What do you think about the new ford V8's

[splcrazy]

well im a true holden blood , but with all the headaches and crappy build, and quality that i have encounted with my VE SS , im starting to lean over the fence to a ford maybe . lol im so into holden that i have no idea of what the names of the ford models are lol:) but i saw the new shape v8 ford maybe a GT or something it was maybe but definatly a V8 and a nice damn ferrari red it was. I would only drive and own a ford if it was a V8 only.

[Number55]

well im a true holden blood , but with all the headaches and crappy build, and quality that i have encounted with my VE SS , im starting to lean over the fence to a ford maybe . lol im so into holden that i have no idea of what the names of the ford models are lol:) but i saw the new shape v8 ford maybe a GT or something it was maybe but definatly a V8 and a nice damn ferrari red it was. I would only drive and own a ford if it was a V8 only.

Hmmmm wel IMO thats the worst thing to do..
I like the new Ford shape, but the bunnet bulge looks sh!t. It makes the whole car look like a retarded camry.
The only reason I would jump over to the dark side is for the turbo6's.
They are a true weapon and alot of fun (well they seem to be!)

The Ford build quality in interior is dreadful and i think they feel like your driving a toy car... the seating position and general feel is crap.

The MODERN V8 that cant compete with the Holden is a grweat engine, but would have been alot better a couple of years ago.....

I drive the XR6's as hire cars and they are really good.... but interior and poor performing v8 lets em down.

Thats me

[chevypower]

Well the 5.4L V8 is about ready to retire. 5.0 DOHC "Coyote" V8 and 6.2L OHC "Premium" V8 just around the corner. Who knows which one Ford Australia will use. Ford also has the EcoBoost technology too, so there should be some serious power and torque coming.

[chook]

Mate I don't thing the 5.4 is a patch on the holdem motors. As far as build quality goes, do you really thing there will be much of a difference. Ford, Holden there all built to a price. Sorry to hear that youv'e had issues with your VE. Perhaps I'm lucky but had it close on a year so far with no dramas.Good luck with your decision

[steve_t]

You'd only get me into a Ford if it was a black FPV F6 sedan. Their utes are ugly as shite. Their V8's are slower and drink way more fuel. Just my 2c ;)

[VW Golf R32]

Forget the Ford V8 as they are boat anchors. The Turbo I6 is the only engine worth considering.

[Big_Valven]

Why don't you put on a nice pink frock and TAKE IT TO A FORD FORUM. Honestly, why are you looking for ford advice on a Holden forum??? :confused::confused:

[SS346]

well im a true holden blood , but with all the headaches and crappy build, and quality that i have encounted with my VE SS , im starting to lean over the fence to a ford maybe . lol im so into holden that i have no idea of what the names of the ford models are lol:) but i saw the new shape v8 ford maybe a GT or something it was maybe but definatly a V8 and a nice damn ferrari red it was. I would only drive and own a ford if it was a V8 only.

and i suppose the ford has much better quality. :confused:

[Knawful]

They put a circle around the problem. :spew:

[FOON]

I have no problems with the quality of my BF F6, and all my mates that have LS1's dont seem to have any issues with quality either. My personal opinion (Flame suit on) is that they are a much of a muchness, but in saying that I have a mate who has a G6E Turbo and the problems would be enough for me to run the car through the front door of Fords HQ. Now on the V8 debate, if I were to buy another V8 to go with the F6 it would most certainly be a LS series Holden, bang for buck the LS engines flog the ford Boss, not enough scope for grunt without spending copious amounts of money, so if any Holden lovers want to jump the fence get in a turbo you wont be sorry (unless your a deadset V8 person). Oh and the Ford symbol is an Oval the Lion symbol is in a circle hahaha

[Oldmate83]

What happened to your SS?

[Number55]

I have no problems with the quality of my BF F6, and all my mates that have LS1's dont seem to have any issues with quality either. My personal opinion (Flame suit on) is that they are a much of a muchness, but in saying that I have a mate who has a G6E Turbo and the problems would be enough for me to run the car through the front door of Fords HQ. Now on the V8 debate, if I were to buy another V8 to go with the F6 it would most certainly be a LS series Holden, bang for buck the LS engines flog the ford Boss, not enough scope for grunt without spending copious amounts of money, so if any Holden lovers want to jump the fence get in a turbo you wont be sorry (unless your a deadset V8 person). Oh and the Ford symbol is an Oval the Lion symbol is in a circle hahaha

This man is onto it....

But remember a ford employee was told to circle the problem....
and he couldnt even do that properly. Nuf said!

[FOON]

My best mates a LS tuner go figure :confused: if your in it for performance theres only 2 types, either the Ford Turbo :bow: or the Holden V8, in my book they both have done very well in developing these cars for the common man, and for all the Ford vs Holden shit, we all should be very grateful that we have IMO some of the best muscle cars built in the world.

[splcrazy]

Why don't you put on a nice pink frock and TAKE IT TO A FORD FORUM. Honestly, why are you looking for ford advice on a Holden forum??? :confused::confused:

so that i can get a true answer from holden owners about what they think of fords . There is no point going to a ford forum and asking a bunch of ford lovers what they think about their beloved fords lol they will just say fords are the best and holdens are shit

[cashie]

I went from a Holden V8 to a Ford I6 Turbo and quickly back to a Holden V8...... 'nuff said!

[clubbie]

I went from a Holden V8 to a Ford I6 Turbo and quickly back to a Holden V8...... 'nuff said!

Yeah but you change cars as often as I change socks:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Excellent]

A guy posted the problems Wheels encountered with the FG V8 on another forum. Have a read here. (http://fordforums.com.au/showpost.php?p=2499679&postcount=143)

[FlatfootV8]

well im a true holden blood , but with all the headaches and crappy build, and quality that i have encounted with my VE SS , im starting to lean over the fence to a ford maybe . lol im so into holden that i have no idea of what the names of the ford models are lol:) but i saw the new shape v8 ford maybe a GT or something it was maybe but definatly a V8 and a nice damn ferrari red it was. I would only drive and own a ford if it was a V8 only.

I use to own a BA XR6 Falcon you will be sorely dissapointed to find out the quality isn't any better than Holden. My VE Calais V8 has spent more time on the road than in the dealers like my XR6 did...

[Road Warrior]

Mate I don't thing the 5.4 is a patch on the holdem motors. As far as build quality goes, do you really thing there will be much of a difference. Ford, Holden there all built to a price. Sorry to hear that youv'e had issues with your VE. Perhaps I'm lucky but had it close on a year so far with no dramas.Good luck with your decision


Forget the Ford V8 as they are boat anchors. The Turbo I6 is the only engine worth considering.


I have no problems with the quality of my BF F6, and all my mates that have LS1's dont seem to have any issues with quality either. My personal opinion (Flame suit on) is that they are a much of a muchness, but in saying that I have a mate who has a G6E Turbo and the problems would be enough for me to run the car through the front door of Fords HQ. Now on the V8 debate, if I were to buy another V8 to go with the F6 it would most certainly be a LS series Holden, bang for buck the LS engines flog the ford Boss, not enough scope for grunt without spending copious amounts of money, so if any Holden lovers want to jump the fence get in a turbo you wont be sorry (unless your a deadset V8 person). Oh and the Ford symbol is an Oval the Lion symbol is in a circle hahaha

These guys are right...if you want true V8 performance stick with the LS. I don't mind the Boss V8 but the idea of a big heavy cast iron lump making the front nose heavy and with a stroke longer than the bore is wide, does not a good performance car make. Come 2010 when the Boss is put out to pasture and replaced with the new one well that could be a whole new ball game.

Ford and Holden are no better than each other; you're not going to get a quantum leap of interior build quality by changing brands. As one other has pointed out, they're both built to a price and don't have the multi-billion dollar development budgets behind them to keep all the European and north American customers happy with build quality.

[ratter]

What do you want to do with the car??

The Boss motor is underarted by a lot of people. Mainly by people that have not driven one.
If you want a car you can push into corners, the front end weight may be an issue for you, in stock form.

As far as performance goes, A stock GT will match a stock Clubsport or stock F6, just pretty much depends on driver.
Performance wise, it would be hard to beat the F6 for bang for the buck when it comes to moding it.

If drag racing is your thing, setting up the car properly, the boss can run 11's unopened, truley unopened, original valve springs etc.

You are best to drive the different cars and form your own opinion.

[Falcon SXR8]

What ratter said, the Boss is so underated it makes me sick. 99% of people who bag it have never driven one. Shure a typhoon might beat it but the REAL LIFE difference is so little that it comes down to the driver every time. If you want to see potential go and have a look at the times they can run with your own eyes on the strip and don't listen to a heap of guys who go off what there mates say about bob down the road who had a cousin who drove a boss and it was as slow as a datson.

The REAL problems with the boss are its weight and its low down tourqe.

[German Statesman]

Anything that needs to be said has appeared in previous posts. I did 475,000kms in a BA 5.4 LTD sedan limo, and it was a pig of a car let alone talking about the engine itself.

I've been lucky with cars and have always got good ones (touching wood here) but the LTD was a crash and burn. Admittedly it got kms up quickly and anyone that runs them as commercial vehicles is a hard taskmaster, but when you have broken timing chains at 205kms, consistent valve rattle and ticking lifters right from new, regular carbon buildup in the combustion chambers, ravenous fuel consumption (we got to calling it Oliver Reed it drank so much) and a PULP-only diet, its a bit hard to stomach.

Good points? The induction roar on full throttle made me go all tingly and the exhaust roar did too, very responsive motor especially on Ultimate and the whole car was actually very agile and handled quite well.

Just a shame everything else fell apart around it.

In case everyone thinks I expected too much out of it, I had trouble free runs out of a WH Grange, W126 300SEL Merc, E38 740iL BMW and now no probs on 60,000kms in a diesel 300C.

[Number55]

The REAL problems with the boss are its weight and its low down tourqe.

Why buy a v8 then?

[FOON]

I wouldnt be comparing the Boss with the F6 because it has nothing on it, Old to new F6 vs GT the F6 has won every time and now the gap is nearly a second over the quarter, you cant tell me that the new GT would keep up with a W427 where as the F6 is a couple of tenths off, these 2 being in the very low 13's tested by the media with the GT still in the 14's. The real world figures have seen the F6 hit 12.69 in stock form, like to see the GT come close to this STOCK haha. The sales figures on these cars also tells a story in a way, Ford have stopped making GT's because they cant sell there floor stock. Oh and I have driven them and still being a Ford Lover my experiences with both V8's the LS series really does win.

[vecommo]

What ratter said, the Boss is so underated it makes me sick. 99% of people who bag it have never driven one. Shure a typhoon might beat it but the REAL LIFE difference is so little that it comes down to the driver every time. If you want to see potential go and have a look at the times they can run with your own eyes on the strip and don't listen to a heap of guys who go off what there mates say about bob down the road who had a cousin who drove a boss and it was as slow as a datson.

The REAL problems with the boss are its weight and its low down tourqe.


Pfffft, what a load of rubbish.

They are widely recognised as a boat anchor and rightly so. I have driven a number of examples and have always come away underwhelmed, at times questioning whether they should be named 'Boss 160' rather than 260. For all its mass and complexity, it produces very little gain in return. It has bugger all torque down low then runs out of puff very early, leaving only a minimal amount of useable power in the rev range.
It is common knowledge that the Boss V8 is fundamentally and inherently flawed, being slapped together from a parts bin rather than designed from scratch. Its long stroke bottom end severely compromises its ability to rev, with piston speeds and inertia causing reliability and longevity issues when revved. There have been many documented examples of these engines being dead by 100,000km and I have personally witnessed examples with as low as 60,000km blowing blue smoke and rattling like an old 180B.
So in summary, they are fundamentally and inherently flawed, physically massive and heavy, are unnecessarily complex and a nightmare to work on, have questionable reliability and longevity, have nowhere near the potential of an LSx, do not respond as well to mods as an LSx and have nowhere near the aftermarket available as the LSx.

Quite frankly, unless you are a blue blooded drongo I would recommend to steer well clear. Anybody who thinks the Boss V8 is in the same league as the LSx must be seriously deluded.

[FOON]

What do you want to do with the car??

The Boss motor is underarted by a lot of people. Mainly by people that have not driven one.
If you want a car you can push into corners, the front end weight may be an issue for you, in stock form.

As far as performance goes, A stock GT will match a stock Clubsport or stock F6, just pretty much depends on driver.
Performance wise, it would be hard to beat the F6 for bang for the buck when it comes to moding it.

If drag racing is your thing, setting up the car properly, the boss can run 11's unopened, truley unopened, original valve springs etc.

You are best to drive the different cars and form your own opinion.

Not doubting you mate but you telling us you havent done oil pump gears?

[German Statesman]

Pfffft, what a load of rubbish.

They are widely recognised as a boat anchor and rightly so. I have driven a number of examples and have always come away underwhelmed, at times questioning whether they should be named 'Boss 160' rather than 260. For all its mass and complexity, it produces very little gain in return. It has bugger all torque down low then runs out of puff very early, leaving only a minimal amount of useable power in the rev range.
It is common knowledge that the Boss V8 is fundamentally and inherently flawed, being slapped together from a parts bin rather than designed from scratch. Its long stroke bottom end severely compromises its ability to rev, with piston speeds and inertia causing reliability and longevity issues when revved. There have been many documented examples of these engines being dead by 100,000km and I have personally witnessed examples with as low as 60,000km blowing blue smoke and rattling like an old 180B.
So in summary, they are fundamentally and inherently flawed, physically massive and heavy, are unnecessarily complex and a nightmare to work on, have questionable reliability and longevity, have nowhere near the potential of an LSx, do not respond as well to mods as an LSx and have nowhere near the aftermarket available as the LSx.

Quite frankly, unless you are a blue blooded drongo I would recommend to steer well clear. Anybody who thinks the Boss V8 is in the same league as the LSx must be seriously deluded.

What he said.

How can a long stroke motor that won't rev have no torque? It goes against auto engine design engineering principles but somehow Ford have done it :confused:

[planetdavo]

What he said.

How can a long stroke motor that won't rev have no torque? It goes against auto engine design engineering principles but somehow Ford have done it :confused:
I've always wondered if this motor would have been better with a 2 valve head, being a long stroke design that should work better at low revs, an area 4 valve heads often lose torque around. It would also remove quite a bit of top-heaviness in the engine bay.

[cashie]

What he said.

How can a long stroke motor that won't rev have no torque? It goes against auto engine design engineering principles but somehow Ford have done it :confused:

Having previously owned 2 Boss engined cars over recent years I can say it doesn't touch an LS engined Holden.... anywhere!
It is a frustrating engine, it wants to rev but is hamstrung by the stroke. Drove me crazy running it out through the gears, just as it came on song - fuel cutout... :confused:
The engine is far too heavy and causes the front end to plow through corners.
Tuning them for power is a lot more expensive than an LS.
One thing it DOES have, a nice engine note. :1peek:


What ratter said, the Boss is so underated it makes me sick. 99% of people who bag it have never driven one. Shure a typhoon might beat it but the REAL LIFE difference is so little that it comes down to the driver every time. If you want to see potential go and have a look at the times they can run with your own eyes on the strip and don't listen to a heap of guys who go off what there mates say about bob down the road who had a cousin who drove a boss and it was as slow as a datson.

The REAL problems with the boss are its weight and its low down tourqe.

Maybe you need to experience owning both (Boss and LSx) and living with both on a day to day basis?
Your last line is a good summary of a couple of the Boss shortcomings.


Yeah but you change cars as often as I change socks:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Gee, I don't want to smell your feet.......... :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:
I do change cars too often, just don't tell the wife!

[chevypower]

What he said.

How can a long stroke motor that won't rev have no torque? It goes against auto engine design engineering principles but somehow Ford have done it :confused:

You can have all the stroke you want, but if you have a tiny bore, you won't get the torque you are expecting. I wouldn't say the 5.4 has no torque. It's closer in total capacity to the GM 5.3 V8 (with regard to torque), and the Ford craps all over the GM's 5.3. The Ford 6.2 coming out, has a larger bore, but shorter stroke than the 5.4 and of course will still have a lot more torque. The design of the 5.4 would suggest it has a high torque to horse power ratio, and it does. The 2009 F150 (3 valve) has 310 HP (same as the Chevy 5.3), but the Ford has 390lb-ft of torque, whereas the Chevy has 338. So nobody is breaking the laws of physics.

[VW Golf R32]

Come 2010 when the Boss is put out to pasture and replaced with the new one well that could be a whole new ball game.

The code names for the new Ford V8 "Hollywood" and "Miami" suggest more glitz and glamour then real substance.

[VECALAISV8]

Well i have both the VE Calais V8 with the 6 litre, a BF GT BOSS 290 and my FG XR6 as a work car..

Firstly in comparison between the 6 Litre 270 kw and the 5.4 290 they are basically lineball, I have driven the 260 Boss powered XR8s and will agree these cars are sluggish and lack down low grunt. The Boss 290 on the other hand once run in seems to be a much better proposition. We have tested both cars and can say that the boss gets off the mark quicker with the ZF 6 speed auto (both cars driven in auto mode) while the Calais reels it in by about 120 - 130 kays an hour.. after that they basically keep with each other..

While some may say the VE 270 motor is fitted to a lessor car then the 290 BOSS you have to remember that the 270 has beaten the 307's fitted to the E Series HSVs on numerous occassions.

It all comes down to the driver and car, you can get duds in either! Build quality wise the FG wins hands down over the VE and BF.. The fit and finish in the FG cars is awesome, plus the centre ICC is also ahead of that in the commodore, that still doesnt even have IPOD integration or a reverse camera.

I would go drive a Boss 290 XR8 and a Boss 315 GT then go back to holden and compare, I doubt ull come home noticing much difference at all, except the Ford has a better auto, thats if your buying auto!

If you want the quickest car of all do urself a favour and buy a F6 310!

[German Statesman]

I've always wondered if this motor would have been better with a 2 valve head, being a long stroke design that should work better at low revs, an area 4 valve heads often lose torque around. It would also remove quite a bit of top-heaviness in the engine bay.

I remember a Holden drivetrain engineer telling me that back in '97 his team politely questioned the wisdom of the LS pushrod over the SOHC & DOHC Ford Romeo V8s coming out - they were told as well as simplicity and low cost of manufacture the LS would have no inertia or tensioner problems commonly associated with the valvetrain mechanism of OHC engines and no width problems with the massive area of the engine equipped with these heads (Chrysler had similar width issues with the old centre spark plug Hemis, and they are a difficult fitment in anything smaller than a fullsize Mopar).

A customer who worked for Millard Design (no, not the caravans) also told me an interesting anecdote - around 2002 Ford US told Ford AUS it wasn't possible to put the 4.6 DOHC heads on the SOHC 5.4 long motor...being used to this sort of crap from Dearborn, not only did Ford AUS complete the task, but sent over a complete prototype BA XR8 manual sedan with a tag on it with something along the lines of "Told you so." Not only did Ford US bring out the 5.4 in limited DOHC numbers, it also supercharged it for the F150 Lightning and finally addressed the torque shortcoming of this engine.

Its worth noting too that Ford AUS were informed the Ford 4.6 was a hugely better option, but were remembering the .8 of a litre size advantage when the 5.8 Cleveland was pitched against the 5.0 Blue motor in the Battle Of The Caravan Haulers of the '70s...ironical that the 351/5.8 Cleveland was known as an inferior torque motor ironically because the size of its huge 4V chambers gave high RPM advantages and no torque....

[XR6 Martin]

A customer who worked for Millard Design (no, not the caravans) also told me an interesting anecdote - around 2002 Ford US told Ford AUS it wasn't possible to put the 4.6 DOHC heads on the SOHC 5.4 long motor...being used to this sort of crap from Dearborn, not only did Ford AUS complete the task, but sent over a complete prototype BA XR8 manual sedan with a tag on it with something along the lines of "Told you so." Not only did Ford US bring out the 5.4 in limited DOHC numbers, it also supercharged it for the F150 Lightning and finally addressed the torque shortcoming of this engine.



Incorrect.

Ford's 5.4 DOHC first came out in 1999 (well before Ford oz ever saw it) in the Lincoln Navigator, it was a longer block version of the 4.6, and used the 4.6 heads from the Mustang Cobra and Lincoln Mark VIII.
In 2000 Ford released the Mustang Cobra R, same 5.4L Block as the Navigator, but with redesigned, higher flowing heads. (and engine internals)
Ford Lightning never used the 5.4 DOHC, it was only ever the 2v SOHC 5.4. (1999-2004)
Ford GT uses an alloy 5.4 block, even higher flowing Cobra R heads and supercharger.
Shelby GT500 uses cast iron 5.4, GT heads and supercharger

Ford Ozs 5.4s use the cast iron block and redesigned 4.6 heads, similar to the Cobra Rs, but not exactly.

[ratter]

Not doubting you mate but you telling us you havent done oil pump gears?


Raced with standard oil pump gears.
It was allways in the back of my mind though, whether there would be a failure or not after hearing some horror stories.

[chevypower]

The code names for the new Ford V8 "Hollywood" and "Miami" suggest more glitz and glamour then real substance.

The code names are "Coyote" for the 5.0 V8 and "Premium" for the 6.2 V8
"Lion" for the 4.4 V8 diesel, and "Scorpion" for the 6.7 V8 diesel.


Incorrect.

Ford's 5.4 DOHC first came out in 1999 (well before Ford oz ever saw it) in the Lincoln Navigator, it was a longer block version of the 4.6, and used the 4.6 heads from the Mustang Cobra and Lincoln Mark VIII.
In 2000 Ford released the Mustang Cobra R, same 5.4L Block as the Navigator, but with redesigned, higher flowing heads. (and engine internals)
Ford Lightning never used the 5.4 DOHC, it was only ever the 2v SOHC 5.4. (1999-2004)
Ford GT uses an alloy 5.4 block, even higher flowing Cobra R heads and supercharger.
Shelby GT500 uses cast iron 5.4, GT heads and supercharger

Ford Ozs 5.4s use the cast iron block and redesigned 4.6 heads, similar to the Cobra Rs, but not exactly.

That is correct, and interesting that they ditched the DOHC for a 24 Valve 5.4 V8 that produced the same power and torque and got better fuel economy. The DOHC 5.4 has been dead for a while in the US.

[Micks]

Do we really need to discuss this here?

Cheers
VYT

[chevypower]

Do we really need to discuss this here?

Cheers
VYT

Yes we do!

[Dacious]

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for any new Ford V8s. They just completely canned their GRWD chassis which was to undepin all the various brands which were to use the 5.0 inlcuding the Falcon. The only RWD chassis to continue is the Mustang, which can't be melded with Falcon or vice versa They are saying the Taurus SHO with 3.5 Ecoboost is to be the performance headliner.

Coupled with which, Obama has just allowed States to re-require emissions and consumption laws in excess of the national standard, reversing Bush policy, and it's known some like California are going to legislate on things like CO2 and mandatory economy - hows 40mpg average sound? That means 'muricans might end up all driving Fiestas!

The new 5.0 is not light, not small and not cheap. It may be extremely restricted as to what it is fitted in - might make it in a top-end FPV. That makes the best performing Ford likely to remain the XR6T - at least until they kill off the Orion. As you aren't likely to see another RWD Falcon and this one may not even last to 2013, don't wait to buy.

The 6.2 is still an unknown except that a SOHC version will end up in Trucks/SUVs. It's not really designed for cars.

[XR6 Martin]

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for any new Ford V8s. They just completely canned their GRWD chassis which was to undepin all the various brands which were to use the 5.0 inlcuding the Falcon. The only RWD chassis to continue is the Mustang, which can't be melded with Falcon or vice versa They are saying the Taurus SHO with 3.5 Ecoboost is to be the performance headliner.

Coupled with which, Obama has just allowed States to re-require emissions and consumption laws in excess of the national standard, reversing Bush policy, and it's known some like California are going to legislate on things like CO2 and mandatory economy - hows 40mpg average sound? That means 'muricans might end up all driving Fiestas!

The new 5.0 is not light, not small and not cheap. It may be extremely restricted as to what it is fitted in - might make it in a top-end FPV. That makes the best performing Ford likely to remain the XR6T - at least until they kill off the Orion. As you aren't likely to see another RWD Falcon and this one may not even last to 2013, don't wait to buy.


Actually the new 5.0 is quite compact, especially when compared to the 4.6 and 5.4

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[EgoFG]

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for any new Ford V8s. They just completely canned their GRWD chassis which was to undepin all the various brands which were to use the 5.0 inlcuding the Falcon. The only RWD chassis to continue is the Mustang, which can't be melded with Falcon or vice versa They are saying the Taurus SHO with 3.5 Ecoboost is to be the performance headliner. ....... As you aren't likely to see another RWD Falcon and this one may not even last to 2013, don't wait to buy.

You seem to know more than any actual press releases ... care to give some authority to these claims ?

IMHO these are the Actual known Facts:
Ford's new GRWD is canned.
Mustang RWD will continue
Plans for Panther (Crown Vic etc) replacement/update are not known
Plans for Aust Falcon replacement/update are not known
I6 plans are not known beyond current updates to allow its continued use next year.

The 5.0 is planned to be used as an economical engine (along with ecoboost V6 which may be 3.7 IIRC) for the Fseries platform (the biggest selling platform for many years in the USA.

Sorry, I am an interloper - as a lover of Australian Cars - please check my facts and criticise them if they are wrong.

[snappy]

I find i quite amusing that people are saying the boss has no low down torque.
I believe it was motor magazine that had the fpv315 and the hsv317 on the dyno . The boss has more torque and kw the whole way through the rev range.
The hsv won the 1/4 mile though and there had been much debate about why .
couple of this we thought were .
1. The boss had to change and extra gear in the 1/4 mile
2. hsv has wider rubber
3. Boss possibly has torque tags to save the drivetrain under strain.

So basically there a lot of bashing for a motor that pruduces more power and is a smaller capicity than it rival.
Yes there slower but not sure if it the motor letting it down other than it weight anyway.

[German Statesman]

Ah well, anecdotes are anecdotes and we all had a good laugh without fear of being arrested by the Incorrect Police....

I read too that the Panther platform from 1979 has had a repreive - its a full chassis full size platform underpinning the Lincoln Town Car and Ford Crown Victoria. The press are aghast that it's 30yrs old and carries a 5-star crash rating but that's not unusual in full chassis vehicles.

Facelifted Crownies and Town Cars are expected in '10 apparently.


I find i quite amusing that people are saying the boss has no low down torque.
I believe it was motor magazine that had the fpv315 and the hsv317 on the dyno . The boss has more torque and kw the whole way through the rev range.
The hsv won the 1/4 mile though and there had been much debate about why .
couple of this we thought were .
1. The boss had to change and extra gear in the 1/4 mile
2. hsv has wider rubber
3. Boss possibly has torque tags to save the drivetrain under strain.

So basically there a lot of bashing for a motor that pruduces more power and is a smaller capicity than it rival.
Yes there slower but not sure if it the motor letting it down other than it weight anyway.


With all due respect, you're referring to a current model where 6yrs of customer feedback have meant many of the issues have been addressed...motor scribes have long complained of no low down torque in the 5.4s and the test between the BA GT and the VY Clubbie said the exact opposite to your new test...

As a matter of interest, lack of torque 'feel' was a common customer complaint in the early days of the LS1 too I remember - not really addressed until LS2 arrived.

[VW Golf R32]

The code name......"Lion" for the 4.4 V8 diesel

Not correct as that name is already in use for another engine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_AJD-V6/PSA_DT17

[chevypower]

Not correct as that name is already in use for another engine:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ford_AJD-V6/PSA_DT17

Did you read the bottom of that page?

[Road Warrior]

Actually the new 5.0 is quite compact, especially when compared to the 4.6 and 5.4

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t261/yu_surf75/phpThumb_generated_thumbnail.jpg

Interesting. What car is that in? I take it that's a prototype...

[chevypower]

I'm betting it's the 2010/11 Mustang. They had one at the car show i went to last week... not sure what was under the hood though. They also had quite a few of the current model Mustangs, so I guess it was an indication that it's not an immediate release for the 2010.

[F6 Hoon]

http://www.drive.com.au/Editorial/ArticleDetail.aspx?ArticleID=62920

[Pickles]

I read that article....300kw from 5 litres.....sounds a lot to me.
I had heard that Ford U.S.had a 6L engine under development, which was also being considered by FPV....evidently not.
Can't see any 5L engine getting on top of HSV's LS3s, particularly with other much more powerful variants of that engine available, should HSV wish to "up the ante" a little bit more.
Cheers, Pickles.

[VW Golf R32]

Well the 5.4L V8 is about ready to retire. 5.0 DOHC "Coyote" V8 and 6.2L OHC "Premium" V8 just around the corner. Who knows which one Ford Australia will use. Ford also has the EcoBoost technology too, so there should be some serious power and torque coming.

Miami. .

[Road Warrior]

The 6.2 has been ruled out

Because of it's iron block and probably didn't want another iron block truck engine that struggles to do the job the LSx can do relatively easily

[F6 Hoon]

It's the last paragraph in that article that is of most interest. Will HSV still be around to combat anything Ford/FPV release?

[lowriding]

your sounding like a broken record now vt2exec , funny how you constantly bag vecommo for precisely the same thing you are...having one eye does that , but you cant see your both 2 peas from the same pod !

[F6 Hoon]

your sounding like a broken record now vt2exec , funny how you constantly bag vecommo for precisely the same thing you are...having one eye does that , but you cant see your both 2 peas from the same pod !


:lol: I didn't write the article, merely reflecting on the last paragraph.

[vecommo]

your sounding like a broken record now vt2exec , funny how you constantly bag vecommo for precisely the same thing you are...having one eye does that , but you cant see your both 2 peas from the same pod !

Yeah well at least I'm on the correct forum, not trolling somebody elses.:)

The fact that Ford fans feel the need to come to a Holden forum and constantly prove themselves just highlights their insecurities with the Ford brand.

[FlatfootV8]

I have both brands i have nothing to prove im just happy the brakes work on the FG falcon so far. :soap: