good learners bike?

[VT_Lance]

thinking of getting bike license and wondering whats a good bike to start off with good looks and a good ride any thoughts?

[BLACKWAGON]

Pick a budget, then sports,touring,enduro, after that everyone willknow exactly what to recommend.

[VT_Lance]

budget i guess like 4-5k and less more a sporty one i guess what would be dif between the 3?

[BLACKWAGON]

sports in a 250 would be like a cbr 250, low bars so ur leaning forward.
Touring is alot more of an upright position road bike with bars higher up or even straight.
Enduro is a dirt bike regoed for road use.
CBR 250 would be good, right budget ad plenty of them around. Also most seem to hold their value, cousin sold his for the same price 1 year later.
They also look good and go pretty hard for the size of em.

[T2000]

Look my suggestion may seem a little "out of left field" BUT:

Most learner legal bikes are 250cc. Easy to ride and economical.. BUT are quickly outgrown.

If you have any experience on Motorcycles I would recommend something which you can enjoy beyond your "L" and "P" licence.

A friend of mine purchased a Hyosung (it is the Hyundai of the motorcycle world)... he is as happy as a pig in $hit.

I realise it is a little out of your budget (if purchased NEW)... but if you can stretch it.

This is potentially a cycle that you would be proud to own and can enjoy for 3 to 4 years... by which time you will want to strap an ACME rocket to your crutch.--> Wiley Coyote style.

This bike comes "restricted" so that it is learner legal... and of course can be "un-restricted" when your skills and license are ready !:)

And for a Hy___ I reckon it looks great.
Colours Available : Mango Yellow, Hot Chili Red, Titanium Silver, 8-Ball Black

Maybe see if there are any to be had second hand?
Might need to check that they are Learner legal in ACT also. Definately OK in NSW

Hope this helps.

Good Luck


http://www.hyosung.com.au/Media/images/GT650R-header-image-02-4f90417f-27b3-4d1c-a9b2-789638e6c7bd.jpg

[storm vy]

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Personally i don't like the hyosung's, but thats just my opinion. I sold my cbr rr a few months ago, and i couldn't have been happier with it. It was from sumoto in melbourne. they put the sharper fearings(spelling?) on it instead of the old round lights etc. they will also paint it in your design if you like (included in price) You also get a helmet, gloves and free delivery outside of vic. It was the best looking 250 i could find $8000 but worth it i think.

[Knawful]

If you've never ridden a road bike before, get a Yamaha Virago 250cc or any <400cc trailbike.
If you have, then i'd go an RD/RZ 250, or Aprillia RS250..something with some sting.

Dont buy a sports bike if you havent ridden on the road before, you will only scare yourself which will impede the learning curve.

2-smoke or 4-stroke?
2 strokes are no good for touring/long distances at constant throttle speed's (ie:100km/h for an hour) and need rebuilding every 3-6 mths...Built for track work/round town.
4-strokes go all day, and only really need valve clearances checked periodicaly.

[VT_Lance]

never ridden a road bike so yea or any bike since i crashed into my fence on one when i was like 8

and thanks for your info and suggestions will look into them all. got like a year to look around no rush

and im NSW just everytihng i do is in act since im 5 mins away from it

also a 20 year old with 1 speeding fine and talkin on phone fine what kind of insurance would i be looking at for a bike like the Hyosung gt250r?

[worldofhurt]

id get a road/trail bike if you arent a confident rider because you most probably will crash it at some stage and anything with fairings will cost a lot more to repair than a dirt squirter

[LCTorry]

ZZR250 is also a good bike. The only problem with it is the turning circle is not the best. But You can do it in the test. You just need to practice on it. :)

[T2000]

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http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll226/stormvy/31032007007.jpg

Thats a real nice bike mate. Looks Schmick!:)




also a 20 year old with 1 speeding fine and talkin on phone fine what kind of insurance would i be looking at for a bike like the Hyosung gt250r?

Don't know how your history will affect your insurance premiums. Best to ring some insurance companies and get some quotes.

Hyosung gt250r? Nah go the 650... That was my point, you can get it in Restricted Learner Legal setup... then upgrade it to full spec when you are ready for $tuff all.


id get a road/trail bike if you arent a confident rider because you most probably will crash it at some stage and anything with fairings will cost a lot more to repair than a dirt squirter

This is a fair and wise comment. Gravel rash is a fact of life when you are learning. Either get some practice first or be prepared to drop your new pride and joy. :bawl:

Chris
(20 years of road riding & still upright)

[RiggsSS]

What ever bike you get it's going to be transitional so its about spending as little as possible on a bike to get through to your full license.

4 Stokes; ZZR250, FZR250, Across (Suzuki), CBR (over priced imo) are all ok and will get you by. I dont personally like the Chinese bikes.
2 Strokes; RZ, KR1, RGV (if you can find them), :bow: Aprilia (if you can afford it) are all fun bikes but high maintenance.

I spent $1600 on a RZ250 as my first roady, required some maintenace being 2stroke, but went well for a 250 though and I'm not a small bloke either.

Things not to skimp on: Helmet (cheaper is not better, just think, what is your head worth), boots, gloves, pants and a good jacket.

Other than that welcome to the club, and a step down in the food chain...:eyes:

[1969ollie]

Get a road /trail and learn to ride off road first it hurts a lot less crashing in the bush than on the road the dirt skills you gain will help when you hit the road

[VT_Lance]

so leaners can 100% get a 650 restricted bike ? so most likely get one of those

and i wouldnt go cheap on the gear i like my head(as ugly it is) how it is and the rest of my skin

[T2000]

so leaners can 100% get a 650 restricted bike ? so most likely get one of those

and i wouldnt go cheap on the gear i like my head(as ugly it is) how it is and the rest of my skin

Yes mate that 650 is "LAM" approved :)
Browse the list and have a look at what is available new & secondhand. You might find something else you like.

This info came from here:

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/tests/motorcycleridertrainingscheme/motorcyclesnoviceriders.html

List:

Approved motorcycles for novice riders

Revised 20/05/2008

As from 6 September 2002 a Learner Approved Motorcycle (LAM) scheme for novice riders (both learner and provisional) will commence on a trial basis. The LAM scheme will allow novice riders to ride moderately powered motorcycles with an engine capacity up to and including 660ml and which do not exceed a power to weight ratio of 150 kilowatts per tonne and are shown on this list. The following list, which will be adjusted as new models are approved by the RTA, displays details of all motorcycles that can be ridden by learner and provisional riders.


http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/images/spacer.gif http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/images/spacer.gif Note:
It is your responsibility to make sure that you are riding an approved motorcycle. If you are a learner or provisional rider you must not ride a motorcycle that is not shown on this list.

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/images/spacer.gif http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/images/spacer.gif
Eligible Motorcycles in the category 0-260ml. All models with the exception of: Suzuki RGV250 Kawasaki KR250 (KR-1 and KR1s models) Honda NSR250 Yamaha TZR250 Aprila RS250
Eligible Motorcycles in the category 261 - 660ml AJS MODEL 18
MODEL 30 APRILA MOTO 6.5
PEGASO 650
PEGASO 650 I.E.
RXV 450
RXV 550
SXV 450
SXV 550 ARIEL HUNTMASTER
RED HUNTER 350
RED HUNTER 500 BENELLI Velvet 400 BLTACO SHERPA BMW F650
F650CS
F650GD
F650GS
F650ST
R50
R60
R60/5
R60/6
R65
R69 BSA B33
B50SS GOLDSTAR
EMPIRESTAR
GOLD STAR
GOLDEN FLASH
LIGHTNING
SPITFIRE MKIII
THUNDERBOLT
CAGIVA 410TE
610TE
610TE-E
CANYON 500
CANYON 600
RIVER 600
W16 600 COSSACK 650 DNEPER K650 DOUG 350 DUCATI 400 SS JUNIOR
DM450
DM500
M620ie (24kw LITE)
SL 500 PANTAH
SL 600 PANTAH ENFIELD BULLET DELUXE
BULLET ELECTRA
BULLET 65
BULLET CLASSIC
TAURUS GASGAS EC300
EC400
FSE450
FSE500
FSE400
Pamera450
SM400
SUPERMOTARD
GILERA NEXUS **
FUOCO **
HARLEY SS350 HONDA 600V TRANSALP
BROS
CB350
CB350F
CB400
CB400F
CB400N
CB400T
CB500
CB650
CRF450
CX500
NT650v DEAUVILLE
NX650
FT500
REVERE
RVF400
SHADOW
SILVERWING
SL350
VF400F
VT500
VT600C
XBR500
XL350
XL500
XL600
XL650 vTRANSALP
XR350
XR350R
XR400M
XR400R
XR500
XR600
XR600R
XR650L HUSABERG FE(ENDURO)4E8
FE(ENDURO)5E8
FE(ENDURO)7E8
FE400
FE450
FE501
FE550
FE600
FE650
FS450
FS650 HUSQVANA 350TE
400TE
410TE
430WR
510TE
610TE
610TE-E
SM450ie **
SM450R
SM510ie **
SM510R
SM 610 **
TE450ie **
TE510ie **
TE610 ** HYOSUNG COMET GT650L
GV650L
GT650SL
GT650RL INDIAN 741 STOUT IZH Jupiter 350 JAWA 350 KAWASAKI EN450
ER500A
ER500C
EX400
EX500A
KL600
KL650A
KL650B
KL650C
KL650E
KLE500A
KLR 650
KLX300B
KLX400B
KLX450A
KLX650B
KLX650C
KZ400
KZ440
KZ500
KZ550
LTD440
Z600A
Z650B
ZR550B
Z500 KTM 625 SMC
660 SMC
EXC450
EXC SERIES 300
EXC SERIES 360
EXC SERIES 380
EXC SERIES 400
EXC SERIES 510
EXC SERIES 525
GS SERIES 300
GS SERIES 400
GS SERIES 450
GS SERIES 500
GS SERIES 550
GS SERIES 600
LC4 SERIES 300
LC4 SERIES 400
LC4 SERIES 500
LC4 SERIES 540
LC4 SERIES 550
LC4 SERIES 600
LC4 SERIES 625
LC4 SERIES 650 LAVERDA 500 MAICO 500 MATCHLESS 600
650
G80 MAJOR MONTESSA COTA MORINI 350 SPORT
500 STRADA
500W MOTO GUZZI V35
V50
V65 MUZ BAGHIRA 660
SCORPION REPLICA
SKORPION SPORT
SKORPION TOUR MVAUGUSTA 350 MZ ETZ250 NORTON 50
DOMINATOR
ES2
MODEL 88 PANTHER 600
650 PEUGEOT
Geopolis 400cc
Satelis 500cc PIAGGIO MP3 400 **
X9 500 **
XEVO 400 ** RICKMAN 650 ROYAL ENFIELD 650
Bullet 500
Lightning 500
Bullet 350
Diesel 324 RUDGEWHITHWORTH 650
Ulster SUZUKI AN400
AN650
DR350
DR350S
DR500
DR600R
DR650R
DR650RE
DR650RL
DR650RSL
DR650SE
DR-Z400E
GR650
GS450E
GS450S
GS450SX
GS500
GS500E
GS500K
GS550
GSX400E
GSX400F
LS650
RE5
XF650 TM 300 ENDURO
TM300
TM400 TRIUMPH BONNEVILLE 650
SPEEDTWIN
T100 TIGER
T100R DAYTONA 500
THUNDERBIRD 650
TROPHY 500
TROPHY 650
TRW25 URAL 650 VELOCETTE MAC 350
MSS 500
VENOM VOR 400 ENDURO
450 ENDURO
500 ENDURO
530 ENDURO YAMAHA RD400
RT350
SR500
SRX600
SZR660
TT350
TT600
TT600E
TT600R
TX650
WR400F
WR426F
WR450
XJ550
XJ650
XJR400
XP500
XS400
XS650
XT225
XT350
XT500
XT550
XT600
XT660R
XT660X
XTZ660
XV535
XVS650
XVS650A
XZ550
YP 400

Sorry about the formatting... the cut and paste didn't work too well.

Oh well... you get the idea... CHeck the RTA site for updates.

[KeenGolfer]

so leaners can 100% get a 650 restricted bike ? so most likely get one of those

I'm pretty sure the ACT don't allow restrictor plates for bikes, as a mate wanted to do this but they told him no. Some states do however.

[T2000]

I'm pretty sure the ACT don't allow restrictor plates for bikes, as a mate wanted to do this but they told him no. Some states do however.



and im NSW just everytihng i do is in act since im 5 mins away from it

Pretty sure he's NSW resident, NSW license.:)

[VT_Lance]

thank you looked at that few months ago every single one i put thru google looked like sh!t but this gt650r looks great

looked at insurance for me on nrma website it saying 5,8xxgrand for comprehensive insurance a year for a bike worth about 8k

[T2000]

thank you looked at that few months ago every single one i put thru google looked like sh!t but this gt650r looks great

looked at insurance for me on nrma website it saying 5,8xxgrand for comprehensive insurance a year for a bike worth about 8k

Yeah no worries Lance.

The gt650r looks good in the flesh too. It's no Ducati or Hayabusa ... but for the price and learner legal, I reckon it is awesome.

Insurance has always been a joke on m'cycles.

Generally if you only write-off an un-insured bike every 2 to 3 years you are still in front vs insuring the same bike over the same period of time:confused:

That is until your driving record and grey hair makes things cheaper:)

Test Ride Everything you can get your hands on.

You will soon learn what type of bike and what model is right for you.


Good Luck.

[tiga_mica_vu_ss]

kawasaki ninja ZX2R i learnt on it, great power 4 a 250 and legal

[RiggsSS]

Just a tip, if you are looking for gear, try everything on. Helmet must be tight and without feeling presure anywhere. Gloves shouldn't be to tight or loose at finger tips. And dont be scared to buy oversees.... Got love the Aussie dollar at the moment.


Just found this site, might be helpful...ww.insuremyride.com.au

[VT_Lance]

Yeah no worries Lance.

The gt650r looks good in the flesh too. It's no Ducati or Hayabusa ... but for the price and learner legal, I reckon it is awesome.

Insurance has always been a joke on m'cycles.

Generally if you only write-off an un-insured bike every 2 to 3 years you are still in front vs insuring the same bike over the same period of time:confused:

That is until your driving record and grey hair makes things cheaper:)

Test Ride Everything you can get your hands on.

You will soon learn what type of bike and what model is right for you.


Good Luck.

yea mate of mine just got a bike gonna try and get ride of his and mate of his is a bike freak so should be able to get bit advise from him as well as you guys

[KeenGolfer]

I'm booked to do the L course in a few weeks so I found the comments re insurance interesting as I haven't looked in to that side of things yet.

I did a comprehensive insurance quote on www.insuremyride.com.au for a 2002 Aprilia R125 and it was only $250 p.a. I just plucked a bike out of the air, not sure what I will get yet. Brand new Hyosung 250cc was $295 p.a.

[ganaZ]

spend cheap coz once ur off ur L's... gonna want something with more balls...
go to bikesales.com.au and find a cheap-o one there...

[T2000]

I'm booked to do the L course in a few weeks so I found the comments re insurance interesting as I haven't looked in to that side of things yet.

I did a comprehensive insurance quote on www.insuremyride.com.au (http://www.insuremyride.com.au) for a 2002 Aprilia R125 and it was only $250 p.a. I just plucked a bike out of the air, not sure what I will get yet. Brand new Hyosung 250cc was $295 p.a.

You can teach an old dog new tricks... I just checked out: www.insuremyride.com.au (http://www.insuremyride.com.au/)
and looks like insurance has definately got cheaper... thanks for the heads up:bow:

So if you have a new bike... and definately if you have a bike under finance. Get insurance (and I have never had a quote cheaper than www.insuremyride.com.au (http://www.insuremyride.com.au/) )

I just checked a couple of bikes...

And for a 1995 ZZR1100.... $393 for $7600 cover ($400 excess)
That is a bargain:eyes:

Good luck with your "upright" course.

Cheers

[Grommz]

Honda VTR 250 :)

[kpop]

Hyosung gt250r? Nah go the 650... That was my point, you can get it in Restricted Learner Legal setup... then upgrade it to full spec when you are ready for $tuff all.


what does upgrading to a full spec intail - just drop in a new engine + tune ? the hyosungs do look very nice in person, they sound a bit piss weak, but definatly look the part. also the old cbr250rr with the upgraded fairings make them look very modern

[T2000]

what does upgrading to a full spec intail - just drop in a new engine + tune ? the hyosungs do look very nice in person, they sound a bit piss weak, but definatly look the part. also the old cbr250rr with the upgraded fairings make them look very modern
The information that I was given suggests that "un-restricting" is a matter of removing a limiting plate from either/ or both the inlet and the exhaust. 30 min job, no cost if DIY. Talk to dealer though for more info...

[craig2510]

I think you should dodge road/trail bikes.. no good on road and mediocre offroad.
For the road the suspension/brakes and tyres are very average on road trail. Gumby riding position for going at a decent speed (mind you 250 wont be that quick).
I also use insure my ride for insurance nice and cheap.. haven't made a claim yet so don't know if its a matter of getting what you paid for.
Wouldn't spend too much on a 250 as you will outgrow it quickly and be upgrading as soon as you can Good part is that the 250's seem to have reasonable resale, but like buying a car , no point buying new if you are only going to keep it for 12 months.
Like others have said get yourself a good quality helmet , jacket etc.

[storm vy]

if you do get a road/trail bike you will be able to get a 450 which will have more than enough power for someone who hasn't ridden before

[VT_Lance]

well ive got plenty on time to decide lost my car licence and dont think i can get bike licence till mine car is unsuspended

but again thanks for all your info guys

my mate bought a Kawasaki ZZR250 for $7500 are few months ago and is that too much for that much cc and are they alright bikes?

[OzJavelin]

Learners bike which will actually sustain 110km/h for long periods? I'm thinking of the biggest V-twin (torque?) I can get. Any ideas?

[T2000]

well ive got plenty on time to decide lost my car licence and dont think i can get bike licence till mine car is unsuspended

but again thanks for all your info guys

my mate bought a Kawasaki ZZR250 for $7500 are few months ago and is that too much for that much cc and are they alright bikes?

Stepped my wife onto a GPX250 after a couple of months on a GS125 (had to step her up slowly). GPX250 & ZZR250 are mechanically very similar.
Great bikes, I've always liked the Kawasaki's i've owned.
BUT personally I think $7,500 is way too much for something that you will outgrow in 12 to 18 months.
That's the problem with the LAM laws. Your locked into buying a "lightweight" "low performance" cycle. Which inevitably becomes something that you cant enjoy long term.
Which is why I felt that if you have the cash get a larger bike that is LAM legal and can later be "unrestricted"

Instead of buying something with a < 2 year life span realistically you will probably get closer to 4 years. IMHO:teach:

Sorry to hear you've lost your license. Might still be an opportunity to learn though... if you know someone on a property, with a trail bike. Do some scrub bashing, better off to get your first scars from the scrub and not the road. ;)


Learners bike which will actually sustain 110km/h for long periods? I'm thinking of the biggest V-twin (torque?) I can get. Any ideas?
Anything on the list that is 250cc (or more) and is a 4 stroke.
Even the wifes old GS125 would hold 110km/h.:)
110km/h for a 4 stroke road bike is no probs...regardless of number of cylinders or piston configuration.

[VT_Lance]

Stepped my wife onto a GPX250 after a couple of months on a GS125 (had to step her up slowly). GPX250 & ZZR250 are mechanically very similar.
Great bikes, I've always liked the Kawasaki's i've owned.
BUT personally I think $7,500 is way too much for something that you will outgrow in 12 to 18 months.
That's the problem with the LAM laws. Your locked into buying a "lightweight" "low performance" cycle. Which inevitably becomes something that you cant enjoy long term.
Which is why I felt that if you have the cash get a larger bike that is LAM legal and can later be "unrestricted"

Instead of buying something with a < 2 year life span realistically you will probably get closer to 4 years. IMHO:teach:

Sorry to hear you've lost your license. Might still be an opportunity to learn though... if you know someone on a property, with a trail bike. Do some scrub bashing, better off to get your first scars from the scrub and not the road. ;)



agreed but dont know anyone with a property which sucks

when ya go for your L's for bike do you do a riding test or computer like L's for car?

[T2000]

agreed but dont know anyone with a property which sucks

when ya go for your L's for bike do you do a riding test or computer like L's for car?
RTA website:
"Compulsory motorcycle rider training is in place across NSW. In areas with a training centre, people who want a motorcycle licence must satisfactorily complete prelearner training before a learner licence will be issued. Go to the motorcyle page for details of the licensing system for riders."


Motorcycle Rider Training Scheme

Before obtaining a motorcycle rider licence, you must successfully complete the Motorcycle Rider Training Scheme. This scheme is designed to help people gain basic riding skills before riding on the road.
The training and testing is provided at training centres, located across metropolitan and country areas. There is a full list of training centres on this website or call the RTA on 13 22 13 for your nearest centre.
There are two levels of training - pre-learner and pre-provisional. Both levels involve on-road and off-road training.

http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/images/spacer.gif
http://www.rta.nsw.gov.au/licensing/gettingalicence/motorcycle/index.html

[VT LS1]

You can teach an old dog new tricks... I just checked out: www.insuremyride.com.au (http://www.insuremyride.com.au/)
and looks like insurance has definately got cheaper... thanks for the heads up:bow:

So if you have a new bike... and definately if you have a bike under finance. Get insurance (and I have never had a quote cheaper than www.insuremyride.com.au (http://www.insuremyride.com.au/) )

I just checked a couple of bikes...

And for a 1995 ZZR1100.... $393 for $7600 cover ($400 excess)
That is a bargain:eyes:

Good luck with your "upright" course.

Cheers

I pay around $350 for an 04 CBR1100XX insured for $12500 with QBE

[The Nurse]

Learners bike which will actually sustain 110km/h for long periods? I'm thinking of the biggest V-twin (torque?) I can get. Any ideas?

I just bought a 2005 Ducati Monster 620, first bike. Absolutely great to ride, plenty of power/torque even with the restrictor fitted. The only downside is that seeing that Ducati discontinued it at the end of 2006, they are hard to find and people want lots on money for them

[wikky]

The information that I was given suggests that "un-restricting" is a matter of removing a limiting plate from either/ or both the inlet and the exhaust. 30 min job, no cost if DIY. Talk to dealer though for more info...

All that's involved with de-restricting the Hyosung is moving the clip in the carb. Super easy job.

[nathan383]

No point getting a small bike mate you'll want more power in about 5 mins.
My first road bike was an 98 R1 last of the carbies was a great bike lots and lots of power just didn't go around corners like the bikes do these days
My second bike was a 03/4 ZX9R ninja that was a great bike felt really safe on it nice sized tank more than enough power, think I got around to 270kms down the strait at PI was a blast really hanging to do it again. The key to having a 750 or 1000 is throtle control, if ya a spanner and crack it open all the time your gona come off and be very sore or if ya unlucky kill someone else or youtself. Might get a quick session there before I sell it.
As you can probably see on the forum my CBR1000 is up for sale and it is scmick.
(BLACK) Perelli Corsa tyres 450kms (Brand New)
give us a call if ya keen it will be the best choice you have ever made.

[nang3]

Come on WA DPI bring in the LAMS list of over 250 bikes still approved for R-E class !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
all i want is a WR450 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! make it so mofos !!!!!!!!!

[wooly72]

I just bought a Suzuki TU250 to learn on. its been great so far.

[KeenGolfer]

Does anyone have any opinions on the Suzuki GS500 or GS500F? They are learner legal in ACT/NSW. My thoughts are it will take longer to outgrow a 500 than a 250 so should do me for at least a couple of years while I'm learning.

http://www.suzukimotorcycles.com.au/modeldetail.php?intBikeID=230
http://www.suzukimotorcycles.com.au/modeldetail.php?intBikeID=229

[A^K^T]

Does anyone have any opinions on the Suzuki GS500 or GS500F? They are learner legal in ACT/NSW. My thoughts are it will take longer to outgrow a 500 than a 250 so should do me for at least a couple of years while I'm learning.

http://www.suzukimotorcycles.com.au/modeldetail.php?intBikeID=230
http://www.suzukimotorcycles.com.au/modeldetail.php?intBikeID=229

If the spec's are about the same i would go for the GS650S , the faring would probably make it a better bike for longer rides where the speed limit is 100 - 110 kph .

I think the LAMS system you have over there is great , i remember my first bike , a 91 XV250 VIRAGO . It was ok for puttering around the city but i made the mistake of trying to ride it a few hundred k's south , it had bugger all left when doing the country speed limit (started to run out of puff at 80kph) so overtaking was best avoided .

The XT250 Yamaha road trail i had would top out at about 135 kph (not on a public road of course) but still felt like it was working at 100kph . The upright riding position on that was great for city or suburban riding but got a bit tiresome for any period of time at 100kph .

[KeenGolfer]

Bit the bullet and today bought a black Suzuki GS500F after a test ride. Pick it up tomorrow arvo.

[seedyrom]

http://www.elitechoice.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/biggest_motorcycle.jpg

Surely this would be more appropriate for someone of your stature Drew?

[KeenGolfer]

LOL, you're a funny man seedy :)

[aw55um]

Might be a stupid question but im getting my licence soon, i really want a 620 Monster and im pretty sure they have to be restricted. So how and where do you get it restricted?

[duke5700]

you buy the lite version of the bike. come restricted.

[funkshen]

theres a few ninja250r''s for around the 5k mark now, great learners bike, looks bigger than what it is

[Penko]

Might be a stupid question but im getting my licence soon, i really want a 620 Monster and im pretty sure they have to be restricted. So how and where do you get it restricted?

Mate has a monster 620 great bike. has it unrestricted and wow does it go.