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lv619
22-08-2008, 03:24 AM
Looks like Aussie engineers at Holden will take the lead on global LPG engine design for GM. Hopefully we can expect a dedicated LPG system to be developed for the commodore to compete with the falcons current system (which makes a high percentage of the falcon sales) in the not too distant future.

Good to see GM finally embracing a viable alternative fuel source proven effective here in Australia.


Article in the age
http://www.theage.com.au/national/general-motors-assigns-lpg-research-to-holden-20080820-3yzu.html

GM HOLDEN is to become a global development centre for liquefied petroleum gas engines as its US parent General Motors strives to reduce dependence on petrol.

GMH chairman and managing director Mark Reuss said Australia would take the lead with its experience with LPG engines.

"We have an opportunity to develop LPG in-house, the next generation of LPG technology both in power-train injection and in how we carry it and the fuel tank capacity," he said.

Holden has been making LPG-compatible engines for some time. Until recently they have all been used in cars with both petrol and LPG tanks.

An LPG-only Commodore is being released to compete with the fast-selling LPG Falcon made by Ford. Both cars are cheaper to run than a petrol-powered Toyota Corolla.

LPG is one alternative fuel that will play an increasing role in GM products around the world as the company moves towards all-electric cars, according to visiting GM research and development chief Larry Burns.

He was impressed by the different fuel sources Australia could fall back on.

"I was intrigued by how much natural gas you have and the potential for LPG and CNG (compressed natural gas)," Mr Burns told The Age.

He said he envied Australia because it was one of the few nations that could develop an energy-independence strategy at a time of rising oil prices.

He said LPG would be a good starting point because it was already widely distributed, and then he would advocate embracing CNG and solar technology further down the road.

"I'd really go after solar big time as a longer-term bet because I do think it will be economically viable," he said.

GM Fastlane blog
http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/archives/2008/07/natural_gas_an_enticing_alternative.html

Natural Gas: An Enticing Alternative

By Larry Burns
GM Vice President, Research & Development

Volatile oil prices have been dominating the news lately, underscoring growing unease about the automobile’s heavy dependence on petroleum. As these concerns reverberate from Main Street to Wall Street, General Motors is working toward new solutions that will answer the growing demand for personal transportation in an affordable and sustainable way.

Because GM believes there is no single technology solution to displace petroleum, we are aggressively pursuing biofuels such as E85 ethanol and leveraging other efficiencies such as advanced engines and hybrids. We also are developing entirely new technology solutions that do not rely on petroleum, such as the Chevrolet Volt extended-range electric vehicle and fuel cell vehicles.

Another alternative, natural gas, is enticing because it is abundant, affordable and relatively clean. This week in Washington, D.C., the Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming listened to testimony on the role natural gas can play in our nation’s transportation sector.

In the near term, we can use compressed natural gas (CNG) in internal combustion engines. Mid term, we can leverage natural gas to create electricity for the Volt and future variants. In the long term, natural gas could be an excellent source for making hydrogen for fuel cell vehicles, either at the filling station or in people’s homes.

GM already has extensive experience with natural gas vehicles. Our Opel Zafira CNG is among the leaders in Europe, where gasoline and diesel fuel are costly, and we are exploring a dual-fuel approach with natural gas and gasoline for U.S. customers. While we are not ready to commit to a future production plan, we are taking a serious look at natural gas in the U.S. as yet another way to diversify our portfolio of affordable and sustainable transportation energy solutions.

From our experience with ethanol in Brazil and the U.S., we believe that dual-fuel vehicles provide the kind of flexibility that gives consumers the confidence to purchase them. Just as owners of our flex-fuel ethanol/gasoline vehicles have two fuel choices, purchasers of natural gas/gasoline vehicles could also buy either fuel.

If natural gas is to make a measurable impact, many vehicles need to use it, and it must be readily available. Collaboration with the energy industry and governments is key. Governments will likely need to provide incentives to encourage early adoption of the technology and to jump-start the fueling infrastructure.

Ultimately, the cost of vehicle technology and fuel will determine whether customers embrace natural gas as an automotive fuel. What we all can agree on is that the future of automotive transportation – and the global economies that depend on it – will not continue to thrive in a petroleum-centric world.

Dacious
22-08-2008, 09:50 AM
Looks like Aussie engineers at Holden will take the lead on global LPG engine design for GM. Hopefully we can expect a dedicated LPG system to be developed for the commodore to compete with the falcons current system (which makes a high percentage of the falcon sales) in the not too distant future.

Good to see GM finally embracing a viable alternative fuel source proven effective here in Australia.


Article in the age
http://www.theage.com.au/national/general-motors-assigns-lpg-research-to-holden-20080820-3yzu.html


GM Fastlane blog
http://fastlane.gmblogs.com/archives/2008/07/natural_gas_an_enticing_alternative.html

Ermm, the Commodore system already craps on the Falcon system in every conceivable way. Plus gives the option of running on petrol which gives a 1000+km range. Run a Falcon out of LPG and it's a push or tow to a servo. The Falcon loses about 40 Kw, slurps LPG like an 8. It is only cost-effective because LPG is so cheap. My workmate's 2006 farts, backfires and stalls and the dealer can't or won't be bothered to fix it. The Commodore starts cold and idles on petrol switching to gas the instant you press the throttle, IOW runs on petrol where LPG is usually not as good.

The Commodore system costs only a couple of Kw and returns almost the same economy as the petrol motor. IMO they need to offer it on more models and develop it for the 195kw range. Good to see it on the Berlina wagon soon.

The high percentage of Falcon sales with it are 99% fleet or lease cars (as are the Commodore) which make it a low-margin option. LPG Omegas go for more in auctions or secondhand.

PoweredByCNG
22-08-2008, 02:46 PM
This has got to be a good thing. We'll probably see Holden and IMPCO working even closer than they ever have been now, and we'll see fully-optimised LPG engines that will easily run rings around Ford's lack-lustre offerings, especially if Holden go down the path of Liquid Injection.

Regards,
Dave

German Statesman
22-08-2008, 07:22 PM
The association between Holden and Impco goes back over 17yrs - there's some good history there, and Impco's long OEM experience in the States will help too.

mmciau
22-08-2008, 09:08 PM
"Ying Tong, Ying Tong, Ying Tong, Ying Tong, Ying Tong iddle i po!!!!!!!!"

Great news holden

Mike

Evman
22-08-2008, 09:17 PM
Factory liquid injection :eyes: