Busted ve sump

[Delft Maloo]

im up the shit with my ve atm, drove to orange for work today at the races, we setup than i parked the car inside the inner area of the track for our couple of guys that work for us to get around in, well first race comes and they drive off.. 20m later a massive bang wtf they keep driving, i get a call over the 2way saying they hit a rock(you think:vpo:) then another call saying the oil light is on. after the race i set about going over to check it out hoping the filter is punctured, i follow a 400m trail of oil in the grass:confused:, i get there and the guy is so upset he is nearlly crying:bawl:. anyway i jack the car up and bam there's a friggin hole in the bottom of the sump big enough to put my thumb through:soap:. 150klm's from home i am so im worried allitle how i get the car home and fixed asap as its the family car and we need it obviously, i rang my mate that works at holden to ask if ve's nromally have sump gaurds? the answer NO wtf cheap arse holden bastards:flipoff:.
Well my mate is kind enough to go pick up a car trailer for us and come down in his colarado to tow us home:goodjob: allthough a ve doesn't fit on a car trailer that easy with the front bar still on but i couldnt be bothered taking it off and i didnt really give a toss about a few scratches on the bar now. 80kph trip home as she got the speed wobbles at any more than that.
Oh well the cars off the trailer now in the drive way and i have to make room to get it back in the garage so i can pull the sump off to get it fixed, i priced up a new sump and suprisingly there are at least 3 different model numbers for l98 sumps in ve's:confused: and they didnt have the $ for my version but the other sumps started at over $650+gst for the sump alone:bawl:, i think ill be paying another visit to my alloy welder unless someone has a second hand one for me.
Gotta work tomorow aswell so i might get to it monday or tuesday hopefully cant take to long as the maloo only has 2 seats and when there is the 4 of us its a little useless atm.
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[Tre-Cool]

who cares about the price of a new sump. your not paying for it surely???

[Delft Maloo]

It was an accident and the guy has offered to pay for it but im not gonna expect him to to empty out his pockets in full, i just cant do it.

[Uncle Tone]

VE sumps must be a bit fragile....I saw a holed one in the rubbish drum at the back of Chevs the other day.

[tim_k]

That's a shocker. Glad your mates were able to come to your rescue.

[X BC X]

although i dont know the rock that did the damage personally, and his sump destroying potential....but i dare to say a sump guard would have prevented that little drama :vpo:

thanks holden :goodjob:

[bad88u]

1 new sump.+ 1 new sump gaurd.:bawl:

[matthewfnorbert]

just weld it! job done.

[duke5700]

Should be able to weld it, they will just have to heat the alloy up and try there best. The cast al is ok as I welded my AN-10 returns for my turbos onto it without to much hassle. Would cost $100+ for a decent tig guy to sort it for you. Only thing it it may warp a bit, best bet after that is to take it to a engineering shop and get them to make sure its still square and maybe get it machined flat to be sure. All up shouldnt cost you more than $200 smackers.

If your lucky you may find the broken bit inside the sump and that will make it easier to weld. Though if it was me I would cut it out square and neat and then box it in with fresh al.

[WA1TNC]

VE sumps must be a bit fragile....I saw a holed one in the rubbish drum at the back of Chevs the other day.

hey UT did it look anything like this 1...... chev fixed mine 2weeks ago, mine's a ls1 sump tho.


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courtesy of "spirited" driving and a gutter.... :doh:

[Uncle Tone]

hey UT did it look anything like this 1...... chev fixed mine 2weeks ago, mine's a ls1 sump tho.


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courtesy of "spirited" driving and a gutter.... :doh:

Hehehe.....that looks like it!

Sorry I thought someone said it was of a VE...... :doh:

[WA1TNC]

Hehehe.....that looks like it!

Sorry I thought someone said it was of a VE...... :doh:

i wish it was a VE sump....and the rest of the engine 2 go with it in the engine bay!

[Delft Maloo]

i was pretty disgusted to find out that holden had got so tight that they did not fit basic essantials such as sump gaurds anymore, my bloody vu has one on it.

[BLACKVE]

i was pretty disgusted to find out that holden had got so tight that they did not fit basic essantials such as sump gaurds anymore, my bloody vu has one on it.

Weird isn't it my LS1 VX Berlina(02 model) had one, VY clubsport didn't and both ve's don't

Well done HOLDEN saved $5 a car:vpo:

[ringram]

HSV VE R8's dont have one either!

[bad88u]

are they optional on the ve or they dont have thread holes to fit them anymore.

[Devil CV8]

i was pretty disgusted to find out that holden had got so tight that they did not fit basic essantials such as sump gaurds anymore, my bloody vu has one on it.

The VS never had sumpguards (did 2 in a month in the Telstra car) and now they don't again. Just a matter of knowing this and driving appropriately. After all, how many sumps get damaged normally?

[rgmast]

VY Storm didnt $1200 later to find out :flipoff::vpo:

[Micks]

are they optional on the ve or they dont have thread holes to fit them anymore.

Generally have the holes for them but you need what's called a jacking nut to be fitted into it.

Cheers
VYT

[Tre-Cool]

my vy ute had a sump guard but it was only made out of alluminium and i had to take it off all the time for oil filter changes so never worried about putting it back on.

I figure if it's made out of alluminium it aint going to stop nothing from punturing through.

[4A10SHN]

Shouldn't cost you anymore than $100 to get someone to tig weld that up. Just clean it up the best you can before you take it into be welded. Also any marine fabrication shop will be able to weld it.

Also the hole being where it is shouldn't cause any of the sump to warp while welding so will be pretty straight forward :)

Did the VE turn itself off once it lost oil pressure?

Good luck

Josh

MetalCraft

[Delft Maloo]

Did the VE turn itself off once it lost oil pressure?

Good luck

Josh

MetalCraft

Apparently not, the guys drove about 400m and when they had to stop to drop someone off the light came on then so they shut it off there, the line of oil ran right up to the point wher the car stopped.
I had to drive the car up onto the trailer to get it on and the motor was still quiet with no valve train noise while loading(only30-50sec running), when we got home we pushed it off the trailer as to not damage the motor.

I just got home from work so now iv got to go out in the garage and make room so i can get the car in there, dads coming over in the morning to give me a push into the garage, then the fun starts.
I gave dale from castle hill a buzz to see if i can get the sump off with out removing the whole front end and apparently i can be done with out to much trouble, so im hoping things are quick and easy.

Whats even better is a member has offered me a new ls3 sump thats not needed in an engine conversion of his so once i confirm it will fit(shouldnt see why not) ill have it freighted away.

[redvxr8clubby]

Don't know about an SS but I think sump guard might have come with a country pack option on some models - probably Omega, Berlina and Calais etc.

[Delft Maloo]

Done a bit of cleaning up in the garage tonight so i can get the ss in there in the morning and start working on it.
It was and still is a bit messy, every time i clean up i find something else to do and it gets messy again.
pushed the bikes out but had to put them back in again so i can lock them up.
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[HazzaHSV]

Bloody hell Tim. That's a tough day at the office. Very unfortunate.

I still owe ya that LS1 sump too! Glad to see everything worked out with finding a second hand one.

[macca_loto]

Smashed sumps, ugly ugly ugly. Did it do any internal damamge or did they shut it off?

[Delft Maloo]

Bloody hell Tim. That's a tough day at the office. Very unfortunate.

I still owe ya that LS1 sump too! Glad to see everything worked out with finding a second hand one.

cheers hazza, i havent been worried about that sump atm so no rush. hopefully the ls3 sump will fit, holden have atleast 3 different sump part numbers for l98 ve's but i wouldnt think there would be any difference between l98-ls2-ls3 ve sumps their all the same basic blocks in the same shape vehicle?


Smashed sumps, ugly ugly ugly. Did it do any internal damamge or did they shut it off?

i had to run it for a few seconds to get it on the trailer but the motor still had oil in it and was quiet, what was in the engine after loading found its way to the trailer bed, we pushed it off so not to run the engine again.

[HYMEY]

Easy to get off mate. Undo the engine mount bolts and jack to bellhousing up about an inch so u can tilt the sump to clear the pickup, and steering.

[Delft Maloo]

Easy to get off mate. Undo the engine mount bolts and jack to bellhousing up about an inch so u can tilt the sump to clear the pickup, and steering.

Sweet hymey, dale said it was pretty straight forward and by your discription it should be a breeze, lend me yours hey:rofl:.

Well the ss is back on the road, i spent the day working on the car. First job was to move the bikes again to make room then push the car out on the street and turn it around so i can go in forwards, lucky enough my mate benny from up the road was just driving past so a quick phone call was made and he came back to give dad and i a hand.

Once in the garage we pushed her up on the mini ramps that davehat organised for us, these were good as the gave us about 10cm more clearance for the jack to go under. once jacked up the body stands have to go under for my own saftey and so i could get the jack out of the way again.

At least holden made getting the sump off a ve easier than the last shapes, all thats required to do is undo all the sump bolts, hoses and wiring brackets from the sump and than undo the the nuts on the bottom of the engine mounts from underneath, once undone i hooked up my engine crane onto the front pickup point and lifted the motor up about an inch or so just enough to make a little more room at the front of the sump around the steering rack. The hardest part of the removal was getting at the front bolts and hose brackets on the front of the sump, this was done by removing the very large plastic tray that fits between the front bar and crossmember, not to hard but a lot of little push plugs that hold it in place and they were a pain to get out without breaking them, a bit of pulling and pushing got it out and gave all the accsess in the world to the front of them motor.

Well the sumps off and iv gone to see if my alloy welder is back at work and luckly he is, he was nice enough to get straight on to it. Dave fired up the tig and started to fill up the hole, a fair bit of time was spent slowly filling the hole to make sure it sealed properly and that the sump didnt warp aswell. After working his way from the inside to the outside the sump was left to cool down and then filled with kero to see if there were any leaks and as expected there was none and best of all it cost me just $100 in cash.

The reinstall started with a thorough cleaning and drying of the sump then i threw it all back together with a new filter and some new oil, while under the car i pulled out one of the o2's and threw in my wideband sensor so i could finish my tuning.
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[OPTIMUS]

im sure i wont be the only person to wondering but ill save them from asking..... where did you get those lil car ramps from?? ideal for low low cars.

[4A10SHN]

Told ya it would only be around $100 :)

[Y55-7UT]

im sure i wont be the only person to wondering but ill save them from asking..... where did you get those lil car ramps from?? ideal for low low cars.


ideal for low cars!! hell yeah, got them from tr@ckchat group buy, aparently caravan,4wd shops have them as well as either repco's or autobarns.

Also how did you go with them slidding around, because the chunky start of the ramp makes the car push them before it gets a chance to drive up them, i have to put cut offs of carpet underneath so it grips into it??

[PBoB]

...VY clubsport didn't...

:shock:

My VZ SS has one, galvanised steel.

Glad to hear it's all sorted quickly and cheaply, one question though, how come you didn't just go through warranty? Is it out of warranty by now?

[Delft Maloo]

Only 1 of mine slipped a little, and that was most likely due to the dirty floor and not having the ramps lined up even enough while pushing the car up. On a concrete surface i think a strip of rubber across them would add a little extra grip, these ramps are originally made for use with caravans in parks and such most likely on grass or dirt.

The sump has help up well so i cant complain allthough i still would have been happier for it to have not happened. I ordered a sump gaurd from holden the other week aswell, that cost me about $170 and its plastic, thick plastic but geez i thoughtit would of at least been metal. Havent put it on yet and its still sliding around in the back of the ute atm.
Ill take some photo's of the gaurd when i put it on.


:shock:

My VZ SS has one, galvanised steel.

Glad to hear it's all sorted quickly and cheaply, one question though, how come you didn't just go through warranty? Is it out of warranty by now?

Warranty wont cover accidental damage, i did consider calling the roadside assistance but they would have picked the car up and taken to the nearest holden dealer which was the place i got the car from but its 150klms from home and than it would have taken days to get a new sump and i would have had to go back down there to pick it up again.

[hRTHSV]

Did you think about insurance claim, I know a bloke who's insurance company told him he was getting a new engine he said no and just took the sump. He had a bolt go through his on the road and stopped straight away, went straight htrough the VY sump gaurd and throught the sump. Insurance companies prefer to change whole motor rather than buy sump and then find they then need to buy engine.

[Delft Maloo]

Did you think about insurance claim, I know a bloke who's insurance company told him he was getting a new engine he said no and just took the sump. He had a bolt go through his on the road and stopped straight away, went straight htrough the VY sump gaurd and throught the sump. Insurance companies prefer to change whole motor rather than buy sump and then find they then need to buy engine.

Yeah but it would have been $400-$500 excess and still more time with out the car, all up it cost me $65 fuel, $100 repair, $20 filter, $60 oil and a few hours of my own labour and 2 days(inc sunday) with the car off the road.

[EXCESSV]

did u end up pricing up a sump gaurd???

[Delft Maloo]

did u end up pricing up a sump gaurd???

It was around $175 inc bolts. I havent fitted it yet and havent really looked at it but its made out of plastic and is approx 4-6mm thick.

[EXCESSV]

It was around $175 inc bolts. I havent fitted it yet and havent really looked at it but its made out of plastic and is approx 4-6mm thick.thanks for the info :D