Production cuts at Holden. [Archive] - Australian LS1 and Holden Forums

Pickles

03-03-2009, 08:04 AM

Bloody terrible....I suppose things will have to bottom out eventually.
Not much mention of HSV's situation, although I have heard of one instance where someone was asked to work a 4 day week...and refused. I've made the prediction, without ANY inside info, just my own thoughts, that HSV sales will be down at least 30% this year. Nothing at all wrong with the product..just that to many people, an HSV is a "non essential" item, so if dollars are short, or the future is uncertain, they may not be bought.
Cheers, Pickles.

Excellent

03-03-2009, 08:46 AM

F6 Hoon

03-03-2009, 09:08 AM

I guess GM's attitude "What's good for GM is good for America" (and the rest of the world) doesn't hold true anymore :-

http://www.news.com.au/business/story/0,27753,25113454-462,00.html

Opel's financial woes :-

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=anBRYr_khZao&refer=home

Plenty of bargains here, brand new '07 plated stock :-

http://www.carsales.com.au/new-cars-in-stock/HOLDEN/COMMODORE/results.aspx?Make=HOLDEN&Ntt=2007&state_id=0&Region=All%20Regions&RegionID=&State=All%20States&N=4294965857+0+4294965745++1216&keywords=2007&Ntk=CarAll&Dx=mode+matchany&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&distance=25&Model=COMMODORE&D=2007

SS Enforcer

03-03-2009, 09:43 AM

It sort of makes sense that production will slow right down because everyone has a car right now. There are so many car makers vying for the $$ and there just isn't the demand anymore.

It's got me stuffed why car companies don't just set more realistic sales goals for their vehicles and maintain a healthy profit margin.

Their may have to be some restraints put on manufacturing and import numbers to balance out the market in the future.

cheers

Excellent

03-03-2009, 09:53 AM

It's got me stuffed why car companies don't just set more realistic sales goals for their vehicles and maintain a healthy profit margin.

How do you plan for a 40% drop in demand? The car industry isn't geared to work that way.

Come to think of it, I don't think most industries are, either. That's why we are seeing massive layoffs.

Ghia351

03-03-2009, 10:56 AM

How do you plan for a 40% drop in demand? The car industry isn't geared to work that way.

Come to think of it, I don't think most industries are, either. That's why we are seeing massive layoffs.So true, just prior to the Olympics I experienced price increases on raw materials of upto 300% combined with shortages of supply, couldn't pass on my higher costs at the same rate and took a hit on profits, even bought greater volumes to get discounts on volume meaning I ate up even more capital and at that time $Aust was high...I've slowly put up some prices where possible, not enough,...

now global demand has dropped, raw material is in excess but $Aust has dropped negating any raw material price drops and funding has become more difficult due to credit crisis, while local demand in general has dropped...:confused:, I'm sick of looking at cost spreadsheets and might go and start playing with "MS Flightsim instead"

blackjacknz

03-03-2009, 12:14 PM

Plenty of bargains here, brand new '07 plated stock :-

http://www.carsales.com.au/new-cars-in-stock/HOLDEN/COMMODORE/results.aspx?Make=HOLDEN&Ntt=2007&state_id=0&Region=All%20Regions&RegionID=&State=All%20States&N=4294965857+0+4294965745++1216&keywords=2007&Ntk=CarAll&Dx=mode+matchany&Ntx=mode+matchallpartial&distance=25&Model=COMMODORE&D=2007

???...this link shows 07 commodores at full retail price dosnt it??

SS Sedan $46,990
SSV Sedan $52,490
Omega $34,990

theVman

03-03-2009, 12:52 PM

You would be expecting a very discounted price for 07 plated stock!!

Fnomna

03-03-2009, 01:31 PM

How do you plan for a 40% drop in demand? The car industry isn't geared to work that way.

Come to think of it, I don't think most industries are, either. That's why we are seeing massive layoffs.

The global car industry is very much at the mercy of general economic conditions. During these times there just isn't the demand. Australia is at the mercy of the world economy too.

When it comes to Holden (& Ford) a big majority of their new car sales are fleet sales. And when their buyers are themselves in bad shape, they're not likely to want to spend up on new cars so often.
As for private sales, similar story. Who will buy a brand new car when jobs look shaky?

The problem for car makers is they can put huge $ into developing the best fuel efficient new technology and come up with great new models, but what's the return if no-one can buy them?

Something's gotta change with the world economy first, then Australia, then industry/business and jobs outlook, then new car demand....looks like a long wait.
Something's also gotta make sure that what triggered this whole global mess NEVER happens again!!

Times looked good when it was good, but it can look so bad right now..

Excellent

03-03-2009, 01:43 PM

Times looked good when it was good, but it can look so bad right now..

The great times were 2 years ago. The good times were just 1 year ago. Today is as bad as bad gets for the automotive industry in this country.

F6 Hoon

03-03-2009, 02:28 PM

And I thought "Holdens Go Better". I think the comedy is over. Australian's are though, Holden perhaps isn't as tough.

What's this I read about Holden have 18000 unsold Commodores? The media would have you believe that Ford Oz is in the shyte, yet the evidence appears to be to the contrary. Pretty dire straights, maybe they'll have to give the unsold '07 and '08 Commodores away with Happy Meals just to move stock.

Wonky

03-03-2009, 02:42 PM

What's this I read about Holden have 18000 unsold Commodores?

Where did you read that??? :shock: Wherever it was I doubt it's true because when I and a few others I know were looking for new cars in December last year there ended up a very limited choice because there were none around in popular configurations. Given limited production and the odd car or three selling this year I'd be surprised if they'd built back up to those sort of numbers.........

F6 Hoon

03-03-2009, 02:52 PM

Where did you read that??? :shock: Wherever it was I doubt it's true because when I and a few others I know were looking for new cars in December last year there ended up a very limited choice because there were none around in popular configurations. Given limited production and the odd car or three selling this year I'd be surprised if they'd built back up to those sort of numbers.........

Ford Forums. Wasn't going to question the numbers....it sounds bad, and it's a change to hear bad news from the media about GM/Holden, rather than Ford. 1800 would be a more realistic number though.

vicarious

03-03-2009, 03:00 PM

Where did you read that??? :shock: Wherever it was I doubt it's true because when I and a few others I know were looking for new cars in December last year there ended up a very limited choice because there were none around in popular configurations. Given limited production and the odd car or three selling this year I'd be surprised if they'd built back up to those sort of numbers.........

and the elizabeth holding yard is looking very bare

Hamico

03-03-2009, 06:14 PM

Rumour and reality are two very different things.....

planetdavo

03-03-2009, 07:58 PM

Ford Forums. Wasn't going to question the numbers....it sounds bad, and it's a change to hear bad news from the media about GM/Holden, rather than Ford. 1800 would be a more realistic number though.
Yep, we all know forums have nothing but the truth posted...:stick:
Many dealers are currently low on desirable stock, as the big campaign of December was quite successful in clearing the paddocks, combined with the extended Christmas shutdown.

Martin_D

03-03-2009, 08:02 PM

Elizabeth looks empty on a quick drive by. Never have I seen it so barren.
That and very limited production.....what gives?
Certainly its not a function of successful sales campaigns Davo :eyes:

planetdavo

03-03-2009, 08:28 PM

You stirring the tea pot yet again Mr Tuna...

r8ls1

03-03-2009, 10:22 PM

Will the Elizabeth plant follow Mitsubishi

GM had potential but they need to lay down the crack pipe. 7 litre V8's that do 15l/100 were good when hoon laws weren't around, at least you could have some fun with it without being labelled a murderer.

I'll pass you a hoon law and raise you a common rail diesel 4 cyl...

V-Car

04-03-2009, 01:40 AM

Opel's financial woes :-

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=anBRYr_khZao&refer=home

Yep, things arent too flash at Opel.

http://www.autonews.com/article/20090303/ANE02/903039946/1193

GENEVA -- General Motors Europe will run out of money in the second quarter unless European governments come quickly to the company's aid, Chief Operating Officer Fritz Henderson said.

Henderson also said GM is willing to give up majority ownership of Opel, the German brand it has owned since 1929.

"There are no options off the table. We have to be open to legitimate interest," Henderson said at the Geneva auto show.

And if GM is ready to give up control of Opel, who's to say it wont happen to the much smaller GM Holden here?
Would there be any buyers willing to take it over?

Wonky

04-03-2009, 02:10 AM

Wonder if my new SSV ute will be made before the next temporary shutdown? Hope so as it is meant to arrive soon........

Evman

04-03-2009, 02:30 AM

That's unfortunately one of the more unnoticed drawbacks Wonks. No longer will we get the "overstocked" sales, etc at car yards. Instead we'll get longer waiting periods for our new vehicles to arrive :(

Note:
by 'our' vehicles I mean everyone elses. I'm not getting a new one :( (just yet) :p

roocrew

04-03-2009, 07:35 AM

I heard from a Holden rep in WA that there are yards over east full of left hand drive converted commos built for the USA and apparently america doesnt want them now...

Marco

04-03-2009, 08:28 AM

No way would Holden be sitting on 18,000 unsold Commodores. Total sales last year were just over the 50,000 mark IIRC, so what did Holden do - build an extra 3,000 Commodores a month for six months and hope someone would buy them? Not likely.

mmciau

04-03-2009, 08:45 AM

It has been reported that the GMNA has 161 days of vehicles on their inventory. It is obvious Holden doesn't want too many vehicles around unsold

Mike

roocrew

04-03-2009, 08:54 AM

they are in a bad way, it took 8 months to get my rear panels and drivers door for a VY ute...

Martin_D

04-03-2009, 09:29 AM

You stirring the tea pot yet again Mr Tuna...

Not at all.
I actually get to see the Holden plant quite regularly during my travels. Never have I seen it so empty in the holding yards. This could be confirmed by any SA member :)
You need to get out from behind that parts desk keyboard more Davo :lol:

myss427

04-03-2009, 09:34 AM

On the American sites they reported 2,700 plus sales for the G8 for February, so some ones buying them! All other car lines fell. They met there projected order total for the year of 20,000 sales in the worst of economic times, so Holden must be pleased.

Excellent

04-03-2009, 10:58 AM

It has been reported that the GMNA has 161 days of vehicles on their inventory. It is obvious Holden doesn't want too many vehicles around unsold

Mike

It's been that way for years. Ideally they'd want around 90 days.

vicarious

04-03-2009, 03:00 PM

Not at all.
I actually get to see the Holden plant quite regularly during my travels. Never have I seen it so empty in the holding yards. This could be confirmed by any SA member :)
You need to get out from behind that parts desk keyboard more Davo :lol:

confirmed, it is very empty

vecommo

04-03-2009, 03:26 PM

Ford Forums.

Yeah and we all know what an incredibly reliable and accurate source of information that is when it comes to Holdens.

18,000 vehicles in stock :lmao::lmao::lmao:

Geez you're a:jerk: :weirdo:

planetdavo

04-03-2009, 06:23 PM

You need to get out from behind that parts desk keyboard more Davo :lol:
I believe this comment confirms my post.
:)

F6 Hoon

04-03-2009, 06:42 PM

Yeah and we all know what an incredibly reliable and accurate source of information that is when it comes to Holdens.

18,000 vehicles in stock :lmao::lmao::lmao:

Geez you're a:jerk: :weirdo:

About as credible as your anti Ford bleating is on this forum :rofl:

You bought that VE yet or you still a cause of GM's problems by not stepping up to the mark and supporting your beloved manufacturer? :goodjob:

Martin_D

04-03-2009, 06:45 PM

I believe this comment confirms my post.
:)

No Davo, it means Holdens car storage yards are empty :lol:
Not long before top poster will be top resume poster if that keeps up :bow:

planetdavo

04-03-2009, 06:49 PM

No Davo, it means Holdens car storage yards are empty :lol:
Not long before top poster will be top resume poster if that keeps up :bow:
Just to refresh your memory on what I replied to, as you seem to prefer avoiding it...
Quote Tuna..."Certainly its not a function of successful sales campaigns Davo".
December was quite successful, according to the reduced carpark Mr T.
Yes you were stirring the pot. :)

vecommo

04-03-2009, 06:55 PM

You bought that VE yet or you still a cause of GM's problems by not stepping up to the mark and supporting your beloved manufacturer? :goodjob:

Yeah whatever...So my single VE purchase will single handedly solve all of GM's financial problems worldwide?
Must be a solid gold VE they're going to sell me.

Martin_D

04-03-2009, 06:58 PM

December was quite successful, according to the reduced carpark Mr T.
Yes you were stirring the pot. :)

No, I drive past your dream mecca and source of all income - Holden - often, its deserted, and a sign of the poor economic times, as NEVER even in Holdens most successful times was the storage yard so empty. Such is the December sales success that new years production has been slashed to the point where the employess are suffering and looking for jobs in whats left of the mining segment, go figure :eek:

planetdavo

04-03-2009, 07:02 PM

Any successful company adjusts for the times.
And, I believe, the "times" indicate we are in a recession. :teach:

BLACKVE

04-03-2009, 07:03 PM

I think you'll find the demise of GM finance the cause dealers arn't willing to have cars on lots atm, more a case of order and wait for now.

The dec sale's were very good and the yard was empty before the chrisy shutdown.