WPS Bathurst 12 Hour 2009 Production Car Race

[Black_Utester]

Who's going to the 12 hour production race this weekend?

If you are intending and after a couple of tickets... I have 2 x 3 day passes going for 1/2 price of the gate.

PM me if you are interested in the tix and they are available to be collected either tonight or tomorrow in Sydney.

[VW Golf R32]

http://www.bathurst12hour.com.au/home.asp

[2 cylinders shy]

Does anyone know if this will be televised in Melbourne?
If so what channel, time, etc
Thanks

[Roly]

Does anyone know if this will be televised in Melbourne?
If so what channel, time, etc
Thanks

not live.

maybe a wrap up 1 hour show in a few weeks

[2 cylinders shy]

not live.

maybe a wrap up 1 hour show in a few weeks

Thanks Roly,
Thats bullshit, there is about a dozen threads on here with people saying we should go back to Group A and how people would love to see Group A race at Bathurst. Even though a EVO will probably take 1st, the Commodores like the mertens/cramp will be good to see.
Surely there would be an audience for this, even if they put it on one of the HD Channels. :soap:

Any other way of getting some footage?

[Oztrack Tuning]

The V8 Ute i have tuned for this years Bathurst 12hr did 258kph down the straight this morning. Not bad for a stock engine!

[Black_Utester]

Form the bathurst12hour website.

Television

Q. Is the Event being televised?

A. A 3 hour free to air special on Channel 7 to be broadcast on 14 March 2009 (timings tbc) and replayed on FOX SPORTS (timings tba).


My 2 x 3 day passes is going for free if anyone in Sydney wants them. You need to collect them from me. PM me if you are interested and I'll give you the details to where you can collect them.

[Veeate]

Looking at practice 1 times it would seem even early on that unless you are driving an EVO or a 335 then you are not on the pace.

It would be great to think a V8 Holden would be in with a chance but the closest V8 is like 6 seconds off the pace. Early days i guess......

[Oztrack Tuning]

The track was greasy this morning and things will get closer. Im expecting at least 2:33 from the ute im involved with.

[Veeate]

The track was greasy this morning and things will get closer.

Possibly. I am sure everyone will get faster.

Don't get me wrong i would love to see a V8 up there at the front. I would love to have the car and talent to be that V8 car/driver ! But other cars just seem a lot faster i.e the EVO/335 cars.

I have a video of a mate doing 'Drive Bathurst' from 2007 and his EVO hit 262kmh on Conrod and did a 2min31 lap time. These EVO's are amazing cars.

[JT]

http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?22/02/2009.MOUN

[HazzaHSV]

The greasy track would favour the AWD/lighter cars more I would think. So once it grips up it should be alot less than 6 seconds to the first V8.


Possibly. I am sure everyone will get faster.

[2 cylinders shy]

Possibly. I am sure everyone will get faster.

Don't get me wrong i would love to see a V8 up there at the front. I would love to have the car and talent to be that V8 car/driver ! But other cars just seem a lot faster i.e the EVO/335 cars.

I have a video of a mate doing 'Drive Bathurst' from 2007 and his EVO hit 262kmh on Conrod and did a 2min31 lap time. These EVO's are amazing cars.

Like i said an evo will probably win. As for the BMW Vs Holden remember the GTS and 335 are both PCCA cars and traded wins at each round. With the GTS getting the upper hand at the faster tracks like PI and Sandown.

[Oztrack Tuning]

There might be a few surprizes this year. Its not as simple as being the quickest even if everything goes wrong. A that car can get a few less stops in can win as long as its stays out of trouble. This is where the V8s might be able to beat the evos. Its what we have been developing.

I'll fix my previous post. cant edit it anymore.

Its not as simple as being the quickest even if nothing goes wrong. A car that needs significantly less stops can win as long as its stays out of trouble. This is what we have been developing and think we have the EVOs beat :)

[Tyre biter]

Spot on Oztrack. Let's not forget a race several years back where it poured rain throughout - John Faulkner and his Commodore (GTS I think it was) won that race, beating EVO's and WRX's when on paper a rear drive V8 should not have been near the front on such a wet and miserable day.

Cheers, TB

[Oztrack Tuning]

The car im involved withs driver is happy in the rain, it separates the drivers much more in their skill levels.
Today was used to settle the co-drivers in , tommorrow it should pull some times.

[VW Golf R32]

The Falcons are way slower then the Commodores.

[Oztrack Tuning]

The cars have three drivers and in many team today was the day of the backup drivers. Tomorrow is going to be when the cars show their true colours. Today many of the teams would have been monitoring fuel usage and working out how many stops they need to make.
I noticed also that the Fords didnt do anything special.

[TIR33D]

Steve do you know if they have been allowed to upgrade their brakes or discs at least. I remember reading in a mag how they were using a wagon last year but it exploded a disc due to heat. They were running EBC's but not allowed to run different discs.
Is your ute allowed better.
I know my standard brakes handled a big stop at 220 but that was only one stop. Still felt ok on the second.
For any one of interest check the post "drag racing is for wimps"
I would like to think I would smash that top speed of the Evo!!! Big call...... But 220 front standing start 300m into conrod, I would have a chance I reckon

[Justice R8]

The cars have three drivers and in many team today was the day of the backup drivers. Tomorrow is going to be when the cars show their true colours. Today many of the teams would have been monitoring fuel usage and working out how many stops they need to make.
I noticed also that the Fords didnt do anything special.


Steve

Can you grab me a few picsof the rockstar 350z please

[TIR33D]

Steve

Can you grab me a few picsof the rockstar 350z please

Pretty sure he is remote tuning - they have a pretty flash data log system.
I should be heading over - I will see what I can do.

[choppo]

The Falcons are way slower then the Commodores.
Have a look at Improved Production (the real cars there).. i think you will find a pretty quick Ford :)

[toyocharged]

Steve do you know if they have been allowed to upgrade their brakes or discs at least. I remember reading in a mag how they were using a wagon last year but it exploded a disc due to heat. They were running EBC's but not allowed to run different discs.
Is your ute allowed better.
I know my standard brakes handled a big stop at 220 but that was only one stop. Still felt ok on the second.
For any one of interest check the post "drag racing is for wimps"
I would like to think I would smash that top speed of the Evo!!! Big call...... But 220 front standing start 300m into conrod, I would have a chance I reckon

Bathurst isnt really that hard on brakes compared to some circuits, we ran 2 IP cars at the FOSC event last easter and only bled the brakes once after 1 practoce sessiom, qualifying and 2 races. You only have 2 big stops at bathurst at the start of the start finish straight and at the end of the start finish. At a track like Mallala we bleed the brakes after each race.


Have a look at Improved Production (the real cars there).. i think you will find a pretty quick Ford :)

Hislops Falcon is runing well so far, a little Mazda from SA is waxing all the LSX powered commodores as well chop... THE LSX LM Commodes only need to find 12 secs to be up the pointy end:):rofl:

IP Qualifying (http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?22/02/2009.MOUN.Q5)

[VW Golf R32]

1 1 R.Salmon/T.Longhurst/D.White TMR Australia Mitsubishi Lancer RS 1998 C 17 5 2:28.9174*
2 43 D.Wall/D.Wall/T.Symonds Easts Holiday Parks Mitsubishi Lacer GSR 1999 C 17 12 2:30.1464 0:01.2290
3 29 T.Quinn/K.Quinn/G.Denyer VIP Pet Foods Mitsubishi Lancer RS 2000 C 10 8 2:30.7425 0:01.8251
4 20 G.Holt/P.Morris/R.Shaw Eastern Creek Karts BMW 335i 5000 A 18 9 2:30.7537 0:01.8363
5 35 J.Bargwana/S.Knight/B.Jones PRO-DUCT Motorsport Mitsubishi Lancer RS 2000 C 8 1 2:31.4148 0:02.4974
6 11 B.Morcom/L.Searle/P.Stubber Rondo Building Services BMW 335i 2979 A 18 16 2:31.7147 0:02.7973
7 55 G.Crimp/T.Ricciardello/S.Kostera West Surfing Products Mitsubishi Lancer RS 1998 C 18 17 2:31.7209 0:02.8035
8 23 S.Briffa/M.Zukanovic/T.Sipp GSK Group Holden VE R8 Clubspo 6200 A 15 13 2:32.1880 0:03.2706
9 34 G.Seton/N.Crompton PRO-DUCT Motorsport Mitsubishi Lancer RS 2000 C 12 1 2:32.2922 0:03.3748
10 85 R.Ingall/N.Pretty/A.Jones Holden Motorsport Holden Commodore SS 6162 A 15 6 2:33.2008 0:04.2834
11 9 C.Hollings/C.Corkery/N.Caratti Cerasport Mitsubishi Lancer RS 1997 C 16 7 2:33.6267 0:04.7093
12 12 T.Alford/P.Leemhuis/M.Rose Donut King Holden HSV VY GTS Co 5665 A 11 2 2:33.6334 0:04.7160
13 3 S.Jones/K.Wade/A.Caratti Messages on Hold / Tyrepower Mitsubishi Lancer RS 1997 C 17 16 2:33.6690 0:04.7516
14 96 J.Koundouris/T.Koundouris/S.Owen Superbarn Supermarkets Pty Ltd Mitsubishi Lancer RS 2000 C 17 2 2:34.1347 0:05.2173
15 33 M.King/B.Pearson/B.Stewart PRO-DUCT Motorsport Mitsubishi Lancer RS 2000 C 8 1 2:35.0943 0:06.1769
16 71 D.Mertens/L.Mertens/S.Cramp Endless Holden HSV VY Series 5667 A 17 13 2:35.6609 0:06.7435
17 62 T.Leahey/P.Hill/E.Bana Love the Beast Mitsubishi Lancer RS 1998 C 11 4 2:36.2206 0:07.3032
18 47 G.Johnson/J.Watts/G.Willis Hi Tech Motorsport Holden SS VE UTE 6000 J 15 13 2:36.8263 0:07.9089
19 5 B.Nesbitt/P.Freestone/R.Jones Donut King Holden HSV VY Series 5665 A 13 9 2:36.9273 0:08.0099
20 15 J.Hunt/J.Webb/P.Stokell Rockstar Energy Drink Nissan 350Z Track 3500 B 15 14 2:36.9843 0:08.0669
21 10 M.O'Connor/R.Buttrose/S.Hogg Lotus Cars Australia Lotus Exige B 11 5 2:38.0725 0:09.1551
22 91 A.Mechtler/J.Walsh/M.Brame Anton Mechtler Mitsubishi Lancer RS 1999 C 9 6 2:38.2599 0:09.3425
23 44 J.Hunter/J.Bowe/G.Bullas Johnson Window Film Subaru Impreza WRX S 2495 C 16 6 2:38.3686 0:09.4512
24 17 S.Johnson/N.Tinkler/N.Callaghan Supercar Club Australia Ford Falcon FG GT-P 5408 A 14 14 2:40.8058 0:11.8884
25 69 T.Zani/J.O'Dowd/J.Pollicina Killarnee Formwork / Hammond E Holden HSV VY GTS Co 5700 A 15 8 2:41.3346 0:12.4172
26 22 C.Delfsma/D.Wood/G.Tierney WBR - Wilson Brothers Racing Subaru Impreza WRX S 1994 C 15 15 2:41.3956 0:12.4782
27 36 J.Camilleri/S.Nicholas Grand Prix Mazda Mazda 3 MPS 3A 3884 D 11 11 2:41.6011 0:12.6837
28 2 I.Tulloch/J.Sax/C.McLaren Tulloch Transport Holden HSV VZ GTO Co 5700 A 14 8 2:41.9576 0:13.0402
29 27 A.Shepard/P.O'Donnell/C.D'Agostin GWS Personnel BMW 130i 2966 D 16 9 2:42.1984 0:13.2810
30 26 P.Kelly/D.Grant/M.Twigg WBR - Wilson Brothers Racing Subaru Impreza WRX S 1994 C 9 3 2:42.3454 0:13.4280
31 21 T.Conroy/L.Burgess/L.Tander Hankook Tyres/ DBA Honda Integra type S 1998 F 16 15 2:42.5834 0:13.6660
32 24 G.Walden/B.Walden/M.Auld Walden Motorsport Holden Commodore SS 5665 E 13 1 2:43.4312 0:14.5138
33 8 A.Letcher/C.Harvey/B.Nial Tinkler Motorsport Pty Ltd Ford XR6 TURBO 6773 E 14 6 2:44.4707 0:15.5533
34 13 C.Osborne/N.Bates/J.Roecken Osborne Motorsport Toyota Celica ZR 1796 F 11 10 2:44.9920 0:16.0746
35 25 C.Baird/L.Castle/R.Forbes WBR - Wilson Brothers Racing Subaru Impreza WRX S 1994 C 4 1 2:46.0448 0:17.1274
36 32 G.Keogh/B.Brewer/G.Emery GSK Group Holden VE R8 Clubspo 6200 A 2 1 2:46.4768 0:17.5594
37 14 P.Conroy/C.Schembri/R.Gartner Disc Brakes Australia Honda Integra type S 1998 F 16 7 2:46.7333 0:17.8159
38 28 L.Gray/J.Veth/R.Thomson GWS Personnel BMW 130i 2966 D 16 12 2:46.9988 0:18.0814
39 99 J.Tremeer/C.Tremeer/T.Stone Patinack Farms Ford XR6 TURBO 6773 E 15 8 2:48.1879 0:19.2705
40 18 J.Moffat/G.Kenny/C.Baldock Team Qld Racing Ford XR8 FG 5400 E 4 1 2:48.5436 0:19.6262
41 31 S.Evans/T.Keene/S.Jones Osborne Motorsport Toyota Celica ZR 1796 F 13 7 2:49.9390 0:21.0216
42 67 T.Douglas/B.Holdsworth/G.Holdsworth/L.Holdsworth Nemo Racing Pty Ltd Holden Astra CDTi 1909 I 15 6 2:51.5019 0:22.5845
43 50 G.McLeod/P.McLeod/R.McLeod Racer Industries Holden Astra Sri 2000 F 6 1 2:56.5948 0:27.6774
44 77 D.Filipetto/N.Gotch/W.Vinckx Thomson Alfa Alfa Romeo 147 JTD 1900 I 15 15 2:57.0069 0:28.0895
45 88 M.Windsor/S.Shiels/P.Newman Jim Hunter Suspension Subaru Impreza 2.5 2495 G 8 6 2:59.0282 0:30.1108
46 94 R.Howe/D.O'Keefe/R.Lago/C.Williams APORSCHAPART Ford BF 6772 E 10 1 2:59.3281 0:30.4107
47 76 K.Booker/R.Rinnaldo/D.Stone Thomson Alfa Alfa Romeo 159 JTD 2389 H 13 2 3:00.8005 0:31.8831
48 66 H.Spurle/C.Orr/M.Taylor Jim Hunter Motorsport Subaru Impreza 2.0R 1996 G 14 14 3:08.9736 0:40.0562

[HazzaHSV]

Yep that was awesome. Was there watching from Pit straight most of the race. Was very impressive. Pretty sure it was 2001, as it rained ALL day. Rain only stopped 10 laps from the end of the V8 Supercar race where Tander/Bargwarna held off the two DJR AU's to win the great race.


Spot on Oztrack. Let's not forget a race several years back where it poured rain throughout - John Faulkner and his Commodore (GTS I think it was) won that race, beating EVO's and WRX's when on paper a rear drive V8 should not have been near the front on such a wet and miserable day.

Cheers, TB

[Martin_D]

Its not very fair lining up the Evos against VE Commodores.... :(
What they shoud allow is GTR in there, even in stock trim, without slicks, tune, exhaust, its still 3 seconds a lap faster than the pole sitter :lol:

[Oztrack Tuning]

The EVOs are supposed to be submitting datalogs to show boost this year after the race. BUT i was told in qual they could do what they wanted.

The EVOs sound like full on race cars when they drive through the pits. The Holdens all are far calmer.