PCM Cloning

[VU-George]

i am not sure if any of you here can help out. i bought a VU 5.7 ute
with a tuning tool which i am told is locked to the ecu. My problem is
the engine is stalling all the time and when it gets hot the engine will
stop and i can't start it till it cools down.

i have been told by 2 mechanics that the fault could be in the ecu. i
bought a second hand ecu but the engine would not start at all.
i found a site on the net that has a "PCM cloning service" that can
clone my ecu. i am just wondering if any one else has had this done and
if their tuning tool still worked with the cloned PCM as I have searched
the net and found no info on cloned PCM's.


Thanks VU-george

[macca_779]

What tuning tool are you using?

[Delco]

i am not sure if any of you here can help out. i bought a VU 5.7 ute
with a tuning tool which i am told is locked to the ecu. My problem is
the engine is stalling all the time and when it gets hot the engine will
stop and i can't start it till it cools down.

i have been told by 2 mechanics that the fault could be in the ecu. i
bought a second hand ecu but the engine would not start at all.
i found a site on the net that has a "PCM cloning service" that can
clone my ecu. i am just wondering if any one else has had this done and
if their tuning tool still worked with the cloned PCM as I have searched
the net and found no info on cloned PCM's.


Thanks VU-george


You will need to purchase another tuning licence to link to your car and reinstall the tune.
Would be very very rare to have a mechanical fault in the PCM , very very common to have a tuning fault in the PCM

[VU-George]

macca_779 tuning tool is EFILive FlashScan FSP V1.2 Dose this make a
difference?

Delco i have spoken to the guy who sold me the ute and he tells me it
is not necessary for me to licence a cloned PCM. Some thing about the
tuning tools licence has already been paid for. Best part for me is to
have my faulty PCM cloned is half the cost of a unnecessary licence.

Thanks VU-george

[calais-346]

I find it strange that the other pcm doesn't work....I have 2 pcm's, one from when powertorque tuned my car, which is locked so when i started tuning my car myself i bought another pcm from oztrack along with the software for efi-live. Both pcm's still work on my car. Either way i'd take delco's advice when it comes to pcm's as its his area of expertise.

[macca_779]

macca_779 tuning tool is EFILive FlashScan FSP V1.2 Dose this make a
difference?

Delco i have spoken to the guy who sold me the ute and he tells me it
is not necessary for me to licence a cloned PCM. Some thing about the
tuning tools licence has already been paid for. Best part for me is to
have my faulty PCM cloned is half the cost of a unnecessary licence.

Thanks VU-george

As Delco said its probably tune related. Have you tried reflashing the tune back in. Or pull it out post it up on the EFI LIVE forum and see what everyone thinks.. Its probably a simple fix. As far as cloning goes. Unless the Flash ROM is pulled from the board and your original PCM serial number loaded into it. You won't be able to use the existing EFI LIVE licence. They are Serial Number tracked, not VIN tracked. I can't see to many people going to this much trouble to copy a serial number

[iamhappy46]

i am not sure if any of you here can help out. i bought a VU 5.7 ute
with a tuning tool which i am told is locked to the ecu. My problem is
the engine is stalling all the time and when it gets hot the engine will
stop and i can't start it till it cools down.

i have been told by 2 mechanics that the fault could be in the ecu. i
bought a second hand ecu but the engine would not start at all.
i found a site on the net that has a "PCM cloning service" that can
clone my ecu. i am just wondering if any one else has had this done and
if their tuning tool still worked with the cloned PCM as I have searched
the net and found no info on cloned PCM's.


Thanks VU-george

The secondhand ECU will not work without being 'coded' to the BCM if I recall correctly using Tech II or other suitable software.

You could also just arrange for a forum sponsor to load in a mail-order mafless tune into the spare ECU will will fix the problem with coding it to the BCM ;)

[VU-George]

iamhappy46 Will my tuning tool work with this mail-order mafless tune
in my spare ECU?

Thanks VU-george

[SS Enforcer]

Give Steve at Oztrack tuning a ring mate he is in Sydney and a forum sponsor as an Efilive reseller he will be able to sort you out on this one.

http://www.oztracktuning.com/


cheers

[macca_779]

iamhappy46 Will my tuning tool work with this mail-order mafless tune
in my spare ECU?

Thanks VU-george

Mate for your tuning tool to work the second PCM must have the same Serial number of one that is already licenced to the V1 Flashscan. If it doesn't you will need to purchase another licence. I seriously recommend you just get a new licence. Its $100US and you could fix all your problems right now.


Give Steve at Oztrack tuning a ring mate he is in Sydney and a forum sponsor as an Efilive reseller he will be able to sort you out on this one.

http://www.oztracktuning.com/


cheers

Not going to help him if he wants to be able to use his V1 on it without purchasing another licence. The serial number of the original needs to be copied into it. Steve doesn't have the hardware to do this as far as I know. The only way I know of doing this is removing the chip from the second PCM and physically flashing the ROM directly with a PROM burner and hex editor. The OBDII Comms don't allow this as far as I'm aware and you have to go direct into the chip. There are guys out there that can do it though. PM JezzaB he has all the gear to do this.

To the OP. Read post 6.. Have you done this yet? As all this talk about cloning is probably not required if its only the tune that is out

[VU-George]

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To the OP. Read post 6.. Have you done this yet? As all this talk about cloning is probably not required if its only the tune that is out

Yes tried all what you suggested except posting up my tune. One of the mechanics is very sure the problem is with the ECU. When the engine gets hot it dies and nothing will get it running till it cools down. Spark plugs were pulled out to see if the engine was flooded and plugs were dry. Coil packs have been temporally changed so they are quite sure its my ECU.

Thanks VU-george


Give Steve at Oztrack tuning a ring mate he is in Sydney and a forum sponsor as an Efilive reseller he will be able to sort you out on this one.

http://www.oztracktuning.com/


cheers

Been doing a bit homework and ringing around and looks as though Oztracks is a relatively newcomer to this industry, seems he does not have the tools or experience to help me as posted by macca_779 above.
The company who has offered to clone my damaged PCM (Dicks Electronics) is not short of experience and has been tuning for twenty years. From his web site he used to tune Oztracks car, wining the super street class back in Nov 2006.

i can't get a better deal any where in Sydney for $70, so have decided to go ahead and get my PCM cloned. i will let you all now how i get on.

Thanks VU-george

[swingtan]

Been doing a bit homework and ringing around and looks as though Oztracks is a relatively newcomer to this industry, seems he does not have the tools or experience to help me as posted by macca_779 above.
The company who has offered to clone my damaged PCM (Dicks Electronics) is not short of experience and has been tuning for twenty years. From his web site he used to tune Oztracks car, wining the super street class back in Nov 2006.

i can't get a better deal any where in Sydney for $70, so have decided to go ahead and get my PCM cloned. i will let you all now how i get on.

Thanks VU-george

Not quite right..... Oztrack has been doing tuning for some time now and from what I hear does very good work. Macca stated that he is not sure if Steve ( Oztrack ) has the gear to remove flash chips, code in hex , re-flash the chips and re-solder them back into the PCM. $70 for the service is actually a pretty good price, though as has been said, if the problem is in the tune, you may not get any joy.

Simon

[Tre-Cool]

This thread kinda looks like a bait / troll.

[GODSMACK]

This thread kinda looks like a bait / troll.
:confused: How so?

[STATIE]

Why would you want to clone a shit tune? You would still have to buy another PCM anyway wouldn't you.

[macca_779]

Why would you want to clone a shit tune? You would still have to buy another PCM anyway wouldn't you.

Not really as if its cloned and it doesn't work then atleast he can use his V1 Flashscan on the newly cloned PCM.

To the OP. You say you can't get it to run when its hot. I gather your mechanic had the nouse to check that plugs are firing and injectors are squirting. It would be good to know which one of the two isn't happening.

[iamhappy46]

I assume the PCM is in the factory location under the coolant bottle?

So the mechanic is assuming that when the engine gets hot it is transfering heat into the PCM which causes the problem or that the tune is causing the problem?

The problem you are describing when the engine gets hot 'may' not have anything to do with the ECU at all as there are other common factors that will cause the same problem ;)

[ntae]

Been doing a bit homework and ringing around and looks as though Oztracks is a relatively newcomer to this industry, seems he does not have the tools or experience to help me as posted by macca_779 above.
The company who has offered to clone my damaged PCM (Dicks Electronics) is not short of experience and has been tuning for twenty years. From his web site he used to tune Oztracks car, wining the super street class back in Nov 2006.

i can't get a better deal any where in Sydney for $70, so have decided to go ahead and get my PCM cloned. i will let you all now how i get on.

Thanks VU-george


You are right on most points you have made , if you look ,this forum has lots of info on when dick was tuning OZ's car

I have seen before the problem you are having with your PCM , it was due to the chip being removed to unlock the pcm and when it was soldered back on it was not done right & with heat the chip's legs would not touch the board

As for cloning a PCM it can be done & $70 for loading a tune file to a PCM is about right . I have not had any problems dealing with dick he is a very helpfull person

The EFILive reseller agreement i signed prohibits you from cloning PCM's to get around the EFILive licensing , this could be some of the reasoning behind OZ's decision not to help you out with cloning

hope it all works out


Geoff

[Mrn20]

i agree, why would you clone a shit tune ? makes no sense.

[ntae]

i agree, why would you clone a shit tune ? makes no sense.

what makes it a shit tune ?

have you seen the tune file ?

the owner has all ways said it's a hardware problem !!!!!

[bush_basha]

How long have you been going to this mechanic?, if you have gone to him before and he knows what his doing then fair enough, i once went to this mechanic around my place cause he was the only place open, and he couldnt even connect "launch" (scanner to read computer faults) so he told me my ecu was dead, im like yeh ok, so i waited a few days until my mechanic opened up and we connected to it straight away. so yeh...

[VU-George]

Thanks guys for all your comments and advice.

Just got back from Dicks and plugged the clone PCM into the ute and went for a 20 minute drive and all my problems have gone. What a relief. Was a little worried from some of the comments on this forum that my own PCM may not have been faulty. i also mentioned my concern about the comment of license legality and Dick explained that he uses his own modified PCM and his own software to read my faulty pcm and then download it into my spare PCM. i was pleased to be present when the cloning was done and was surprised how simple the process was.
Now all i have to do is learn how to tune it.

Thanks VU-george

[Ryzz]

Been doing a bit homework and ringing around and looks as though Oztracks is a relatively newcomer to this industry, seems he does not have the tools or experience to help me as posted by macca_779 above.
The company who has offered to clone my damaged PCM (Dicks Electronics) is not short of experience and has been tuning for twenty years. From his web site he used to tune Oztracks car, wining the super street class back in Nov 2006.

i can't get a better deal any where in Sydney for $70, so have decided to go ahead and get my PCM cloned. i will let you all now how i get on.

Thanks VU-george

Everyone needs to be aware that VU-George is actually Dicks Electronics, who have signed up under a false name in a deceitful attempt to discredit Oztracks business.

This sort if behaviour will not be tolerated on the forum, and Dick's Electronics has been permanently removed from the forum as a result.

[macca_779]

Cheeky bastard that Dick. How did u work it out Ryzz. Delphi log on with the same ip or something?

[STATIE]

Everyone needs to be aware that VU-George is actually Dicks Electronics, who have signed up under a false name in a deceitful attempt to discredit Oztracks business.

This sort if behaviour will not be tolerated on the forum, and Dick's Electronics has been permanently removed from the forum as a result.


:rofl::rofl::rofl:

D!CKHEAD!!!!!:bash:

[V-Car]

Now all i have to do is learn how to tune it.


Thats one thing he got right! :rofl:

[michaels1v8]

Thats pretty low

Sounds like his plan has backfired and I imagine a lot of business from this forum will now be lost.

Well done:goodjob:

Nice find Ryzz. Kinda scary that you guys can work out so much about us on here...

Gotta say, for someone with so much tuning experience, he doesnt seem to know a lot about the internet:1peek:
You think someone so savvy with electronics would know a thing or two

[DaveHAT]

This thread kinda looks like a bait / troll.

Picked it like a busted nose Dave ... :bravo:

[HSVDKB]

Been doing a bit homework and ringing around and looks as though Oztracks is a relatively newcomer to this industry, seems he does not have the tools or experience to help me as posted by macca_779 above.
The company who has offered to clone my damaged PCM (Dicks Electronics) is not short of experience and has been tuning for twenty years. From his web site he used to tune Oztracks car, wining the super street class back in Nov 2006.

i can't get a better deal any where in Sydney for $70, so have decided to go ahead and get my PCM cloned. i will let you all now how i get on.

Thanks VU-george

All looked liked it could have been a genuine inquiry until this post, which set my alarm bells off

[bpm]

if you look on the dicks forum, it seems dick has even been messaging himself there!!

[GODSMACK]

if you look on the dicks forum, it seems dick has even been messaging himself there!!
LOL, i just had a look, seems he is having discussions amongst himself, using the forum names he has created himself..

[RetroTuner]

Hi guys ,

I have just spoken to Dick regarding the allegations that he is posting as VU George ....

I have been contacted by Dick from Dicks Electronics both him and his
Customer VU-George have both been banned from this site and unable to
respond to these allegations. He has asked me to make a post on his
behalf and is pursuing legal action against anyone on this public forum
that participates in his character assignation.

I have also personally contact Moderator (Ryzz) regarding this matter and am awaiting his reply for proof of his allegations.

Before anybody jumps the gun ....yes I am a friend/customer of Dicks.

I am only posting as Dick has essured me that the allegations are unfounded.

I await the moderators reply...

Cheers
Kyle

[Ryzz]

Hi guys ,

I have just spoken to Dick regarding the allegations that he is posting as VU George ....

I have been contacted by Dick from Dicks Electronics both him and his
Customer VU-George have both been banned from this site and unable to
respond to these allegations. He has asked me to make a post on his
behalf and is pursuing legal action against anyone on this public forum
that participates in his character assignation.

I have also personally contact Moderator (Ryzz) regarding this matter and am awaiting his reply for proof of his allegations.

Before anybody jumps the gun ....yes I am a friend/customer of Dicks.

I am only posting as Dick has essured me that the allegations are unfounded.

I await the moderators reply...

Cheers
Kyle
Kyle,

As i mentioned in reply to your PM. Should Dick have an issue, he is welcome to contact the moderators through the relevant channels. Posting in this forum is not the relevant channel, and we (the Moderators) will not, and do not discuss the actions, or reasons of moderation within the forums.

[RetroTuner]

I just hope this is not a situation of the moderators using their position to crucify an individual...

As far as it being an attack on Steve Bennet.....
he was asked if he could clone a PCM.....
As far as I am aware he cant....
But he can sell you another licence ...

Cloning PCMs is not new...
Anybody with a steady hand,soldering iron and a hex editor can do it...just have to know how....

Dick has tried to contact the moderators with nil success today......

Cheers
Kyle

[Tre-Cool]

Picked it like a busted nose Dave ... :bravo:
Been on this forum long enough to know when some one is suss with what they post. Especially when it looks like a sales speech and they try to shit on other businesses.

I don't post much these day's, but i read and observe... and remember. (plus i checked when he joined the forum, and honestly who would start such a thread and not know what was going on with the pcm if they had the tools to tune?)


I just hope this is not a situation of the moderators using their position to crucify an individual...

As far as it being an attack on Steve Bennet.....
he was asked if he could clone a PCM.....
As far as I am aware he cant....
But he can sell you another licence ...

Cloning PCMs is not new...
Anybody with a steady hand,soldering iron and a hex editor can do it...just have to know how....

Dick has tried to contact the moderators with nil success today......

Cheers
Kyle
I suspect that they have lives, and thus are not available.

He got caught. It's not like this forum is the only one out there he can make money from.

Tell him to "Toughen Up Princess".

[heavychevy]

If it's true, what a bloody odd thing to do.

[RetroTuner]

I would just like some proof....that is all....

[Sidewindr]

Cloning PCMs is not new...
Anybody with a steady hand,soldering iron and a hex editor can do it...just have to know how....


Piracy is not new either .. however it IS illegal!!

[Ryzz]

I would just like some proof....that is all....

Kyle,

Please go back and re-read my original statement. No information will be disclosed to yourself, and no-one in the moderation team will be discussing this thread or the actions/evidence behind it within the public forum. That has been our stance from day one, and that is still our stance, and it WILL NOT BE CHANGING.



Dick has tried to contact the moderators with nil success today......
If Dick has contacted the moderators, then we moderators will reply in due time when its possible for us to do so. Once again that is a conversation between the Moderators and Dick and does not concern you, and you have been requested before the stay out of the conversation.

Please keep this thread ontopic. Any off topic posts will be removed.:director:

[RetroTuner]

Nil Piracy involved Sidewinder.....

I will leave it at that.

Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to one and all....:xmas:

[John L]

Everyone needs to be aware that VU-George is actually Dicks Electronics, who have signed up under a false name in a deceitful attempt to discredit Oztracks business.

This sort if behaviour will not be tolerated on the forum, and Dick's Electronics has been permanently removed from the forum as a result.

As JUDGE JURY and EXECUTIONER I only hope you've got it right!

John L

Tis the season of goodwill to fellow man


Piracy is not new either .. however it IS illegal!!

I'm sure GM would agree, with their standard computer programs being locked!

John L

[RICECOOKER]

Hi guys ,

I have just spoken to Dick regarding the allegations that he is posting as VU George ....

I have been contacted by Dick from Dicks Electronics both him and his
Customer VU-George have both been banned from this site and unable to
respond to these allegations. He has asked me to make a post on his
behalf and is pursuing legal action against anyone on this public forum
that participates in his character assignation.

I have also personally contact Moderator (Ryzz) regarding this matter and am awaiting his reply for proof of his allegations.

Before anybody jumps the gun ....yes I am a friend/customer of Dicks.

I am only posting as Dick has essured me that the allegations are unfounded.

I await the moderators reply...

Cheers
Kyle

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[boyley]

Been doing a bit homework and ringing around and looks as though Oztracks is a relatively newcomer to this industry, seems he does not have the tools or experience to help me as posted by macca_779 above.
The company who has offered to clone my damaged PCM (Dicks Electronics) is not short of experience and has been tuning for twenty years. From his web site he used to tune Oztracks car, wining the super street class back in Nov 2006.

i can't get a better deal any where in Sydney for $70, so have decided to go ahead and get my PCM cloned. i will let you all now how i get on.

Thanks VU-george


:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::bravo::bravo:

I'm sure ______ will be very interested in this one.

BTW I thought Dick Smith got out of electronics??:confused::confused:

[Sidewindr]

Nil Piracy involved Sidewinder.....

I will leave it at that.

Merry Xmas and Happy New Year to one and all....:xmas:

Unauthorised duplication of protected material (Intellectually or Copyrighted) is piracy plain and simple.

[mouthy]

Unauthorised duplication of protected material (Intellectually or Copyrighted) is piracy plain and simple.

wouldn't it be "coping" if i download a stock calibration from my VE with HPT ?

none the less, ya got caught looking like a fool, if u want to talk up your business become a sponsor like the rest of the tuners.

[smokiebbear]

wouldn't it be "coping" if i download a stock calibration from my VE with HPT ?

none the less, ya got caught looking like a fool, if u want to talk up your business become a sponsor like the rest of the tuners.

I believe that it is yet to be proven that they are the same person not that it is any of my business either, although you can see with the following link http://www.dickselectronics.com/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?51.0#post_69 VU-George posted the same question 2 days earlier on Delphi's forum - Wed Dec 10 2008, 11:58AM vs this thread 12-12-2008, 04:26 PM. That to me leaves a reasonable doubt imho. I don't know Delphi but as Kyle has posted I would be very careful what you say on here as you have no evidence that he is the same person apart from the fact a moderator has said so.

[RetroTuner]

Unauthorised duplication of protected material (Intellectually or Copyrighted) is piracy plain and simple.

And just whos protected material would it be duplication of....????..if anything it is only GMs ....it is the same as carrying out a tune on any GM product ...which btw are locked from factory ..but some very smart people out there have worked their way around it.....so get off the soap box...i hope you dont have any downloaded music,movies or programs on your PC at home....

Better get the rhodes scholar to check my english is correct....wtf is the world coming too...


Cheers
Kyle

[boyley]

And just whos protected material would it be duplication of....????..if anything it is only GMs ....it is the same as carrying out a tune on any GM product ...which btw are locked from factory ..but some very smart people out there have worked their way around it.....so get off the soap box...i hope you dont have any downloaded music,movies or programs on your PC at home....

Better get the rhodes scholar to check my english is correct....wtf is the world coming too...


Cheers
Kyle

Kyle most aftermarket tunes have a custom operating system which is the intellectual property of the said supplier, EFIlive or HPtuners take your pick. The original tune is wiped from the eprom.

If the operational licence for this COS is being cloned then you can probably see the issue.

Cheers Boyley

[SS Enforcer]

I just hope this is not a situation of the moderators using their position to crucify an individual...

As far as it being an attack on Steve Bennet.....
he was asked if he could clone a PCM.....
As far as I am aware he cant....
But he can sell you another licence ...



Steve wasn't asked anything in this thread by anyone actually.
I put forward Steves business name as he is a Efilive reseller and tuner and Vu-George seemed to be located in Sydney and appeared to have a Efilive issue.

If Vu-George is in fact Dick it's pretty poor form actually and going by posts in other forums it appears that is a distinct possibility.

cheers

[John L]

Kyle most aftermarket tunes have a custom operating system which is the intellectual property of the said supplier, EFIlive or HPtuners take your pick. The original tune is wiped from the eprom.

If the operational licence for this COS is being cloned then you can probably see the issue.

Cheers Boyley

Boyley

I beg to differ in my case, maf tunes are done with a 4:1 ratio as it potentially maintains the vehicles ADR emission approval and does not require a custom operating system.

There are 8 segments within an LS1 tuning bin of which the operating system is one. A custom operating system is a modified standard GM operating system the amount of change to the standard GM operating system to a custom operating system is very small (approximately 3%), given this who's intellectual property is it GM's or the person modifying it.

Don't get me wrong we need to continue to support the suppliers of these tuning tools for our own benefit as I suspect their prime source of income is from licensing and without this they will not/can not continue to develope products and we will miss out.

As to whether it is illegal or not the answer in my opinion is not clear cut and can be justifiably rationalised either way.

[gmh308]

Anyone seen a GM "End User License Agreement" ?

[RetroTuner]

Kyle most aftermarket tunes have a custom operating system which is the intellectual property of the said supplier, EFIlive or HPtuners take your pick. The original tune is wiped from the eprom.

If the operational licence for this COS is being cloned then you can probably see the issue.

Cheers Boyley

Hi Boyley,
I am fairly up to speed on PCM architecture and custom OS stuff.
What was requested is not copying of a aftermarket tune..it is actually modification of a PCMs original code prior to tuning with an aftermarket tuning tool.

The process does not even involve any of the available aftermarket tuning tools.

Most in the know keep it quiet,it is difficult for some just depends on what 'tools" you have at your disposal.It is no different to getting your PCM unlocked ..........

Cheers
Kyle

[Oztrack Tuning]

Any modifying of a PCMs serial number to allow EFILive or VCMSuite to flash the PCM using a previously purchased tuning licence is a violation of the Licencing agreement. Read the licencing agreement at http://www.efilive.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=44&Itemid=76

Dishonest people could easily use this method to make all PCMs use the same EFILive or VCMSuite licence over and over for one licencing fee. Its pretty clear violation of the agreement and as it states the serious part below:

This EFILive License Agreement shall be interpreted under the laws of New Zealand and the Courts of that Country shall have exclusive jurisdiction in respect of any disputes arising under it or in respect of the licensing, purchase, distribution or use of the EFILive software.
In the event of a breach of any of the above terms, your license to use the EFILive software is immediately terminated without the need for notice. You may also be subject to legal action for any and all resulting loss of any kind, including loss of opportunity and consequential losses, suffered by EFILive Limited or any of its affiliates, agents, distributors, resellers or associates.
EFILive Terms and Conditions.

[HOWQUICK]

Everyone needs to be aware that VU-George is actually Dicks Electronics, who have signed up under a false name in a deceitful attempt to discredit Oztracks business.

This sort if behaviour will not be tolerated on the forum, and Dick's Electronics has been permanently removed from the forum as a result.

Amazing how quickly that was dealt with when others come on under new user names and the mods turn a blind eye.......:confused:

[Sidewindr]

Put it this way, if two users on the forum post from the same computer they are either closely related or the same person, either way there is a rather fishy smell emanating from the while thing :D


Amazing how quickly that was dealt with when others come on under new user names and the mods turn a blind eye.......:confused:

These things are dealt with as soon as it comes to our attention, please elaborate the blind eye turning you are referring to? I am unaware of any.

[SVNLTR]

this thread has turned into shit over what?

can someone explain-i am not to good with computers

[The_Senator]

This thread kinda looks like a bait / troll.

got it in one... I too was a little "suss" when going into such details as "dicks electronics did this, and Oztrack could not" etc...

FFS - be a little less OBVIOUS if people are going to log on as others to discredit them..

Sorry to say, but this seems to be the norm on LS1 of late.. So many "Permanently Banned" users on here that are really just workshops.. Sad.. Truly Sad..

[RetroTuner]

[QUOTE=Sidewindr;1398685]Put it this way, if two users on the forum post from the same computer they are either closely related or the same person, either way there is a rather fishy smell emanating from the while thing :D


Some thing does not add up here. Do you think that Dick would be stupid
enough to use his own PC to set up two different user names for the same
forum?

Dick can supply me with his IP and VU-George's IP . They are totally
different. Anyone can email VU-george and ask him to reply. You too
will have his IP. Do the same with Dick and you will see that not only
the IPs are different their internet provider are different.

I can understand after reading Vu Georges post refering to another tuner as suss...but really its purely someones interpretation of what they have been told after asking around about his problem.

Dick is still waiting to be contacted by the moderator team at this stage as well to forward his case....

Cheers
Kyle

[seedyrom]

Dick can supply me with his IP and VU-George's IP . They are totally
different. Anyone can email VU-george and ask him to reply. You too
will have his IP. Do the same with Dick and you will see that not only
the IPs are different their internet provider are different.
TOR project

Nothing new

(Off topic - apologies if this needs to be deleted)

[boyley]

TOR project

Nothing new

(Off topic - apologies if this needs to be deleted)

Onions make you cry seedy, nice hat by the way:1peek:

[Ryzz]

Some thing does not add up here. Do you think that Dick would be stupid
enough to use his own PC to set up two different user names for the same
forum?

Dick can supply me with his IP and VU-George's IP . They are totally
different. Anyone can email VU-george and ask him to reply. You too
will have his IP. Do the same with Dick and you will see that not only
the IPs are different their internet provider are different.

I can understand after reading Vu Georges post refering to another tuner as suss...but really its purely someones interpretation of what they have been told after asking around about his problem.

Dick is still waiting to be contacted by the moderator team at this stage as well to forward his case....

Cheers
Kyle

Kyle,

You really need to step away from this and stop wasting your breath. Just incase you missed the first 100 times I told you this.


Please go back and re-read my original statement. No information will be disclosed to yourself, and no-one in the moderation team will be discussing this thread or the actions/evidence behind it within the public forum. That has been our stance from day one, and that is still our stance, and it WILL NOT BE CHANGING.

No details regarding ANY moderation actions are ever disclosed on the forum. Please tell Dick/VU-George, and anyone else that you think is involved, that THEY need to contact the moderation team through the relevant channels DIRECTLY, and that you getting on here wanting an explanation on this or that is not going to get any answers.

[RetroTuner]

Ryzz,
Like I said as far as I am aware Dick has tried to contact the moderators without any reply.

Can you please supply an email address/phone number or whatever to ensure Dick can contact you DIRECTLY to defend himself against these allegations.

I dont expect the details to be air here within the forum ,however Dick is entitled to defend these allegations.

If he is found to be in the wrong then you have banned him fair and square...if not I believe an apology will be required....

Cheers
Kyle

[Ryzz]

Ryzz,
Like I said as far as I am aware Dick has tried to contact the moderators without any reply.

Can you please supply an email address/phone number or whatever to ensure Dick can contact you DIRECTLY to defend himself against these allegations.

I dont expect the details to be air here within the forum ,however Dick is entitled to defend these allegations.

If he is found to be in the wrong then you have banned him fair and square...if not I believe an apology will be required....

Cheers
KyleKyle,

There is a contact us form that he can access regardless of his Ban. This is the correct channel to contact the moderation team. Dick would already be aware of this as he has contacted us through this method previously, its nothing new.

[RetroTuner]

Ryzz,
Well Ryzz why has the moderator team not contacted Dick regarding this matter ,as he followed the appropriate channels immediately following his ban?

I find it disgusting that you think that is ok to accuse and vilify a member of this forum openly in public ,but feel it is ok not to respond to his attempts to contact you to clear this matter up.

Cheers
Kyle

[Haroc]

Im closing this thread, its wayyyy off the original topic, if you need to discuss anything email the moderator's, On another note, email is the only way to contact all of the moderator's I doubt highly you will ever be given a phone number to make contact with as we arent on call for the forums nor would we ever be expected to. Get Dick and VU-George to shoot us off another email as the first one may have been binned or skipped over, People tend to forget that we have lives outside this forum and even more so at this time of the year.

[Sidewindr]

Some thing does not add up here. Do you think that Dick would be stupid
enough to use his own PC to set up two different user names for the same
forum?

Dick can supply me with his IP and VU-George's IP . They are totally
different. Anyone can email VU-george and ask him to reply. You too
will have his IP. Do the same with Dick and you will see that not only
the IPs are different their internet provider are different.

I can understand after reading Vu Georges post refering to another tuner as suss...but really its purely someones interpretation of what they have been told after asking around about his problem.

Dick is still waiting to be contacted by the moderator team at this stage as well to forward his case....

Cheers
Kyle

No idea what he is capable of but the fact still remains that they both used the SAME computer .. different IP's yes .. but by golly it WAS still the same PC. Maybe a laptop used at the office and at home :idea: IP addresses are not the only way to track these things, leave these things to those who know what they are doing, I will leave it at that :teach:

Additionally use of the forum is a privilege and not a right and at the discretion of the moderators, check the terms and conditions.