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Hamico
20-02-2009, 09:18 PM
http://au.fastanddangerous.blogs.topgear.com/2009/02/20/new-rules-for-2009-supercar-season-–-confusion-guaranteed/

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Posted by Tim Robson
12:48 pm on Friday February 20, 2009

Really, who thinks up this stuff ?

The V8 Supercar mob has just announced a raft of rule changes for the 2009 season, and some of them just don’t make any sense at all.

Chief among them is the decision to acknowledge the winner of every race with a podium presentation. With every race weekend consisting of two races (one on Saturday and one on Sunday) that means that there could be 26 different winners in 2009.

That’s all well and good, you think; a win is a win regardless, right? Of course it is; but not to the mainstream media folks. All they care about is who won on Sunday night - Saturday’s winner is yesterday’s news. V8s have stuff-all presence in the mainstream now, and this decision will do nothing to improve that.

V8 Supercars Australia is even going to try to get everyone to call a race weekend an ‘event’, not a ’round’. Give me a break. It’s been called a ’round’ of the touring car championship long before V8SCA arrived on the scene.

Other changes include the return of the fuel stop (more expense for the teams) and the removal of the compulsory pit stop window (watch everyone pile in to pitlane on lap 3 to mitigate the risk of a badly-timed safety car ruining their day).

As well, racing will be artificially mixed up with the inclusion of a soft-compound ‘option’ tyre that could be, according to V8SC, up to “several seconds a lap” faster. Several seconds? Add to that the fuel stop equation (one stop in 100km races, two in 200km-plus races), and not even the computer will know who’s in the lead.

That old saying about not fixing broken stuff really applies here. The last two championships have gone right down to the wire, with a tonne of winners across both seasons.

I reckon it’s dead-set simple; a softer tyre, less aero aid and harder brake pads would achieve more to spice up the racing than just about anything else. Those who can manage their machinery the best will come out on top.

The rules are listed below; I’d love to hear your thoughts.

1. Two individual races, one on Saturday and one on Sunday, across 12 Championship events.
2. Individual victory to every race winner across 26 races in the season.
3. A podium to duly recognise 26 race winners across the Championship.
4. Qualifying determines both Saturday and Sunday grids.
5. The Top Ten Shootout returns for the final leg of qualifying.
6. The Supercheap Auto Bathurst 1000 and the L&H 500 at Phillip Island remain as the only single race events.
7. The L&H 500 will retain two Saturday qualifying races which count for Championship points but not a race result.
8. Removing all reference to the term ’round’ and referring to all race weekends as events.
9. No compulsory pit stop window meaning that teams can stop whenever they choose.
10. There will be at least one fuel stop in every race.
11. A ’soft’ compound tyre at select weekends that teams must use at least once during racing.
12. Each race, outside of the two endurance races, are worth 150 points to the winner on a sliding scale.
13. Teams being free to utilise any tyre from their allocation as they see fit across an event.

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Mungrel
20-02-2009, 09:57 PM
Make em run slicks in the rain - that'd be fun to watch :D :rofl:

Being serious though, i'm not keen on all the changes but i'll wait and watch how it plays out before judging.

If they're only having two races - will they be longer??

VEbudSS
20-02-2009, 10:11 PM
yeah the soft compound will be several seconds faster but for how many laps? Probably be 3 laps then their spent and end up being several seconds slower :rofl:

with all these changes with fuel, tyres and the affect of SC will play will make Neil Crompton talk even more crap than he already does.

v8 ute
21-02-2009, 06:48 AM
:confused:

4. Qualifying determines both Saturday and Sunday grids.


Stupidist rule ever. :weirdo:

Souljah
21-02-2009, 09:31 AM
:confused:

4. Qualifying determines both Saturday and Sunday grids.


Stupidist rule ever. :weirdo:
Surely that means they are going to have a round of qualifying on both Sat and Sun? Otherwise..... :confused:

james2
21-02-2009, 09:41 AM
Surely that means they are going to have a round of qualifying on both Sat and Sun? Otherwise..... :confused:
No that is not so.#qual in 3 place ,get taken out on lap 6 finish 23 start race 2 in 3 ?????????????????????????????? ( that is if the new rule is used as written):vpo:

Mungrel
21-02-2009, 11:13 AM
Agreed, Rule four certainly does make any progress made in race one somewhat of a waste IMO..

Martin_D
22-02-2009, 08:54 AM
They have to do something, as that racing is boring as batshit....
Maybe have a random lottery for each race for one team to get the quick tyres :)

Party Pete
22-02-2009, 01:45 PM
Why don't we have a 30 lap parade behind the pace car and then draw a lottery to choose the winner. It's not much better than that in some races anyway. :)

Ryzz
22-02-2009, 03:57 PM
They have to do something, as that racing is boring as batshit....
Maybe have a random lottery for each race for one team to get the quick tyres :)


Why don't we have a 30 lap parade behind the pace car and then draw a lottery to choose the winner. It's not much better than that in some races anyway. :)

Why not just make it like the Wrestling, they spend a week choreographing the race, and then on the day just follow the laid out schedule. If your really chummy with Avesco you can download the cue sheet prior to the race!!! :rofl:

Mungrel
22-02-2009, 04:28 PM
I still think reverse grid racing is the way to go.

Expensive, sure. But f**k its fun to watch!

ova400
22-02-2009, 09:39 PM
Reverse grid racing is false - its not racing its entertainment and that only. I agree with rule 4 being stupid as it is always nice to see the goods guys who get knocked out in the first race come through the field in the next race which won't happen now but I can see how drivers maybe less worried about taking a more risky move, so I will wait to see if this is a result.

As for the fuel stop - E85 is going to put alot of the teams into a need to pit for fuel in the race not just cause we want to see a car get filled with petrol, where is the cost involved in that though - they already have all the gear needed.

I think it would be better served having multiple control tyre brands, you chose one and its yours for the season.

SS Enforcer
22-02-2009, 11:04 PM
I don't know why they just don't run a single long distance enduro for each round. Make them all 5 hour races and who completes the most laps wins.
Having compulsory stops for whatever reason just gives the result a contrived note to it.

cheers

`redoctober
22-02-2009, 11:44 PM
Call me a young-old school,

(Please keep in mind im not talking about safety measures here, whatever can be done to keep drivers safe need to be in place)

However, wipe the slate clean. Do away with the computers, keep the safety gear, make it real racing with a massive engine up-front and the best 'pilot' to win the race.

Yes i know that theres more factors, but the series really has become boring as batshit as referred to by Tuna..

ADAM 26
23-02-2009, 06:28 AM
maybe they need to add in ( extra points for drifting!)

that would spice it up.

the start should be a powerskid comp!

they should supply a set of burnout tyres, the top 3 have a burnout comp to gain extra points!

allow FI and or :nos:

crv8au
26-02-2009, 01:37 PM
V8 supercars will end up as boring as F1 unless they make changes. at times it is just a procession in single file.

Blown V2
27-02-2009, 08:35 PM
In karts we start the first two races where we qualify and I like it, if you have a DNF in the 1st race you still have a shot at the second. Although we have a pre-final then final after that so it's a bit different.

Could be good for V8's tho, time will tell.

~Adam