i need a "new" tow car

[vz6.0]

What are people using for a towcar? and how much weight is it pulling?

Im looking at selling a 6.0l crewman, and getting into a wagon, it needs to be capable of towing 2100kgs, prefer live axle but irs is fine if its happy at that weight and looking to spend sub 10k.

I give no fark for "vintage" of vehicle, id even be happy to look at vr/vs if it would do the job.

Any issues that are apparent by my choice of vehicle?

Cheers.

[DaveHAT]

First question to ask ... what will you be towing and how frequently?

If it's going to be a regular gig ... forget Commodores and get a Patrol wagon, Jackaroo, Pajero or something similar.

Something with a full chassis and live axel would be my advice.

We recently purchased a 2000 V6 Jackaroo with 100000km and all the comforts for $8800 to give you a guide.

[Carrots]

From personal experience I'd avoid a Jackaroo, but again that's just from personal experience and it was a couple of years older than the 2000 model. Was towing around the 2t mark i'd say roughly and the thing was a pure puss bucket.

Failcons are pretty good towers. A cheap BA might be the go.

[DaveHAT]

From personal experience I'd avoid a Jackaroo, but again that's just from personal experience and it was a couple of years older than the 2000 model. Was towing around the 2t mark i'd say roughly and the thing was a pure puss bucket.

Failcons are pretty good towers. A cheap BA might be the go.

Actually that's a good point. Falcon GOON still had lead sprung rear from memory.

Also true re: the Jackaroo.

The one you're referring to would presumably have been the 3.2 V6 which IMO also ... wouldn't pull the skin off cold tomato soup.

The newer 3.5 V6 which was introduced in '98 is a much better engine with more "everything" when compared to the previous 3.2 V6.

[vz6.0]

not regular towing, only to go racing, and sadly, not often enough...

the problem with the crewman is the repayments lol.

I will not find anything that tows as well, and goes as hard but alas...

I never thought about the falcoon, i guess its got a better,torquier engine, live axle, and probably cheaper.

[ADAM 26]

iv got a vy crewman cross 8. its the best thing to tow with, sh1ts all over our 80 series land cruiser which i thought was great to tow with at the time.

iv towed with a vs stato, set of pump up shocks, it was great to tow with. v8 obviously.

[hsv_wagon]

xr6t ute,they can tow 2300kg legally

[markone2]

Legal to tow 3100KG....1999 Patrol ST 4500 , Fitted full Haymen Reece / Trailer Brakes etc...a good one and fits that 10K price tag perfectly :).

pm if you want some more details.

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[White Rider]

^^^ Ive had a number of Patrols, including the 4.5 manual- its a pain in the ass to tow with as your changing gears and slowing down on hills.

Since then Ive had 4.8 5 speed auto patrol and its absolutly awesome to tow with, never ever slows down.

4.5's had 145kw 350NM and 4 speed autos
4.8's had 185kw 420NM and 5 speed autos

May not seem like much of a difference but it is, the 4.8 being a newer VVT engine has a lot of torque down low as well and that extra gear also helps in the auto. The 4.8's also got bigger brakes and this is really noticiable, particularly towing.

Of course the 4.8s being newer 2001 onwards are probably not gonna fall into the $10,000 bracket.

Hope that helps.

[Road Warrior]

From personal experience I'd avoid a Jackaroo, but again that's just from personal experience and it was a couple of years older than the 2000 model. Was towing around the 2t mark i'd say roughly and the thing was a pure puss bucket.

Failcons are pretty good towers. A cheap BA might be the go.

Forget the BA as a heavy duty tow car - too many trans failures. Unless you got one that has a trans cooler already fitted and you know the trans has been serviced regularly. Pity, because the DOHC 4.0L has heaps of grunt and makes a good tower, just the longevity of the trans lets it down.

You could go an older Commodore or Falcon wagon, live axle back end. You might be able to pick up an older Fairmont Ghia or Berlina wagon 5.0L and get it gas converted :evil:

[fatas]

ive got a 2005 rodeo 4x4 v6 manual for sale tows 3000kg no probs $15000 ono p.m me if you want a look or more questions :)

[debencha]

get a chev truck or a f truck

[ProVK]

ive got a 2005 rodeo 4x4 v6 manual for sale tows 3000kg no probs $15000 ono p.m me if you want a look or more questions :)


Whats it like for grunt when towing ? And how much fuel does it use ?

[flyingdoc]

If you want a v8, how bout a Rangie (comfy but expensive & unreliable) or a Landbruiser.

[Supa]

Quote:
Originally Posted by fatas
ive got a 2005 rodeo 4x4 v6 manual for sale tows 3000kg no probs $15000 ono p.m me if you want a look or more questions


Whats it like for grunt when towing ? And how much fuel does it use ?


I have heard bad fuel rating on these even without the towing. 0ver 16L/100km with the desiel rodeo,but luckly my mate had a fuel card from his employer(Mainroads)

[chevypower]

If you want a v8, how bout a Rangie (comfy but expensive & unreliable) or a Landbruiser.

More like Blandcruiser

[fatbob]

Some mech told me years ago ( yeah yeah someone told me this ) - that holdens not so good at towing as didn't have same chassis strength for doing so as other makes ( he was referring to fords I believe ). No idea if true or not, but thought I'd put it down there as someone on here probably knows very well on chassis strengths and towing differences between makes.

[scott w]

i had a 75 series cruiser ute great till the misses had kids sit on 110 no worries with trailer and car on back

[markone2]

Quote:
Originally Posted by fatas

Whats it like for grunt when towing ? And how much fuel does it use ?


I have heard bad fuel rating on these even without the towing. 0ver 16L/100km with the desiel rodeo,but luckly my mate had a fuel card from his employer(Mainroads)

Purchased an 05 4x4 Dual Cab V6 Rodeo for forum member just recently ( 12.5K )/ Nice truck , but Fuel consumption........Don't ask :eeeeek:.....on par with petrol Landcrusier imho , Fortunately this one is for weekend use only on newly acquired acreage .

I'm sure gent in question will appear shorthly as regards the litres per

hundred, or lack there-of :)

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[255-LS1]

i had a 75 series cruiser ute great till the misses had kids sit on 110 no worries with trailer and car on back

tick, these thinks keep going and going and going, bit exxy thou

[fatas]

guys i get 16lt per hundred with 3/4 of a ton of tools on board it is 4x4 5 speed has extractors and open type mufflers to TRY to get some fuel to stay in the tank :bawl:

all it did was make it go harder. it does only use 13lt per 100km with no tools in the back.

my rodeo had a new motor at 13000km due to oil usage and then another at 75000km same problem oil usage then holden put another BRAND NEW SPEC motor in at 105000km and this one is fine uses 0.4lt of oil for 10000km all of my km are mostly hwy very little stop start.:bawl:

holden have been very good to me with this problem thats why i have had it serviced at what i would call the best service department in holden in australia for the life of the car. !!!!!!:soap::goodjob:

now its time to buy a turbo diesel manual
coloardo LTR:smilesandbanana:

SO MAKE ME A OFFER ON MY OLD RODEO . please :)

[XUV]

Sell ya SS crewie - which is a shame - and buy a Cross 6 crewie .

The crewie has a great tow set up coz of the leafs .

[Da Burb]

What about one of these....maybe a bit expensive for what you're looking for.
You could find an older one or a pickup.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v35/hquick/Suburban/BlueLake2.jpg

[markone2]

Sell ya SS crewie - which is a shame - and buy a Cross 6 crewie .


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Jumping out of the frying pan into the fire imho..show me just one Cross six owner who can better a SS Crewman on fuel consumption....an I'll show you a bottle O that sells 4XXX cartons at a $1.00 a throw...much like 13 L per 100Ks from 4x4 Rodeos....:confused: it can happen......... on a straight stretch of highway ...but that’s it.

[ssberlina]

[QUOTE=Supa;1447684]Quote:
Originally Posted by fatas
ive got a 2005 rodeo 4x4 v6 manual for sale tows 3000kg no probs $15000 ono p.m me if you want a look or more questions

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I think you will find the 2005 rodeo is only rated for 2000kg towing.

The fuel consumption on mine would make that patrol markone2 has look like a prius. Its is not what i would call powerful either.

In regard to the patrol I have owned a couple of them over time and have driven most of the models. I didnt find the 4.5 litre very bad at all and as for towing as long as you can drive :confused: the manual is not an issue at all. When you are towing anything with a little weight you have to learn to keep up the momentum and change down before the hill not after it has slowed. Ask any truck driver.

[debencha]

remember if you are shifting a load it is back to basics it takes x amount of energy to pull y load..maintaining the same speed.but if you have some cubes it all becomes easier .that is why our 67 chev impala with a mild 454 big block used less fuel than our ls1 commodore pulling the same load at same speed with a lot less gearchanges.sure our new cars get great fuel econ in general use but put a load in there and there not much difference...sorry basic physics..also most petrol 4wd's are shitfull for fuel econ even when not towing,my work car 4 litre v6 hilux averages 16 litre 100 k mainly highway..

[VYSHSV8]

Legal to tow 3100KG....1999 Patrol ST 4500 , Fitted full Haymen Reece / Trailer Brakes etc...a good one and fits that 10K price tag perfectly :).

pm if you want some more details.

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Great buy Mark that is if only it was a diesel, but they are great for towing:) and return reasonable economy:) but wouls have to be a later model in the diesel as the 6/ 2.8ltr version not the 4.2T was renowned for a few faults with them.
1. was shitting 5th gear problem solved they reverted back to the earlier GQ 5th gear extension housing.
2. if diesel had a prob with shitting the odd camshaft

They were the 2 main probs of the diesel turbo 6 2.8ltr version not the 4.2T.
But still alot better buy than a cruiser

[markone2]

Great buy Mark that is if only it was a diesel, but they are great for towing:) and return reasonable economy:)


Regrettably it all comes down to dollars, I can sell you one of Aussies best ever tow vehicles imho, one 2006 optioned to the max Toyota Sahara Turbo diesel ....surprisingly at 68K its a nick on today’s market...check car sales / Drive.com/ Trading post….but not even in the zone for our prospective buyer price wise , even if CITY fuel consumption is under 11L per 100Ks...Simply different strokes for different folks .:)


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[VYSHSV8]

Regrettably it all comes down to dollars, I can sell you one of Aussies best ever tow vehicles imho, one 2006 optioned to the max Toyota Sahara Turbo diesel ....surprisingly at 68K its a nick on today’s market...check car sales / Drive.com/ Trading post….but not even in the zone for our prospective buyer price wise , even if CITY fuel consumption is under 11L per 100Ks...Simply different strokes for different folks .:)


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Now that is 1 Tojo that I wouldn't mind having :)

My father in law has a TD and his average furl consumption over 15000k was 10.2 towing a 1ton trailer around Aus

[XUV]

Jumping out of the frying pan into the fire imho..show me just one Cross six owner who can better a SS Crewman on fuel consumption....an I'll show you a bottle O that sells 4XXX cartons at a $1.00 a throw...much like 13 L per 100Ks from 4x4 Rodeos....:confused: it can happen......... on a straight stretch of highway ...but that’s it.

I agree , I'd try and keep the SS ,
but he can't afford his SS .

The Crewie set up is a great Tow car .
not so much a step into fire , more a step sideways .

anyway it's got to be under 10 grand .

My oldman has a 3.3 turbo disel GQ Patrol ,
the thing has never missed a beat .

and returns a constant 10 to the litre .

Tow set up is a 4500 kg Hayman Reese ,

to get that big today yagot to go Rangie .

[vz6.0]

wow, i didnt expect this thread to grow as it has!

Anyway, its not a matter of not affording the crewman, im just weighing up wether im better off with something else because the car repayments would put a big dint in the mortgage while the rates are low.

I picked 10k as a figure, to make it worthwile, by the time i pay out the remaining crewman loan, and add the cost to replace it with something else, 10k seemed like a reasonable number.

Im really tyre kicking at this point, it most definately is the wrong time to try and sell the car, and truth be told, id rather keep it because it is a fantastic tow car, drives nice for a cart spring rear, and has the right amount of cylinders up front to keep me interested.

Just looking at it purely from a dollar value perspective, if the numbers dont stack up, the status quo shall be retained.

cheers

[STATIE]

Keep the Crewie - I've thought about getting rid of mine a few times but what else has the towing capacity of it as well as actually driving like a car - not a truck as well as being able to fit 5 people in at a pinch.
4WD's aren't for me - they don't brake, stop, go or turn like a car - I reckon I'd put one on its roof at the first round about.:lol:

[XUV]

CAn you put your car loan in / with your house loan ??

[Da Burb]

4WD's aren't for me - they don't brake, stop, go or turn like a car - I reckon I'd put one on its roof at the first round about.:lol:

They do if they're supercharged and have a Hydroboost braking system. :yup:

[OUTAtheBloo]

I know its an old thread, but saves starting another one.

Im looking at selling my BT50 (been bloody great for towing) and looking at a tow car under 5k. Im needing funds to get better times in Super Street next season, and also need to pay bills etc.

Im currently looking at a 98 VS v6 ute in a manual. Anyone had experiences towing regularly with these utes ? I had one years ago, but never towed a car trailer and car around with it.

Dan

[SSZ.]

diseil patrol FTW

[ova400]

I don't know if they could legally tow 2t which most commodore's would come in around on a trailer.

I used one recently to move a car a small distance and wouldn't want to have gone much further, being low it put too much weight on the tow ball for my liking, obviously if stiffer suspension was put in at a higher than standard height it maybe better, but I would stick to a falcon if you want something not a 4WD

[OUTAtheBloo]

I don't know if they could legally tow 2t which most commodore's would come in around on a trailer.

I used one recently to move a car a small distance and wouldn't want to have gone much further, being low it put too much weight on the tow ball for my liking, obviously if stiffer suspension was put in at a higher than standard height it maybe better, but I would stick to a falcon if you want something not a 4WD

That is a good point, great to hear someone's first hand point of view. I find the BT50 great for towing, but its a solid rear, 2.25ton tow, and a ton ute. I certainly don't want to buy something then regret it. Thanks mate.

Dan

[IJ.]

Jumping out of the frying pan into the fire imho..show me just one Cross six owner who can better a SS Crewman on fuel consumption....an I'll show you a bottle O that sells 4XXX cartons at a $1.00 a throw...much like 13 L per 100Ks from 4x4 Rodeos....:confused: it can happen......... on a straight stretch of highway ...but that’s it.

Cross6 Tonner Vs 5.7 Adventra

The Addy towing gets MUCH better fuel economy as it's not kicking down to 2nd at every rise in the road. ;)

[feistl]

Another option (which you may not have considered) is to buy an actual tow truck...

Now i know i sound crazy... BUT.

Look at this (http://www.trucksales.com.au/buy/details.aspx?R=10291757&keywords=tow%20truck&__Ntk=StockAll&__Nne=15&__Dx=mode%20matchany&PriceTo=1873&__D=tow%20truck&silo=1701&seot=1&__sid=1300C881D261&__N=1550%201552%201715%201600%201601%201602%201873&__Ns=p_StockRankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cp_Make_String% 7c0%7c%7cp_Model_String%7c0%7c%7cp_Year_Int32%7c1% 7c%7cp_StockPrice_Decimal%7c1&__Qpb=1&__Ntx=mode%20matchallpartial&Cr=2&__Ntt=tow%20truck&trecs=138)as an example.

Thats $8k (you could probably bargain a bit lower) for a complete tow truck. I know its a bit old, but it would serve its purpose nicely. When you consider a car + trailer for $8k, its not exactly going to be great value for money. A diesel truck (although VERY slow) is really designed for it, and i would think in the long term more reliable.

Plus you can do a little cash in hand for mates (plus people on the forum) doing occasional tows.

A mate of mine is looking at a truck this weekend for $4k, its a bit rough around the corners but their simple to work on and trucks are usually reliable.

Anyway, just thinking outside the box.

Cheers

[HYMEY]

chevy pick up with a duramax turbo diesel:)

[VTSSDUDE]

You know now insurance companies won't insure you towing vehicles unless you are using a 4WD to tow the car?
A lot of car trailer hire places won't even let you hire a trailer if you pull up in a Falcon or Commodore, sedan, ute, stationwagon.
Basically it has always been the rule, the towing car must be heavier then what you are towing.
I know it sucks, but apparently there has been accidents where the idiots have spoilt it so the R.T.A. have clamped down on it in recent times.

[heavyduty1340]

Dan

Ive got a VS V6 auto ute, that I regularly tow vehicles with, and heavy work equioment

It does it a piece of p1ss, and is comfortable

You should pick up a good one for less than 5 grand - I paid $4000 for mine 2 yrs ago

[added]

6BT + F1/2/350 would do the trick.

[markone2]

Cross6 Tonner Vs 5.7 Adventra

The Addy towing gets MUCH better fuel economy as it's not kicking down to 2nd at every rise in the road. ;)

Ever heard of a MAFLESS tune :1peek:....sorts that A4 asap...........

Back to cheap Holden Utes with some towing capacity?.....pm
Me...
.02 VU11 SS Six Speed Manual with 3.9 diff gears plus mafless tune…..Pulls like a freight train from 2000rpm /makes 6th gear Totally usable from 80KPH and has run a genuine 12.83 standing ¼ at Willowbank on street tyres as pictured…….6 speed manual and a very tidy vehicle..mature age owner ...asking 9K with QLD reg etc

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[duke5700]

I towed my VX SS down to Melbourne with the D-Max TD and I am amazed at how far diesels have come. Put it on cruise @ 105kph and drove all the way down from Canberra on a shade over 1 tank. Probably could of made it on one tank if I was a little more gentle.

Answering the posters question, for those kinds of dollars a V6 VS ute or some kind of 4wd will probably be the go.

[markone2]

I towed my VX SS down to Melbourne with the D-Max TD and I am amazed at how far diesels have come. Put it on cruise @ 105kph and drove all the way down from Canberra on a shade over 1 tank. Probably could of made it on one tank if I was a little more gentle.

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Same car ..but in Colorado form......belonged to SS BERLINA and I do concurr with fuel consumption..800ks per tank easy :goodjob:..( 76L tank capacity )....both city and suburb driving combined .

vehicle advertised here but was sold yesterday ...http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=10463735&YearFromShort=1652&__Qpb=true&Cr=2&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32|1||pCar_PriceSort_Decimal |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&YearToShort=1711&__N=1216 1246 1247 1252 1282 4294808226 4294965857 1466 900 1621 937 1652 1711&silo=1011&seot=1&__Nne=15&trecs=3&__sid=12FD61B193A5


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[OUTAtheBloo]

Dan

Ive got a VS V6 auto ute, that I regularly tow vehicles with, and heavy work equioment

It does it a piece of p1ss, and is comfortable

You should pick up a good one for less than 5 grand - I paid $4000 for mine 2 yrs ago

The thing i need too is a reasonably economical everyday car too, as what ever i buy will be my everyday driver. So im unsure if i should go a diesel cruiser/patrol, better for towing, or suck it up in the V6 vs, if its a bit gutless for towing 10 times a year.

Dan

[DaveHAT]

Get another LS1 as a daily Dan and put it on sequential injected LPG.

Cheap daily and tows like a train.

I tow my hillclimb laser with my VY LS1 wagon & it's on LPG. No worries.

Otherwise ... any of the modern DID utes will fill the bill perfectly if you can stretch. Much as M12 and Duke have said ... my dad's Holden Colorado tows a 20ft caravan all day everyday with ridiculous fuel economy figures.

[Kingston_99]

I too would like to get setup for towing my ute to comps etc.

i have been studying into this for along time...
options i have thought about.
Landcruiser ute/wagon 4.2 Diesel turbo
patrol ute/wagon 4.2 diesel turbo
falcon ute
tow truck like someone has pointed out above.

atm it sits between an landcruiser ute or tow truck for me.
good luck mate

[jca]

Hi, its a hard call as i have a vz 6litre crewman as well it tows our race car easy u wouldn't know its on the back i can't think of a car for 10g that would do a better job, i ve towed the same race car with our ve wagon and it hated it the crewman just sit on 120km didn't even notice the hills etc and dosn't chew tyres ethier its likes the fuel a bit it gets 16-18litres while towing a vt ls1, a few customers tow there race cars with the new dura max diesels and reckon there great but r around the 35-45g mark to buy new.

[willyroo]

What are people using for a towcar? and how much weight is it pulling?

Im looking at selling a 6.0l crewman, and getting into a wagon, it needs to be capable of towing 2100kgs, prefer live axle but irs is fine if its happy at that weight and looking to spend sub 10k.

I give no fark for "vintage" of vehicle, id even be happy to look at vr/vs if it would do the job.

Any issues that are apparent by my choice of vehicle?

Cheers.

Our VXII tows 2,000kgs of Skiboat very well. To do so:

Installed 4 x standard height King springs + nolathane bushes
4 x Monroe GT Gas
Good 2.5" free flow twin system


You should get a good VT or VX wagon for around $7-8k, $1,500 to upgrade suspension. If possible get VXII which has the extra link in the rear suspension.

[Swordie]

Couple of suggestions:
- AU III Falcon
- 6cyl WH Statesman
- VXII Commodore


Patrol is a good suggestion. I hear they go well on LPG.

[michaels1v8]

4.2lt Patrols. Dad has gotten one every 3 years (up until 07 as they stopped the 4.2 production around then) and loves them. Tough as nails but if fuel economy is a concern then give them a miss. Towing they are decent and will do 17-20lts to 100k no worries all day every day. Not towing you will be lucky to get 14lt to the 100 whether on the highway or in the city. They have great torque for towing but Power is crap in them in them. A tune and exhaust wakes them up but the point in changing your tow car is to save money not spend it. . I'd go a vs ute if your only towing a dozen times a year and its not long distances.

[willyroo]

I'd go a vs ute if your only towing a dozen times a year and its not long distances.

What he said.

I miss my VR II 5 litre ute. Sniff...

[vz6.0]

*sniff* I remember my crewman fondly...:bawl:

I bought a bf falcon wagon, bland uninspiring crapbox but fuel economy is ok and at least the kids arent kicking leather seats anymore.

havent towed with it yet.


Another option (which you may not have considered) is to buy an actual tow truck...

Cheers

this will be the way ill go next time...

[VYSHSV8]

You know now insurance companies won't insure you towing vehicles unless you are using a 4WD to tow the car?
A lot of car trailer hire places won't even let you hire a trailer if you pull up in a Falcon or Commodore, sedan, ute, stationwagon.
Basically it has always been the rule, the towing car must be heavier then what you are towing.
I know it sucks, but apparently there has been accidents where the idiots have spoilt it so the R.T.A. have clamped down on it in recent times.

Not in WA, maybe over east they won't insure you but over here no prob as long as you are not exceeding the max allowed towing limit of the vehicle and that can be from 600kg to 3500kg for landcruizer or 3200 for patrols from memory and also that the appropriate brakes are fitted :)

[heavyduty1340]

The thing i need too is a reasonably economical everyday car too, as what ever i buy will be my everyday driver. So im unsure if i should go a diesel cruiser/patrol, better for towing, or suck it up in the V6 vs, if its a bit gutless for towing 10 times a year.

Dan

Dan

honestly you wont notice fark all in the economy range for an everyday hack - drive it easy, and they're good as - when you need the torque, it is on tap for you.
The repair and maintenance will be heaps cheaper in the long run as well.
We did a motor in the ute ages ago through driver neglect, and picked up a low km one for $500.00 from wrecker

I have 4 cyl vans that are far worse on fuel than the old dunga, and have a 1994 hilux that is the worst car I have ever seen for fuel usage.

As the old saying goes - "You cant beat Inches"(cubic)

[fatas]

+ 1 for colorado

my manual with 600kg tools in the back tows trailer = 1100kg 4 x 2 post hoists = 2900kg with ease total weight would have to be well over 6000kg

and get 550km out of 70lt of deisel :bow: yes the trailer has 4 wheel electric brakes and yes it over legel weight but it will cruise on 90kmh in 5th and see a hill straight back to 4th big hills 3rd but never drops below 40kmh even up mt ousley or the big hill on the start of the f3 just a top ute !!!:bow::)

[Thunderbird-1]

http://latestautoreviews.com/ford/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/2009-Ford-F-Series-650.jpg

Too much ?? :jester:

[kaneo11]

Whats it like for grunt when towing ? And how much fuel does it use ?

we had a v6 rodeo for work and if its the pre-alloytec motor they use more fuel that my senator! they are known for being super thirsty... thats the reason for us trading it in on a crewman

[OUTAtheBloo]

http://perth.gumtree.com.au/c-Cars-Vehicles-Motorbikes-Parts-van-ute-1998-vs-5speed-commodore-ute-W0QQAdIdZ283219595

Im going to check this ute out this afternoon. VS V6 manual 138k, seems like it has potential.

Dan

[VYSHSV8]

Cool Dan go for it :)

[OUTAtheBloo]

Bucket of Puss

Clutch was knackered, and looks like someone attacked the paintwork with a scorer. No water in the radiator, bloke didn't even bother washing it. Maybe im hoping for too much :lol:

I'll keep looking.

[VYSHSV8]

Definately not hoping for too much mate :)