VE Lowering (Options)

[chook]

Guys, after opinions from those that have done this.
I have spent many an hour trolling through the forums and am probably more confused than ever.

Now obviously the best option is to probably go the tiens Coil over route but then I read that some think the tiens are a tad soft and of course the expense is fairly high too. My other option of course is to go the King SL route with standard length shocks. (From my understanding, there are still no shorter shocks available for the VE) .But I have also read that his can make the back end somewhat bouncy as the shock isn't operating in it's optimum area.

Basically I want the damm thing to handle .

What is best bang for the bucks?

[Wonky]

I'm running Kings SSL with standard shocks and must admit I wouldn't want to push it too hard on bouncy corners. By coincidence I emailed the place I get all my suspension stuff from last week and asked whether anybody had decent short body shocks yet. He apparently rang his usual suppliers (KYB, Boge etc) and said still none yet.

I did however hear a while back that Pedders should have some very soon, which should mean by now. Does anybody know if they have them yet? Like the OP I can't afford coilovers.

[wp01]

We have a 'short body' strut and rear shock package in our Supercharged LS3 R8 at the moment with our 22" wheel and tyre pack as well. And all reports are that they are very compliant even with the 22's !

Some more track work will be done to determine if higher spring rates are required. Keep an eye on our 'New Products' section and the web site for release dates..

AL

[Wonky]

We have a 'short body' strut and rear shock package in our Supercharged LS3 R8 at the moment with our 22" wheel and tyre pack as well. And all reports are that they are very compliant even with the 22's !

Some more track work will be done to determine if higher spring rates are required. Keep an eye on our 'New Products' section and the web site for release dates..

AL

:yahoo: :D

[chook]

Come on guys surely not everyone is running standard height?

[Mr_SS-V]

go coilovers.. you wont regret it

pm for info

[brock05]

Wonky, in SC magazine they had the short stroke Pedders shocks advertised as being available.

Cheers
Brad

[HEXEM]

I did however hear a while back that Pedders should have some very soon, which should mean by now. Does anybody know if they have them yet? Like the OP I can't afford coilovers.

Are these the ones your talking about?

http://www.pedders.com.au/tradeNews/?search=ve+commodore

[VE hsv maloo]

Are the HSV shocks shorter travel? would King modified bump stops make a difference?

[Wonky]

Wonky, in SC magazine they had the short stroke Pedders shocks advertised as being available.

Cheers
Brad

Thanks Brad. My daughter's boyfriend often gets SC so I'll check.


Are these the ones your talking about?

http://www.pedders.com.au/tradeNews/?search=ve+commodore

I downloaded the brochure and it never mentions short body shocks, only that they are GSR Sports Ryder shocks. Given I don't know the details on them that may or may not imply short body...... :confused:

Must admit that Pedders' prices usually :shock: me so I'll be very surprised if these are even half reasonably priced. :(

[CV860L]

If you are going to the trouble and expense of shorter shocks, make the effort and go montube, i.e Bilsteins, De Carbon or certain Koni's.....A lot of the other "so called awesome" shocks mentioned on this site are twin tubes, and even though they may ride ok, they still fail in comparison to the monotube stuff. Some Boge's are monotube also.

I fitted SSL kings to my SS-V ute through Wholesale Suspension @ Penrith and am really impressed (factory shocks), I wasn't really after handling just wanted to drop it from standard ride height, and the over all ride, handling and compliance is great!!!

Cheers.

[Wonky]

Are the HSV shocks shorter travel? would King modified bump stops make a difference?

I think the non MRC shocks are same length as in SS/SSV etc, though am not 100% sure. I have shorter/softer bump stops in the rear of mine and along with a couple of other small mods made while they were being fitted they eliminated the thump I used to get in the rear.

[Wonky]

The place who did my lowering etc contacted Pedders the other day and was told that apparently they are still working on short body shocks for VE, not released yet. He did get me a price on their normal shocks for VE and as usual it reduced me to tears :bawl: - of laughter :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: Happens every time I go to Pedders or get prices on their shocks and/or springs. It's like - you're kidding me aren't you??!! :shock:

[HOLDAN]

I'm running Kings SSL with standard shocks and must admit I wouldn't want to push it too hard on bouncy corners. By coincidence I emailed the place I get all my suspension stuff from last week and asked whether anybody had decent short body shocks yet. He apparently rang his usual suppliers (KYB, Boge etc) and said still none yet.

I did however hear a while back that Pedders should have some very soon, which should mean by now. Does anybody know if they have them yet? Like the OP I can't afford coilovers.

Pedders have them now - I was in there a few weeks ago trying to sort out the bounce-while-cornering issue. Recommended the new shocks. I will wait for the stock ones to get a bit more work and then change over.

[Brandonsdad]

Pedders have them now - I was in there a few weeks ago trying to sort out the bounce-while-cornering issue. Recommended the new shocks. I will wait for the stock ones to get a bit more work and then change over.

I rang Pedders last week and was told that they only have shocks to suit standard and not a lowered SS. I specifically remember because I said, "so you sell the lowered coils, but not the lowered shocks, whats the point of that"? He said, oh well it takes a while for them to do them and not many people have VE's yet. :weirdo:

[boyley]

Chook, check out Wholesale suspensions forum. I went the king spring option also, 40 mm lowered. Sits nice handles great guns.

[CSP]

Just spoke to Luke from Wholesale Suspension... What a TOP BLOKE!!!


Explained everything to me. Going to get the Tein coilovers + front and rear bushes for the best price I've seen or heard of anywhere - drive in, drive out

Day trip to Sydney is straight forward enough too...

Basically if you want to maintain performance (i.e. for spirited driving and track days etc) Teins are really the best way to go. Hell people with GTS' are ripping out the MRC and putting in Tein coilover kits! So that says a lot. Lowered springs, while a lot cheaper, are really only intended on improving the look of the car. Tein coilovers improve the look AND enhance the suspension performance. So if you can afford it, why not?

[GB58]

Chook,
Monroe in conjunction with King Springs have been working on a Shortened Body Shock. If you go to King Springs web site gallery there is a VE SS that has them fitted. This is my car and I can report that I am very happy with the product. I was lucky enough to know a person at King Springs and was offered to have a prototype set fitted to my car. I have been told that they will be on the market in the next month or so.

regards

GB

[Wonky]

Chook,
Monroe in conjunction with King Springs have been working on a Shortened Body Shock. If you go to King Springs web site gallery there is a VE SS that has them fitted. This is my car and I can report that I am very happy with the product. I was lucky enough to know a person at King Springs and was offered to have a prototype set fitted to my car. I have been told that they will be on the market in the next month or so.

regards

GB

:yahoo: :bow: :bow: :bow:

[Brandonsdad]

Chook,
Monroe in conjunction with King Springs have been working on a Shortened Body Shock. If you go to King Springs web site gallery there is a VE SS that has them fitted. This is my car and I can report that I am very happy with the product. I was lucky enough to know a person at King Springs and was offered to have a prototype set fitted to my car. I have been told that they will be on the market in the next month or so.

regards

GB

I just got told they will be out in the second week of August.:smilesandbanana:

Can a group buy get organised as Im sure there are heaps of people that will want them. Maybe your contact at King Springs can do a good price.:1peek:

[GB58]

vess 60

The person to talk to at King Springs is Michael Whitmore. He is the sales manager. Spoke to him and he said give him a call next week on 07.5539.6700

regards

Gary
GB58

[neb]

gb58, did you just have the king springs fitted first up, then went for the shortened shocks? how much lower did your car drop with the shocks?

ben

[Brandonsdad]

vess 60

The person to talk to at King Springs is Michael Whitmore. He is the sales manager. Spoke to him and he said give him a call next week on 07.5539.6700

regards

Gary
GB58

Kris Tarrant from Kings sent me an email today.

How can we set up a list of everyone that wants a set?

[Roonstain]

hey, how far do you reckon this combo would drop the car
and does anyone have a ballpark figure??

[Wonky]

Kris Tarrant from Kings sent me an email today.

How can we set up a list of everyone that wants a set?

Depending on how the price compares to my usual supplier (and it should be lower as he has to buy from Kings) count me in please! :yup:

Actually, missed the Monroes bit earlier - was surprised Kings had gone into shockers too! :doh: Will teach me not to skim read...... Probably explains why Pedders have them coming soon too if the old rumour about Pedders being rebranded Monroes is true.

[Brandonsdad]

hey, how far do you reckon this combo would drop the car
and does anyone have a ballpark figure??

Depends what springs you put in. If Kings then SSL would probably be the best. I think that the SSSL, although it would look shit hot, it might be a bit too low and handling may suffer along with scraping everything and maybe bottoming out.
I guess you could also have the Pedders Sports Ryder as well, or whatever other brand people may already have in.
For me, being back to standard now, I would go King Springs SSL and the Shocks.

[Wonky]

vess 60

The person to talk to at King Springs is Michael Whitmore. He is the sales manager. Spoke to him and he said give him a call next week on 07.5539.6700

regards

Gary
GB58

Have you had a chance to contact him re a group buy yet Gary?

[Brandonsdad]

Yeah, what he said. ^^^^^

My best price so far is $475 for a set.

[HOLDAN]

Yeah, what he said. ^^^^^

My best price so far is $475 for a set.

I'm keen to get a set of the shortened shocks - have the Kingies fitted already.

[Brandonsdad]

New low price update,

$456.50

[fastestls7]

$400 for set for anyone intersted plus postage if not in Vic.

or

$800 for set gt sport shocks and SSL (2inch low king springs)

or

$850 for set gt sport shocks and SSSL (3 inch low king springs)

Pm me only if interseted

[Brandonsdad]

Hey fastestls2, how many sets are you having to get for everyone. Im presuming theres a few interested. I sent you another PM last night with my postcode. Hopefully your mailbox isnt full.
Thanks Adrian.

[svede1212]

i'm running Lovells Sport Low springs with Koni adjustable shocks and struts. i have a 40mm drop in the back with no issues and it handles and looks great. i'm not sure if Lovells makes shorter shocks but i know they do struts.

[Brandonsdad]

i'm running Lovells Sport Low springs with Koni adjustable shocks and struts. i have a 40mm drop in the back with no issues and it handles and looks great. i'm not sure if Lovells makes shorter shocks but i know they do struts.

We're talking VE's mate. Good win by the 4 X 100m relay guys, by the way.

I think Lovells were going to bring some out about the same time Monroes did. Maybe Monroes were making them for them.

[holden6.0]

quote]Must admit that Pedders' prices usually me so I'll be very surprised if these are even half reasonably priced.] -ur not wrong wonky i went to pedders today for a price jus to lower my ssv quoted me $750 :flipoff: went to wilkinson suspension $580 so booked in there next week.

[Brandonsdad]

quote]Must admit that Pedders' prices usually me so I'll be very surprised if these are even half reasonably priced.] -ur not wrong wonky i went to pedders today for a price jus to lower my ssv quoted me $750 :flipoff: went to wilkinson suspension $580 so booked in there next week.

Pedders are unbelievably expensive for anything. One time I got 3 quotes from 3 shops around here and the cheapest and dearest had just over $100 difference.
Ive now bought my short shocks $400 and King springs $246 and just need someone to fit them. Probably another $200 to $300.

[Wonky]

$400 for set for anyone intersted plus postage if not in Vic.

or

$800 for set gt sport shocks and SSL (2inch low king springs)

or

$850 for set gt sport shocks and SSSL (3 inch low king springs)

Pm me only if interseted

I have spoken to fastestls2 about this. I can get hold of King springs much cheaper than that - probably $110 - $120 pr plus postage from Qld (no, not direct from Kings). :D The more the merrier in terms of reducing the postage cost per pair, so if anyone is interested PM me ASAP. (I already have the SSLs.)

[Brandonsdad]

I have spoken to fastestls2 about this. I can get hold of King springs much cheaper than that - probably $110 - $120 pr plus postage from Qld (no, not direct from Kings). :D The more the merrier in terms of reducing the postage cost per pair, so if anyone is interested PM me ASAP. (I already have the SSLs.)

Ive got some coming the post very soon. A set of 4 for $246, plus $26 freight. Brand new.

eBay is good.:goodjob:

[fastestls7]

it appears that the supplier (mr MONROE) has upped the price already, im told that these shocks were released a month ago and there was an awesome price available untill yesturday. im told they will be around $70 dearer for the set of four. $470 plus freight.

As for the springs plz contact my good mate Wonky, he's certainly tracked a good deal.

[HOLDAN]

it appears that the supplier (mr MONROE) has upped the price already, im told that these shocks were released a month ago and there was an awesome price available untill yesturday. im told they will be around $70 dearer for the set of four. $470 plus freight.

As for the springs plz contact my good mate Wonky, he's certainly tracked a good deal.

I sent a pm a few days ago


it appears that the supplier (mr MONROE) has upped the price already, im told that these shocks were released a month ago and there was an awesome price available untill yesturday. im told they will be around $70 dearer for the set of four. $470 plus freight.

As for the springs plz contact my good mate Wonky, he's certainly tracked a good deal.

Maaaaaaaaaaate - can you order me a set please. Just rang King Springs and they quotred me $600 for a set of 4 plus $210 to fit. I can eft the cash as soon as you give me your account details.

Regards, Dan

[Wonky]

FYI - first report on new shocks (copied and edited from another thread).

Cost me more to have the shocks replaced and another wheel alignment yesterday than when I originally had the springs only done at the same place. Think mine was the first VE they had done so they probably originally guessed based on pre VE models. This time to put the Monroes in cost me just under $240 inc alignment (3 hours labour). They did say that the rears in particular were significantly fatter than stock (I didn't look - Big Rob put them in the boot for me at Chev's where Jake had left them for me and I then just dropped the car off at Tyrepower).

On small bumps in the road it feels basically the same - I thought it might feel a little less harsh. However, where I did notice a difference was near Chev's as I crossed Frankston-Dandy Rd on Hall Rd to come home from calling in to show them. As you are just about over the intersection the road rises a foot or two over a short distance and then falls away again. Typically if I go across there at normal speed I grit my teeth in case the front spoiler scrapes - it never has, just feels that it might as it wallows over that short rise and fall. Yesterday it felt much more controlled and not as though it could hit the spoiler.

There are also some bumpy corners that I expect it will now feel much safer on - the standard shocks with lowered springs felt skittish and unsttled as they were already significantly compressed.

I forgot to get before and after measurements to see if it made any difference to ride height (mainly because I didn't expect it to! ). I don't think it made much, if any difference but the few people who were at Chev's thought it had come down a bit at the back. Unfortunately to confuse matters further I had also only filled up with a full tank of petrol just before I got there.

Just after I had the springs done a bit over a year ago the measurements centre of rim to wheel arch were 360mm front and 345mm rear (with 1/2 - 3/4 tank petrol). Last night Big Rob kindly measured for me - 360mm and 330mm (full tank petrol). It was getting dark then so I'll have a good look in the light of day but I still say even the rear looks little if any different to before (may have settled a bit at the rear since the springs were put in over a year ago).

BTW - each shock came with new bumpstops.

[fastestls7]

anymore thoughts on the shock Wonky?

[Wonky]

Yeah, coming home tonight down the freeway at 100kmh, on a couple of smallish ridges across the road eg start of bridges the guards rubbed on the tyres - something that has never happened before when I was by myself in the car. Maybe it really has come down another 5mm or so as you thought and that's enough to make a difference??? :confused: Admittedly I do have the old shocks and other stuff weighing an extra 10 or 20kg in the boot, but wouldn't have thought that would make a significant difference.

I'll have to look up some of my more recent photos and get more on the weekend to compare.

[Brandonsdad]

I wonder if you had 9.5 inch rims instead of 10 inch whether that would pull the tyres in a little bit and therefore it wouldnt scrape. Too late now I guess.
You would think that having the old stuff in the boot wouldnt make that much difference with the scraping. Imagine what it would be like with a full tank of fuel and the outlaws in the back seat.:rofl:

Im looking at a set of 20's and I think 9.5inch will be the most I go. People that have the DTM Flairs in 22inch (X 10inch) have had to get coilovers to eliminate scraping.

[Wonky]

True, but unfortunately mine didn't come in 9.5". The strange thing is that was the first time I'd travelled that route with the new shocks and the scraping has never occurred before going that way by myself ....... :(

[Brandonsdad]

True, but unfortunately mine didn't come in 9.5". The strange thing is that was the first time I'd travelled that route with the new shocks and the scraping has never occurred before going that way by myself ....... :(

Try a different root, oops, route.

[Wonky]

I'd like to try a different root, even a different route, but this was on the freeway from here to Melbourne!!

[CSP]

Rooting on the freeway Wonky? Sheesh! I don't know! What next? :stick:

[GEN4SS]

it appears that the supplier (mr MONROE) has upped the price already, im told that these shocks were released a month ago and there was an awesome price available untill yesturday. im told they will be around $70 dearer for the set of four. $470 plus freight.

As for the springs plz contact my good mate Wonky, he's certainly tracked a good deal.


Hi all,

Looking at lowering a 60th v6 Omega with these shocks. Csn anyone point me in the right direction where to buy for a good price in Vic?

Thanks Graham

[Brandonsdad]

Hi all,

Looking at lowering a 60th v6 Omega with these shocks. Csn anyone point me in the right direction where to buy for a good price in Vic?

Thanks Graham

$470 plus freight is still quite good. Freight to Adelaide was only $21.
I got mine before the price rise.
You could also go to supercheap and get a quote. I got one for $450 by memory.

The part numbers are somewhere here and I just rang a few places and got each place to better the last quote I got.

[Wonky]

Hi all,

Looking at lowering a 60th v6 Omega with these shocks. Csn anyone point me in the right direction where to buy for a good price in Vic?

Thanks Graham

PM Jake (fastestls2) to see what price his contact is doing now. Was $400 but suspect it's more now.

[GEN4SS]

Thanks,

Got a price on Monday. Can get full package with King Springs and Monroe GT Sport short shocks for $660 then there is fitting and allignment. Not sure if I will get a better price but I will continue looking until I recieve my car. Hopefully next week.
Anyone got any ideas which springs to get. I want around 375 front and 365 rear. Its for a 60th LPG Omega also a gas tank adds a bit extra weight to the rear.

Thx Graham

[w8kesk8boi]

Guys, after opinions from those that have done this.
I have spent many an hour trolling through the forums and am probably more confused than ever.

Now obviously the best option is to probably go the tiens Coil over route but then I read that some think the tiens are a tad soft and of course the expense is fairly high too. My other option of course is to go the King SL route with standard length shocks. (From my understanding, there are still no shorter shocks available for the VE) .But I have also read that his can make the back end somewhat bouncy as the shock isn't operating in it's optimum area.

Basically I want the damm thing to handle .

What is best bang for the bucks?

your best option is to sell the family car and get a sports car...

edit: that was a bit of a snide comment sorry, just in a bad mood.. my mum has a new calais, its the 1st new holden we have bought, its nice and everything but i dont like the way it handles etc... but i guess its a family car. not as good as my little nissan... (waits for flames)

[Wonky]

Thanks,

Got a price on Monday. Can get full package with King Springs and Monroe GT Sport short shocks for $660 then there is fitting and allignment. Not sure if I will get a better price but I will continue looking until I recieve my car. Hopefully next week.
Anyone got any ideas which springs to get. I want around 375 front and 365 rear. Its for a 60th LPG Omega also a gas tank adds a bit extra weight to the rear.

Thx Graham

Sounds a very good price for springs and Monroes - would be surprised if you could do too much better. I think for those heights you'd only want the Kings super lows. I've got the super super lows and am at 360 front and 330 rear.

Unfortunately I can't think of anyone with them to know what height they finish up.

[GEN4SS]

Sounds a very good price for springs and Monroes - would be surprised if you could do too much better. I think for those heights you'd only want the Kings super lows. I've got the super super lows and am at 360 front and 330 rear.

Unfortunately I can't think of anyone with them to know what height they finish up.

Hi Wonky,

What are the part numbers for your Kings front and back. By the info I got today front 150sssl 's drops approx. a V8 to 360 and a V6 to 370 and 150ssl's drops approx a V8 to 370 and a V6 to 380.

150sssl 's are classed a super low for a V6 and ultra low for V8

[Wonky]

Hi Wonky,

What are the part numbers for your Kings front and back. By the info I got today front 150sssl 's drops approx. a V8 to 360 and a V6 to 370 and 150ssl's drops approx a V8 to 370 and a V6 to 380.

150sssl 's are classed a super low for a V6 and ultra low for V8

Mine are KHFL-150SSL and KHRL-152SSL (super super lows), which if you see my first post in Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=68171) are meant to give front height = 370mm, rear = 360mm. However, as myself and several others found, those measurements aren't correct. As soon as mine was lowered well over a year ago it went to 360mm front and 345mm rear and I know of others who've had the same 'problem'.

Over time it has settled at the back and now with the new Monroe short body shocks the rear is 330mm! It looks good (IMHO) but with 10" rims on the rear running 275 tyres and the new shocks it is now scraping too easily on bumps, so I'm going to have to do something - just not sure what yet...... I'd like to really get it back up to 345mm or even 350mm which should cure most of my scraping.

Given the 152SL should be 10mm higher than the SSLs they could even be OK now, but knowing my luck they'd come out at the 'proper' height which IMO is too high. :(

[vessm]

Just wanted to know.

If u get sslows for the sedan ve, the sslows will sit abit higher in the ve ute?

coz someone said they have sslows for there sedan and it sits about 330 in the rear where as for the utes they sit about 360 in the rear.

[GEN4SS]

Mine are KHFL-150SSL and KHRL-152SSL (super super lows), which if you see my first post in http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=68171 are meant to give front height = 370mm, rear = 360mm. However, as myself and several others found, those measurements aren't correct. As soon as mine was lowered well over a year ago it went to 360mm front and 345mm rear and I know of others who've had the same 'problem'.

Over time it has settled at the back and now with the new Monroe short body shocks the rear is 330mm! It looks good (IMHO) but with 10" rims on the rear running 275 tyres and the new shocks it is now scraping too easily on bumps, so I'm going to have to do something - just not sure what yet...... I'd like to really get it back up to 345mm or even 350mm which should cure most of my scraping.

Given the 152SL should be 10mm higher than the SSLs they could even be OK now, but knowing my luck they'd come out at the 'proper' height which IMO is too high. :(

Thanks Wonky,
That is the issue I am trying to avoid. By Kings sheets 150sssl gives me 370mm on V6 and thats what I want but nobody seems to be getting matching figures. Also I picked up my monroe gt's yesterday and these seem to make a height drop on there own. SSL's mite give me the same figures.

[Brandonsdad]

Ive got SSL's all round and my measurements are 360 rear and 380 front.

[Wonky]

Ive got SSL's all round and my measurements are 360 rear and 380 front.

Hmmm, there's definitely some variation in them then as even when first done mine were 360 front and 345 rear and as I said above, I know others who found the same. Maybe they had a "bad" batch about the time I and the others got theirs as I haven't really heard of others having the same problem since.

[bonners]

Do you think that $375 is accpetable for fitting of the shocks and springs and wheel alignment?

[Brandonsdad]

If its from some suspension mob then yes go for it. If its from some grease monkey down the road then NO. It all depends on who it is and if theyve done a VE before. The guy that did mine seemed to have no f'n idea, but it got done. He was some Italian guy with funny shaved eye-brows that liked to talk a lot. It was quite an experience watching him work. He did mine for $300 and for a while I was wishing I got one of the others that quoted $400+. But all is done now and I am going back to him to get the sway-bar bushes changed. The old saying, you only get what you pay for, but some people charge an absolute fortune.
One idea would be that if you wanted Pedders springs, you could always get Pedders to put them in for you as it would not be any extra work for them, going by seeing mine get done. The shocks come out anyway so they might as well put shorter shocks in at the same time. It looked as easy as that anyway.

[bonners]

It's actually my dealer that I've been going to for years. Have serviced my cars for the last 6 years.

[Brandonsdad]

Go for it then.:goodjob:

[bonners]

Ok, so I've sussed where I can get the springs cheap enough but what about the shocks. Also, if I decided to stay with springs only, is it the with the 150SL(152SL) Low's or the 150SSL(152SSL) Super Low's that will drop and after settling down will be about 30mm

[Brandonsdad]

Ok, so I've sussed where I can get the springs cheap enough but what about the shocks. Also, if I decided to stay with springs only, is it the with the 150SL(152SL) Low's or the 150SSL(152SSL) Super Low's that will drop and after settling down will be about 30mm

FastestLS2 can acquire them at a good price for members, PM him, and go for the SSL's. The SL's will not be much different to FE2 and wouldnt need shorter shocks, IMO.

With the SSL's, mine has dropped from 400mm in the front to 380mm, so far, and from 395mm in the rear to 360mm.

I need some fat chick to sit on my bonnet overnight for a couple of weeks and this should see it come down another 10mm.

[bonners]

ok, so got talking to the dealer and mentioned I might go just the springs route and he said I would regret it. My biggest concern is the limited times that car has full load in it i.e kids and wife and gear. Doesn't happen often but will from time to time. So if I buy the Monroes would I still be best getting just the Lows or should I go the Super Lows. If I go for the super lows with new shocks will it stop the tyres from rubbing on the guards when loaded. The Super Lows will obviously look better

[Wonky]

The Kings measurements I was given by the place I get most of my suspension stuff from were:

Low................. front height = 400mm, rear = 390mm.
Super low............. front height = 380mm, rear = 370mm.
Super super low..... front height = 370mm, rear = 360mm.

Using lows on an SSV with FE2 will actually raise the front and do stuff all for the rear (most measurements I've seen on stock VEs with FE2 are 395 all round).

VESS60 has just put SSLs and Monroes on his and at the moment it's apparently only at 380 front and 360 rear! Hopefully it will settle a bit at the front although my front hasn't changed since the springs first went in well over a year ago, even with the Monroes going in recently!

The rears however started off at only 345mm when the SSLs went in and over time with settling and with the Monroes are a ridiculous 330mm! :shock: I say ridiculous from the point of view of ride as the tyres now scrape on the guards on any more than piddling bump even though the guards are rolled. Also my clearance now is under legal requirements.

Given the rears are now 330mm when they should be 360mm I've contacted the place I bought them through to try to get Kings to swap them for some of the correct height. It would seem they had a bad batch about the time I bought them as I know of two others who got a set about the same time and their rears were also 345mm as soon as they went in and have no doubt come down further. I love the look of mine but they are now impractical.

It will be interesting to see how committed Kings are to customer satisfaction - will let you all know!! I still have a couple of emails I sent to Kris Tarrant at Kings at the time letting him know, along with his replies (which basically said "impossible"), so plenty of proof of the problem right from the outset.