Machining VE wheels to suit pre-VE, how-to with pics

[KeenGolfer]

Ok, there is still a lot of uncertainty about doing this. How much needs to be removed from the hub etc to make them suit. Hopefully this will clarify things for everyone.

I haven't had it done yet, but after some investigation it appears that the majority of the VE wheel hub is actually the same size as pre-VE.

There is just a small inner lip on the hub which is slightly smaller for the VE. All that needs to be done (apparently) is machine this inner lip off so the entire hub bore is the same size.

The red in the pics marks the inner lip. I have found someone in Canberra to do this (Jax Tyres in Fyshwick) and will be getting it done soon. I will advise the outcome.

I would appreciate anyone who has already had this done advising if I am correct. You should be able to simply check your wheels and see if this lip has been removed only.

http://www.drewbytes.com.au/images/wagon/ssv_hub1.jpg

http://www.drewbytes.com.au/images/wagon/ssv_hub2.jpg

[seedyrom]

Here's some I prepared earlier ;)

http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/album20/wheels6.jpg

http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/album20/wheels5.jpg

[KeenGolfer]

Seedy, cheers. So yours just had the lip removed and nothing else?

[Delft Maloo]

The lip is the only thing needed to be removed, if your using after market wheel nuts make sure the tapered cone section is of at least equal lenght to the same section on the std holden wheel nuts from that model.
Std holen vt-vz wheel nuts are fine but some aftermarket ones are shorter in the tapered section meaning there isnt as much contact area bettween the nut and wheel.
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb105/tkwpalm/IMG_0471.jpg

[MitchyVYSS]

Great posts. These are really handy! Well done!

[Dacious]

Aren't the studs/holes a different size too? I suppose it shouldn't be an issue with a shouldered nut - but careful inspection and refitting might be an idea.

[TIR33D]

Don't worry about the stud holes, most wouldn't know but just about any aftermarket wheel will fit on a VE. The idea of sleeving the holes is a waste of time, as mentioned above you the right style acorn nuts and you will be fine.

[KeenGolfer]

Well the store that was going to machine my wheels is no longer. When I rang back to book it in they claimed they no longer do it. So I decided to do it myself. It's in fact very easy to do with a couple of metal files. I've done 2 wheels now and will finish off this arvo, then get them fitted.

I'll put up some pics later of how to do it. If I can do it anyone can. Takes less than an hour per wheel and getting faster each time.

[planetdavo]

Don't worry about the stud holes, most wouldn't know....
Until the insurance companies start looking for ways to get out of a payout, with those no longer "original" rims using the now incorrect too small wheel nuts....

[Drewie]

Until the insurance companies start looking for ways to get out of a payout, with those no longer "original" rims using the now incorrect too small wheel nuts....

You would think the smaller nuts would pull further into the larger hole and thus reduce the contact area between the nut and the wheel.
Would be interesting to put some engineers BLUE onto a nut and see how much contact area is actually left with the smaller nuts, over time the wheels may develop cracks seeing the nuts are pulling up on the inner part of the larger hole. I really don't know just would feel a bit uncomfortable in case a failure did occur.

[planetdavo]

You would think the smaller nuts would pull further into the larger hole and thus reduce the contact area between the nut and the wheel.
Would be interesting to put some engineers BLUE onto a nut and see how much contact area is actually left with the smaller nuts
Yep, they definitely do.
As all models up to VZ use 12mm studs/nuts, and VE upsized to 14mm, using the standard 12mm nuts on these rims puts the taper right down on the thin part of the taper in the wheel nut holes, beyond where they were designed to safely sit.
Some places that used to machine these out no longer do it.
Reason? Public liability in the event of a failure, as I haven't heard of one company getting engineering approval for this mod, and no one seems to be supplying 12mm nuts with the equivalent O.D of the 14mm nuts, to maintain the correct nut taper location on the rim!

[HSVGTS215i]

Had mine machined by an engineering shop and asked him if the VZ nuts would be OK and he said they would be fine. Been on for over a year now and havent come off and that includes hitting a pothole that buckled two of them.

[BLQWN]

Had mine machined by an engineering shop and asked him if the VZ nuts would be OK and he said they would be fine. Been on for over a year now and havent come off and that includes hitting a pothole that buckled two of them.

Go and ask them if they will stand up in court for you?
At least get new wheel nuts machined - it's not that expensive for a good CNC shop, hell get a quote for a few sets, it'll be even cheaper then.
cheers

[HSVGTS215i]

Go and ask them if they will stand up in court for you?
At least get new wheel nuts machined - it's not that expensive for a good CNC shop, hell get a quote for a few sets, it'll be even cheaper then.
cheers


Why would they need to go to court in the first place? He's an engineer and has more knowledge in the area than you or I so when he says they are safe I believe him. If they were going to come off they would have by now especially with a hit hard enough to buckle two of the rims.

[planetdavo]

Why would they need to go to court in the first place? He's an engineer and has more knowledge in the area than you or I so when he says they are safe I believe him. If they were going to come off they would have by now especially with a hit hard enough to buckle two of the rims.
He "said" they are safe meaning absolutely nothing in the event of a court appearance. Try proving he said it. Unless said engineer puts it in writing, no one has said anything!
Just be warned everybody. These wheels are getting modified by everyone from engineering shops to people in their backyard sheds, and when that happens, something always ends up happening...

[HSVGTS215i]

He "said" they are safe meaning absolutely nothing in the event of a court appearance. Try proving he said it. Unless said engineer puts it in writing, no one has said anything!
Just be warned everybody. These wheels are getting modified by everyone from engineering shops to people in their backyard sheds, and when that happens, something always ends up happening...

Again, why the fark would court appearance even come into it? Anyone with half a brain can see the wheels will not come off whats with all this pathetic paranoia with no logical basis for it?

Some people really need to get a life and step into reality ffs.

[Delft Maloo]

Whats funny is that one of my mates that works for holden brought a set of 19"ssv rims off holden direct that bolted staight up to his vz ss ute.

[planetdavo]

Again, why the fark would court appearance even come into it? Anyone with half a brain can see the wheels will not come off whats with all this pathetic paranoia with no logical basis for it?

Some people really need to get a life and step into reality ffs.
Or, some people should pull their heads out of their @rses and smell the roses! Public liability IS reality, not your little dream world where nothing goes wrong!:goodjob:
So you see no issue with too small wheel nuts sitting right down on the weakest, thinnest part of the wheel nut taper of the rims? People are fitting rims not designed for the models they are fitting them to, and said people are either too cheap, too lazy or too ignorant to fit wheel nuts matching in O.D to those that were designed to be fitted, for maximum safety and strength. Just because something bolts up doesn't mean it will remain there! That's where the issue is, that's where insurance will eventually catch someone out, and that is where you clearly have no idea!
Something WILL happen one day, because this is a cheap and dodgy modification when not used in conjunction with CORRECT wheel nuts. :teach:

[Delft Maloo]

this is a cheap and dodgy modification when not used in conjunction with CORRECT wheel nuts. :teach:

this is exactly the case davo.
in my experience the std holden wheel nuts from pre ve were more then adequate for the job, where i found wheel nuts to be a problem was some aftermarket chrome plated ones and a couple of different security lock nuts were actually shorter then the std holden ones causing them to pull into the rim to far.

[HSVGTS215i]

Or, some people should pull their heads out of their @rses and smell the roses! Public liability IS reality, not your little dream world where nothing goes wrong!:goodjob:
So you see no issue with too small wheel nuts sitting right down on the weakest, thinnest part of the wheel nut taper of the rims? People are fitting rims not designed for the models they are fitting them to, and said people are either too cheap, too lazy or too ignorant to fit wheel nuts matching in O.D to those that were designed to be fitted, for maximum safety and strength. Just because something bolts up doesn't mean it will remain there! That's where the issue is, that's where insurance will eventually catch someone out, and that is where you clearly have no idea!
Something WILL happen one day, because this is a cheap and dodgy modification when not used in conjunction with CORRECT wheel nuts. :teach:

You sound like the typical moron who subscribes to such shows a a current affair and today tonight and takes it all in as gospel. I on the other hand form opinions and make decisions based on fact and advice from Professionals.

There is nothing wrong with using VZ nuts on a VE rim that has been machined properly, its idiots like yourself that cant understand anything that isnt written in your glovebox manual that give unnecessary concern to people who make the mistake of thinking you have a ****ing clue.

Youre truly an idiot.

[planetdavo]

Hmmm, touchy little fellow aren't you...
Perhaps you should ask some companies that no longer machine these rims out why they stopped! :teach:

[Tyre biter]

I won't even touch the argument as to whether it is right or otherwise to undertake this modification - simply I don't have the engineering background to wade into what has become a finger pointing / chest beating exercise in vilification on here. In saying this, I understand this modification has been undertaken for what, over a year now and (to my knowledge) this is the first time this concern has arisen here. Further, are any reports (reliable one's) of such a failure occuring to date?

What I will say is in response to the comments about voiding one's insurance. Now I have a very good mate who runs a well accredited and reputable smash repair business, and very often I see cars in there which are not near roadworthy (bald tyres, rust, EPA isues, bolt-on mods, etc).

I have often enquired with my friend as to how they get repaired by the insurance companies when there exists (to me) an obvious 'out' for them in terms of the condition or specification the owner has kept the vehicle. He replies the companies (all of them) simply don't care and fix them regardless. He believes the hassle for them in declining a policy claim is too great and it is easier (read cheaper), in the long run to just recognise and fulfill their policy.

On this basis, I would doubt an insurance company would bounce a claim merely because a pre-VE Commodore is fitted with VE wheels. Unless we are talking of finite metal analysis, who's to say a wheel broke as a result of an accident or the other way around?

As for firms who used to modify the wheels and have since refrained from the practice, clearly they feel there exists some risk in undertaking this modification. Now, without wanting to open the whole 'risk analysis/risk matrix' box of issues (ie; many folk don't undertake a considered assessment and therefore see any risk, no matter how minimal, as being one they want nothing to do with), perhaps these same firms are spooked by the resultant liability that might be shone upon them if a person with a vehicle modified by them has a change of heart as to the suitability of the modification.

Cheers

[BLQWN]

He's an engineer and has more knowledge in the area than you or I
You maybe, but don't assume MY background mate.
So you're saying he's smarter than the Holden engineers who upped the stud diameter and wheel nut diameter to compensate for extra loadings caused by the introduction of wider and larger wheels than the previous models?

Some engineer!
You do what you want -some people are just trying to help hey...


I won't even touch the argument as to whether it is right or otherwise to undertake this modification
And thats where you should have stopped typing.


finger pointing / chest beating exercise in vilification on here.



Well, it's more a case of some people in the know offering friendly advice to people who dont



I have often enquired with my friend as to how they get repaired by the insurance companies when there exists (to me) an obvious 'out' for them in terms of the condition or specification the owner has kept the vehicle. He replies the companies (all of them) simply don't care and fix them regardless. He believes the hassle for them in declining a policy claim is too great and it is easier (read cheaper), in the long run to just recognise and fulfill their policy.

On this basis,


What a crock!!
Why have suppliers on this forum spent thousands seeking ADR compliance on blower/turbo kits?????
Because they know the ramifications SHOULD something happen, and you sometimes WON'T get insurance coverage without it!
Hate to get a car fixed by your "mate's" shop, did someone say chicken wire and bog....
MY 22C

[KeenGolfer]

Perhaps you should ask some companies that no longer machine these rims out why they stopped! :teach:

I did. It's because the company they used to outsource the machining to (The Wheel Factory in Fyshwick) closed down and hence they have no way of doing it any more :teach:

[heavyduty1340]

Hey Drewbytes

Maybe you could look into getting a small run of "suitable" diameter wheel nuts done up on a CNC and flog em of to everyone


Ive been contemplating some VE mags myself so I'll watch where you go with this mod

[chris__85]

Hey Drewbytes

Maybe you could look into getting a small run of "suitable" diameter wheel nuts done up on a CNC and flog em of to everyone


Ive been contemplating some VE mags myself so I'll watch where you go with this mod


Hey,
Im in if anyone decides to get any nuts machined up.
I want 19" ssv's bad for my vz but am too scared of GIO telling me where to go if i were to be in an accident!
After reading through the thread does anyone have any definitive answer as to whether this mod is insurance happy? I found this article when researching.. seems interesting

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=22240&vf=12

Cheers
Chris

[Delft Maloo]

if people are that concernd just get thicker wheel studs fitted, simple.

[HSVGTS215i]

Hmmm, touchy little fellow aren't you...
Perhaps you should ask some companies that no longer machine these rims out why they stopped! :teach:

I dont really care as the shop that did mine still does them and Ive had no problems whatsoever.


You maybe, but don't assume MY background mate.
So you're saying he's smarter than the Holden engineers who upped the stud diameter and wheel nut diameter to compensate for extra loadings caused by the introduction of wider and larger wheels than the previous models?

Some engineer!


Where exactly did I say he was smarter than the Holden engineers? Anyone capable of thinking logically would see that he was saying that while the rim wasnt designed for pre VE its quite safe to use them once the centre hole is modified.

And your arguement is flawed as the VZ ran 19s from factory as HSVs


Really not that hard to understand...

[BLQWN]

Anyone capable of thinking logically would see that he was saying that while the rim wasnt designed for pre VE its quite safe to use them once the centre hole is modified.

And your arguement is flawed as the VZ ran 19s from factory as HSVs


Really not that hard to understand...

Probably more for the GTS's 20" and 8.5's?? on the rear I'd say...and the extra weight.

[HSVGTS215i]

Probably more for the GTS's 20" and 8.5's?? on the rear I'd say...and the extra weight.

Possibly yeah, makes sense.

[Tyre biter]

Blqwn,

Jeepers, what the!!! Easy big boy, you'll do yourself an injury bouncing folks like that. Please, have a re-read of what I had to say but this time use a nice voice as opposed to a cranky one (not everyone is looking to score through bombastic remarks), and perhaps, just perhaps, you'll come to see that my post was merely discussive - nothing more.

Either than or try some Xantax...:)

Cheers

[KeenGolfer]

I got them fitted yesterday and they look fan bloody tastic on the wagon.

[HSVGTS215i]

:worthless:

[Mutch]

This is a very interesting discussion and one that I am trying to investigate, here is what I have found so far

1) VE RIMS are load rated higher (E series are heavier, Holden was actually toying with the idea of going to a 6 stud pattern for E series)

2) If the machining is done correctly on the wheel then the wheel hub should take some of the weight of the car and stop any wheel movement and reduce load on studs, this is how all wheels should work

3) The wheel nuts are all tapered so the 12mm studs with 19mm nuts should take the laod the same

Now the bit that I am not sure on is the E series have 22mm nuts on 14 studs... From all the reaserch i have done so far genuine wheels are fine with the modification, people start seeing porblems with cheaper after market Rims that have been modified.

I would be interested if anyone has any comments...

[HSVGTS215i]

This is a very interesting discussion and one that I am trying to investigate, here is what I have found so far

1) VE RIMS are load rated higher (E series are heavier, Holden was actually toying with the idea of going to a 6 stud pattern for E series)

2) If the machining is done correctly on the wheel then the wheel hub should take some of the weight of the car and stop any wheel movement and reduce load on studs, this is how all wheels should work

3) The wheel nuts are all tapered so the 12mm studs with 19mm nuts should take the laod the same

Now the bit that I am not sure on is the E series have 22mm nuts on 14 studs... From all the reaserch i have done so far genuine wheels are fine with the modification, people start seeing porblems with cheaper after market Rims that have been modified.

I would be interested if anyone has any comments...

That why I got mine done by an engineering place, he knew the exact measurements of both holes and machined accordingly. They were a perfect fit over the VZ locator with no movement at all.

[LS1 Cobra]

The spiggot on the hub needs to be a snug fit inside the center bore of the wheel. This is designed to take all the load on the wheel. The wheel studs are there just to keep the wheel snugged up against the hub and transmit the power and braking loads. I've seen plenty of incorrectly fitted alloy wheels where the car is snapping wheel studs because the center bore on the hub dosent match.

Wheel studs and bolts etc are strong in tension not in shear loads. The grooves for the threads provide handy stress risers for a break to start in. This is one of the reasons wheel nuts are usually countersunk head. The countersunk head transfers part of a shear load into a tension load. The slope of the nuts shoulder trying to push it out when a shear load is applied accross it (if that makes sense).

I did a heap of reasearch into this when I set up my pin drive wheels on the Cobra.

Cheers

[Mutch]

I must say I heard the same thing regading the wheel nuts i believe there has been a lot of horror stories with these conversion because people use after market nuts that don't have the correct taper and also people are using nuts of steel rims that are totally wrong..

[KeenGolfer]

http://www.drewbytes.com.au/images/wagon/ssv_wheels1.jpg

http://www.drewbytes.com.au/images/wagon/ssv_wheels2.jpg

http://www.drewbytes.com.au/images/wagon/ssv_wheels3.jpg

[Tyre biter]

Looks good Drew - where is the black covers for the nuts?

[HSVGTS215i]

Looks mint, VE SSV rims look so much better on VY VZ than they do on VE I reckon

[michaels1v8]

Are VZ wheel nuts different to VX??

Looking into SSV 19s myself I reckon they look nice on just about anything

[HSVGTS215i]

Youre not allowed theres not many ppl clued onto it yet in Perth and I like being a minority hahaha

[michaels1v8]

Haha I just cant believe how cheaply you can pick them up for when they're such a decent looking rim. Dunno why people change them

And its ok Im from Geraldton :smilesandbanana: so not taking away your exclusitivity

[KeenGolfer]

The VE black caps won't fit, different size. I will have to see if I can pick up some.

[HSVGTS215i]

Geraldton thats ok then hahha

Drewbytes use the original black caps or didnt you have them on the previous rims?

[KeenGolfer]

Drewbytes use the original black caps or didnt you have them on the previous rims?
I had chrome covers. Will try them on to see if they suit if I can find them.

[HSVGTS215i]

Curious to see how chrome would look on those rims actually...

[TIR33D]

The spiggot on the hub needs to be a snug fit inside the center bore of the wheel. This is designed to take all the load on the wheel. The wheel studs are there just to keep the wheel snugged up against the hub and transmit the power and braking loads. I've seen plenty of incorrectly fitted alloy wheels where the car is snapping wheel studs because the center bore on the hub dosent match.

Wheel studs and bolts etc are strong in tension not in shear loads. The grooves for the threads provide handy stress risers for a break to start in. This is one of the reasons wheel nuts are usually countersunk head. The countersunk head transfers part of a shear load into a tension load. The slope of the nuts shoulder trying to push it out when a shear load is applied accross it (if that makes sense).

I did a heap of reasearch into this when I set up my pin drive wheels on the Cobra.



Cheers

And the winner is.
This is your engineering answer that all this shit is about.

[scorpian]

hey all,

i am putting SSV rims on my sons VY
the centres i have machined out and fit fine over the hub.

biggest issue now is the wheel nuts.
can anyone suggest where i can get some with a larger OD so they dont sink in the rim?

and if anyone knows place in perth???

cheers

[KeenGolfer]

You will be fine with the VY wheel nuts as long as wheels were machined correctly and are tight on the hub.

I've been talking with a fellow forum member who has also successfully hand done his wheels at home like I did. If anyone wants to have a go doing it themselves send me a PM and I'll send you the instructions on how to do it also.

[scorpian]

thanks drewbytes

[Token]

that would be me Drewbytes is talking bout.. did them last night in the shed with a dremel and metal files.. worked perfectly... using standard wheel nuts and jsut made sure when i was removing the lip that i didnt take off heaps so that it was still a snug fit ;)

looks something like this :D

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l266/Shibbydiwhoopda/Picture261.jpg

[boyley]

Looks mint, VE SSV rims look so much better on VY VZ than they do on VE I reckon

agreed

http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh166/boylero/DSCF2158.jpg

[HSVGTS215i]

Just went into City Motors Holden to get an oil filter and whats on display behind the parts counter? VE rims machined to suit pre VE brand new.

Must be a safe conversion if Holden are selling them now haha

They were VE SS-V 19s and VE SS 18s btw

[vessute08]

Just went into City Motors Holden to get an oil filter and whats on display behind the parts counter? VE rims machined to suit pre VE brand new.

Must be a safe conversion if Holden are selling them now haha

They were VE SS-V 19s and VE SS 18s btw

Did you happen to get pricing at all? Would be good to know how much holden are making back on the rims they pull off VE's pre-delivery

[HSVGTS215i]

Nah didnt ask just told them I was annoyed because not many cars in perth with VE wheels on so I felt special hahaha

[Devil CV8]

Did you happen to get pricing at all? Would be good to know how much holden are making back on the rims they pull off VE's pre-delivery
holmart have VE SS and SSV rims and caps only, sets of 4 for $880
with tyres the SS are $1600 odd.

[VT_Lance]

drew ive just dropped my ve ssv wheels off at Jax Tyres in Fyshwick today should look good on my vx ss monaro 4 door

and your wagon looks tops with em on

[AJR-01]

Hi All,

When I had my VXSS, I too had this same concern relating to the use of the correct wheel nuts.

I bought my VE SSV wheels and tyres over 12 months ago from "The Wheel King" in Morrabbin and Peter explained to me about the potential dangers fitting incorrect wheel nut. He doesn't recommend using the standard wheel nuts (pre-VE) due to the reduced contact area. He supplied the package with wheel nuts and caps (chrome or black) which are thicker in diameter to fit the 12mm studs at no extra cost.

Pics of the VXSS with VE SSV Rims and IMO are one of the best rims to grace this car due to it's 5 spoke "not too busy" design and I've had about 4 or 5 different sets during the time I owned it.

Good post drewbyte, very informative.

Just my 2c worth.

:)

AJR-01
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2386/1981624283_256766a005.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2081/1981635601_1d4591e935.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2228/1982453634_564e2b5e46.jpg

[VT_Lance]

is there somewhere where i can buy some thicker nuts but still go onto the 12mm thingy? i wanna be safe then sorry

[Gorty]

i wanna be safe then sorry

Had to laugh! :rofl:

[boyley]

Hi All,

When I had my VXSS, I too had this same concern relating to the use of the correct wheel nuts.

I bought my VE SSV wheels and tyres over 12 months ago from "The Wheel King" in Morrabbin and Peter explained to me about the potential dangers fitting incorrect wheel nut. He doesn't recommend using the standard wheel nuts (pre-VE) due to the reduced contact area. He supplied the package with wheel nuts and caps (chrome or black) which are thicker in diameter to fit the 12mm studs at no extra cost.

Pics of the VXSS with VE SSV Rims and IMO are one of the best rims to grace this car due to it's 5 spoke "not too busy" design and I've had about 4 or 5 different sets during the time I owned it.

Good post drewbyte, very informative.

Just my 2c worth.

:)

AJR-01


That is one fine motorcar my friend, the wheels are the pants:goodjob:

[AJR-01]

is there somewhere where i can buy some thicker nuts but still go onto the 12mm thingy? i wanna be safe then sorry

VT_Lance, why don't you give Peter at WheelKing a call or even PM him, they're a sponsor here. He might be able to help you out with "thicker" :1peek: nuts.


That is one fine motorcar my friend, the wheels are the pants:goodjob:

Thanks boyley, sadly :bawl:, I just sold her, it was a great car. The new owner was stoked given the mods she had and the mint condition it was in, but in her place is another Phantom...a Clubsport R8 LS3 and this one's even better.:woohoo:

Check it out in My Ride section Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=107924) ...

and here's more of the VXSSII Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=86849)

[WA1TNC]

[QUOTE=AJR-01;1359646]VT_Lance, why don't you give Peter at WheelKing a call or even PM him, they're a sponsor here. He might be able to help you out with "thicker" :1peek: nuts.



i gave them a ring just now after some info and he pretty much didnt tell me anything, he asked if i was buying them off a mate 2nd hand or him, i said a mate, he then just told me 2 get info off my mate(i felt he was a being a little rude, tho its sunday 12.30 and said he was just doin bookwork).
i said i just wanted info regarding wheel nuts and the machining and he sed they can do all no probs, so i guess if they do it it can be done properly so il most likely be gettn a set of ssv's.

[Wilson44]

hey guys, i would really like to figure out how to put these wheels on my vp. so after reading this thread i'm under the impression all i have to do is machine the lip off the inside of my rims shown in the first post and use vz wheel nuts and bolt the wheels on. is this right?

[stumps57L]

I spent three hours last night doing this on my ve wheels to suit my vx. I cannot stress how much hard work this is with a file (drewbytes sent me instructions) so far i have done 1 and a half wheels in three hours.

Today I went out and purchased a dremel and accessory kit with hope this will make it a bit easier.

It is integral while you are doing this to constantly trial fit the wheels you dont want to take off too much.

Good luck to anyone else who goes down this path, i should have the wheels on my car sometime in the next 3 years.

[MrSuave]

Im currently considering VE wheels for my VZ Adventra. The tyre shop Im dealing with suggests binning the VZ wheel nuts and using Ford Focus wheel nuts as they have a much larger cone area than the VZ ones, and almost the same as the VE ones.

I know that using Ford bits on a Holden is a bit sacraligious, but hey if it works, then why not.

[ti0350]

I'm getting some VE rims for my SS but was a bit concerned about getting them to fit, seen plenty of VE rims already machined on ebay but know whether to trust the machine work on them so I'm thinking of just getting VE ones and get them machined does anyone know a good engineering place in Sydney that could do them..

[Black Diamond]

I'm getting some VE rims for my SS but was a bit concerned about getting them to fit, seen plenty of VE rims already machined on ebay but know whether to trust the machine work on them so I'm thinking of just getting VE ones and get them machined does anyone know a good engineering place in Sydney that could do them..

Neales wheels in strathfield. 96421002

[ti0350]

thanks mate

[philbio]

hey guys, i would really like to figure out how to put these wheels on my vp. so after reading this thread i'm under the impression all i have to do is machine the lip off the inside of my rims shown in the first post and use vz wheel nuts and bolt the wheels on. is this right?

I don't think VZ wheel nuts will fit VP as the VZ's are metric, I have the same problem fitting to VK. I will have to use a 12mm ID x 19mm wheel nut unless someone else has any ideas?

[darcy]

I don't think VZ wheel nuts will fit VP as the VZ's are metric, I have the same problem fitting to VK. I will have to use a 12mm ID x 19mm wheel nut unless someone else has any ideas?

Commodores have had M12x1.5 wheel studs since VB haven't they? :confused:

[philbio]

Commodores have had M12x1.5 wheel studs since VB haven't they? :confused:

Well that gives me the s@#!s because I was told that VT-VZ wheel nuts are incompatible with VB-VS because they are metric. So I have been trying to find alternate ways to get wheel nuts for VE rims on a VK.

The only option I was thinking of is the 12mm ID x 19mm OD wheel nut.

[ttrevs1]

Hey thanks for that info, ive been trying for ages to find a set of "nuts" with a bigger taper.
Anybody care to swap me a set of VY SS rims for my VE ss ones, tyres and rims have done 3000klm so like new, only catch is u have to be in the NTH QLD area to make this happen.( i live in Atherton)

Trev



Im currently considering VE wheels for my VZ Adventra. The tyre shop Im dealing with suggests binning the VZ wheel nuts and using Ford Focus wheel nuts as they have a much larger cone area than the VZ ones, and almost the same as the VE ones.

I know that using Ford bits on a Holden is a bit sacraligious, but hey if it works, then why not.

[KeenGolfer]

I spent three hours last night doing this on my ve wheels to suit my vx. I cannot stress how much hard work this is with a file (drewbytes sent me instructions) so far i have done 1 and a half wheels in three hours.

Today I went out and purchased a dremel and accessory kit with hope this will make it a bit easier.

It is integral while you are doing this to constantly trial fit the wheels you dont want to take off too much.

Good luck to anyone else who goes down this path, i should have the wheels on my car sometime in the next 3 years.

Did you use a bastard file, not a regular file? It should take the metal off pretty quick. Still took me about 1 hour per wheel being careful.

[Filthy Phil]

I took my wheels to ProMac Engineering at Cardiff NSW & had them back in less than 3 hours.
My wheels are 18x8 with 235x40/18 tyres. I don't think I could have gone much bigger because the strut would've been in the way.

http://img2.pict.com/37/4c/45/1503349/0/img0001.jpg

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[huffer]

Looks nice, thanks to all for this threads content.

[stumps57L]

Did you use a bastard file, not a regular file? It should take the metal off pretty quick. Still took me about 1 hour per wheel being careful.

Sorry for the late reply, im sure it was a bastard file. I swtiched to the dremel as i mentioned and it was alot quicker but still took a fair while. I think 4-6 hours all up and $150 for the dremel and accessories. Plus $20 for the file. So in the long run it would have been quicker / more cost effective for me to get a shop to do it. But it was a learning experience and now i can look at my wheels with self satisfaction.

[VendeTTR]

i talked to an engineer when fitting my VE wheels, ended up fitting stud spacers which are permanently attatched to the wheel aswell as machining the centre.

Was a requirement with my insurance too.

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af346/Vendettr/18072009075.jpg

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[huffer]

I have had the centres of my VE SS rims machined to suit my VY Calais. Test fitted today and looked okay, nice snug fit to. Done through Welshpool Tyre service here in WA @ $140 for 4 by a machine shop (cant attach pic low post count).

I just need to buy some rubber now . Looking at 225/45/18 as this seems to be the one that is closest to the rolling diameter of the 225/50/17 that are on there now.

My question is this: Is there a 12mm nut available with a larger outside tapered area to suit the VE rim? There seems to be some doubt and different opinions as to wether or not there is a risk of the smaller pre-VE nuts pulling through the larger holes (!!!)

Thanks in advance guys.

Lisa

EDIT: VendeTTR, where did your nut spacers come from if you dont mind me asking?

[HSVGTS215i]

I was running 235/45/17s and now run 245/35/19s and the speedo is spot on instead of reading high by about 5kph as they do from factory.

Got mine machined by an engineering shop who also checked out the use of the vz nuts on the VE rims and said no probs. I smashed a huge pothole buckling two of my rims and the nuts held tight and have done for quite some time now.

[HSV Listy]

i talked to an engineer when fitting my VE wheels, ended up fitting stud spacers which are permanently attatched to the wheel aswell as machining the centre.

Was a requirement with my insurance too.

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af346/Vendettr/18072009075.jpg

http://i1022.photobucket.com/albums/af346/Vendettr/18072009074.jpg

How did you get the wheels to fit a VY legally and insured. Keen to know.
Nice mod and looks neat. Legal too so well done.

[SHANESVZSS]

be VERY careful when putting ve wheels on pre ve cars! when i first did my gts wheels i snapped 3 wheels studs while driving! the wheel almost came off , crapped my self , turned out it was machined wrong , got it RE-done and its fine now , IF you hear a squeaking sound CHECK and make sure nuts are tight , thats how mine started...

[VendeTTR]

EDIT: VendeTTR, where did your nut spacers come from if you dont mind me asking?

A specialised wheel shop in Adelaide done it for me.

[KPWISHN]

So I have a spare set of SSV wheels now, as I just got a new full set for my wagon. Was going to run the spare set on my VX when it isn't running the drag wheels.

So did anyone ever have any success with getting a set of wheel nuts that are more suited to the application?

Anyone else have anything constructive to add about putting VE wheels on a VX?

[Evman]

I've heard rumours, but nothing confirmed, that the standard Holden wheel nuts have a larger "cone" than after market wheel nuts, this giving a larger contact area on the VE rim. I have a set of SSV's that will be going on my car soon so I'd be interested to know if anyone can confirm if this is true or not.

[stumps57L]

When i installed mine i used the standard 19mm (nut size)? bolts and the wheels stayed on for 1 year with no issues.

[Evman]

If you have any faith in after market rims don't read this;

This arvo I decided to finish off the SSV rims I have and test fit each one. The first thing I noticed was how rusted the spigot was. After I got one SSV rim correct I got the vernier calliper out and measured the centre bored diameter and came up with 69.5mm. I really don't know how accurate that is so it's not gospel by any means. Just out of curiosity I measured the Advanti rim bore as well...

73mm... A quick fit up confirmed that there is a decent amount of nothingness between the spigot and the rim bore.

Now this means one of two things. The studs are in fact really quite strong on these cars, or, I've been very lucky in the last 2.5 years I've had these rims :lol: Needless to say I'm not impressed.

Anyway, I took some pics of my after market wheel nuts on the SSVs but cbf uploading at the moment. They certainly sink in more than I'd hoped, so I'll be very, very keen to hear any confirmation about larger OD wheel nuts. Once the rims are painted and have some tyres on them they'll be on in a flash :)

[GMHVNSS]

Original Holden VZ wheel nuts to suit alloy wheels are the way to go, I used them when I had SSV's on my old Thunder.

[Evman]

I've enquired about VZ wheel nuts, they're the same part number as pre-VZ.

[OzJavelin]

Now this means one of two things. The studs are in fact really quite strong on these cars, or, I've been very lucky in the last 2.5 years I've had these rims :lol: Needless to say I'm not impressed.

Probably a bit of both. I've had this issue with a lot of oddball, older cars running odd hub sizes. Typically aftermarket wheels seem to be machined to fit the biggest hub applicable, and required the studs to actually support the weight of the vehicle.

[19carmen]

yes you are correct - just the lip -I have put 19 inch VE SSV wheels on my VZ Adventra. I found a mag wheel place in Penrose (Auckland) who did it in an hour. The tyre dealer (Frank Allens) said they fitted real well and said he saw no issues at all fitting them.

[evl.346]

i had to do this to my supersports to get them to fit to my vy
not sure if anyone has mentioned it here as i have never looked through the whole thing.
but i got a router and a flush cutter which is basically a straight cutter with a bearing on the bottom.
stick it in the hole so to speak and zip around the diameter. all four wheels done perfectly in less than 5 mins once set up. very easy and straight forward.
also not everybody has access to a router and the cutter but that was just the easiest and simpliest method i could think of and fits perfectly nice and snug over the spiggot.

cheers...

[11SLI]

if everyone is so concerned about wheel nuts, it must be that people havent even been looking into the case further...
Why would you waste money getting CNC'd wheel nuts etc when "most" people that have the VE wheels on VT-VZ have now sourced and found that the 2004 onward Ford Focus wheel nuts the best to use as they are the same size nut/thread as the VT-VZ but have the longer "acorn" style nut as people put it...

[bad88u]

I've heard rumours, but nothing confirmed, that the standard Holden wheel nuts have a larger "cone" than after market wheel nuts, this giving a larger contact area on the VE rim. I have a set of SSV's that will be going on my car soon so I'd be interested to know if anyone can confirm if this is true or not.

this is correct.

[dunny]

Have been looking at a set of VE SSV 19" rims for my VX SS. My question, does anyone know if the tyres from the VE SSV rims which are 245/40 19 will go straight onto a VX without rubbing.

Most wheel places such as Wheel King seem to fit 245/35 19 if they are going onto a pre VE.

The problem is I can get new rims with 40 series tyres for quite cheap, but don't want to get them machined and fitted only to find them rubbing? Also Holmart had a set of tyres 245/40 19 for sale with a note to say they are not suitable for pre VE cars.

Does anyone have any info? Would be much appreciated.

[OPTIMUS]

Have been looking at a set of VE SSV 19" rims for my VX SS. My question, does anyone know if the tyres from the VE SSV rims which are 245/40 19 will go straight onto a VX without rubbing.

Most wheel places such as Wheel King seem to fit 245/35 19 if they are going onto a pre VE.

The problem is I can get new rims with 40 series tyres for quite cheap, but don't want to get them machined and fitted only to find them rubbing? Also Holmart had a set of tyres 245/40 19 for sale with a note to say they are not suitable for pre VE cars.

Does anyone have any info? Would be much appreciated.

They are too big they will rub on the front strut and have rear issues too i would expect, may get away with it on front with coilovers and guard rolling.

[dunny]

They are too big they will rub on the front strut and have rear issues too i would expect, may get away with it on front with coilovers and guard rolling.

Thanks for the fast reply. I suspected something like this. Will have to get some 35 series tyres.

[BOSSVY]

Hey thanks for that info, ive been trying for ages to find a set of "nuts" with a bigger taper.
Anybody care to swap me a set of VY SS rims for my VE ss ones, tyres and rims have done 3000klm so like new, only catch is u have to be in the NTH QLD area to make this happen.( i live in Atherton)

Trev

ive got vy ss rims id swap for your ve rims no dramas !!! pls tell me yours are the supersports ones ??!!!

glad i stumbled on this thread coz ive been looking for ve supersports for a while and wouldnt of known any better

[lumina ss]

I ran VE ss wheels on my adventura for 4 years, origionally with holden wheel nuts, but i found the contact surface was so small simple time led to damage to the alloy. I fitted ford focus nuts with the same contact surface area as the ve nuts, and inbuilt washer. Instant success

[feistl]

ive got vy ss rims id swap for your ve rims no dramas !!! pls tell me yours are the supersports ones ??!!!

glad i stumbled on this thread coz ive been looking for ve supersports for a while and wouldnt of known any better

Trying not to be the bearer of bad news, but that guy posted that back in 2009, i dare say he has found a set by now.

+2 points for thread dig. :)

[Teal]

Just to add a couple of questions to this thread;

I'm selling my old advati volt rims off my VE, currently the main guy interested in them wants to put them onto a VS ute. Now its obvious that the center hub in the rims need to be machined down to fit onto the VS center hub. Does anyone have any suggestions on where in Perth would be a good place for him to get this done?

I guess the other question is is the difference between a VE to VS too different or is everything pretty much the same from VN-VZ?

[IJ.]

Just to add a couple of questions to this thread;

I'm selling my old advati volt rims off my VE, currently the main guy interested in them wants to put them onto a VS ute. Now its obvious that the center hub in the rims need to be machined down to fit onto the VS center hub. Does anyone have any suggestions on where in Perth would be a good place for him to get this done?

I guess the other question is is the difference between a VE to VS too different or is everything pretty much the same from VN-VZ?

Most aftermarket wheels use removable rings to fit different size hubs.

[Teal]

So its possible its a bit like a bearing and can be pressed out?


Edit hahaha... nice one bit of WD40 and pop out it comes

[Evman]

Are you sure the hubs are too small? A lot of aftermarket rims have huge bores that don't sit on the hub anyway. If it's got a spacer in it then a hammer and a punch will get it out.

[tacka007]

Are you sure the hubs are too small? A lot of aftermarket rims have huge bores that don't sit on the hub anyway. If it's got a spacer in it then a hammer and a punch will get it out.

Yes you are rite Evan most aftermarket rims have larger bores as it doesn't matter as the spigot is not what holds the load it's clamping force and friction that holds wheel and wheel hub together as one unit. Most come with plastic rings that can be used they help with centering wheel perfect to keep wheel balanced