Proposed Barbagallo Raceway Track Upgrades

[Carby650]

Evening Groovers.

Noticed in the Local rag (The West) today that the WA sporting car club has proposed plans for lengthening and improving the track.
Changes made the total length 4.4km's and I was quite impressed by what they had drawn up.
I have done some "Googling" to see if I can locate a map to post up for peoples thoughts however have drawn a blank.
Did anybody else see it today or have a copy to post up.
With luck these changes will get approved and help kep a V8 round in Wait Awhile. :bow:
Cheers
Carby6650

[VW Golf R32]

Please post a picture of the prposed track.

[Carby650]

Please post a picture of the prposed track.

VW Bonnet.
As stated in my post I cannot locate a copy of the map.

cheers
Carby650

[X BC X]

goin to have a scratch around for it now....

as much as im all for proactive moves to secure w.as v8 supercar future, they are seriously flogging a dead stinking horse with barbagallo.... :confused:

should have thought outside the square years ago when they built quit motorplex, still wanna see more effort into organizing a street race around perth (yes i know a proposal was costed and knocked back)

and, as predicted, w.a has rode their wave of riches til the end and have blown their cash and achieved little for the potential, so kiss goodbye any major cash injection from the gov to get something going.

whinge over, merry xmas:xmas:

[VW Golf R32]

VW Bonnet.
As stated in my post I cannot locate a copy of the map.

cheers
Carby650

Obviously. The question was directed to others who may be able to provide such information.

As to your continual reference to VW bonnets, I suggest you keep this fetish to yourself.

[-GTS-]

Evening Groovers.

Noticed in the Local rag (The West) today that the WA sporting car club has proposed plans for lengthening and improving the track.
Changes made the total length 4.4km's and I was quite impressed by what they had drawn up.
I have done some "Googling" to see if I can locate a map to post up for peoples thoughts however have drawn a blank.
Did anybody else see it today or have a copy to post up.
With luck these changes will get approved and help kep a V8 round in Wait Awhile. :bow:
Cheers
Carby6650

What page of today's paper mate?? I have scanned it twice and can not find the article :confused:

[BruteSS]

Back of the motoring section

[-GTS-]

Back of the motoring section

I must be blind - I can't find it.....

[Carby650]

Back of the motoring section

Thanks for that Brute.
Yeh the pic is really poor hence why I was hoping to find something on the net that was better quality.
cheers
Carby650

[HOT LAP]

try this on
http://www.speedwest.net/hosted/images/trackmap.jpg
this one gives some idea of what it will look like
http://i289.photobucket.com/albums/ll217/speedwest/IMG_4473.jpg

[hoon69]

I like what they are proposing,takes away the hairpin turn one and opens the corner up abit with the new turn one.

how would pit lane work?

old exit or the new one at the old turn one,abit iffy being on a sweeping corner you'd think?

[Mungrel]

they need to do something about more roads in & out of the place before attracting more crowd IMO.

But i like the idea of it, looks good :)

[VW Golf R32]

I like it as it keeps all of the good features of the current track. Plus repositioning pit lane will remove the problem of cars being balked entering the current pit straight by slower cars entering the pits.

[Mungrel]

I like it as it keeps all of the good features of the current track. Plus repositioning pit lane will remove the problem of cars being balked entering the current pit straight by slower cars entering the pits.

That happens at almost any track though..
Oran Park was a classic example of that.

[Carby650]

Well done Hot Lap.
Thanks for that.
Of interest there is how the new track enters back onto the new track.
Whilst being a slowish point those with good lines will get some overtaking.
I can also see that the old turn 1 (hairpin) will be a very fast bend a little like turn 8 at Adelaide
Am I correct in thinking that they will also be widening the track too?
Also this track will be unique in that it looks like no other track in Aust.
cheers
Carby650

[Mungrel]

Also this track will be unique in that it looks like no other track in Aust.
cheers
Carby650

Sure about that mate?
Seems somewhat similar to QR.

http://www.gruntgalore.com/qld500lge.jpg

not being a smart-arse, look hard enough at any tracks and there will be similarities, and yes i'm well aware of the elevation changes found at Wanneroo as opposed to QR, but the over-all shape is quite similar.

[Carby650]

Sorry Mungrel but nothing like the paperclip mate. :)

cheers
Carby650

[iloveholden]

Sorry Mungrel but nothing like the paperclip mate. :)

cheers
Carby650

Yeah i have to agree it doesnt really look like any other racetrack in aus....including queensland raceway :)

I have been wanting a street race for years but as that seems very unlikely an upgrade to our track will be good....just have to wait and see if the gov has the dough to pour into it :1peek:

We arnt getting a new stadium either :flipoff:

[Mungrel]

granted there's a few additional bends in the barbagello design, and the straights don't appear as long but there are similarities.

In any case though, i do hope for your sakes the w.a gov backs this proposal. It's long overdue!

[arronm]

At least now we will have 2 left handers.

[KPWISHN]

I like the idea, although a new track in a better location would be nice.

[Carby650]

I like the idea, although a new track in a better location would be nice.

What like Mandurah?? :stick:

Nah quite happy where it is.
I live in Carramar.. :)
Can hear the racing from my place when its on. :burnout:

cheers
Carby650

[KPWISHN]

:) You got the idea. It's a long ass drive from my joint.

I'll be happy with a trade off. The motorplex would be good spot for it.

[iloveholden]

They can put it up here in the hills if they want....plenty of room :)

[Carby650]

They can put it up here in the hills if they want....plenty of room :)

Perth's version of Bathurst. I like your thinking :goodjob:
In fact some of those roads up in the hills are just as scary.
cheers
Carby650

[iloveholden]

Perth's version of Bathurst. I like your thinking :goodjob:
In fact some if those roads up in the hills are just as scary.
cheers
Carby650

Start it around Kalamunda and proceed all the way down Mundaring road into Bickley, then up towards Glenisa and around.....would be a hell scary track :lol:

[HOT LAP]

Moving the track anywhere else would be a realy dumb idea!

[vlcalais2005]

do barbagallo do track days and that

[iloveholden]

Moving the track anywhere else would be a realy dumb idea!

Care to explain? :1peek:

[HOT LAP]

Theres many many good resons to keep it there thats why every other bull shit plan to build a new track or have a street race have always failed.
WASCC are seaking 50 milion for the upgrade and thats only a small fraction of what it would cost to build a new track thats equal to what we already have.
In the mean time while the new track gets built and fitted out theres no V8 round in WA and it could be years before AVESCO puts us back on the calander. Belive me Avesco don't give a shit about the spectators or how long it takes them to get home thats nly a very small part of there pie all they care about is money from TV and and how much the promotor is willing to pay to bring them here. We could have the best track in australia but if the apperance fee isn't right they wont be here

[iloveholden]

Theres many many good resons to keep it there thats why every other bull shit plan to build a new track or have a street race have always failed.
WASCC are seaking 50 milion for the upgrade and thats only a small fraction of what it would cost to build a new track thats equal to what we already have.
In the mean time while the new track gets built and fitted out theres no V8 round in WA and it could be years before AVESCO puts us back on the calander. Belive me Avesco don't give a shit about the spectators or how long it takes them to get home thats nly a very small part of there pie all they care about is money from TV and and how much the promotor is willing to pay to bring them here. We could have the best track in australia but if the apperance fee isn't right they wont be here

Fair enough mate....still think a V8SC street race would be the ultimate draw card for spectators and T.V viewers. :)

[Jonesy40]

the only problem that i can see with the proposed layout is that they will reduce the already limited parking that is avalible. i do realise that this is only a problem for three days a year (supercar weekend). however i think id did read somewhere that they proposed to use part of the existing pine plantation (North of the track) for extra parking.

at the end of the day i dont mind what they do as long as the state goverment come to the party and keep v8 supercars in WA

[Mungrel]

do barbagallo do track days and that

Yes, do a search for No Limits.

They organise the track days / nights.

I went to one when i lived in W.A. A fun night for sure.

Forum members SAJ & R Dirty 3 were / are regulars at them and Hot Lap will also be able to point you in the right direction.

[astrawreck]

All upgrades to the track are appreciated. Any that can ensure the longevity of Barbagallo is great.

Street races are great but if we loose the Barbagallo track then our only choice for grass roots track work is an even longer drive to Collie.

[Carby650]

Guys from the Sunday Times Website...
Looks like things are starting to happen. Althought I wont be popping the champaign cork just yet.

http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,25211242-5005401,00.html

THE State Government has put forward a report suggesting a potential upgrade of the Barbagallo Raceway in Wanneroo.

The report details two possible redevelopments for the existing racetrack and its surroundings.

The first proposal involves expanding the north-eastern corner of the current lease and upgrading the venue’s facilities.

Under this proposal, new pits and garages and a new 1-1.2km track would be constructed.

The second proposal involves expanding north of the lease as well as upgrading and adding about 2km of new track to the existing part of the track.

New pits, garages and general amenities are also included in this proposal.

A detailed master plan will be compiled from the recommendations in the report and is expected to be completed by the end of the year.

Sport and Recreation minister Terry Waldron said both options would meet the technical specifications required for the venue to retain the WA round of the V8 Supercars competition.

“What has been identified is that Barbagallo can, with extensions to the leased area and upgrades to infrastructure, continue to successfully host the V8s and provide for the needs of Western Australians involved in motor sports,” he said.

Waldron said an upgrade would also help improve motorsport in WA.

Chairman of WA Sporting Car Club Rick Gill said the two proposals would mean WA was on par with other international-standard circuits in Australia.

“Once you have international (category) track, you can apply for anything,” he said.

“It opens the door for us to apply to bring these big events to WA.

“We would be on a level playing field with Eastern Creek and Phillip Island.”

Gill said WA would be able to attract other high-profile national events as well as keep hosting a round of the V8 Supercars competition each year.

“It’s really a benefit for all of WA from the point of view of tourism,” he said.

“Wanneroo could continue at club racing level, but we have to look forward and this is a fantastic announcement.”

Gill said the expansion would also allow for several race activities to be run at the same time because the larger area allows for smaller tracks could be created.
cheers
Carby650

[HOT LAP]

Government of Western Australia
Department of the Premier and Cabinet
Minister for Sport and Recreation

19/3/09 Media Statement
Barbagallo development options announced.
A key stage in the strategic development of motorsport in Western Australia has been
announced with the tabling in Parliament of a report setting out potential upgrades to Barbagallo
Raceway.
The report, commissioned by the Department of Sport and Recreation and identifying
two possible redevelopment options for upgrading and enlarging the existing track and
supporting infrastructure, was tabled by Sport and Recreation Minister Terry Waldron today.
“Both options will meet the technical specifications demanded by the V8 Supercars and offer a
better strategic direction for WA motorsport than a street circuit,” Mr Waldron said.
“While the V8 Supercar race round is the biggest fixture on the local motorsport calendar, the
fact is Western Australian motor sports operate all year round.”
The Minister said the report sought to deliver concepts that meet the requirements of V8
Supercars while ensuring ongoing motorsport opportunities for Western Australians across a
range of categories.
“What has been identified is that Barbagallo can, with extensions to the leased area and
upgrades to infrastructure, continue to successfully host the V8s and provide for the needs of
Western Australians involved in motor sports,” he said.
“Racing can continue and expand at what has become its traditional home in the West and on
what is one of the most interesting driving circuits in Australia.
“We have worked closely on this project with the Western Australian Sporting Car Club
(WASCC) and I would like to thank them for their invaluable input.”
The first option involved expanding the land area in the north-eastern corner of the existing
lease, improvement works to the current facilities, including new pits and garages and the
construction of 1 to 1.2 kilometres of new race track.
The second option involved expanding north from the existing lease, an upgrade of the existing
track as well as construction of approximately two kilometres of additional track. Other
improvements were new pits, garages and general amenities.
The next step would be to develop a detailed master plan based on the redevelopment options
presented in the report. It was expected that the master plan would be completed by the end of
the year.

[Tre-Cool]

why doesnt the government make use of some of speeding fines and driving offences to fund the upgrades.

They could then say we help pay for it, the track will be used for driver education etc. Improve driver training, to lower deaths etc.

actually that's too logical for the government and would reduce their cash cow....

[Carby650]

[QUOTE=HOT LAP;1464226 It was expected that the master plan would be completed by the end of
the year.[/QUOTE]

Problem is that the end of the year might be too late....
V8SC are looking to a Singapore round next year and if that happens kiss goodbye to the WA round.

cheers
Carby650

[HOT LAP]

Problem is that the end of the year might be too late....
V8SC are looking to a Singapore round next year and if that happens kiss goodbye to the WA round.

cheers
Carby650

Agreed if we loose the V8s for 2010 i woul expect they wont come back for a minimum of 2 years once the gap has been filled

[HOT LAP]

DSR report out and looks like good news
>>>>>>

Preliminary Project Concept March 2009

Related topics: facility,motor sport

Preliminary Project Concept Final (with appendices)5.78 MB





Barbagallo Report 1 Final (with appendices)5.83 MB




Background
GHD Pty Ltd was engaged by the Department of Housing and Works (DHW) on behalf of the Department of Sport and Recreation (DSR) to conduct a review of Barbagallo Raceway in Wanneroo, Western Australia. The focus of the review was to identify and quantify the improvements needed to ensure the site is suitable to continue hosting future rounds of the V8 Supercars Championships. Barbagallo Raceway is the only permanent facility in Western Australia capable of hosting a V8 Supercars Championship event. V8 Supercars Australia Pty Ltd (V8 Supercars) has publically declared that it will exclude Barbagallo Raceway as a racing venue if major track improvements are not completed within the next year or two.


The review has been completed in two stages. The first stage involved the preparation of a Needs Assessment and Site Condition Report that identified three options for improvement. It should be noted that while input was sought from V8 Supercars, no feedback or confirmation was received in relation to the options presented in that report. The second stage was the completion of a Business Case, the subject of this report.


Business Case Methodology
In conducting the Business Case Analysis, three distinctive infrastructure options were assessed:

No infrastructure improvements;
Minimum upgrades to meet current needs; and
Upgrade to international racing standards.
The financial analysis of the options was focussed on the calculation of the Net Present Value (NPV) of investment based on operational cost data provided by the Western Australia Sporting Car Club (WASCC), and capital cost estimates estimated by GHD. It should be noted that financial data provided by WASCC was very limited, particularly related to the V8 Supercars event. This has impacted the accuracy of cash flow projections.

With regard to capital investment, three scenarios for each of the options have been analysed: government grant, shared investment and commercial loan.

WASCC Financial Capacity
WASCC is not currently able to generate sufficient recurring revenue to provide a full capital contribution towards a significant upgrade to Barbagallo Raceway. WASCC must realise income from new initiatives and activities if it is to have the capacity to sustain higher operational costs that may be generated by the proposed infrastructure upgrades, or to service any loan that may be required to meet the capital costs of the required infrastructure upgrades.

Capital Investment
No potential investors other than the State Government were identified. Given WASCC's financial status, the development of the facility will be wholly reliant on funding provided by the WA Government.

Although WASCC appears to be the only organisation with the resources and technical knowledge capable of organising and running the events at the track, the management of marketing and promotion could be significantly improved for large scale events, particularly the annual V8 Supercars round. Further investigation into external management and/or promotion of the V8 Supercars event could occur in the Master Planning Phase for this project, given the strong linkages between marketing and the attributes of the raceway infrastructure.

Conclusions
Infrastructure Option 1 does not involve any major upgrade to the track or facilities and as such the capital cost is nil. Minor improvement works by WASCC are likely to continue as part of its normal operations. However, these works are unlikely to adequately address the key issues raised for the raceway with the exception of potential improvements to the promotion of the V8 Supercars event.

As detailed financial information pertaining to the V8 Supercars event was not provided by WASCC for reasons of commercial confidentiality, estimations of possible revenue losses can not be determined with confidence. However, it is assumed that there would be no growth in WASCC membership and even a potential decline in existing member support.


Infrastructure Option 2 involves improvement works to the current facilities, new pits and garages, and construction of 11.2km of new race track. These improvements address most of the key issues raised by V8 Supercars and the current users of the facility. This option presents economical advantages not only to WASCC, as new sources of revenue could be realised, but it may also create financial and social benefits for the community in general.

From WASCC's perspective, the financial viability of Options 2 is to a great extent directly related to the extent of the capital contribution required from WASCC. As concluded from the NPV analysis, any capital investment exceeding 10% of the total upgrade cost will be financially unsustainable for WASCC as it would be solely reliant on the achievement of recurring increases in revenue to cover the major loan obligations.

Other risks associated with this option include the environmental constraints associated with the rezoning of the additional land required for track extension, as well as the possibility that V8 Supercars would raise further issues with the raceway in the future as no improvements to the existing track are included in this option.


Infrastructure Option 3 involves an upgrade of the existing track as well as construction of approximately 2 km of additional track, up to current Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA) standards. Other improvements are new pits, garages and general amenities as well as significant upgrades to existing medical facilities.

Significant growth revenue opportunities can be realised through this option. With the proposed upgrades the facility would be capable of hosting international racing events as well as the addition of other motor racing categories. However, as concluded from the NPV analysis, any capital contribution exceeding 30% will compromise the financial ability of WASCC to achieve positive cash flows. In addition to some environmental constraints associated with the rezoning of the additional land required for track extension, this option creates some challenges for WASCC as it would have to maximise the utilisation capacity of this new facility. This will place significant additional pressure on WASCC to organise and run several additional events per year including international racing categories.

Special attention should therefore be given to better promotion and management of events, and some partnership model options could be explored.

Recommendations
GHD recommends Infrastructure Option 3 based on a 100% government grant as the funding scenario. This is subject to master planning and the resolution of land availability issues mentioned in this report. It is also recommended that WASCC continues managing the facilities and events at Barbagallo Raceway and is responsible for undertaking ongoing facility maintenance and provision for capital replacement over the life of the facilities.

The specific recommendations are:

Retaining V8 Supercars event at Barbagallo Raceway is the preferred outcome irrelevant of the three options proposed. Long term viability of the both the facility and WASCC is dependant on a hosting of large scale events.
Retain WASCC as the operational manager of Barbagallo Raceway for all of the proposed options to ensure the facility is well maintained and continues to deliver services to the motor sport community.
State Government as the sole capital contributor for the upgrading of the facility. Any significant upgrade to the facilities is unlikely to be recovered through an increase in revenue. WASCC is responsible for all maintenance and restorative capital contributions, usually allowed for at a rate of 2% of the capital costs per annum. Due to the high use and nature of the facilities and amenities that would be provided it is recommended that this allowance be higher than 2% and is to be determined in the Master Planning phase.
That a collective group is formed from the key stakeholders including WASCC and the City of Wanneroo for promotion and marketing of major events including V8 Supercars.
Should there be support for a significant upgrade of the facility, a Master Plan and supporting Business Case are required to ensure the project is sufficiently defined and outcomes are reached.
That any important decisions made regarding the improvement of the facility, are to be inclusive of all users and other potential categories. Apart from the diverse revenue opportunities generated through an integrated approach, in the long term this would produce greater financial and social benefits to the larger community.

[Carby650]

Well done Hot Lap. Thanks for the info.

Now lets watch our Govt do nothing with the report like successive govts have done with most major sporting facilities in Wait Awhile.
Defeatist - Yes. History will show that is the case... Please let me be wrong.
cheers
Carby650

[astrawreck]

is there any update on this?

[A^K^T]

It would be interesting to see what sort of money they are talking on option two and three .

Option three sounds like it has the best potential for keeping the V8 Supercars crossing the continent to come to Perth as well as attracting an international event or two , but it sounds like it isn't that viable money wise .

[Carby650]

Well here we are Mid-July and nothing from our government.
Looking at the below link from the V8SC website it is clear that with Tassie now likely to go back to the November date that they are already making plans for no Perth round next year.

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/content/hero_news/july_2009/focus_turns_to_sydney/

And you will hear these excuses from the government saying the V8SC gave them no time or some other wank of blaming previous govts or something.

end rant / dumby spit.

cheers
Carby650

[V8BEER]

:soap: USELESS F#$KIN GOVERNMENT BETTER PULL THEIR HEAD OUT THEIR ARSE AND SPEND SOME COIN ON WANNEROO :flipoff:

[estate]

it does get beyond a joke with such stalling
I recall a few years ago a friend was in charge of producing a F1 spec track down near collie all was going ok , project was afew years in the making but in the end got canned because of some rare flower that grows in the area , but rather than source an alt site , it was just all too hard and given up on

[iloveholden]

The government here are useless...they dont want to build a stadium or organize a street race, therefore i cant see them spending any money on Barbagallo unfortunately.

[A^K^T]

it does get beyond a joke with such stalling
I recall a few years ago a friend was in charge of producing a F1 spec track down near collie all was going ok , project was afew years in the making but in the end got canned because of some rare flower that grows in the area , but rather than source an alt site , it was just all too hard and given up on

I remember someone mentioning that there was a rare plant or flower on the land in between the pistol club i am a member of and the cemetery , next thing i knew that land was cleared . Now there's a brickworks where there used to be a golf course and the land that the pistol club is on is going to be used to plant people and no alternative land can be found for the pistol club.
Ain't life grand in Wait a while .

[HOT LAP]

The Collie thing was never gonna happen!

Things are looking better week by week for Barbagallo
You can read the latest media release at wascc.com.au

[HOT LAP]

herd today that we should know in late Aug!
WA Gov are pushing for a 10 year deal with AVESCO

[Carby650]

herd today that we should know in late Aug!
WA Gov are pushing for a 10 year deal with AVESCO

Lets hope it is something positive Hot Lap.
Any indications as to what is progressing?

cheers
Carby650

[HOT LAP]

Lets hope it is something positive Hot Lap.
Any indications as to what is progressing?

cheers
Carby650

it will be an extention and pit garages at turn one aparantly all signs of a yes are very good.
Super Charge Batteries just signed a 3 year deal with WASCC for naming righs of the main straight, signs went up yesterday

[Martin_D]

Spent some time at Barbagallo yesterday driving a Mines R35 GTR. This is simply a brilliant track, so technical and undulating, with plenty of sand around the backside of long track.....maybe a little narrow, but still a great challenge. Upgrades would make it even better :cool:

[Carby650]

Spent some time at Barbagallo yesterday driving a Mines R35 GTR. This is simply a brilliant track, so technical and undulating, with plenty of sand around the backside of long track.....maybe a little narrow, but still a great challenge. Upgrades would make it even better :cool:

Agreed Tuna.
It is a lot more complicated then it looks on tv.
Is a fantastic track and will only be better with the upgrade which I think includes track widening

Hot Lap.
So am I correct that the full (option 3) upgrade is getting the go ahead?
If so that is great news.

cheers
Carby650

[Martin_D]

Yes very impressed with it :)
Its up there with some of the better Japanese tracks like Central IMO (and they are VERY good!) :cool:

[HOT LAP]

I was at the track a few days ago and work has started on what looks like a big skid pad on the infeild of turn one?????

[VYSHSV8]

I was at the track a few days ago and work has started on what looks like a big skid pad on the infeild of turn one?????

That was always there its just a matter whether people came of track or stayed on it :):)
and created a dust cloud :lol:

[HOT LAP]

:lol:you can speak for yourself

[VYSHSV8]

:lol:you can speak for yourself

I'll give ya that one :rofl::rofl::rofl:

But hope it all goes ahead as planned :):)

[BruteSS]

:lol:you can speak for yourself

Ahem, Truck race meet a couple of years ago...

HQ driver on the warm up lap...

Ring any bells... :stick:

[Carby650]

More commentary about next years calender on the V8 Supercar site yesterday around Perth being on notice. "fix the track or we are out of here"

I hope this gets sorted soon

cheers
Carby650

[Carby650]

More from the V8 supercar site.

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/content/hero_news/september_2009/were_not_bullies_tc/

Can not believe they have had 2 consultant reports delivered already and now waiting on a third which will not be delivered until the end of year.
No wonder we lose all these events.

cheers
Carby650

[Carby650]

Well I'm still on the band wagon.
Wanneroo round next weekend.
Wouldn't it be nice if they could make some announcement... if any during the weekend.
I'm looking forward to getting out there next weekend. Could be our last so make the most if it.


cheers
Carby650

[Tre-Cool]

After 5 years. V8SC should say there not coming next year. Tell em you had your ****ing chance WA Government. Call us when you do something.

[Carby650]

Well I finally spat it.
Thought there was no point bitching here and preaching to the converted so tonight I sent an email to the Premier and the local member who also is the local member who covers the Wanneroo raceway area.

Copy below.

cheers
Carby650

Mr Barnett.

I write to you in an attempt to gain some positive action on the upgrade of Wanneroo Raceway.

Firstly may I say I have no affiliation to the Wanneroo Sporting Car Club or any other vested interest except that I and my family love the V8's and the Wanneroo Round.

I understand that you have engaged a consultancy group to investigate several different proposals and they have made recommendation for option 3 being the full upgrade and extension of the track.

Whilst I would be most pleased to see some announcement next weekend during the round of the V8 supercars I fear that you and your people are still sitting on your hands. I hope that this is not the case however I am currently sceptical.

Sir, the V8 supercars receives some of the largest television audiences of any sport in Australia. The Bathurst telecast this year was second only to the AFL grand final in sporting audience this year.
It is a family sport. My wife , 2 children and I go out there every year and have even travelled to the Adelaide event last year to watch the V8's live.
If you are still yet to make a decision on whether this track should receive an upgrade I ask you to make your way out to the track next weekend.- Talk to the public and please talk to the drivers.
Have a look at the size of the crowds that attend.
This event should be a major player in the Western Australian sporting calendar instead it could be lost because of short sighted penny pinching.

The V8 Supercars receives substantial sponsorship from many Australian companies and most of them have Western Australian connections. In fact some of these companies are even Western Australian owned.
The drivers are decent people who don't get caught up in the drinking , drug ect scandals of many other sports. They are good role models for our children. Surly this is a sport the government should be looking to put their (our) money into.

Sir, Western Australia was once the state of excitement. This is now far from the case and I am afraid that my dollars will need to be spent interstate to go and watch live the sport my family and I love. Whilst I appreciate that there are many other priorities a government must juggle surly there must be some responsibility on the government to ensure that the tax paying public are provided with some social / entertainment facilities. I mean I even have to travel interstate to see my football team, the West Coast Eagles, play because our stadium isn't big enough and we can't get in.

Please if you are still undecided get yourself out there next weekend or at the least send your local member to have a look. (It could be the least he could do as to date I and many people I speak to in Carramar are far from impressed with his performance. - remember Paul Miles you won by only 321 votes!!)
The V8 Supercars are one of the biggest sporting events in the country. How embarrassing would it be for Western Australia to be the only state in Australia to NOT hold an event because we could not support a track to hold the event.

I look forward to your response.

[LS2_307]

Good on you mate. :goodjob:

I spat the dummy when they knocked back the street race proposal, yet they keep on shutting down the city etc for Fu%$n push bikes.

I will be out there too and signing anything that resembles a petition

Get rid of that useless mayor if u ask me. She said she was going to change Perth from dullsville.... :flipoff:

[A^K^T]

After 5 years. V8SC should say there not coming next year. Tell em you had your ****ing chance WA Government. Call us when you do something.

If the WA government were interested in there being a diverse range of activities and events for the people of Perth to attend something like that may prod them into action .

The Moterplex is good with the speedway and 1/4 mile and Wanneroo Raceway has served it's purpose (and continues to do so) but there needs to be a reason for event organisers to want to come to Perth , We are still a long way from everywhere and it's a fair effort to get here .

Carby650 , perhaps a few of us could copy your email and add that we agree with the contents and send them to Mr Barnett .

[iloveholden]

Carby650 , perhaps a few of us could copy your email and add that we agree with the contents and send them to Mr Barnett .

Thinking the same thing. If Carby says its ok and gives us the email he sent it too i'd love to copy his email and say in response i agree with this public representative :)

[Carby650]

Thinking the same thing. If Carby says its ok and gives us the email he sent it too i'd love to copy his email and say in response i agree with this public representative :)

Thanks guys however I think the message will be lost if we bombard him with "+1" emails.. :)
If anything Wanneroo Car Club needs to ensure that there a petitions ect at every entrance gate next weekend.

I just hope he gets out there next weekend. Like most pollies he most likely thinks its just an event for a bunch of bogans to get together. That couln't be further from the truth. (although there is a little bit of closet bogan in me...shhhh don't tell anybody)

cheers
Carby650

[V8BEER]

Well done Carby650. I like you love going to wanneroo, but cant make this year due to work, 2nd year in a row - S#$T. Im afraid it is the last time too. Looks like interstate trips from here. went to QLD raceway for my 30th weekend. Another fellow wanneroo shire person that thinks something needs to be done.

P.S the wa government sucks balls, whoever supports the V8s, gets my vote!

[iloveholden]

Thanks guys however I think the message will be lost if we bombard him with "+1" emails.. :)
If anything Wanneroo Car Club needs to ensure that there a petitions ect at every entrance gate next weekend.

I just hope he gets out there next weekend. Like most pollies he most likely thinks its just an event for a bunch of bogans to get together. That couln't be further from the truth. (although there is a little bit of closet bogan in me...shhhh don't tell anybody)

cheers
Carby650

Thanks cool mate, just good to see someone doing something about it :goodjob:

This government, in particular the Premier, doesnt actually like sport. He never shows an interest in anything sport related although the previous government did (The premier was an out loud Dockers supporter), i think this really makes a different to their mind set towards sport and how important it is.

I love Perth but i wish our Government would have the balls like a Melbourne or Sydney who strive to gain large event sporting events or otherwise and chuck money at it to achieve it for their public interests.

We are well and truly in Wait Awhile.:bawl:

[LS2_307]

Latest news is they are throwing $5M at it as a temp measure.

Waste of money in my book. As usual they are patching things up!

Like someone has already said. Other states jump at these things and throw money at it because they have balls and get things done. Not wait a while! and see what others do.

They will probably do it in 8 years time........ like the footy stadium ...fuc* me

:flipoff:

[Carby650]

Latest news is they are throwing $5M at it as a temp measure.

Waste of money in my book. As usual they are patching things up!

Like someone has already said. Other states jump at these things and throw money at it because they have balls and get things done. Not wait a while! and see what others do.

They will probably do it in 8 years time........ like the footy stadium ...fuc* me

:flipoff:

Agreed. The big issue is the pit lane. This announcement does not deal with the issue which the the biggest safetly issue there.

They will try to make out that they are doing something yet they are doing nothing.
If this was Victoria it would just happen.

Sorry not convinced.

Cheers
Carby650

---------- Post added at 06:53 PM ---------- Previous post was at 06:41 PM ----------

Received an email today from Paul Miles office their email and my reply below

Thank you Sherryl for you response.
Unfortunately this is clearly not enough.
Shame however if this was Victoria (the Sporting capital of the world from the announcements this week) the track would have received the full upgrade required immediately.
V8 Supercars have said that the biggest issues with the track is pit lane. This measure does not address this.
I hope that the V8 supercar people tell you mob that this is unacceptable because it is.

Do it properly of don't bother at all

regards
XXXXXXXXXXXXXX


Hi, xxxxxx:



Thanks for your email regarding your concerns about the Barbagallo Raceway. I’ve passed it to Paul to make him aware of the matter and he will be responding to you in the near future.



Paul has just attended the announcement today by Sports Minister, Tuck Waldron, regarding the $5 million funding injection for the Raceway, so I’m attaching a copy of the Minister’s media statement for your information.



We will be in touch with you again soon, but feel free to call our office on 9405 1244 if we can assist further in the meantime.



Regards,





Sherryl Stiles

Electorate/Research Officer to:

PAUL MILES MLA

MEMBER FOR WANNEROO



Tel 9405 1244

Fax 9405 1399

[iloveholden]

I love the return email Carby.."Do it properly of don't bother at all" - damn straight :)

[HOT LAP]

This is a huge insult but if it keeps the Supercars here then whateva.

Raceway gets $5m for upgrade13-November-09 by Edited announcement
The state government will inject $5 million to upgrade Barbagallo Raceway, which a report deems as the best venue for local and major national and international motorsport events.
Sport and Recreation Minister Terry Waldron announced the upgrade today and said track safety would be a key focus of work done at the track.
"Close to $5million will be injected into WA motorsport and will result in a better track and safety gains," Mr Waldron said.
"The upgrades will include widening, resurfacing and lighting of the entire track, improved safety fencing and upgraded communication equipment.
"The funding will allow for the installation of CCTV cameras for increased safety and provision of a portable media centre and briefing room for the drivers."
The upgrade is a joint project between the State Government and the Western Australian Sporting Car Club (WASCC).
Mr Waldron said the raceway had been confirmed by the GHD report as the best venue formotorsport events.
"Retaining and improving Barbagallo builds on the legacy created by the WASCC, which has been operating from the venue since 1967," he said.
"Barbagallo is used every week of the year by local motorsport enthusiasts but is also frequently used by WA Police and other driver training and road safety organisations."
"Part of the $5million new funding will also pay for the necessary planning approvals for a potential new track and racing complex expansion to the north of the existing track."
The long term vision outlined in the GHD report will ultimately provide greater flexibility and additional amenity for all users of the track," the Minister said.
The Minister thanked the WASCC for its extensive involvement in the process the club's development committee chairman Russell Sewell welcomed the announcement.
"This is a great result for the motorsport community in WA," Mr Sewell said."It will provide us with a solid base for growth into the future."

[Rub]

me english speak good

[Carby650]

From the V8 Suprcar site today.

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/content/hero_news/november_2009/2010_perth_date_still_provisional/


"V8 Supercars Australia (V8SA) Executive Chairman, Tony Cochrane, has advised a $5 million upgrade to Barbagallo Raceway will not be enough to retain a V8 Supercar event in Perth beyond 2009.

In the lead-up to this weekend’s BigPond 300 at Barbagallo, the Western Australian Government announced $5 million will go towards widening and resurfacing the 2.4km-long track, improving safety fencing and upgrading communications equipment.

Works are scheduled to start in the first quarter of next year and will take a year to complete.

Cochrane congratulated circuit operator, the Western Australian Sporting Car Club (WASCC), in acquiring the money for the “desperately needed” upgrade but said the June 4-6 date for the V8 Supercars to appear at Barbagallo in 2010 remained provisional.

He will meet the state’s Sports Minister, Terry Waldron, in Perth on Friday to discuss the recent announcement.

“Unfortunately at this stage the upgrades for V8 Supercars to return to Barbagallo are not included in the plans for the near future,” Cochrane said.

“We look forward to our meeting this Friday with the minister and trust a way can be found to ensure one of the world’s leading touring car categories returns to WA.

"If not this will be our last year until the facilities meet the necessary OH&S requirements for the V8 Supercar Championship Series as we have reiterated on many occasions, over many years to both the Government and WASCC.”

Waldron said the upgrade is a joint project between the Government and the WASCC and that track safety was the focus.

“Close to $5 million will be injected into WA motorsport and will result in a better track and safety gains,” he said.

Part of the upgrade includes lighting the whole track, which could pave the way for V8 Supercars to hold a night race down the track.

The WA Government has indicated it is willing to commit $47 million to double the length of the track and build a brand new pit complex, but that it cannot budget this work for another two to three years."

Now after my email the other day I got a call from the Local MP, Paul Miles.
He actually impressed me with his interest in the track and willingness to get things moving. Problem is how much was lip service.
I took him to task over the improvements and how the announcement does NOT addess the safety issues. I also raised the exact point that the V8's might not accept this half assed upgrade. Whilst he tried to convince me the money was allocated for the full upgrade I did question then why was the full upgrade not announced. As I mentioned to him the sceptic in me thinks they will just do the minimum (well actually less then the minimum in this case) to keep the V8's here and then withdraw funding for the rest. Which is something which often happens in WA.

cheers
Carby650

[V8BEER]

what the government has done is PISS WEAK :soap: wave goodbye to the V8s in perth for at least 5yrs, probably more

[EXCESSV]

another article today on the loss of the V8s in perth :vpo:
http://www.watoday.com.au/sport/end-of-the-road-for-v8-supercars-in-perth-20091118-iloj.html?page=-1





This weekend's V8 round at Barbagallo Raceway looks set be the last in WA, after competition chairman Tony Cochrane voiced his anger at the State Government's refusal to commit to comprehensive upgrades of the track's "substandard" facilities.

With tens of thousands of fans due to flock to the Wanneroo raceway this weekend, Sports Minister Terry Waldron is due to hold talks with V8 bosses on Friday about the future of the event.

However, judging by the comments of Cochrane this morning, Waldron, and the $5 million commitment to some upgrades to the track he announced last week, will get a frosty reception.

"Many years ago we gave quite a detailed report to the then-government about the things that would need to be rectified in order for us to keep racing," Mr Cochrane said.

"Unfortunately in the ensuing six years there has been really very little movement.

"We are asking for a fair dinkum (commitment), instead of this going on year, after year, after year.

"From our point of view, and for literally for hundreds of thousands of fans in WA, we are sick of being put in a position where a gun is held to our head.

"We have been coming there for many, many years, we have done our part. We spent the millions of dollars every year, and we want real certainty that development is going to take place, and that when it takes the pits and the paddock problems are really going to be resolved.

"We are bit sick of 'pie in the sky', to be frank."

Speaking on ABC radio, Mr Cochrane said it cost the competition $2.5 million to come to WA every year - and the teams were not prepared to come to somewhere they felt was unsafe.

"Clearly we can't keep going somewhere where we are in defiance of the OHS laws of the state of WA," Mr Cochrane said.

"Our pit crews do (think it is dangerous).

"All the OHS (problems) in the pits and paddock all unfortunately keep existing ... For us we have to be realistic here that it is probably the end of the road."

The V8 Supercar calendar for 2010 currently includes a Perth fixture, but this is a provisional date that organisers can still withdraw.

Mr Cochrane's comments were in reaction to the Government's challenge last week for the V8 competitions to commit to a WA race, despite a full $50 million revamp of the Barbagallo track being deferred.

Plans to extend the track to double its size have been put on hold because of the $50 million price tag, but the Government still said it was confident the $5 million stop gap would be enough to keep the race.

But Premier Colin Barnett warned today he and his Government would not be held to ransom despite the massive popularity of the Supercar series in WA.

"We are not going to be threatened," Mr Barnett told ABC radio.

"I know the ($5 million) does not satisfy the needs of the V8 Supercars ... but we are not going to be able to suddenly produce $60 or $70 million ... out of our schools or health budget.

"They have had good support from the WA public and the government over the years, and it has got to the stage where we need a major upgrade for a track.

"But I am not going to be threatened by individual sporting groups."

[Carby650]

OK they (the Govt) had these plastered up around the track today. Effectively everythin except their $5mill upgrade already annoued is "proposed".
Hope it is clear enought to read.

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t204/carby650/img045.jpg

http://i161.photobucket.com/albums/t204/carby650/img046.jpg

cheers
Carby650

[KAL SPL]

http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x127/KAL_SPL/img046.jpg

High res for those that want to see specifics :)

Thanks for the email.

[Road Warrior]

$50 Million over 5 years:

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/content/hero_news/november_2009/barbagallos_v8_future_looks_secure/


Barbagallo’s V8 future looks secure

Tuesday 24/11/2009 14:00

Author: Briar Gunther | Source: BigPond Sport - copyright
BigPond Sport - copyright

Positive talks between V8 Supercars Australia (V8SA) and the Western Australian Government mean Barbagallo Raceway is almost definitely back on the cards as one of the venues the V8s will visit in 2010.

V8SA Executive Chairman, Tony Cochrane, met with WA Sports Minister, Terry Waldron, last Friday in response to the Government’s $5 million commitment to Barbagallo.

They have come up with a solution to see that money better spent to ensure the V8s head west next year while enhancing amenities for the WA Sporting Car Club which runs the facility.

Waldron also attended the BigPond 300 last Sunday for a hot lap with V8SA Board member and former Supercar driver Mark Skaife to get an idea of what goes on at Barbagallo during a V8 meeting and what the track is like when the V8 drivers are going full-throttle.

“On Friday afternoon I met with the V8s and we had a very productive meeting and there were some issues raised and some suggestions put forward as to how we can make some changes,” Waldron told a media scrum on Sunday.

“There’s no doubt there are issues here; we’re fully aware of that.

“We’ll do our best to meet what V8s and the Car Club of WA, who race here too 51 weeks of the year as well, (need).”
Waldron said he was confident the parties would work through the issues and that V8 Supercar racing will continue in WA.

“It’s been a great opportunity for me as a minister to actually meet with the V8 people to actually hear their expertise, their very positive suggestions, some of their concerns and it was good for me to come out here on race day to see some of the concerns on a day when it’s actually happening,” he said.

“And I think it will help me greatly and help us to work together to get a good outcome; one for motorsport in Western Australia, for the V8s and for the public of Western Australia.”

Cochrane was also upbeat about the recent talks.

“We shared our vision of how the $5 million could be better utilised to ensure the V8 Supercars keep coming here,” he said at Barbagallo Raceway.

“It’s a state we want to come to, it’s a venue we want to come to, and working with Mark Skaife I think we’ve come up with some great solutions and we’ll now get them on paper.

“I’m like the minister, I’m pretty confident we can find a way forward here which is excellent for motorsport in Western Australia and fantastic for all the V8 Supercar fans in WA.”

Barbagallo Raceway still remains as a provisional date on the 2010 V8 Supercar Championship and this may not change until January.

Cochrane, who has previously pushed for a street race in Perth, said Barbagallo was now V8SA’s preferred venue because there were now enough street races in other states.

He also backed a major overhaul of the track’s facilities which the Government has planned in the next five years at a cost of up to $50 million.

“That’s a big spend… but it will be money very well spent for the future of motorsport in WA and it will ensure us coming here for many, many years to come,” he said.

Four WA natives lined up on the V8 grid last weekend, including 2007 V8 champ Garth Tander from Toll Holden Racing Team and Triple F Racing’s Dean Fiore.

Fiore described a WA event as “critical” to the V8 Supercar championship, pointing out that a number of big sponsors are based in the west.

“I think it’s very important, especially for me with all my friends and family over here and as you can see by the crowds that we draw, the fans love it,” he said.

“I’ve got guys that watch me on TV all the time and this is the first time they have actually been to an event and they go ‘so this is how it actually all works’.

“I think it just completes the championship as a whole.

“It’s an international championship now but originally it was a national championship so to have the whole of Australia involved, I know it’s a massive gap in between the west and the east and it’s a mission for the boys to come over but it’s worth it, definitely.”

I'm glad that the proposed works will leave the basin alone. That's one of the best corners around.