Cosmo vyss gets 220 cam and heads installed

[cosmo vyss]

After an eternity of time trying to decide what to do to my ride, I finally made a decision and used the Nike motto " Just Do it"

After reading through countless threads and information here I used the information and purchased these goodies from Speedinc.

Patriot 243 cnc ported heads complete with patriot dual .650 rated valve springs
Head Gakets
ARP head bolts
LS2 timing chain
7.40 hardened pushrods
220/220/112 .581 .581 Comp cam

A big thank you goes out to Fraser for all his help and patience. Can highly recommend SpeedInc for any purchases. Great customer service and advice.

Next step delivered car to Chevs ( Thanks Mustanger for you outstanding taxi service :bow:).

The car was dropped in on Monday afternoon just prior to the new shop opening. Gary and the Chev team went out of the way to get it all completed for me.

Anyway all the gear bolted up nicely and the tune was completed. The car made 286.4rwkw and ran out of injector. There is some more in hopefully with new injectors on the way.

Gary was fantastic and finished off the initial tune on Saturday evening after the big opening day so I could get the car back in time for my recent trip. A great effort on his behalf considering the big day that had proceeded, not to mention all the worries and work with getting the new workshop ready to go.

After putting on 3500 klms in the past two weeks the car has gone great and is a pleasure to drive. There is a few minor touch ups to the tune to be done. The new found power is great and I cannot believe I waited so long to get my finger out and do something. The fuel economy is a bit on the worse side atm but I think thats due to me using the go pedal a bit more often. There is a bit more valvetrain noise and I was a bit concerned about it at first but after reading through a few more threads and listening to a few other cammed cars I think its just the nature of having a bump stick in the car. I have been using 10w-40w royal purple atm and I will change to the catrol 10-60w to see if that helps things. The 220 cam is a ripper and the car is completely transformed. It cruises nice and the torque spread is fantastic.

I now have some 36lbs injectors and a catch to install. The car will be going back to Chevs for these to be fitted and the tune finalised, and a fresh batch of slippery stuff put in. Hopefully I may see 300rwk.....

Once again a big thank you to Chevs and Fraser for all there help and advice and great customer service. I am looking forward to getting the car finished and doing more of the driving stuff.


Current list of mods so far:

Orsome otrcai
Tba 78mm tb
di fillipo 4-1 hpc coated headers
di fillipo cats and cat pipes
di fillipo dual 2 1/2 ss zorst
tex clutch
3.73 diff gears
billet shifter
pbr brake upgrade
harrop diff cover
nolathane bushes and inserts
bilstein suspension and pedders springs
All these completed by Marranos in Sydney. Great workshop and top quality customer service. Car originally tuned by Sonny. The supsion work was done by peddars at Granville - Can highly recommend them.

220 cam
patriot 243 cnc ported heads

Future Mods:

Fit 36lbe injectors
Fit Catch oil catch can
Maybe look at some roller rockers and morel lifters
Bigger brakes

Sorry for the long post

JB

[Dassvnip]

Your ride sounds mcfarken hot matey!!!! i just got mine cammed today love the IDLE!!!! :bow: crank up some pics :)

[ssdamo]

sounds good man any chance of some pics ? mmm ...cosmo, love that colour aswell

[cosmo vyss]

I will post up some pics and dyno sheet soon. Car needs a good clean first.

Cheers

JB

[HRT 8]

Future Mods:

Fit 36lbe injectors
Fit Catch oil catch can
Maybe look at some roller rockers and morel lifters
Bigger brakes


JB

Nice result JB.

Hmmm. Bigger brakes huh. Do you like Harrops??
PM me for a price. ;)

[macca_779]

Nice result JB. I'm watching this with keen interest as your combo is very similar to what I have and will be going for. I've always said that 300rwkw can be attained out of a 220 cam. And I've got no doubts that Garry will be able to get it for you. Great work, lets show the bigger cams what the 220 can do.

[VYMaloo]

Good result I think you will get the 300rwkw although in this day and age of dyno numbers it will upset the experts but as long as your happy thats all that matters, big is best until you get a big number with a small cam lol :), the 10-60 oil will do the trick in shutting up the valvetrain noise .

[MR-GEM]

sounds tuff..heard abit about that workshop before

[JT]

great stuff JB

[macca33]

Sounds like a ripper of a result there JB. I reckon some 7.425" pushrods may see your valvetrain noise reduced a tad.

It'll be good to see your final result - the 220/220 is a great cam!

Cheers,

Macca

[cosmo vyss]

Good result I think you will get the 300rwkw although in this day and age of dyno numbers it will upset the experts but as long as your happy thats all that matters, big is best until you get a big number with a small cam lol :), the 10-60 oil will do the trick in shutting up the valvetrain noise .


Sounds like a ripper of a result there JB. I reckon some 7.425" pushrods may see your valvetrain noise reduced a tad.

It'll be good to see your final result - the 220/220 is a great cam!

Cheers,

Macca

I definately think this cam is the way to go. I am not particulary worried if I don't see 300rwkw. Just amazing the difference it made to the car.
My plan for the valvetrain noise is to try the 10-60w oil first and if that doesn't do it. Then go the roller rockers and then pushods. I think the rockers will help with valve train harmony so to speak. Do you think they would help? I still need to fit UDP and cooler thermostat so with the injectors and these two I think the 300 is very attainable. Although dyno numbers are the be all to end all.

Thanks for the advice guys I appreciate it.

JB

[chev]

Another .025" length on the pushrod might "quieten" up the valve train a little JB. Once we gain full control over the injector at high RPM, we should see more rwkW's.:)

[vyc4b]

Great to meet you Today JB, I love the sound of the SS..........
Have you broken the news to the Missus about the new mods mate? LOL.

As Gary has said, a cam + head car will make a bit more after 5800, especially with the new injectors and the rest of the bolt ons'.
Heres a quick price list of some of the things I ordered mate:

Comp push rods @ 7.425 US$ 119.99
YT Roller Rockers @ 1.7 US$ 399.99
Powerbond UDP/belts AU$ 330.00
UltraCool thermo AU$ 150.00

Cheers, Brian.

[macca_779]

Sounds like a ripper of a result there JB. I reckon some 7.425" pushrods may see your valvetrain noise reduced a tad.

It'll be good to see your final result - the 220/220 is a great cam!

Cheers,

Macca

Macca I gather your running 7.425's in yours. Did you measure your valve clearance to make you go for these or just go off Fraser's recommendations. The reason I ask is that I'm contemplating this might improve my valvetrain noise too. I'm just worried that if I did it I might bleed off cylinder pressure due to to the valve not fully closing. But I'm sure the lifters soak up a bit of it and due to me running quite heavy dual springs I have plenty of pressure closing the valves. I'll have to get around to taking some measurements when she's warm I think.

[cosmo vyss]

I definately think this cam is the way to go. I am not particulary worried if I don't see 300rwkw. Just amazing the difference it made to the car.
My plan for the valvetrain noise is to try the 10-60w oil first and if that doesn't do it. Then go the roller rockers and then pushods. I think the rockers will help with valve train harmony so to speak. Do you think they would help? I still need to fit UDP and cooler thermostat so with the injectors and these two I think the 300 is very attainable. Although dyno numbers are the be all to end all.

Thanks for the advice guys I appreciate it.

JB

Bottom line should read "dyno numbers are not the be all to end all" Although bragging rights are a good thing.


Another .025" length on the pushrod might "quieten" up the valve train a little JB. Once we gain full control over the injector at high RPM, we should see more rwkW's.:)

I am confident there may be couple more in her. I think the pushrods may be the solution.


Great to meet you Today JB, I love the sound of the SS..........
Have you broken the news to the Missus about the new mods mate? LOL.

As Gary has said, a cam + head car will make a bit more after 5800, especially with the new injectors and the rest of the bolt ons'.
Heres a quick price list of some of the things I ordered mate:

Comp push rods @ 7.425 US$ 119.99
YT Roller Rockers @ 1.7 US$ 399.99
Powerbond UDP/belts AU$ 330.00
UltraCool thermo AU$ 150.00

Cheers, Brian.

Thanks for my bill mate..... No haven't told her yet. I think I will just do it on sly LOL.:eyes:

Cheers

JB

[macca33]

Macca I gather your running 7.425's in yours. Did you measure your valve clearance to make you go for these or just go off Fraser's recommendations..................



No mate, I've got ETP215 heads, which have an 11-degree valve angle , compared to LS1 heads having 15-degrees (I think).

My pushrods are 8.10" - on Fraser's recommendation. I am running approx .060" preload on the lifters at the moment, which seems to sit within Cranes'/Comp's respective recommended ranges.

From a lot of reading about combos on the US boards, it seems to be the consensus that 7.425" is the way to go with a cam on LS1/6 heads. In saying that, however, it always pays to check the valvetrain geometry to get the proper set-up.

JB - let me know when you're going back to Chev's - I wouldn't mind coming down for a look-see!

Cheers,

Macca

[TUFFIE]

JB great result there mate, car pulls like a train and sounds just nice. As we all know there is no doubt that chev will make that baby howl like a W...re LOL.
Next Drag day we go to at Heatchote will be very interseting to say the least..:bow:

[mustanger]

Well done JB and you have a great package there alredy:yup: The never ending saga of mods continues :teach:

PS. I think your missus knows about your future mod plans :hide:

[Chappie]

Excellent work JB and congrats to Chev for excellent work on a great package that JB purchased :rofl::rofl::rofl:

Great Rwkw figures and a cammed Ls1 is just awesome well done mate :bow:

Cheers Chappie. :)

[cosmo vyss]

Macca I gather your running 7.425's in yours. Did you measure your valve clearance to make you go for these or just go off Fraser's recommendations. The reason I ask is that I'm contemplating this might improve my valvetrain noise too. I'm just worried that if I did it I might bleed off cylinder pressure due to to the valve not fully closing. But I'm sure the lifters soak up a bit of it and due to me running quite heavy dual springs I have plenty of pressure closing the valves. I'll have to get around to taking some measurements when she's warm I think.

Can you let us know how it goes. I think I will be putting in the larger pushrods to. Valvetrain noise can be frustrating and anything thats makes them run quieter is worth a bit of effort. Its amazing how one mod leads you into another.

JB


Well done JB and you have a great package there alredy:yup: The never ending saga of mods continues :teach:

PS. I think your missus knows about your future mod plans :hide:

:rofl: I hope you are so wrong.....:confused:

[iloveholden]

Sounds very nice mate, got any pics or videos as of yet? :)

[macca_779]

Can you let us know how it goes. I think I will be putting in the larger pushrods to. Valvetrain noise can be frustrating and anything thats makes them run quieter is worth a bit of effort. Its amazing how one mod leads you into another.


I'll let everyone know either way mate but I won't be doing anything till I make my mind up on which way I go regarding heads. Then again these days I'm thinking more and more about going down the Turbo route as I'm really just pissing money away to make small gains (comparably to FI) in N/A form. Staying N/A still attracts me to a degree, but one can't argue with what FI can do.

[Sonnymad]

Jb,

Congrats on ur new cam setup and well done to chev for doing a great job,enjoy :)


regards sonny

[DaveHAT]

Nice one JB ... great combo and well thought out ... FINALLY !!! :D

I only hope Chev realises what he's let himself in for. :lol:

:cheers:

[cosmo vyss]

Nice one JB ... great combo and well thought out ... FINALLY !!! :D

I only hope Chev realises what he's let himself in for. :lol:

:cheers:

Thanks Dave. You always say such nice things about me mate......:rofl:

[Oztrack Tuning]

Good choice Cosmo :)

The pushrod length varies cam to cam with the same heads and gaskets. Quiet valve train is all about correctly measuring preload.

Things have taken a while to catch on that the 220 220 112 since VYMaloo pioneered its use in getting 280rwkw with stock heads, TB, HSV exhaust 2 years ago.

In a M6 with good heads and manifold its got to be capable of over 310rwkw. My 216 220 with 555 lift and 114 made 290rwkw 2 years ago. That was in an A4. If it can do it then the 220 220 with 581 lift should do better.

More 220 news is that the Vortech SC 220 i did a few weeks ago just made 401rwkw from just 7-8psi. Pretty amazing stuff for a cam that is so calm.

[Curtis-R]

JB the car sounds so nice and a great power curve too. Hope ur enjoying the beast :)

[cosmo vyss]

The second round of mods have been completed. Chev and the Team fitted up the 36lbs injectors, oil catch can, 7.425 push rods and 1.7 yt roller rockers. Things didn't go as smoothly as we would have liked as the 1.7 rr didn't fit under the covers properly. We didn't notice it until we started it after putting everything back together and tap tap tap. Shut it down and a quick check of everything revealed the rockers hitting the covers. A quick dash to yella terra to pick up some spacer gaskets and we were back in business.

Gary checked her on the rollers and after some part throttle tuning the real wot tuning began.

After making a few changes and thing the end result was 290rwkw. A run with the otr filter out saw a gain of 5rwkw. Just something interesting to note there.

We thought there would be more in it than that. The car was at 100kpa with 12.5 afr and 26 degree's of timing and that was the best it could do. The dyno number isn't that important anyway. The injectors were under control and I can give it a good run without having to worry about the injectors not keeping up.

There car is great and with a change to the throttle cracker settings and a cold start adjustment should see me a rather happy camper.

The pushrods, rr and the 10-60w oil did seem to quieten the valvetrain somewhat, but it still is a bit on the loud side. Those that have quite valvetrains with high lift cams I would say are very fortunate ppl.

Thanks again to Gary and Rob for there extra effort and patience. They are great guys who go out of there way to make sure you are happy. The beer was a good end to a long day. Cheers guys.

JB

[macca_779]

Great result mate and funnily enough the AFR and Timing Garry has run in yours is pretty much smack bang on what I run in mine (great minds think alike). Its actually a very difficult cam to tune I found when I did mine on the dyno. I found that moving timing around even 1 degree resulted in a 5kw decrease so thats how close getting MBT is on these things (I run 26.5). I also run mine @ 12.6AFR but that's much for muchness really. I would be interested to see what adding 1 degree of timing would do with yours. It would be interesting in that I have a wider LSA than you (113LSA) but you have superior heads. Food for thought anyway. But none the less its great to see the 220 shove it right up the bigger cams. :goodjob:
O BTW did the 7.425 rods make a difference to the valvetrain noise?

[HRT666]

Very nice results sounds like plenty of time has been spent on getting things right, would like to see a few pics though.

[cosmo vyss]

Great result mate and funnily enough the AFR and Timing Garry has run in yours is pretty much smack bang on what I run in mine (great minds think alike). Its actually a very difficult cam to tune I found when I did mine on the dyno. I found that moving timing around even 1 degree resulted in a 5kw decrease so thats how close getting MBT is on these things (I run 26.5). I also run mine @ 12.6AFR but that's much for muchness really. I would be interested to see what adding 1 degree of timing would do with yours. It would be interesting in that I have a wider LSA than you (113LSA) but you have superior heads. Food for thought anyway. But none the less its great to see the 220 shove it right up the bigger cams. :goodjob:
O BTW did the 7.425 rods make a difference to the valvetrain noise?

They helped a bit. Overall the changes did make an improvement. I was hoping it would get alot quieter, but an improvement is good. Having a high lift cam with XER I guess I should have really expected some extra noise.
It would be intersting to how others are going with valvetrain noise with this cam.

[macca33]

Very nice result there JB - Chev has stepped up yet again with the gun tuning and of course, Big Rob did well on the spanners! 290rwkw out of Chev's new dyno is a great result on this lower-than-usual duration cam...well done!

I'm glad your valvetrain noise has reduced a tad, so you have moved forwards in that regard also.

The XE-R lobes are very aggressive off-the-seat and up to .050", so that is the reason for the noise. I'm just lucky with mine, is it quieter with the cam I have in it now, than it was with the very mild XE-lobes of the 222/224.

It was great to catch up the other day and I'll look forward to seeing the finished product in the future. Enjoy it.

Cheers,

Macca

[VYMaloo]

Nice result JB , I reckon you could lean on it with a bit more timing and get some more grunt , you know you want to .

[cosmo vyss]

Nice result JB , I reckon you could lean on it with a bit more timing and get some more grunt , you know you want to .

We would all love more grunt. No point leaning on it and throwing silly amounts of timing in it for a few rwkw.

JB

[cosmo vyss]

I finally got off my but and took some pictures. They are not the best pictures, but its better than nothing.

http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd343/cosmovyss/the%20car/P8030004.jpg

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http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd343/cosmovyss/the%20car/brakes.jpg

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[mustanger]

Looking good there JB :cheers:

[cosmo vyss]

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http://i530.photobucket.com/albums/dd343/cosmovyss/the%20car/backseat.jpg

[vyc4b]

Great work JB,
Jesus you didn't muck around with the latest mods mate.....lol
Thats a great amount of power you have, I look forward to catching up at Chevs shortly mate..........

p.s: if you want to neaten up the edges of your shroud, head down to Clarkes Rubber and ask for some Pinch Weld-size/called "little black Torana", get the stuff with metal inside.

Cheers, Brian.

[S2VYSS]

Great results from the cam mate and the car looks stock as, great sleeper

Did you have to modify the top of your radiator to fit that OTR?

[cosmo vyss]

Great work JB,
Jesus you didn't muck around with the latest mods mate.....lol
Thats a great amount of power you have, I look forward to catching up at Chevs shortly mate..........

p.s: if you want to neaten up the edges of your shroud, head down to Clarkes Rubber and ask for some Pinch Weld-size/called "little black Torana", get the stuff with metal inside.

Cheers, Brian.

Thanks for the tip. It looks like a trip to clarke rubber for me then. I will have to stop talking to you because you just keep giving me new mod ideas.......
I didn't think it would take to long b4 a new clutch was needed. :) Might see you next week sometime.


Great results from the cam mate and the car looks stock as, great sleeper

Did you have to modify the top of your radiator to fit that OTR?

No mods to radiator to make it fit. The plastic shroud needs to be cut out though. The otr is a orsomme one. I got this one from Marrano's.
Being in Melbourne I would say you could probably pick one up from Chevs.
Cheers

JB

[S2VYSS]

I knew that the shroud needs to be cut, thanks for the info mate

[macca33]

The rig is looking grouse JB - enjoy it! :goodjob:

Cheers,

Macca