FG F6 1/4mile run

[VIXEN-T]

Great result!
12.16@114.77 Mph.
Completely stock aside from a tune and MT's

tuned by Elite performance

:bow:

[BUTE1]

awesome time, what sort of power is it making with just a tune??

[VIXEN-T]

awesome time, what sort of power is it making with just a tune??

307rwkw @ 14psi

[INTNSSV]

Heh, I opened this and looked at the time before I read anything... said 12:16... looked a the time 12.16 ! :rofl:

Nice time, these things are pretty darn quick! :bow:

[ROGRSS]

Geez looks like the blue oval has produced a weapon... I guess im gona need that cam after all lol

[DNO-55]

An FG F6 at Willowbank last night ran a 12.1 @ 116. Not sure on specs though. 60ft was hidious aswell :)

[vyssbeast]

No doubt an awesome effort for the $$ spent on mods...

So i am not knocking this in any way but does 114mph equate to 300+rwkw??

Not that i matters, the guy prob spent $1500 on a tune and put some MT's on and ran a low 12, thats an awesome package/effort regardless of rwkw/mph debate...

Auto or manual btw?

[VIXEN-T]

No doubt an awesome effort for the $$ spent on mods...

So i am not knocking this in any way but does 114mph equate to 300+rwkw??

Not that i matters, the guy prob spent $1500 on a tune and put some MT's on and ran a low 12, thats an awesome package/effort regardless of rwkw/mph debate...

Auto or manual btw?

yeh my best MPH is 113mph so far that was on a 27degree day and ive got just over 300rwkw so sounds about right.

i believe its an auto.

[Vulture]

Cripes! Those things are quick. A tune and MTs for a low 12! Shame they look naff otherwise I wouldn't mind one. top effort. There is an 11 there on a cool night.

[RED R8]

mmm very impressive I could see myself in a black F6 with black wheels..these seem to be the best BFYB car around...

[boyley]

yeh my best MPH is 113mph so far that was on a 27degree day and ive got just over 300rwkw so sounds about right.

i believe its an auto.

My MPH is 113 also but I have no idea of power.

[nang3]

No doubt an awesome effort for the $$ spent on mods...

So i am not knocking this in any way but does 114mph equate to 300+rwkw??

Not that i matters, the guy prob spent $1500 on a tune and put some MT's on and ran a low 12, thats an awesome package/effort regardless of rwkw/mph debate...

Auto or manual btw?

prolly more like $800 nowadays, the flash tuners are about $395 i think...

farken great time either way.. i think it ran a 12.4 on stock standard street tyres with the same tune

[Bazz]

Nice time there. Sounds like they are a good base to start from.

I wouldn't worry about the power it made on the dyno. 217rwkw from my car for 111mph... Bet a few people are upset that their 280rwkw car ran 113mph only!

[SICK SS]

307rwkw @ 14psi

thought stock boost was 13psi could be wrong good effort anyway

[FANG IT 350]

i thaught with that sort of rwkw ud be pulling a better time than that:confused:

[Ghosn]

Great result!
12.16@114.77 Mph.
Completely stock aside from a tune and MT's

tuned by Elite performance

:bow:

Any pics of the car in question?

[boyley]

Nice time there. Sounds like they are a good base to start from.

I wouldn't worry about the power it made on the dyno. 217rwkw from my car for 111mph... Bet a few people are upset that their 280rwkw car ran 113mph only!

And the full story is?

Diff, stall??

[VIXEN-T]

i thaught with that sort of rwkw ud be pulling a better time than that:confused:

dont forget its still got a stock auto stock stallie stock diff gears. All that is done is a tune power figures dont mean much on the track if the car isnt set up for it. anyway i dont think 12.1 is a bad time at all for about $800 of mods :)


sorry Ghosn no pics yet ill try to get some.

[STATIE]

Good time for the mods - bit slow considering the power though.

[Abdula Butcher]

These cars are not light and was not stripped out this is real full street trim with M/T radials.....also done 12.4 on factory tyres.
1900 kg;s with driver and half a tank of fuel on a 1.88-60 foot with under $900 of mods.... outstanding.:)

[KAL SPL]

$900 of mods on a 60-70K car , what are these things worth new ?

[6LS2]

$900 of mods on a 60-70K car , what are these things worth new ?

You can get one for about 65-70 brand new..

12.1 for a tune only is bloody mental..

I'd love to see a VE GTS ( which cost much more then a FG F6 ) get anything close to that with a tune only

[Evman]

I'd love to see a VE GTS ( which cost much more then a FG F6 ) get anything close to that with a tune only

I'd love to see an FG F6...

:hide:

[SICK SS]

steping around this question is 14 psi stock boost?

[jws]

These cars are not light and was not stripped out this is real full street trim with M/T radials.....also done 12.4 on factory tyres.
1900 kg;s with driver and half a tank of fuel on a 1.88-60 foot with under $900 of mods.... outstanding.:)

I'm a Holden man through and though but have to take my hat off to the new f6's, they are an awsome piece of work. 1.88 60ft is not so hot, tell me the turbo is takin a while to spool and car isn't launching so well. If this time could be brought down with either gears or stall maybe even a small shot of laughing gas these f6's would be straight into the 11's. How good would that be - Tune and small shot of gas = $1500-$2000 = 11 second pass.

[VIXEN-T]

the tuner seems to think it has even more in it so maybe with a nice cool night and a bit of racing fuel it can break 11s without doing anything else to it. :bow:

[Quadcams]

No doubt an awesome effort for the $$ spent on mods...

So i am not knocking this in any way but does 114mph equate to 300+rwkw??

Not that i matters, the guy prob spent $1500 on a tune and put some MT's on and ran a low 12, thats an awesome package/effort regardless of rwkw/mph debate...

Auto or manual btw?
Didn't cost him anything for the tune, the owner tuned it himself, Paul for Elite Automotive. Quiet a good tuner, he's getting good results in all the different Ford models.

Running the ZF 6sp auto it would be interesting if they could run a stall, as they havent crack the softwear and can only run std stall, some of the quickest BF F6 with the 6sp auto are running 10.8@132 and the 60' only in the 1.8's, dam impressive.

[WLDLS1]

the tuner seems to think it has even more in it so maybe with a nice cool night and a bit of racing fuel it can break 11s without doing anything else to it. :bow:

when is it running again. would like to see the times it runs. gee 114mph is very low for that pwr. i have seen early ones at calder run 12.40s around 120+ mph. you sure the mph is right. those things usually make big mph.
great time though and well done.
my vy n/a has less pwr than that and runs 119mph all day every day and 11.54 passes. let us know when its out. would love to check it out.

[Abdula Butcher]

I'm a Holden man through and though but have to take my hat off to the new f6's, they are an awsome piece of work. 1.88 60ft is not so hot, tell me the turbo is takin a while to spool and car isn't launching so well. If this time could be brought down with either gears or stall maybe even a small shot of laughing gas these f6's would be straight into the 11's. How good would that be - Tune and small shot of gas = $1500-$2000 = 11 second pass.

As quadcams said we have no software for our ZF Auto, this means no stalls and firm shifting, we have only recently been able to boost of the line by tricking the engine management, but this puts major stress on the driveline and guys are twisting tail shafts in half before they get of the line.
As for diff gears I know no who has played with them we all use factory 2.73 ratio, if we were to change diff gears we would have to manual shift the auto all the time, as the auto would not work properly as we have no software for our zf auto.
2.73 ratio not so bad, my F6 run 10.80@131mph with that ratio with a Ford factory engine, factory turbo, both manifolds and auto all being factory except for Crow valve springs, the ford valve springs gave up at 340rwkw.
Also used Martini fuel, MY car was driven by another member here CSV_LS1 his F6 done the same thing 10.89@132 vids on youtube if your interested.

[HYMEY]

307rwkw @ 14psi

Is 14psi stock on a F6?


As quadcams said we have no software for our ZF Auto, this means no stalls and firm shifting, we have only recently been able to boost of the line by tricking the engine management, but this puts major stress on the driveline and guys are twisting tail shafts in half before they get of the line.
As for diff gears I know no who has played with them we all use factory 2.73 ratio, if we were to change diff gears we would have to manual shift the auto all the time, as the auto would not work properly as we have no software for our zf auto.
2.73 ratio not so bad, my F6 run 10.80@131mph with that ratio with a Ford factory engine, factory turbo, both manifolds and auto all being factory except for Crow valve springs, the ford valve springs gave up at 340rwkw.
Also used Martini fuel, MY car was driven by another member here CSV_LS1 his F6 done the same thing 10.89@132 vids on youtube if your interested.
Nice work. I was contemplating getting an F6. but out of my price range.

There is one from Willowbank area. He has forged internals and T51R turbo custom plenum. It was making 480rwkw on 16psi pump fuel. They wound it up to 30 psi on race fuel and it split the intake. Was driving of et radials. I watched him nail it down the road turned them to butter. Then the guys mrs turned up in a xr6 turbo aswell which runs 12s apparantly too.

[Bazz]

And the full story is?

Diff, stall??

Stock 3.73's, M6, tuned by chipmaster for the 217.

From reading the posts, looks like there are a few hurdles stopping this thing going faster. But if they can be sorted could be a real weapon.

[WLDLS1]

Stock 3.73's, M6, tuned by chipmaster for the 217.

From reading the posts, looks like there are a few hurdles stopping this thing going faster. But if they can be sorted could be a real weapon.

if they sort it it will be more than a weapon. i have to say those things are bloody awsome.
good luck guys.

[boyley]

Saw a new black F6 yesterday, black wheels, looked quite menacing:eeeeek:

[SICK SS]

Is 14psi stock on a F6?


.

he keeps steeping around that question cant call every thing stock besides the tune if he ups the boost aswell. If he ups the boost and tunes it its going to run a quicker time

[boyley]

he keeps steeping around that question cant call every thing stock besides the tune if he ups the boost aswell. If he ups the boost and tunes it its going to run a quicker time

Stock is 10PSI. Apparently the drive lines are quite fragile in the Fords?

[JimmyXR6T04]

he keeps steeping around that question cant call every thing stock besides the tune if he ups the boost aswell. If he ups the boost and tunes it its going to run a quicker time

increasing the boost is part of the tune :confused: or have i mis-read what you're trying to say? Do you expect turbo cars to be tuned without adding boost? and by adding boost, you can no longer say it's stock besides a tune?

In this case, it's a stock car that has been tuned :confused: not sure what's so confusing.. Everything is still stock except the tune, nothing has been changed, and it can easily be flashed back to standard.. sounds pretty stock IMO..

[SICK SS]

increasing the boost is part of the tune :confused: or have i mis-read what you're trying to say? Do you expect turbo cars to be tuned without adding boost? and by adding boost, you can no longer say it's stock besides a tune?

In this case, it's a stock car that has been tuned :confused: not sure what's so confusing.. Everything is still stock except the tune, nothing has been changed, and it can easily be flashed back to standard.. sounds pretty stock IMO..

ok i thought you could tune it with out addng more boost but if you cant then fair enough

[Penko]

Stock is 10PSI. Apparently the drive lines are quite fragile in the Fords?

Stock is 13.3psi in the new F6's and then drops to around 10psi higher in the rev range. From what i have been told and could be completly wrong is that the tune increases the boost to around 14psi and holds it there all the way through the rev range, instead of dropping off.

Cheers.

[JimmyXR6T04]

ok i thought you could tune it with out addng more boost but if you cant then fair enough

ah ok, i see where you're coming from.. i'm sure you can tune it without adding boost, like lean out the afrs a bit more, but there isn't much point in just doing that.. might as well crank the boost a bit too, and get the most out of the tune.

[boyley]

Stock is 13.3psi in the new F6's and then drops to around 10psi higher in the rev range. From what i have been told and could be completly wrong is that the tune increases the boost to around 14psi and holds it there all the way through the rev range, instead of dropping off.

Cheers.

OK that makes sense I suppose, so the turbo is capable of 14psi without effecting much else then? After all its only 1 bar aint it.

[vxleather]

there is purple Xr6T in Mackay running a 10.44 i am not sure of the MPH.... It has a stock bottom end but a bit of moding in the intercoler, turbo, tune etc etc... pretty sure no stally or adjustments in that way though...

and a link to a Phoon running flat 12's with a tuen and injectors only

http://www.cruisingmackay.com/ipb/index.php?s=&showtopic=10512&view=findpost&p=184558

[Ghosn]

Can the car run every day with this sort of tune and PSI? Is it daily driver friendly?

[1111111]

there is purple Xr6T in Mackay running a 10.44 i am not sure of the MPH.... It has a stock bottom end but a bit of moding in the intercoler, turbo, tune etc etc... pretty sure no stally or adjustments in that way though...

and a link to a Phoon running flat 12's with a tuen and injectors only

http://www.cruisingmackay.com/ipb/index.php?s=&showtopic=10512&view=findpost&p=184558

That's Dave from CPV,T51R on 6boost manifold,C9 box,fastest stock internal xr6T,one of the best tuners for the fords in oz.

[VW Golf R32]

There will be a run on the I6Ts in 2009 before it goes out of production. I am seriously thinking of getting one of the last and fastest Falcons for keeps.

[boyley]

Have to admit, its one vehicle I would own, actually its the only Ford maybe apart from a GT40 that I'd like, ok maybe a phase 3 ho:)

[JimmyXR6T04]

Can the car run every day with this sort of tune and PSI? Is it daily driver friendly?

with 14psi and tune only?? It'll run all day every day, and you won't even notice it's modded until you plant the foot!!

Of course it'll depend on the tune, and how well it's tuned.

My XR was modded with 15psi, plus a few other bolt ons, and was my daily driver..

[Leppy]

there is purple Xr6T in Mackay running a 10.44 i am not sure of the MPH.... It has a stock bottom end but a bit of moding in the intercoler, turbo, tune etc etc... pretty sure no stally or adjustments in that way though...

and a link to a Phoon running flat 12's with a tuen and injectors only

http://www.cruisingmackay.com/ipb/index.php?s=&showtopic=10512&view=findpost&p=184558

Hi All,
thats a quick time for a stock FG F6 - but as many have said the mph is a little low. Should be good to see the times when you get it up to 117 to 118mph with that sort of rear wheel grunt.

Dave Sheehy from CPV has run 10.44 @ 132mph (60 foot of 1.68) on a totally stock bottom end BA XR6T. He does have 6boost manifold, custom 4" exhaust, T51R, 2800rpm stally, C4 auto, stock diff gears, 425rwkw's and 17psi boost. We were amazed that it held together as the BA motors aren't renouned for their longevity with this sort of power. He has an atomic motor about to go in, and he wants to run 9's in a full weight, stock looking car. He drives this car every day of the week, but has been forced to rollcage it.....
He laughs about wanting to be kicked off for not having a parachute..... He has 8mph to go to achieve that one :)

Dave also tunes by BF R-Spec Typhoon. Dead stock car - added 60psi injectors, CPV tune and MT's, (296rwkw's) and ran a best of 12.005 @ 117mph - 60 foot time 1.78. I ended up breaking a CV joint on the night and couldnt get that 11.....

I have just purchased a FPV F6X also - I had a Turbo Territory Ghia prior to this, and Dave and I put a Process West intercooler on it (stage 3 kit), 60 psi injectors, 3.5" cat, debunged the exhaust and tune it, (296awkw's :) ) and we went 12.5 @110mph - spinning the 1st 2 gears..... Shame we cant get traction easily with a 4wd :( Look out for some quicker times soon from the F6X.

These Ford 6's are definately a force to be reckoned with - with the right know how and tuner.

Cheers
Leppy

[HYMEY]

I will find out who owns the one with 480kw at 16 psi on pump. He is a customer of scotts rods. I'll send Scott an email and see if I can get some quarter times.

http://www.fullboost.com.au/video.php?id=433

This one g-tech is pretty mad. They sound stonger on the bottom then the RBs with weight holding the xr6 back more than anything.


There will be a run on the I6Ts in 2009 before it goes out of production. I am seriously thinking of getting one of the last and fastest Falcons for keeps.

All xr turbo inline sixes out of production??

[SICK SS]

all I6 will be out of production

[VW Golf R32]

All xr turbo inline sixes out of production??

Have you been under a rock?

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/F59C3BD4178E04C3CA25731C0016FFC8

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/D70418D6C7CB6EAECA257322001B8807

[SV346]

Maybe the fords are going the right way about it and turboing the 8's instead in the future...

[Dee Jay]

increasing the boost is part of the tune :confused: or have i mis-read what you're trying to say? Do you expect turbo cars to be tuned without adding boost? and by adding boost, you can no longer say it's stock besides a tune?

In this case, it's a stock car that has been tuned :confused: not sure what's so confusing.. Everything is still stock except the tune, nothing has been changed, and it can easily be flashed back to standard.. sounds pretty stock IMO..Umm yes you can tune a car without adding boost.:1peek:
but if you can add the boost throught the tune how are you doing that?
By tune you are not just talking through the PCM you are also adjusting the waste gates?
Can they be adjusted from stock or do you add hard ware to allow you to do so?

[VYSLED]

mmm I could see myself in a black F6 with black wheels..these seem to be the best BFYB car around...

WASH YOUR MOUTH OUT!

[highlander_69r]

nice result indeed.

I think id rather the F6 then a HSV.

I wouldnt touch a GT but

[ratter]

Can they be adjusted from stock or do you add hard ware to allow you to do so?


The wastegate is controled by the ECU and it can be adjusted by the tuning software. any external mods to the wastegate will cause an overboost shutdown by the ECU.

On the BA's and BF's, we can normally tune up to 12-13 psi in the lower part of the tune and then maybe 9-11 psi up top, so will normally fit a stronger actuator to control more boost, but it has to be controlled by the software.

[Dee Jay]

Yep thanks for that, but to get around 14psi seemed quite an achievement just from the ECU.

Good numbers though.

[jaykay]

I'd love to see an FG F6...

:hide:
Look here Evman.... :)

Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=106294)

[Abdula Butcher]

Stock is 13.3psi in the new F6's and then drops to around 10psi higher in the rev range. From what i have been told and could be completly wrong is that the tune increases the boost to around 14psi and holds it there all the way through the rev range, instead of dropping off.

Cheers.

FG XR6T has smaller turbo internals (wheels) they run the higher boost, FG F6 is not running 13 psi from factory...

[VIXEN-T]

Saw a new black F6 yesterday, black wheels, looked quite menacing:eeeeek:

did it look a bit like this? :bow:

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w168/XRDOSE/mj9zc0.jpg

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w168/XRDOSE/2zf3aqq.jpg

[Dee Jay]

Not a fan of the black with the Dark grey plastic inserts on the front bumper it looks unfinished.

[Ghosn]

Not a fan of the black with the Dark grey plastic inserts on the front bumper it looks unfinished.

HSV is guilty of that too :)

[Dee Jay]

Like i said not a fan of the black with the dark grey plastic, no matter what car!
They look good in Orange, mmmm is that because orange is close to LEMON ?? :fishing:

[DALER]

I was there last night and the white f6 auto did a 11.53 and was told to be carefull so his 60ft was nowhere, it's a f'n quick car.

[VIXEN-T]

Not a fan of the black with the Dark grey plastic inserts on the front bumper it looks unfinished.


yeh i dont like the racoon look much either but it can easily be fixed.....bit of photoshopping and WALA!

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w168/XRDOSE/FG_typhoon_colour_coded_lowered.jpg

[BadSeed]

you'd want it to have something going for it when it looks like that :)

[VIXEN-T]

you'd want it to have something going for it when it looks like that :)

:rofl:
dont worry thats just the front! the back looks even better....thats all u would get to see of it anyway.:)

[Dee Jay]

:rofl:
dont worry thats just the front! the back looks even better....thats all u would get to see of it anyway.:)yeah as im following the tilt tray thats taking it home :booty:

[VIXEN-T]

yeah as im following the tilt tray thats taking it home :booty:

:lol:ye needs a tilt tray coz its a 9 second monster!!! :jester:

[F6Mauz]

Just painting it improves the look. Keeping the lines on the bumper helps it look i think.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee233/f6mauz/08fpv_f6_sedan-122copy.jpg

[Dee Jay]

:lol:ye needs a tilt tray coz its a 9 second monster!!! :jester::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:What with Fords tooth pick drive train!!!!:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:


Does look better painted and with the lines from the panels left in place.

[VIXEN-T]

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:What with Fords tooth pick drive train!!!!:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao:




theres already 3x 9sec and 28x 10sec XR6ts recorded :whip:

drivetrain cant be that bad :)

[Penko]

I was there last night and the white f6 auto did a 11.53 and was told to be carefull so his 60ft was nowhere, it's a f'n quick car.

New or old, what mods

[clubbie]

Paint is a wonderful thing.

Now thats better...

[F6dis]

i was just reading new wheels mag..

they put the F6 up against the r35 gtr and the gt2 porsche..with ed ordinski the driver..
he was very impressed by the f6...:)

that is a great time mate..for just a tune and away you go..few little tricks shell be doing low 11s:goodjob:

[ROGRSS]

GTR35 11.3 vs F6 12.9.... GOOD but not good enough :P

[mustanger]

The Nov 08 Wheels Magazine has the F6 doing 13.5 sec for the 1/4 . :hide:

[BLOHN6L]

piss off holden forum w4ANKER

[CarlFST60L]

theres already 3x 9sec and 28x 10sec XR6ts recorded :whip:

drivetrain cant be that bad :)

28 10 second XR6t? I remeber when there where 3. I wonder how many of these claim 10 second because "someone with the same mod's ran 10's so mine must", bit like Tone and his TT GTS :lol:

[Vulture]

28 10 second XR6t? I remeber when there where 3. I wonder how many of these claim 10 second because "someone with the same mod's ran 10's so mine must", bit like Tone and his TT GTS :lol:

Too right, let's see all those 10s timeslips!

[310gen]

There are two from G-Tech Performance down here in Melbourne that run consistent 9.6 and 9.7 passes.The yellow xr6 of Bill runs 9.6 and Carmen owns the purple one which runs 9.7. Both have been out at Calder and Heathcote recently un-tubbed.

[Quadcams]

There are two from G-Tech Performance down here in Melbourne that run consistent 9.6 and 9.7 passes.The yellow xr6 of Bill runs 9.6 and Carmen owns the purple one which runs 9.7. Both have been out at Calder and Heathcote recently un-tubbed.
Awsome effort fellas, I heared about those two cars, well done.

[FOON]

28 10 second XR6t? I remeber when there where 3. I wonder how many of these claim 10 second because "someone with the same mod's ran 10's so mine must", bit like Tone and his TT GTS :lol:

Sounds like a lot of LS1 owners around Adelaide :flipoff:

[VIXEN-T]

28 10 second XR6t? I remeber when there where 3. I wonder how many of these claim 10 second because "someone with the same mod's ran 10's so mine must", bit like Tone and his TT GTS :lol:

9 Second Group

1. VIC Blagojce & Vele Trajkovski/Gtech, PET Modifications BA XR6 Sedan Calder Park 9.64 143
2. VIC Karman Parente/Gtech, PET Modifications BA XR6 Sedan Calder Park 9.70 145.1
3. VIC Adam Hargrave/TBC812/HP-F BA XR6 Sedan Heathcote Park 9.981 144.05

10 Second Group

4. QLD Steven Leerentveld/YEL57/R.D.P BA XR6 Ute Willowbank 10.12 133.61
5. VIC Dion Amato/GMKILR/Dynomite BA XR6 Ute Heathcote Park 10.222 136.49
6. NSW Phillip Chain/CYC06T/T.R.P BA XR6 Sedan W.S.I.D 10.308 133.12
7. QLD David Sheehy/775GXV/Collinsville BA XR6 Sedan Palmyra 10.445 132.08
8. NSW Spiro Anton/APF81N/CV Performance BA XR6 Sedan W.S.I.D 10.449 134.75
9. NSW Leigh Whittaker/DUZ360/CV Performance BA XR6 Ute 10.459 132.69
10. WA Darren Boland/X.F.T BA XR6 Sedan Perth Motorplex 10.511 133.53
11. QLD Kent Battle/DUS12/Collinsville BA XR6 Ute Palmyra 10.55 128
12. VIC Dave Hanna/MYXRT/HP-F BA XR6 Sedan Heathcote Park 10.587 130.43
13. VIC Craig Geeson/GEEA33/HP-F BA XR6 Sedan Heathcote Park 10.688 128.28
14. NSW Pete/STD10S/CV Performance BA XR6 Sedan W.S.I.D 10.77
15. NSW John Elfes, George Reyahem/RBR40L/CV Performance BA XR6 Sedan W.S.I.D 10.7
16. VIC Mark Hamilton/F6FORD/Autotech BF F6 Sedan Calder Park 10.80 130.93
17. VIC Mick/Nizpro BA XR6 Sedan Calder Park 10.80 127
18. QLD Lee Dalton/240NOT/Elite BA XR6 Ute Willowbank 10.85 126
19. VIC Lawrie Rowatt/HP-F BA XR6 Sedan Calder Park 10.889 126.83
20. NSW John Papadopoulos/JP4666/Tunehouse BA XR6 Sedan W.S.I.D 10.88 125.5
21. VIC Mauz/Autotech BF F6 Sedan Calder Park 10.89 132.3
22. NSW Vic Elfes, Stan/AU97HA/CV Performance BA XR6 Sedan W.S.I.D 10.8
23. VIC Danny Nagy/Headsex BA XR6 Sedan Heathcote Park 10.900 126.94
24. NSW Vic Elfes, Junior/RJS240/CV Performance BA XR6 Sedan W.S.I.D 10.90 125.56
25. VIC Jake Statham/A.V.O BA XR6 Sedan Heathcote Park 10.914 126.02
26. NSW Geoff Booth/HAPKDO/Autotech BA XR6 Sedan W.S.I.D 10.933 123.88
27. WA Simon, Tom/X.F.T BF F6 Sedan Perth Motorplex 10.94 135
28. QLD David Sheehy/664HQZ/Collinsville BA XR6 Sedan Palmyra 10.952 124.64
29. NSW Mark/AXR19P/CV Performance BF F6 Sedan W.S.I.D 10.962 130.23

:)

[BLACK 346]

Sounds like a lot of LS1 owners around Adelaide :flipoff:

Easy tiger, high blood pressure can kill :)

[CarlFST60L]

9 Second Group

1. VIC Blagojce & Vele Trajkovski/Gtech, PET Modifications BA XR6 Sedan Calder Park 9.64 143
2. VIC Karman Parente/Gtech, PET Modifications BA XR6 Sedan Calder Park 9.70 145.1
3. VIC Adam Hargrave/TBC812/HP-F BA XR6 Sedan Heathcote Park 9.981 144.05

10 Second Group

4. QLD Steven Leerentveld/YEL57/R.D.P BA XR6 Ute Willowbank 10.12 133.61
5. VIC Dion Amato/GMKILR/Dynomite BA XR6 Ute Heathcote Park 10.222 136.49
6. NSW Phillip Chain/CYC06T/T.R.P BA XR6 Sedan W.S.I.D 10.308 133.12
7. QLD David Sheehy/775GXV/Collinsville BA XR6 Sedan Palmyra 10.445 132.08
8. NSW Spiro Anton/APF81N/CV Performance BA XR6 Sedan W.S.I.D 10.449 134.75
9. NSW Leigh Whittaker/DUZ360/CV Performance BA XR6 Ute 10.459 132.69
10. WA Darren Boland/X.F.T BA XR6 Sedan Perth Motorplex 10.511 133.53
11. QLD Kent Battle/DUS12/Collinsville BA XR6 Ute Palmyra 10.55 128
12. VIC Dave Hanna/MYXRT/HP-F BA XR6 Sedan Heathcote Park 10.587 130.43
13. VIC Craig Geeson/GEEA33/HP-F BA XR6 Sedan Heathcote Park 10.688 128.28
14. NSW Pete/STD10S/CV Performance BA XR6 Sedan W.S.I.D 10.77
15. NSW John Elfes, George Reyahem/RBR40L/CV Performance BA XR6 Sedan W.S.I.D 10.7
16. VIC Mark Hamilton/F6FORD/Autotech BF F6 Sedan Calder Park 10.80 130.93
17. VIC Mick/Nizpro BA XR6 Sedan Calder Park 10.80 127
18. QLD Lee Dalton/240NOT/Elite BA XR6 Ute Willowbank 10.85 126
19. VIC Lawrie Rowatt/HP-F BA XR6 Sedan Calder Park 10.889 126.83
20. NSW John Papadopoulos/JP4666/Tunehouse BA XR6 Sedan W.S.I.D 10.88 125.5
21. VIC Mauz/Autotech BF F6 Sedan Calder Park 10.89 132.3
22. NSW Vic Elfes, Stan/AU97HA/CV Performance BA XR6 Sedan W.S.I.D 10.8
23. VIC Danny Nagy/Headsex BA XR6 Sedan Heathcote Park 10.900 126.94
24. NSW Vic Elfes, Junior/RJS240/CV Performance BA XR6 Sedan W.S.I.D 10.90 125.56
25. VIC Jake Statham/A.V.O BA XR6 Sedan Heathcote Park 10.914 126.02
26. NSW Geoff Booth/HAPKDO/Autotech BA XR6 Sedan W.S.I.D 10.933 123.88
27. WA Simon, Tom/X.F.T BF F6 Sedan Perth Motorplex 10.94 135
28. QLD David Sheehy/664HQZ/Collinsville BA XR6 Sedan Palmyra 10.952 124.64
29. NSW Mark/AXR19P/CV Performance BF F6 Sedan W.S.I.D 10.962 130.23

:)

awesome, thats what we like to see, the results speak for themselves.

[IH8HSV]

Last week at Motorplex auto FG F6 stock on factory dunlops ran 12.69 @ 177 kph with a 2.1 60ft :bow: she was wrapped, info from FF
Journos cant drive for sh1t:rofl:

[JimmyXR6T04]

all I6 will be out of production


Have you been under a rock?

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/F59C3BD4178E04C3CA25731C0016FFC8

http://www.goauto.com.au/mellor/mellor.nsf/story2/D70418D6C7CB6EAECA257322001B8807

Apparently ford are now going to keep the I6 in production.. Which is good news for all!!

[mustanger]

Apparently ford are now going to keep the I6 in production.. Which is good news for all!!

Just as well :jester:, it`s the only decent engine they have at the moment

[FireArc]

Last week at Motorplex auto FG F6 stock on factory dunlops ran 12.69 @ 177 kph with a 2.1 60ft :bow: she was wrapped, info from FF
Journos cant drive for sh1t:rofl:

I'll say. I was stunned when i saw this but given some of the times by the stock BF F6's it was only a matter of....time? lol

Good times to buy performance vehicles in Aus!!

[Vulture]

Apparently ford are now going to keep the I6 in production.. Which is good news for all!!

It is excellent news.

BTW, has anyone actually seen an FG F6 on the road? I still haven't seen a single one!

[HSVQUE]

BTW, has anyone actually seen an FG F6 on the road? I still haven't seen a single one!


yer i seen 1 the other night.. blew his doors off :p

[MrT]

It is excellent news.

BTW, has anyone actually seen an FG F6 on the road? I still haven't seen a single one!



Seen a few out there, even fewer GT's as they are just a weak automobile and for much less cash you can grab an LS3 clubby which is much better.

When I first bought my XR6T I swore I would always own a turbo charged Ford as the "bang for buck" element really cant be surpassed. I ended up selling my BA 04 T56 turbo with 350rwkw for 24k.... It only had 40k on the clock so I got a little more than I hoped for. But these cars you can pick up these days for 20k if you shop around. 600hp street car for 20k, kind of scary considerring thats how much I spent on my first car with no experience on the road.

So like I said great BFYB. But, once again, after owning one of these cars I would probably never purchase such a powerful turbo charged car for everyday use. My SSV is much less powerful but on the street really not a lot slower if at all. Having 600hp on street tyres the T simply couldnt get the power down and if it did it would be between 100-200km/h which is stupid. Not to mention the amount of money in maintanance and parts as these things do break alot.

So to sum up my point, these turbo Fords are fantastic and respond extremely well to very few mods, but is it something you should factor in when buying a new car? I didnt and I am over the moon with my new VE.

Thanks

Joel

[Vulture]

So to sum up my point, these turbo Fords are fantastic and respond extremely well to very few mods, but is it something you should factor in when buying a new car? I didnt and I am over the moon with my new VE.

Thanks

Joel

I saw a black FG XR6T accelerate from the lights recently. It sounded fantastic in its own turbo kind of way. Certainly seemed louder than stock. I nearly bought an F6 instead of the current GTS just for a change and haven't ruled it out for next time. Great that the inline6T is going to stay in production. You're right about BFYB; an exhaust and tune is getting crazy numbers in these 6T cars.

[seedyrom]

The following has nothing to do with turbos.



We've done a 3 weeks swap of our BF-II XR6, with someone who has an FG XT.

Both inline 6's, naturally aspirated.

I can't believe what a difference the next model along is - and the FG that we are driving at the moment is the povo taxi pack XT version.

I'm assuming that the electronic throttle has something to do with it, but the mid range torque increase is massive (SOTP measurement only).
That engine has come a long way from the old ugly days.

I am VERY impressed in its stock form, I can only imagine how good the F6 version is :bow:

[VIXEN-T]

Last week at Motorplex auto FG F6 stock on factory dunlops ran 12.69 @ 177 kph with a 2.1 60ft :bow: she was wrapped, info from FF
Journos cant drive for sh1t:rofl:

thats a crazy time for a stock car big difference from 13.5....maybe the journos needed to push the pedal all the way to the floor instead of half throttling it to please some people.

[ROGRSS]

Had a little run with my mate the other nite in his FG XR6 Turbo. His is bone stock with just a pod filter added. And acceleration from 2nd til midway through 4th was amazing. I may have slightly ever so slighty started to pull a little towards the end of 3rd and 4th but too close to really tell.

All i know is that if my car was stock with just a filter he would have handed me my ass. These new fords are quick.

[VIXEN-T]

Had a little run with my mate the other nite in his FG XR6 Turbo. His is bone stock with just a pod filter added. And acceleration from 2nd til midway through 4th was amazing. I may have slightly ever so slighty started to pull a little towards the end of 3rd and 4th but too close to really tell.

All i know is that if my car was stock with just a filter he would have handed me my ass. These new fords are quick.

was his car auto or manual?

[ROGRSS]

Manual... The throw in the Xr6T is alot shorter then mine too :bawl:

I want my RIP SHIFT NOW!!!!

[VIXEN-T]

and the autos are even quicker....wow...they are about 230rwkw stock so they do move very well.

[ROGRSS]

Accelerating from 2nd i dont think the auto could have been much quicker and are u sure the auto's are quicker in the FG's ?? I thought the Manual FG's with there launch control are now ????

Anyhow all i know is that there quick. I can believe 230rwkw stock would be on the money. Mines 253 rwkw and as i said i was ever so slowly pulling away.

What do you have VixenT ??? FG ?? or BF ???

[VIXEN-T]

the autos are definately quicker both off the line and rolling acceleration the ZF is just an awesome gearbox. They have however improved the manuals HEAPS from the T56 now they run the T6060.

Mines a BA 4sp auto.

[ROGRSS]

ahhh BA a little more lag then the FG's i think ??? But i know the FG's max out at around 290rwkw where as the BA/F's are around 310rwkw with stock turbo's. FG's are smaller helps boost come on quicker but max output not as good as the bigger BA/F's.

Heading to heathcote Drags in feb with my mate will be good to see how we line up together ;)

Fingers crossed the 6ltr will have too much torque down low and top end.

[VIXEN-T]

ahhh BA a little more lag then the FG's i think ??? But i know the FG's max out at around 290rwkw where as the BA/F's are around 310rwkw with stock turbo's. FG's are smaller helps boost come on quicker but max output not as good as the bigger BA/F's.

Heading to heathcote Drags in feb with my mate will be good to see how we line up together ;)

Fingers crossed the 6ltr will have too much torque down low and top end.

the FGs have smaller compressor wheels in the turbos than the BA/BF which gives them quicker spool and less lag but yeh u would imagine the potential of that turbo would be less than the bigger BA turbo....but then again no-one has pushed the FG turbo to its limit yet and BA turbos are good for up to 400rwkw.

[ROGRSS]

Ive been on the ford forums and it seems that the FG's max out at 290-300. With injectors, tune etc. Still 300rwkw without doing anything major, the 6ltr would be lucky to see 270rwkw without cam etc.

awesome potential in the turbo 6.. I would have one no doubt if my blood didnt have holden flowing through its veins lol

[VIXEN-T]

for a great aussie 6 turbo cant go past ford and for a great aussie(yank) V8 cant go past holden both great cars in their own respect. :bow:

[HSVQUE]

for a great aussie 6 turbo cant go past ford and for a great aussie(yank) V8 cant go past holden both great cars in their own respect. :bow:

To true Mate! The Ford V8 is just a bag of sh!t.. but if i wanted a turbo 6 i know where id be looking.

Rob

[nang3]

It is excellent news.

BTW, has anyone actually seen an FG F6 on the road? I still haven't seen a single one!

yeh i've seen plenty on the road, Ego (metallic gunmetal) with tint and dark wheels looks the shiznit !!!


yer i seen 1 the other night.. blew his doors off :p

haha in what?? not your VE Calais obviously?? unless your calais is modded?

[HSVQUE]

well its not stock.. that would be gay :limpy: :D

[Martin_D]

Heres something to consider, the dyno sheet from an FG F6 we tuned yesterday. This car was totally stock from the filter inlet to the exhaust tips, and when equipped with an $1100 Flash Tuner and dyno programming went from 258rwkw - 297rwkw. Amazing for a standard + tune car :bow:
http://www.ls1turbo.com.au/pics/f6dyno.jpg
Its alright to hate the car because its a Ford (FPV). Its alright to hate it because its ugly. Its even ok to hate these things because there is too much AU in the roofline. However dont hate them on performance grounds, as put into perspective and in terms of pure power, $60,000 F6 + $1,100 tuner box/tune > $160,000 W427
:eek:

[nang3]

damn thats impressive tuna !!!

what does a stock W427 pull down the quarter?? I know there was a thread on here about a tuned one pulling low 12's IIRC but i cant find any real world times on a stocker?

[highlander_69r]

bang for buck the f6 is prob the best car on the market. I just dont want to own a ford.

[HSVQUE]

Heres something to consider, the dyno sheet from an FG F6 we tuned yesterday. This car was totally stock from the filter inlet to the exhaust tips, and when equipped with an $1100 Flash Tuner and dyno programming went from 258rwkw - 297rwkw. Amazing for a standard + tune car :bow:
http://www.ls1turbo.com.au/pics/f6dyno.jpg
Its alright to hate the car because its a Ford (FPV). Its alright to hate it because its ugly. Its even ok to hate these things because there is too much AU in the roofline. However dont hate them on performance grounds, as put into perspective and in terms of pure power, $60,000 F6 + $1,100 tuner box/tune > $160,000 W427
:eek:

Man why go comparing to a w427? lets see what a w427 is worth in 30 years compared to a f6? comparing forced induction to n/a isnt really right.
Was this tune only or was it boosted? its a nice gain from a tune but anyone can boost up a car and make more power.

Rob

[Toddler78]

Man why go comparing to a w427? lets see what a w427 is worth in 30 years compared to a f6? comparing forced induction to n/a isnt really right.
Was this tune only or was it boosted? its a nice gain from a tune but anyone can boost up a car and make more power.

Rob

by the looks of it it was wound up to about 18psi, but at the end of the day he is right, plug in the tuner and wamo instant power.

I hate the fords-because of the easy power:bawl:

[PASHEN]

Tuna, thanks mate - that's perspective.

I just read the latest Top Gear magazine. The FG F6 won the best sports sedan category. The guys reckon its the best sports sedan on the planet under $100K. I've driven one on two seperate occasions and I have to agree.

You HSV guys should do yourselves a favour and take one for a spin. It wont cost you and there's plenty in stock - you'll see what all the fuss is about.

[CarlFST60L]

Tuna, thanks mate - that's perspective.

I just read the latest Top Gear magazine. The FG F6 won the best sports sedan category. The guys reckon its the best sports sedan on the planet under $100K. I've driven one on two seperate occasions and I have to agree.

You HSV guys should do yourselves a favour and take one for a spin. It wont cost you and there's plenty in stock - you'll see what all the fuss is about.

You should also take a GTS for spin. While it may not be as quick out of the box in a straight line, having driven both, I would still take the GTS.

[Vulture]

. However dont hate them on performance grounds, as put into perspective and in terms of pure power, $60,000 F6 + $1,100 tuner box/tune > $160,000 W427
:eek:

Bloody hell! I am jealous, most of us need a cam change + loud exhaust + intake mods + a heck of a lot more $ to make that kind of power. Absolutely sensational power there. They don't look great but I could learn to love it for other reasons - especially in black.

We are seeing the future. I wonder whether we will see 'low blow' forced induction become more common on low price V8s, particularly considering emission and economy demands? I thought I read somewhere Ford US were developing a twin turbo 5.0L V8?



You HSV guys should do yourselves a favour and take one for a spin. It wont cost you and there's plenty in stock - you'll see what all the fuss is about.

Might just do that and see what the fuss is about. Either way, whatever colour your cap, Australian performance enthusiasts have it good.

[STATIE]

If they wern't so damned ugly:spew: I'd buy one - definately the best bang for buck cars around.

[ratabro]

Must agree the f6 is some sort of machine and makes great power without spending allot of coin. Came close to buying one myself but spent the money on a blower for my vy ss. No regrets. Love the power and sound of the supercharger.

[arronm]

Unfortunatly for the holden boys 300 kw is just the start , throw a few more dollars at it and you can see 350, 380 and even 400 without even touching motor internals. I luv my F6 but I also enjoy driving my new sportwagon. At the moment I get lots of people speeding up to look at the wagon.( probably because they are so new).

[Martin_D]

Man why go comparing to a w427? lets see what a w427 is worth in 30 years compared to a f6? comparing forced induction to n/a isnt really right.

Best FPV make vs best HSV make, thats all the comparison was about.
They are remarkably similar in power and 'tuneability', just disparate in price :)
Who cares what either of them is worth in 30 years time. Not me :confused:

It would be like collecting meat pies. Its hot, eat the bloody thing now :lol:

[HSVQUE]

Tuna, thanks mate - that's perspective.

I just read the latest Top Gear magazine. The FG F6 won the best sports sedan category. The guys reckon its the best sports sedan on the planet under $100K. I've driven one on two seperate occasions and I have to agree.

You HSV guys should do yourselves a favour and take one for a spin. It wont cost you and there's plenty in stock - you'll see what all the fuss is about.


Good idea actually.. I might do that this week.. If they will let a 23yo drive one that is.. A friend has driven one recons traction off at 50k's plant the foot and it spins.. stock as a rock.. cool cars.. def the best ford at the moment Bar the G6ET..

But still anyone can buy a turbo car and boost it up and make more power its not that amazing.. The cool thing about the xr6t and phoons is more the fact that you can spend 5-10k only and make big power 400rwkw without really having to touch the motor or turbo..

But tuna comparing a f6 to a W427 is just silly.. Maybe hes just jealous he doesn't have one :D


Best FPV make vs best HSV make, thats all the comparison was about.
They are remarkably similar in power and 'tuneability', just disparate in price :)
Who cares what either of them is worth in 30 years time. Not me :confused:

It would be like collecting meat pies. Its hot, eat the bloody thing now :lol:

lol tune a 427 and u will make more than 300rwkw.. Best HSV Vs Best FPV? the 427 will be a cult classic.. real muscle car.. you cant just walk into a dealer and buy 1 like you can a f6.



Rob

[Martin_D]

Sorry, I dont fancy either car....I would take an LS3 Clubby and pocket change over both of them....or maybe stick with the Lada (its a Brock you know) :cool:
BUT if you scan FPVs passenger car list, the F6 is the quickest thing FPV make
have a look at HSVs list and the 427 is king of the heap :)
Nothing hard to understand there.....

[MrT]

The cool thing about the xr6t and phoons is more the fact that you can spend 5-10k only and make big power 400rwkw without really having to touch the motor or turbo..


Rob


Not really true. To get 400rwkw out of a Phoon you need a few turbo mods, which include a bugger exhaust housing. Also drive in drive out on say a Nizpro Stage 2 which will get you pretty close is more like 8-9k. Still great value, but then you have to look at your gearbox.

The stock ZF auto will shit itself and only a few have hit this mark reliably and lived to tell the tale. The T56 will take much more than this but you will need a pretty good clutch. The stock AP twin plate will slip or die very quickly. You will also start to break a lot of tale shafts and drive shafts will the amount of torque it will produce when launching. Getting to 350ish is cake even in a BA T getting to 400+ is a whole different story.

[HSVQUE]

As for the Lada i think you should of stuck with a VK SS.. Prob end up been worth alittle more :D

[bloosted]

It would be like collecting meat pies. Its hot, eat the bloody thing now :lol:[/QUOTE]


:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[HSVQUE]

Not really true. To get 400rwkw out of a Phoon you need a few turbo mods, which include a bugger exhaust housing. Also drive in drive out on say a Nizpro Stage 2 which will get you pretty close is more like 8-9k. Still great value, but then you have to look at your gearbox.

The stock ZF auto will shit itself and only a few have hit this mark reliably and lived to tell the tale. The T56 will take much more than this but you will need a pretty good clutch. The stock AP twin plate will slip or die very quickly. You will also start to break a lot of tale shafts and drive shafts will the amount of torque it will produce when launching. Getting to 350ish is cake even in a BA T getting to 400+ is a whole different story.

yeah and i said between 5-10k you can make close to 400rwkw with just the larger actuator and flapper mod done to the turbo and the rest of the gear dump,exhaust,cooler,piping, tune etc... which are minor inexpensive upgrades really to say the power u gain.. So how is what i said "not really true"? i know people are doing it without changing the exhaust housing.. or the inlet manifold..

[nang3]

Man why go comparing to a w427? lets see what a w427 is worth in 30 years compared to a f6? comparing forced induction to n/a isnt really right.
Was this tune only or was it boosted? its a nice gain from a tune but anyone can boost up a car and make more power.

Rob

I'd say leave comparing the values of the cars in 30 years to the economics and investment forums.. this is a site for performance car enthusiasts so the performance of 2 rival brands flagship cars are extremely relevant IMO.

I reckon the values of an FG F6 and W427 both pristine in 30 years will be reasonably similar.. i mean a $10k at the time GTHO is now worth probably what a 30k at the time porsche is worth nowadays yeh???? Current cost is not really indicative but the W427 will definitely be worth more because its a limited production run, but a pristine FG F6 will still hold its own (assuming its rare at the time and there arent 5000 average joe collectors) as it's the rival car that can keep up with it for $100k less !!

Ford vs Holden enthusiasts will still be around in the future keeping the prices up there for rare unmolested examples.

[Vulture]

I'd say leave comparing the values of the cars in 30 years to the economics and investment forums.. this is a site for performance car enthusiasts so the performance of 2 rival brands flagship cars are extremely relevant IMO.

I reckon the values of an FG F6 and W427 both pristine in 30 years will be reasonably similar.. i mean a $10k at the time GTHO is now worth probably what a 30k at the time porsche is worth nowadays yeh???? Current cost is not really indicative but the W427 will definitely be worth more because its a limited production run, but a pristine FG F6 will still hold its own (assuming its rare at the time and there arent 5000 average joe collectors) as it's the rival car that can keep up with it for $100k less !!

Ford vs Holden enthusiasts will still be around in the future keeping the prices up there for rare unmolested examples.

Sorry, but NO WAY! There will be a heck of a lot more FG F6s built than W427s...

[arronm]

If I had 150 grand to spend I sure wouldnt be looking at a W427 HOLDEN.

[FireArc]

Nissan R35 GTR FTW!

[Martin_D]

Nissan R35 GTR FTW!

Well yes an R35 GTR...its my daily...and yes...its FTW by a mile over these horrid things (even though I love them all) :cool:
However the Lada Brock spec does rule :bow:

[HSVQUE]

I'd say leave comparing the values of the cars in 30 years to the economics and investment forums.. this is a site for performance car enthusiasts so the performance of 2 rival brands flagship cars are extremely relevant IMO.

I reckon the values of an FG F6 and W427 both pristine in 30 years will be reasonably similar.. i mean a $10k at the time GTHO is now worth probably what a 30k at the time porsche is worth nowadays yeh???? Current cost is not really indicative but the W427 will definitely be worth more because its a limited production run, but a pristine FG F6 will still hold its own (assuming its rare at the time and there arent 5000 average joe collectors) as it's the rival car that can keep up with it for $100k less !!

Ford vs Holden enthusiasts will still be around in the future keeping the prices up there for rare unmolested examples.

Mate the FG phoon will be worth a fraction of the price of a w427 is in 30 years.. fair enough used w427s will fall to around 100k but then slowly go up.. like vn gpa's, vk gpa's.. etc.. if you think a typhoon is going to be anything close to a w427 is 30 years u need to stop smoking crackies lol

I can walk into a dealer tomorrow and drive home a phoon.. a w427 i cannot.

[nang3]

Mate the FG phoon will be worth a fraction of the price of a w427 is in 30 years.. fair enough used w427s will fall to around 100k but then slowly go up.. like vn gpa's, vk gpa's.. etc.. if you think a typhoon is going to be anything close to a w427 is 30 years u need to stop smoking crackies lol

I can walk into a dealer tomorrow and drive home a phoon.. a w427 i cannot.

and good crackies it was mwahaha..

nah i do agree, the W427 being a much more limited production should be worth more like i said "Current cost is not really indicative but the W427 will definitely be worth more because its a limited production run"

but i still think Typhoons will be worth a reasonable bit (for pristine ones and assuming there arent 1000000 floating around) in the future as they are undoubtably the performance kings of today and a modern classic, just like the XY GT's were.. even decent XY fakers are worth a fair bit nowadays..

[HSVQUE]

once the inline 6 goes they will hold there value better.. as the new motor will be a bucket of sh!t i reckon :D

No doubt typhoons will become somewhat of a cult car 1 day.

[highlander_69r]

once the inline 6 goes they will hold there value better.. as the new motor will be a bucket of sh!t i reckon :D

No doubt typhoons will become somewhat of a cult car 1 day.

i can see it now, the phoons will be the new vl turbos.....................lol

[MrT]

yeah and i said between 5-10k you can make close to 400rwkw with just the larger actuator and flapper mod done to the turbo and the rest of the gear dump,exhaust,cooler,piping, tune etc... which are minor inexpensive upgrades really to say the power u gain.. So how is what i said "not really true"? i know people are doing it without changing the exhaust housing.. or the inlet manifold..


Not trying to start an arguement but you did say 400rwkw without touching the engine or turbo. This is not true. You need to do a fair bit for the stock turbo to flow that well which does involve more than just a flapper and actuator mod.

I should know I had one lol. But in the end no matter how easy it is to get to 400rwkw, why would you? I sold my 350rwkw T because the power for a daily driven street car was just stupid. Rather scary actually to see how fast it would go from 100-200kms and not really have the handling or breaking power to deal with that kind of speed. Much happier with the ute even though it is a lot less fun at times. Blower might liven things up a bit though.

[VIXEN-T]

I sold my 350rwkw T because the power for a daily driven street car was just stupid. Rather scary actually to see how fast it would go from 100-200kms and not really have the handling or breaking power to deal with that kind of speed. Much happier with the ute even though it is a lot less fun at times. Blower might liven things up a bit though.

should have upgraded ur brakes and suspension to go with the power. Im running 300rwkw i just swapped my brakes from some slotted DBA disks with ferrodo formula pads stops good much better than factory but nowhere near as good as AP racing brakes or brembos would. Once i build my auto and get an exhaust should get me around 340-350rwkw then ill worry bout upgrading my brakes again. No point having big power when the car isnt capable of handling it.

[HSVQUE]

Not trying to start an arguement but you did say 400rwkw without touching the engine or turbo. This is not true. You need to do a fair bit for the stock turbo to flow that well which does involve more than just a flapper and actuator mod.

I should know I had one lol. But in the end no matter how easy it is to get to 400rwkw, why would you? I sold my 350rwkw T because the power for a daily driven street car was just stupid. Rather scary actually to see how fast it would go from 100-200kms and not really have the handling or breaking power to deal with that kind of speed. Much happier with the ute even though it is a lot less fun at times. Blower might liven things up a bit though.

Maybe the car was to much for you to handle.. fair enough some people like having fast cars.. a mate of mine has a typhoon with high 300's and i think its pretty tame on the street.. just depends what you perceive as tame though.

Give me a decent set of radials and ill drive a 500rwkw car everyday lol


i can see it now, the phoons will be the new vl turbos.....................lol

Typhoons and XR6 turbos will be the new VL Turbos no doubt at all.. Its already Begun.. wait untill there abit cheaper and it will be even worse.

Rob

[nang3]

Maybe the car was to much for you to handle.. fair enough some people like having fast cars.. a mate of mine has a typhoon with high 300's and i think its pretty tame on the street.. just depends what you perceive as tame though.

Give me a decent set of radials and ill drive a 500rwkw car everyday lol



Typhoons and XR6 turbos will be the new VL Turbos no doubt at all.. Its already Begun.. wait untill there abit cheaper and it will be even worse.

Rob

you reckon a high 300rwkw typhoon is tame on the street? I guess in terms of driveability it is very tame, unless you put the boot in it will behave exactly like a stocker.
But drive one with an aggressive tune and high power and it will be spinning into next week in every gear at any speed.
Ive only driven a 330rwkw XR6T ute and that was perfect and docile at normal driving, anything over about 2500rpm in 1/2/3 and it was torching the rears in the dry.. easy to drive tho..

id say it comes down to the tune..

[CarlFST60L]

you reckon a high 300rwkw typhoon is tame on the street? I guess in terms of driveability it is very tame, unless you put the boot in it will behave exactly like a stocker.
But drive one with an aggressive tune and high power and it will be spinning into next week in every gear at any speed.
Ive only driven a 330rwkw XR6T ute and that was perfect and docile at normal driving, anything over about 2500rpm in 1/2/3 and it was torching the rears in the dry.. easy to drive tho..

id say it comes down to the tune..

See, to me, that what I dont like about them, especially if you have people you dont know driving it, or the wife etc.

My 300kwrw R8 will not spin even in first unless coxed, it quite happily gets full power to the ground any gear, even 1st at 7000rpm. Even ~350kwrw VE's, will get it all down, with the exception that the top of 1st gear, then with 400kwrw it will fry 2nd (havnt had the pleasure of 3rd gear WOT with 400kwrw yet). Obviously, if you want it to you can fry 1st, 2nd, 3rd, but thats not really my thing.

I guess this is why I have toasted a few very quick 6T's to 120km/h :)

[Resetar]

Must admit these Ford Turbo Cars are fast but it only costs $9000 or less for a twin turbo kit for a ls1/ls3 witch are geting low 10,S. One even got a 9.8
even APS has bolted on one on a new gts on got 429rwkw these are easy street driveable and with every thing stock including the tyres

[nang3]

See, to me, that what I dont like about them, especially if you have people you dont know driving it, or the wife etc.

My 300kwrw R8 will not spin even in first unless coxed, it quite happily gets full power to the ground any gear, even 1st at 7000rpm. Even ~350kwrw VE's, will get it all down, with the exception that the top of 1st gear, then with 400kwrw it will fry 2nd (havnt had the pleasure of 3rd gear WOT with 400kwrw yet). Obviously, if you want it to you can fry 1st, 2nd, 3rd, but thats not really my thing.

I guess this is why I have toasted a few very quick 6T's to 120km/h :)

so if you rev out 1st to redline it wont spin with 300rwkw?? i find that strange cause my stock BA F6 will start losing traction at the end of 1st with brand new tyres as soon as peak torque hits.. ive got 265's as well on the back so its not the factory 245's limiting traction..

it must just be the way the torque is delivered, just a massive whack as boost is built instead of progressive like an NA car ??
That would explain why roll ons in the turbos are so strong, traction plus mountain of torque


i can see it now, the phoons will be the new vl turbos.....................lol

thats not a bad thing, the VL's were ahead of their time tech and performance wise and are now recognised as a classic of its time that had no real competitors....
only prob is the fooly sik hektik types that drive VLT's nowadays give the car a bad name haha

[calais-346]

so if you rev out 1st to redline it wont spin with 300rwkw?? i find that strange cause my stock BA F6 will start losing traction at the end of 1st with brand new tyres as soon as peak torque hits.. ive got 265's as well on the back so its not the factory 245's limiting traction..

it must just be the way the torque is delivered, just a massive whack as boost is built instead of progressive like an NA car ??
That would explain why roll ons in the turbos are so strong, traction plus mountain of torque



thats not a bad thing, the VL's were ahead of their time tech and performance wise and are now recognised as a classic of its time that had no real competitors....
only prob is the fooly sik hektik types that drive VLT's nowadays give the car a bad name haha

The VE's put the power down great, much better than vt - vz, and ba- bf, it's hard to believe how much better they hook up and how you can get wheelspin progresivley instead of just torching the tyres going nowhere

[Vulture]

I guess this is why I have toasted a few very quick 6T's to 120km/h :)

Spot on. I have been amazed at how well the GTS puts near 300rwkw to the ground.

[CarlFST60L]

so if you rev out 1st to redline it wont spin with 300rwkw?? i find that strange cause my stock BA F6 will start losing traction at the end of 1st with brand new tyres as soon as peak torque hits.. ive got 265's as well on the back so its not the factory 245's limiting traction..

it must just be the way the torque is delivered, just a massive whack as boost is built instead of progressive like an NA car ??
That would explain why roll ons in the turbos are so strong, traction plus mountain of torque

I think the HSV VE is perfectly balanced from the chassis, suspension, driveline, tyre type/size etc Its great to have 300kwrw and know I can use every bit of it with confidence, and its safe enough for even the wife to hold WOT :eyes:

The Turbo's do tend to spin on boost in first and then churn the tyres into 2nd, but i dont take much notice to whats going on behind me :stick: :lol:

Here is a quick video of full throttle 1st, 2nd and 3rd, has a little spin off the line, nothing going into second, wasnt snapping the gears or ringing its neck to the limits, and shifting about 6500rpm, the clip is 0-150km/h.

YouTube - HSV E Series R8 300kwrw 0-100km/h (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RodnTacalDM)

[Robos R33]

so if you rev out 1st to redline it wont spin with 300rwkw?? i find that strange cause my stock BA F6 will start losing traction at the end of 1st with brand new tyres as soon as peak torque hits.. ive got 265's as well on the back so its not the factory 245's limiting traction..

it must just be the way the torque is delivered, just a massive whack as boost is built instead of progressive like an NA car ??
That would explain why roll ons in the turbos are so strong, traction plus mountain of torque



thats not a bad thing, the VL's were ahead of their time tech and performance wise and are now recognised as a classic of its time that had no real competitors....
only prob is the fooly sik hektik types that drive VLT's nowadays give the car a bad name haha


Totally agree, if you look at a 5.7 N/A dyno sheet, the power curve is very linear to redline and obviously has limited traction issues as the power slowly builds. With boost, you get suddern stronger surges of power resulting in loss of traction on the road. On my lower boost setting, the power curve is linear and traction is much better in 2nd gear. Flick the switch to hi-boost and traction is very poor in the lower gears but is much more fun in 3rd and 4th.

[CarlFST60L]

Totally agree, if you look at a 5.7 N/A dyno sheet, the power curve is very linear to redline and obviously has limited traction issues as the power slowly builds. With boost, you get suddern stronger surges of power resulting in loss of traction on the road. On my lower boost setting, the power curve is linear and traction is much better in 2nd gear. Flick the switch to hi-boost and traction is very poor in the lower gears but is much more fun in 3rd and 4th.

If the argument is the aggressive nature of the turbo brakes traction, then why does this video (below) show my car going from idle at 80km/h to WOT (idlekw to 300kwrw) only cause a sudden and violent thrust in the forward direction? Sure there is a little wheel spin, but it just goest from 80 - 110km/h in the blink of an eye

YouTube - VE R8, 80km/h Roll, 2nd Gear 80 - 110km/h (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e3DxBcXIv10)

here is second gear, traction on, VERY SOFT roll on, you can see it spins only enough to set of traction

YouTube - VE R8 50km/h roll on, Traction on, soft roll on (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7E79WHMDLO8&NR=1)

While the turbo does rush on boost and have a sharp torque increase, there is no way in hell its going to be as violent as the video above which is idle to WOT in 2nd. I guess what I am saying say is the VE (HSV in this case) must do a much better job of getting the power down.

[Curtis-R]

Nice clips Carl.. I also noticed a gear change thing comes up on your little display.. thats pretty cool, never knew that existed in the HSV.. I didnt see it come up when I took Uncle Tones TT GTS to 7000rpm :confused: (J/K)

I will say the VE's get the power to the ground extremely well and the ESP is the best bar none..

[MrT]

Maybe the car was to much for you to handle.. fair enough some people like having fast cars.. a mate of mine has a typhoon with high 300's and i think its pretty tame on the street.. just depends what you perceive as tame though.

Give me a decent set of radials and ill drive a 500rwkw car everyday lol



Typhoons and XR6 turbos will be the new VL Turbos no doubt at all.. Its already Begun.. wait untill there abit cheaper and it will be even worse.

Rob


Ahhhh no, not too much for me but I would expect that kind of response from someone who probably has never owned a 600hp daily driver.

High 300s is not tame. When you break traction coming onto boost doing 100km/h on the freeway, it makes you think wtf am I driving this thing for lol...

Turbo charged cars behave differently and the power comes on in a rush which get tiring to deal with everyday. As for driving a 500rwkw car every day, I would love to see you even handle driving it for a month.

[Abdula Butcher]

Not trying to start an arguement but you did say 400rwkw without touching the engine or turbo. This is not true. You need to do a fair bit for the stock turbo to flow that well which does involve more than just a flapper and actuator mod.


Incorrect my BF F6 runs a standard turbo with a actuator mod on the housing
(not hi flowed) with a standard turbo manifold, standard inlet manifold and standard dump pipe.
On Martini 110 we have seen up to 423rwkw on Hi Torque and Autotech dyno.
We will be on the dyno again soon you welcome to come and watch, we going to try some different jungle jiuce.

This ET was done with a factory engine and factory auto and factory stall converter, stock diff ratio of 2.73, along with the rest of the factory gear listed above with 132mph..mods are APS phase 3.

YouTube - F6 Typhoon et:10.80 Calder Park 30/05/08 (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=SFvSkKlcbsI)

Mauz or f6mauz 411rwkw as he is known here his F6 same setup only he has nizpro inlet plenum being the only difference.
YouTube - 1st 10 second Typhoon (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=J0SDTrNqin0&feature=related)

[Robos R33]

While the turbo does rush on boost and have a sharp torque increase, there is no way in hell its going to be as violent as the video above which is idle to WOT in 2nd. I guess what I am saying say is the VE (HSV in this case) must do a much better job of getting the power down.

No offence, but 300rwkw wouldnt be enough to turn the wheels in a big VE sedan from a roll on. Definately its enough power for the street and the VE's certainly seem to get the power down very well, more than adequate for every day driving

[CarlFST60L]

No offence, but 300rwkw wouldnt be enough to turn the wheels in a big VE sedan from a roll on. Definately its enough power for the street and the VE's certainly seem to get the power down very well, more than adequate for every day driving

Why would I be offended? Car forum, talking about cars, seems pretty normal :)

All i am saying many people are saying these 300kwrw 6T's cant get the power down even at part throttle and lower RPM.
The VE certainly has no problem. And I know It doest have much problem on the TT VE's, H+C, or big cam only's with 350kwrw that I have seen. I went in a GTS the other day with 330kwrw with a CAM, it felt and drove exactly like my 300kwrw just a little more agressive.
Obviously one can make the car wheel spin, but its also easy to get it all down. Doesnt sound like the case with these other cars, so all im saying is, the VE seems to be really well setup to handle 350kwrw quite safely and easily while getting the power down.

From experince, lining up against some clearly faster/lighter cars of all types, the sprint to ~120km/h seems to fall in the VE's favour more often due to getting all power into forward motion. Not so much for the VE SS/SSV's as they ondt run the same setup as the HSV.

[Robos R33]

Why would I be offended? Car forum, talking about cars, seems pretty normal :)

All i am saying many people are saying these 300kwrw 6T's cant get the power down even at part throttle and lower RPM.
The VE certainly has no problem. And I know It doest have much problem on the TT VE's, H+C, or big cam only's with 350kwrw that I have seen. I went in a GTS the other day with 330kwrw with a CAM, it felt and drove exactly like my 300kwrw just a little more agressive.
Obviously one can make the car wheel spin, but its also easy to get it all down. Doesnt sound like the case with these other cars, so all im saying is, the VE seems to be really well setup to handle 350kwrw quite safely and easily while getting the power down.

From experince, lining up against some clearly faster/lighter cars of all types, the sprint to ~120km/h seems to fall in the VE's favour more often due to getting all power into forward motion. Not so much for the VE SS/SSV's as they ondt run the same setup as the HSV.

Well obviously HSV's seem to have it fine tuned for traction which is great for the street, what are the differences in suspension setup to SS's??? bigger/better tyres i know but im unsure of the rest. If you have huge numbers at the back wheels are your car isn't setup correctly, its not going to win many 0-120. Mine isnt the best with 275rwkw and a much lighter vehicle, 1st and 2nd gears it breaks out, roll-ons is where it shines. Looks like my next car might be a VE :goodjob:

[HSVQUE]

Ahhhh no, not too much for me but I would expect that kind of response from someone who probably has never owned a 600hp daily driver.

High 300s is not tame. When you break traction coming onto boost doing 100km/h on the freeway, it makes you think wtf am I driving this thing for lol...

Turbo charged cars behave differently and the power comes on in a rush which get tiring to deal with everyday. As for driving a 500rwkw car every day, I would love to see you even handle driving it for a month.

LoL you know nothing about me or the car(s) i drive..

Such old man comments.


Not trying to start an arguement but you did say 400rwkw without touching the engine or turbo. This is not true. You need to do a fair bit for the stock turbo to flow that well which does involve more than just a flapper and actuator mod.

I should know I had one lol. But in the end no matter how easy it is to get to 400rwkw, why would you? I sold my 350rwkw T because the power for a daily driven street car was just stupid. Rather scary actually to see how fast it would go from 100-200kms and not really have the handling or breaking power to deal with that kind of speed. Much happier with the ute even though it is a lot less fun at times. Blower might liven things up a bit though.

nit pick all you want but with the flapper and actuator mod done to the turbo they can make over 400. and yes you are trying to start an argument.

And I would want 400 because the difference between 350 and 400 is basically a 10second pass.. without having to gut the interior, use big stall's etc.

[CarlFST60L]

Well obviously HSV's seem to have it fine tuned for traction which is great for the street, what are the differences in suspension setup to SS's??? bigger/better tyres i know but im unsure of the rest. If you have huge numbers at the back wheels are your car isn't setup correctly, its not going to win many 0-120. Mine isnt the best with 275rwkw and a much lighter vehicle, 1st and 2nd gears it breaks out, roll-ons is where it shines. Looks like my next car might be a VE :goodjob:

HSV's have quite a bit different in the ass end, 3.7 diff, suspension, 275 rubber. You know a TT GTS otherwise stock ran 11.5 on factory tyres/suspension, thats where I wanted to take this car, but the turbo's turned into a fishing boat :lol:

I have lost to a couple of smaller/lighter car's roll on >120km/h, even around a track the 2 tonne lard ass HSV hold's its own with 300kwrw, surprises a few smaller cars thats for sure.

[SV346]

Ahhhh no, not too much for me but I would expect that kind of response from someone who probably has never owned a 600hp daily driver.

High 300s is not tame. When you break traction coming onto boost doing 100km/h on the freeway, it makes you think wtf am I driving this thing for lol...

Turbo charged cars behave differently and the power comes on in a rush which get tiring to deal with everyday. As for driving a 500rwkw car every day, I would love to see you even handle driving it for a month.

Soft excuses from the ford crew as usual :p just kidding, but from what your saying the way in which the power came on was what you didnt like, youd rather the power, but in a more linear way hey? :) Even my cam in the mid 23x and 24x near on 600 lift i think, is pretty linear. And even the ssv utes have really good power down and barely spin at all unless you make it do it.


I like this video for some reason :) YouTube - F6 Typhoon Crash (http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=1oOLQ5fyzLI&feature=related)

[calais-346]

All VE's put the power down great, not just the hsv's

[CarlFST60L]

All VE's put the power down great, not just the hsv's

I would have thought so, especially after MickVE ran 12.2 unopened on 19's :bow:

[MrT]

LoL you know nothing about me or the car(s) i drive..

Such old man comments.



nit pick all you want but with the flapper and actuator mod done to the turbo they can make over 400. and yes you are trying to start an argument.

And I would want 400 because the difference between 350 and 400 is basically a 10second pass.. without having to gut the interior, use big stall's etc.



Here we go the pissing contest has started.... Im over it to be honest mate. You clearly have no idea what you are on about. I find it funny you would suggest you know more about those cars than I who actually owned a fairly modded example.

But anyway, its what you get on an open forum.

Have fun.

[HSVQUE]

Yeah that fairly modded one that was to much of a hand full for you.. :goodjob:

[nang3]

Soft excuses from the ford crew as usual :p just kidding, but from what your saying the way in which the power came on was what you didnt like, youd rather the power, but in a more linear way hey? :) Even my cam in the mid 23x and 24x near on 600 lift i think, is pretty linear. And even the ssv utes have really good power down and barely spin at all unless you make it do it.


I like this video for some reason :) http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=1oOLQ5fyzLI&feature=related

ROFL havent heard much about that car for a while !!

i prefer this vid instead : clicky (http://members.iinet.net.au/~ross_armstrong/F6Typhoon_3rdgear.wmv)

340rwkw F6 in 3rd gear

[nowUCme]

great time, :goodjob:

[harey]

Incorrect my BF F6 runs a standard turbo with a actuator mod on the housing
(not hi flowed) with a standard turbo manifold, standard inlet manifold and standard dump pipe.
On Martini 110 we have seen up to 423rwkw on Hi Torque and Autotech dyno.
We will be on the dyno again soon you welcome to come and watch, we going to try some different jungle jiuce.

This ET was done with a factory engine and factory auto and factory stall converter, stock diff ratio of 2.73, along with the rest of the factory gear listed above with 132mph..mods are APS phase 3.

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=SFvSkKlcbsI

Mauz or f6mauz 411rwkw as he is known here his F6 same setup only he has nizpro inlet plenum being the only difference.
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=J0SDTrNqin0&feature=related

Martini 110 octane fuel is really a different thing altogether. I believe the discussion here is with regular 98 octane fuel.

[dalts]

Elites FG ran pump fuel.
No turbo mods or diff gears.
Tune and exhaust ran 11.95@116 mph.

The good news is they have bought a VY to play with and are having a ball with it.

Already taken it to the drags and ran 13.5s all night @ 104.75. No diff gears or stall. Exhaust and Mafless tune only.


Diff gears are no done and the boys are heading out Wednesday night.

[nang3]

11.95 with just a zorst and tune??? fark me, my BA's lookin slow all of a sudden haha

[Alex(AUS)]

11.95 with just a zorst and tune??? fark me, my BA's lookin slow all of a sudden haha

Well, not really, a friend had a BF XR that did 12.2@115 with just a mail order style tune and radials.

Alex

[nang3]

yeh thanks Alex, now im feeling even slower mwahaha

[Alex(AUS)]

yeh thanks Alex, now im feeling even slower mwahaha

I can pass on the tuner info and you can try and beat it if you like ...

Alex

[schnoods]

Thats flying!

Theres a mate of mine who ran his FG F6 (his wife drove) and ran a 12.6 on the stock tune, as is, from factory. Good prep on the track was half the reason it hooked up so well.

[nang3]

I can pass on the tuner info and you can try and beat it if you like ...

Alex

haha nah il just bypass the mods and get a new FG F6 and run mid-high 12's with full warranty !!


Thats flying!

Theres a mate of mine who ran his FG F6 (his wife drove) and ran a 12.6 on the stock tune, as is, from factory. Good prep on the track was half the reason it hooked up so well.

that was at the Motorplex wasn't it?? bloody great time and she was pretty consistent too from memory..

[Alex(AUS)]

haha nah il just bypass the mods and get a new FG F6 and run mid-high 12's with full warranty !!



that was at the Motorplex wasn't it?? bloody great time and she was pretty consistent too from memory..

With forced induction it is possible to run very quick numbers tune only. Usually though, those advertised figures are for a specialised tune and a handful of runs using very high octane (advertised as pump gas). It is certainly not an indication of reliable performance that you will have day in day out. It is simply a cheap push for the record books ... dont worry too much about what people say was run and expect it as something that can be repeated reliably. I know of another XR6 that ran 118mph with just injectors and tune ... it lasted only that run.

Alex

[nang3]

yeh im sure the use of some higher octane fuels is used by some to chase the better numbers, but i think the plex one running 12.6 at 100% factory stock including tune was on BP 98 as well...
im not fussed with ridiculous times and power, if i stay with my BA il just get it tuned with bigger injectors to see an easy and safe reliable everyday 300rwkw..

[ratter]

you will need more than just injectors and a tune to get your 300 reliably

[Penko]

When i drove my mates VE GTS (auto), i have to admit i couldn't believe how well it hooked up compared to my old VZ R8.

Now owning a tuned FG F6, i dont believe it gets the power down as well as the VE, it torches the tires with ease.

An interesting thing would be to see if its the set up or the way the engines dleiver the power, talking hypotheticaly of course i wonder how would a VE HSV go wih a 300rwkw F6 engine? Would it still hook up aswell or torch the tires like the FG

Cheers.

P.s this is an example no need to say its stupid, beucase i know it will never happen lol.


Why would I be offended? Car forum, talking about cars, seems pretty normal :)

All i am saying many people are saying these 300kwrw 6T's cant get the power down even at part throttle and lower RPM.
The VE certainly has no problem. And I know It doest have much problem on the TT VE's, H+C, or big cam only's with 350kwrw that I have seen. I went in a GTS the other day with 330kwrw with a CAM, it felt and drove exactly like my 300kwrw just a little more agressive.
Obviously one can make the car wheel spin, but its also easy to get it all down. Doesnt sound like the case with these other cars, so all im saying is, the VE seems to be really well setup to handle 350kwrw quite safely and easily while getting the power down.

From experince, lining up against some clearly faster/lighter cars of all types, the sprint to ~120km/h seems to fall in the VE's favour more often due to getting all power into forward motion. Not so much for the VE SS/SSV's as they ondt run the same setup as the HSV.


Great videos, certainly miss the sound of the V8

[Alex(AUS)]

When i drove my mates VE GTS (auto), i have to admit i couldn't believe how well it hooked up compared to my old VZ R8.

Now owning a tuned FG F6, i dont believe it gets the power down as well as the VE, it torches the tires with ease.

An interesting thing would be to see if its the set up or the way the engines dleiver the power, talking hypotheticaly of course i wonder how would a VE HSV go wih a 300rwkw F6 engine? Would it still hook up aswell or torch the tires like the FG

Cheers.

P.s this is an example no need to say its stupid, beucase i know it will never happen lol.




Great videos, certainly miss the sound of the V8

I have driven even the N/A and F/I based FGs and it is obvious that the mechanical grip is far worse than VE.

What did you have to do to get 305rwkw Penko? Have you raced it yet?

Alex

[ROGRSS]

How about the FG FPV GT V8 ?? How does that go off the line ? I know from owning a couple of turbo's in my day that its the hike in torque that seems to spinn the wheels.

My mate has a FG XR6T M6 and when we both cruise in 1st slowly building revs till about 3k then putting the hammer down my SSV just launches off and pull about a car length on him as his starts to spin the wheels till he picks up speed.

Traction is always hard to get in RWD turbo's with decent amounts of power. Great fun to drive though.... just not in the wet :burnout:

[Penko]

I have driven even the N/A and F/I based FGs and it is obvious that the mechanical grip is far worse than VE.

What did you have to do to get 305rwkw Penko? Have you raced it yet?

Alex

Yep i would have to agree with you on that. But you have to admit when they get going (3rd gear roll ons) they freaking pull. Nah never raced at the strip beore, kinda want to have a stab at it. Have been on the track with it though (wakefield).

You driven the FG F6 yet?

Tune only for 305rwkw, 282 stock.

Cheers.


How about the FG FPV GT V8 ?? How does that go off the line ? I know from owning a couple of turbo's in my day that its the hike in torque that seems to spinn the wheels.

My mate has a FG XR6T M6 and when we both cruise in 1st slowly building revs till about 3k then putting the hammer down my SSV just launches off and pull about a car length on him as his starts to spin the wheels till he picks up speed.

Traction is always hard to get in RWD turbo's with decent amounts of power. Great fun to drive though.... just not in the wet :burnout:

Yeah fist gear is almost a waste lol. In the wet it is scary :)

[CarlFST60L]

Have been on the track with it though (wakefield).

How'd you go at Wakefield Penko?

[VIXEN-T]

my BA-T seems to get the power down quite well, off the line theres a bit of wheel spin but its not the kind of wheelspin that would kick the ass end out and make u back off the throttle its pretty much straight wheelspin where im still moving forward pretty quick, but smokin the tyres up at the same time if that makes sense. Now ive got a built auto with 2500rpm stall its heaps of fun! now does anyone know when calder is open??

[IH8HSV]

CV performance tuned FG F6 has run a 11.4 @ 123 mph last wed at wsid

http://cacklingpipes.com/090318_wsid_streetmeet/wsidstreetmeet180309_426.JPG

[VIXEN-T]

elite automotive FG F6 has run 11.36@122.52MPH with a 1.63 60FT. Mods are Nizpro exhaust, high flow injectors and custom tuned...car still has factory intercooler, piping and airbox. Power is 350rwkw.

[Alex(AUS)]

elite automotive FG F6 has run 11.36@122.52MPH with a 1.63 60FT. Mods are Nizpro exhaust, high flow injectors and custom tuned...car still has factory intercooler, piping and airbox. Power is 350rwkw.

Race gas?

Alex

[Martin_D]

Had a stock FG XR6 M6 in yesterday. Add one full exhaust system, and one tune for 300rwkw on the Mainline. Thats LS3 + cam territory...... :eek:

[Alex(AUS)]

Had a stock FG XR6 M6 in yesterday. Add one full exhaust system, and one tune for 300rwkw on the Mainline. Thats LS3 + cam territory...... :eek:

Really? Maybe you are not tuning them right. Another respected sponsor reported high 290s with tune and OTR on a mainline with an LS3 and that is N/A ... no boost needed ... With cams and the L98 (very few LS3 results yet) ... there are many many 340+ results.

Alex

[Martin_D]

Maybe I should get some e-tuning lessons from you Alex :lol:
340+ rwkw a walk in the park with just a cam......on an L98.... only in fantasyland :cool:

[VIXEN-T]

Race gas?

Alex

pump fuel and full weight on MTs

[Alex(AUS)]

Maybe I should get some e-tuning lessons from you Alex :lol:
340+ rwkw a walk in the park with just a cam......on an L98.... only in fantasyland :cool:

I didnt say me. I said a respected forum sponsor. Maybe they would be kind enough to offer you some lessons heheheh ... just kidding mate.

The L98s usually put down around 340 with largeish (but not TK) cam, OTR and exhaust on a Mainline.

Those FG XR injectors would be pushing pretty hard for 300rwkw wouldnt they?

Alex


pump fuel and full weight on MTs

Amazing stuff. He picked up 6mph from his last best tune/exhaust/injectors setup with nothing more than a retune? 6mph is around 60rwkw all else being equal ... Must be running some serious boost.

Alex

[Martin_D]

I didnt say me. I said a respected forum sponsor. Maybe they would be kind enough to offer you some lessons heheheh ... just kidding mate. Alex

Hey no probs, it was just interesting to see a car with an exhaust + tune and nothing else touch 300rwkw. The injectors were on 100% duty (in fact at a training course I held at Herrods last week a stock XR6T showed 98% duty untouched! :eek:)

[Alex(AUS)]

Hey no probs, it was just interesting to see a car with an exhaust + tune and nothing else touch 300rwkw. The injectors were on 100% duty (in fact at a training course I held at Herrods last week a stock XR6T showed 98% duty untouched! :eek:)

You probably would have done it with just the dump pipe. However, the injectors would still be an issue. You cannot really release a car tuned like that ... so I guess it is not a real world tune / exhaust only result. With injectors ... it shouldn't be a problem (how's the pump?). Then again the FG F6 has 42# injectors and better turbo flow up top standard so that would be a better candidate for highest top end power tune/exhaust only.

Alex

[Martin_D]

Yes, at 300rwkw its a daily tune, no problem there :cool:
Standard its 0.69 Lambda at 5500rpm, tuned its 0.81 Lambda at 5500rpm so fairly rich actually :)

Remember - AFR (or lack thereof) doesnt hurt engines if the tune is setup accordingly
Its one of the principles we spend a long time teaching :cool:

[Alex(AUS)]

Yes, at 300rwkw its a daily tune, no problem there :cool:
Standard its 0.69 Lambda at 5500rpm, tuned its 0.81 Lambda at 5500rpm so fairly rich actually :)

Remember - AFR (or lack thereof) doesnt hurt engines if the tune is setup accordingly
Its one of the principles we spend a long time teaching :cool:

Yeah between 11.8 and 12.2AFR (petrol with no ethanol) with the right spark is ok. However injector duty cycles at 100% is a bad idea ...

Alex

[Martin_D]

Well tell Ford that, its how the car is released :lol:
Plenty of properly tuned endurance race turbocharged cars have run 14.5:1 (closer to Lambda 1) at wide open throttle 20psi boost pressure, and last flat out for 12 - 24 hours. There is indeed more to it than picking a number :cool:

[Alex(AUS)]

Well tell Ford that, its how the car is released :lol:
Plenty of properly tuned endurance race turbocharged cars have run 14.5:1 (closer to Lambda 1) at wide open throttle 20psi boost pressure, and last flat out for 12 - 24 hours. There is indeed more to it than picking a number :cool:

Effective tune limitation to reduce warranty claims. With F/I the sky is the limit ... even for the piston or rod when it eventually breaks LOL. There is always more boost (support for that boost is often overlooked). I suppose a injector size is one way to keep people from going crazy. Of course, you could get around that by running it leaner. Although this wont give you much head room in a F/I application where you increase boost pressure.

The key to such lean mixtures is a rock solid fuel system. I dont know about 14.5 on anything even remotely resembling a standard setup though (would love to see it!).

Alex

[Martin_D]

It doesnt matter how lean you run an engine Alex, the only constraints are EGT and detonation limit. Dont let it detonate (adjust the timing), dont let the EGT get out of control, and the fuel mixture is essentially just an arbitrary number, not the holy grail of online internet tuning. I cant remember ever seeing an engine that has died from only lean mixture (unless of course its a two stroke and it nipped :lol: ) :eek:

Like I said one company in particular - Nissan - broke Porsches long domination at Sebring (how fitting) by tuning their 3.5 litre twin turbo V8 to run around 14:1 AFR for the duration of the race, stopped it from detonating, saved a couple of pitstops in the process, and back to backed the race two years in a row. Worked for them :)

[Alex(AUS)]

It doesnt matter how lean you run an engine Alex, the only constraints are EGT and detonation limit. Dont let it detonate (adjust the timing), dont let the EGT get out of control, and the fuel mixture is essentially just an arbitrary number, not the holy grail of online internet tuning. I cant remember ever seeing an engine that has died from only lean mixture (unless of course its a two stroke and it nipped :lol: ) :eek:

Like I said one company in particular - Nissan - broke Porsches long domination at Sebring (how fitting) by tuning their 3.5 litre twin turbo V8 to run around 14:1 AFR for the duration of the race, stopped it from detonating, saved a couple of pitstops in the process, and back to backed the race two years in a row. Worked for them :)

You had head room there then. Why didnt you push it (the XR) any harder? What type of boost pressure did you use?

Thanks for the advice,

Alex

[Martin_D]

11psi at 5500rpm :)
Peak power on a turbo barra Falc engine is normally 0.84 Lambda. Using this boost pressure allowed a richer than optimum (for peak power) 0.81 Lambda, so yes it is conservative, but as you point out allows for variances in fuel system performance over time :)

Start thinking in Lambda, its much wiser than using AFR in the long run :cool:

[Alex(AUS)]

11psi at 5500rpm :)
Peak power on a turbo barra Falc engine is normally 0.84 Lambda. Using this boost pressure allowed a richer than optimum (for peak power) 0.81 Lambda, so yes it is conservative, but as you point out allows for variances in fuel system performance over time :)

Start thinking in Lambda, its much wiser than using AFR in the long run :cool:

Wow. You have a bit of spark in it there Martin (and a bit more boost just before peak power). Not a bad effort but fairly aggressive I would say. Actually I am surprised you ran out of fuel at 11psi (they are at 9 or 10 standard).

Both lambda and AFR readings are ok when we are talking pump fuel (non ethanol based). But lambda is nice for everything ...

Alex

[vipsle]

weapon of a car for a stocker

[VIXEN-T]

update...ELITE automotive F6 has improved it's PB and is still the fastest FG to date with an 11.08@124mph with a 1.65 60ft. Knockin on the 10s door! Mods since last run are a Nizpro intercooler. So mods now are injectors, exhaust, intercooler and tune. Weight of car was 1802 kg. Fuel was Shell vpower 98 no additives. on MTs.

[WOMBIE]

Dude that's a ripper result and so what if it's a Ford on a Holden site as I honestly couldn't give a fark in the slightest.....credit where it's due!

Some people need to just move the fark on!

Cheers,
Daz

[Alex(AUS)]

update...ELITE automotive F6 has improved it's PB and is still the fastest FG to date with an 11.08@124mph with a 1.65 60ft. Knockin on the 10s door! Mods since last run are a Nizpro intercooler. So mods now are injectors, exhaust, intercooler and tune. Weight of car was 1802 kg. Fuel was Shell vpower 98 no additives. on MTs.

I think it is a top result. Well done!

All I wanted to know was where the 6mph from their previous best with tune, injectors, exhaust came from with no other changes ... 6mph is quite a bit more power (60rwkw all things being equal) ... that cant be just a retune.

Alex