Dont use premium unleaded in VE SV6

[Phate]

I own a 2007 VE SV6, although other problems have arrised like other owners I now have one major problem I would like your opinions on,

Recently after leaving my car overnight, the first start of the morning produces pulsing at very low speeds, the local holden dealer first thought it was ABS, this was everntually diagnosed as misfiring (which they thought may be a crack in the block allowing coolant to enter the cilinders), they have since stated that the "Phantom Misfiring" is a symptom of using Premium unleaded.

I was quick to point out that my car ran fine on premium and unleaded for a year and a half before this problem started.

After hearing many false comments about my vehicle such as the loud knocking noises being normal I feel that this is just another excuse to palm off the problem. :flipoff:

Please can other members tell me what they think and if they have had the same issue.

[Toddler78]

:rofl: dont use premium unleaded:rofl::goodjob: arnt you ment to be putting 95ron in these anyway minimum? unless my knowledge on fuel is all worng,the better the octane rating the better the engine will run. Me thinks your dealer should get a magary medal for that hand ball

id say if you can take it somewhere to get a dyno run and get a full diagnostic that should point you in the right dirrection my guess may be a faulty lead or coil

[steve_t]

WTF?? Is the dealer on crack?!
I wonder if there's an issue with fuel quality at the mo. I know that Auckland, New Zealand has run out of BP Ultimate recently.
I'd still start by checking the plugs, and if they look OK, the coils ;)

[kpop]

ive used both 95 and 98 octane no problems on my alloytec

[iloveholden]

I run my alloytech on normal ULP because when i tried two different types of premium ULP (95 RON) all it did was chew through more fuel and made my car smell as if it was running rich...so i stopped using it and 91RON does the job.

[CSP]

Damn! I'm switching to deisel!!!

[DaveHAT]

Damn! I'm switching to deisel!!!

Don't you mean diesel? :confused:

[Goatie]

Don't you mean diesel? :confused:

i think its a new coupe version being released :goodjob:

[CSP]

Don't you mean diesel? :confused:

:goodjob: Thanks Dave!

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[macca_779]

Holden really does employ some morons at their dealerships don't they.

[DaveHAT]

:goodjob: Thanks Dave!

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No worries champ ... knowing that you're a life member of the

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I thought you'd appreciate the effort.


Now if you'll excuse me ... I'm off to put some "shit" E10 in my new Holden Coupe. google

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[CSP]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:goodjob:

[SirNemesis]

Yes, thats right people. Don't use PULP in an VE SV6. Also, don't drive south between 1:36am and 1:41am or your car will burst into flames. True story... heard it from a friend of a friend of mine. :rofl:

Your dealer is talking shit. End of story.

[zaim]

Personally i only use United 95 with Ethanol in my alloytech... i get the most km's out of it. I put bp premium in the other week, and did less km's.. go figure

[EddieVE06]

I had a VE SV6 for 2 years and most of the time I ran premium in it. No issues for me on either premium or normal unleaded. Seek second opinion sounds like the dealer cant be bothered.

[blacksv869]

Holden really does employ some morons at their dealerships don't they.

that sucks, so how do these morons that work in the "service" department get these jobs...... its like a cop, most are normal/smart/half a brain people, but the "special" group ruin it for all(aka most traffic cops), where is davo when ya need him.....

[Phate]

I just spoke to Holden in adelaide and he also finds the given explanation unbelievable, he actually found it amusing.

[MJR-57T]

Totally un related to the unleaded fuel but look into a cracked spark plug.
I replaced heaps of ignition gear on my old VT coils crank angle sensor ect ect before finding no 1 spark plug was split in 2 :confused: by the guys that fitted a 2nd hand wrecker motor after blowing up the 1st one.
Told them that plugs were new so please transfer them to the new motor.

Have a look, might be worth it

[Phate]

So far the dealer is going to flush the petrol tank and fill with normal unleaded (at my expense :flipoff:), he seems to think that if this solves the problem then their work is done and that i should just run unleaded.

Spoke to holden customer assistance and they are no better than our local dealer, i never thought i would be one to complain so much but constant ongoing problems are really starting to wear thin :vpo:

[monaro327]

i have run my ve sv6 on 98ron fuel since new.

[blacksv869]

So far the dealer is going to flush the petrol tank and fill with normal unleaded (at my expense :flipoff:), he seems to think that if this solves the problem then their work is done and that i should just run unleaded.

Spoke to holden customer assistance and they are no better than our local dealer, i never thought i would be one to complain so much but constant ongoing problems are really starting to wear thin :vpo:

so when it ends up NOT being from the premium, will it be at his expense?:confused:

[vessute08]

Thats just F&*king pathetic!!! I WOULD NOT be allowing them to charge you for unleaded petrol when it is advertised that they should be ran on 95ron. When it comes back that this is not the problem, which it will, i'd demand re-imbursement for the petrol and also take my car somewhere else. Preferably where the mechanic doesnt have s@#t for brains

[leathal_tonner]

Mechanics? Dealers don't employees mechanics anymore. They employee pimple face little sh1ts who fail university IT courses.

[Phate]

Thanks for the comments guys the more the better!!!
More comments = more ammunition for me,


Cheers all, very quick responses :goodjob:

[CSP]

if it's Wagga Motors, none of this is at all surprising!

I've heard of a rattling exhaust warranty job being fixed with a coat hangar and NEW cars being delivered with 200km on the clock!

[CLUBRED]

Do people actually read their handbooks...?

http://users.tpg.com.au/cmr05e//ve_fuel_handbook.jpg

Not having a go at the OP, but the people saying its a premium fuel only car. I've run all types of acceptable fuels and found no reason to run anything over 91 for km/$/performance ratio, anything more than 7c/L over regular ULP then not worth it in my experiences. You want to run 95+ then get it edited, I never saw better fuel economy, but marginal performance increase (probably why no better fuel returns, probably drove differently).

[Phate]

I think they may be confused or only own the SS models which I am pretty sure states Premiuim only, thanks for the info tho

[CLUBRED]

Pretty sure only the HSV's are premium only.

[blacksv869]

Do people actually read their handbooks...?

http://users.tpg.com.au/cmr05e//ve_fuel_handbook.jpg

Not having a go at the OP, but the people saying its a premium fuel only car. I've run all types of acceptable fuels and found no reason to run anything over 91 for km/$/performance ratio, anything more than 7c/L over regular ULP then not worth it in my experiences. You want to run 95+ then get it edited, I never saw better fuel economy, but marginal performance increase (probably why no better fuel returns, probably drove differently).

any car will IMPROVE with higher octane fuels, not shudder or experience problems.....thats the argument.:goodjob:

on the cost side of premium, the car has to learn that is has premium(knock sensors etc) so one tankful one off will yes only improve very marginally, over many uses that would be very different.....correct me if I'm wrong but the knock sensors alone can command over 8 deg. of total timing (reduce) if it detects bad fuel(normal unleaded) on a ls1....that you would notice BIG TIME.

again correct me if I'm wrong, but don't any decent tuner still run the low octane tables, albeit improved?

that goes without saying all the other benefits of the better quality fuel(cleaner, emissions etc.)

[Roonstain]

your dealer has NO IDEA what he is talking about

I have run my VE V6 on Premium (98RON) since December 06 - no problem

The Bosch E77 ECU that is in these cars has a high octane and low octane table - shitty fuel means it will pull timing and run off the low octane table - it will run, just nowhere near its optimum
The opposite is the case for 98RON (and to a lesser extent, 95RON)

The higher the octane, the less chance of any knock - and this is from a 19 year old, with what you could say is an incredibly limited knowledge about cars - but someone who can read, and has common sense! (both of which are skills your dealer does not possess)

I will almost guarantee the knocking sound will worsen when regular unleaded is used
I ran 1 tank of 91RON in my car when stock and new - the fuel the dealer put in
ran like crap, spluttered and made a little noise
My first drive drank the tank empty, then the good stuff went in - happy days since!

DO NOT LET THIS HOLDEN DEALER TOUCH YOUR CAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They obviously are DANGEROUSLY misguided as to how cars and fuel works
It may not be convenient to take it to another dealer, but it will be more inconvenient when this mob wrecks your car, and tries to blame you!

Run the best fuel you can afford in your car, because it will thank you for it, regardless of what a holden dealer in wagga tells ya!

Please keep your car well away from these people!

Cheers
Mark

[Phate]

Just to get it straight my Local dealer is in Broken Hill Not wagga wagga, they are now owned by a dealer from adelaide, from what I hear the adelaide crew are supposed to be have excellent service, dont know from experience but from the trouble I am having here I may soon find out

[6.2L.Club]

Can you thoroghly describe what's happening when your driving it please to give the symprtoms you have quoted. Things like road speed, road conditions, straligt/bendy road, when does it stop/start, are there any other noises with the car that seem to be associated with what the car is doing. How does it affecr drivralilty? Does in mainly judy do it at idle?.

Be as thorough as you possibly can to explin what happened or recently starting happeningand how offen it happens

Instead paying for your fuel tank to be flushed (which should be at their expence as they are trying to diagnose the fault still), make them pay for it as it forms part of the warranty claim, so far from what l've read, youv'e done nothng wrong, you've had to put up with techmitions with limited training on faultfinding and systematic diagnosis repairs.

Hope you get the answes you are seeking and everyone knows a bad batch of fuel gets through occasioally, oh well

Good luck with your results

[WW-VFSSVR]

I think I have te same problem in my 10/08 SV6 Wagon....On startup I always let it warm up for between 30sec to a minute, then when I take off (slowly out of garage) it stutters in a way I can only discribe as going slowly over a corrigated road. This only happens for a matter of meters, and I have mentioned this to my dealer and they want the car overnight to see if they can reproduce the probem. This only seems to happen in the morning, any other time it seems to be right. I too run 98ron in my baby.

[CarlFST60L]

rofl, thats some funny stuff. That guy at the dealer is obviously a total f#$king retard.

[CSP]

Pretty sure only the HSV's are premium only.

No current production Holden Commodore (or any derivative incl. HSVs) is "Premium Fuel Only".

They will all run fine on 91RON unleaded. The HSVs are "Premium Fuel Recommended" but it's not because it's better for the engine (even though it is), it's because to get the most performance out of them requires the premium fuel.

You won't do any damage to any Holden Commodore (or any derivative incl. HSVs) regardless of whether you use 91, 95 or 98 RON fuel. And unless there is a problem with the FUEL, it won't cause a problem with the car.

[CarlFST60L]

I remember at my first dyno day I watched a few car's which were stock and wondered why some spat out black bits of sh!t out the exhaust and some didn't. Most left splatters of black oily dirty sh!t behind the car. The reason, non premium fuels. The are clearly not refined and have high levels of impurities, so, since then, I have never put anything other than premium fuel in any of my bikes, cars or boats.

[markols1]

So far the dealer is going to flush the petrol tank and fill with normal unleaded (at my expense :flipoff:), he seems to think that if this solves the problem then their work is done and that i should just run unleaded.

Spoke to holden customer assistance and they are no better than our local dealer, i never thought i would be one to complain so much but constant ongoing problems are really starting to wear thin :vpo:
Dude take it across the road to Mark hill he will look after you. ps tell him the bullshite holden told you.

[Phate]

Re: Dont use premium unleaded in VE SV6

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I think I have te same problem in my 10/08 SV6 Wagon....On startup I always let it warm up for between 30sec to a minute, then when I take off (slowly out of garage) it stutters in a way I can only discribe as going slowly over a corrigated road. This only happens for a matter of meters, and I have mentioned this to my dealer and they want the car overnight to see if they can reproduce the probem. This only seems to happen in the morning, any other time it seems to be right. I too run 98ron in my baby.


This is the exact problem I have, the pulsing only occurs for a few seconds each morning, or the first time you drive the car for the day, it feels as though the engine may stall (shudders) or that ABS may be activating I'm glad I'm not the only one with this issue as there is more chance this problem may be fixed.

This problem never occurs at speed, only just after you start the car and either foward or reverse.

Originally the dealer thought I had a porous block or a hair line crack that was allowing coolant to enter the cilinders. Lets hope this gets solved :confused:

[CLUBRED]

No current production Holden Commodore (or any derivative incl. HSVs) is "Premium Fuel Only".

Cheers, I was going off redbook info, but I have always wondered what people do in more rural/remote areas with the cars.

Back on topic, I'm wondering if the problem my be external to the engine, say gearbox or dif. if its only occuring when moving.

[bungrs]

Thats just F&*king pathetic!!! I WOULD NOT be allowing them to charge you for unleaded petrol when it is advertised that they should be ran on 95ron. When it comes back that this is not the problem, which it will, i'd demand re-imbursement for the petrol and also take my car somewhere else. Preferably where the mechanic doesnt have s@#t for brains

The VE SV6 alloytec motors are actually meant to be run on 91RON, as per the manual. All power figures and econmy figures were derived from running on 91RON. It shouldn't hurt it at all running it on 98RON

[CarlFST60L]

I would love to see one stripped down after 20,000km that has been run on dirt, i mean 91ron, and one on 98ron. I would bet any money that the 98ron would be MUCH better for its not just higher octane, its refined properly.

If anyone does run 91ron, try going for a quick squirt to red line in 1st, 2nd and 3rd, then, wipe a rag around the inside of the exhaust tip and check out the oily dirty shit you get. Then run your car on 98 for a couple of tanks and repeat and you will find only dry black marks on the rag instead of wet muddy oil. IMO, if you see that and still put 91 in your car, then I have nfi what your doing reading car forums.

[EpOcH]

This is amusing ...

Bought a new whipper snipper on the weekend .... What does the lawnmower place say ...

"DONT put normal unleaded in it use premium unleaded, if you knew how much crap the normal unleaded containes, you'd understand why" .... (enter part about only using 98Ron only in my car).

This is for a new $400 STIHL 2stroke whipper snipper.

I think your holden dealer has been a little close to some open fuel tanks personally.

[WW-VFSSVR]

Phate...let m e know the outcome if there is one. I will do the same. Mine does not do it every day, but I notice the colder the morning the more likely it is to happen.:confused:

[BLACK 346]

I remember at my first dyno day I watched a few car's which were stock and wondered why some spat out black bits of sh!t out the exhaust and some didn't. Most left splatters of black oily dirty sh!t behind the car. The reason, non premium fuels. The are clearly not refined and have high levels of impurities, so, since then, I have never put anything other than premium fuel in any of my bikes, cars or boats.

I run nothing but BP Ultimate in my cammed LS1, it spits dirty black
shit out the exhaust, it is all over my garage door. I was told it
was due to the cam, 226/234, not the fuel.

[darb]

not ESP or some other TC system getting confused is it?

[White Rider]

Had similar problem on my petrol Nissan Patrols. Id use premium for a while then it would get harder and harder to start taking 10-20seconds, sometimes not firing up right, sometimes dying. Then it would bog down upon accellerating for the first time of the day (after that it would run fine). This continued for about a year or 2, using different brands and stations of premium unleaded. One day filled with regular unleaded and the problem was gone.

Wrote of that Patrol in an accident then got another, tried premium again, same thing as above.

Point is, some engines just dont like high octane fuel. Just because it says premium doesnt always mean its better. Octane makes the fuel burn slower and u cant just keep adding more expecting more and more power. Tunes, cams and compression will dictate whether high octane is helping, doing nothing or hindering an engine.

[CarlFST60L]

I run nothing but BP Ultimate in my cammed LS1, it spits dirty black
shit out the exhaust, it is all over my garage door. I was told it
was due to the cam, 226/234, not the fuel.

Try running it on 91ron, then you will need a wheel shovel to remove the piles of black shite ;)

[Deanss-v]

I remember at my first dyno day I watched a few car's which were stock and wondered why some spat out black bits of sh!t out the exhaust and some didn't. Most left splatters of black oily dirty sh!t behind the car. The reason, non premium fuels. The are clearly not refined and have high levels of impurities, so, since then, I have never put anything other than premium fuel in any of my bikes, cars or boats.


I run nothing but BP Ultimate in my cammed LS1, it spits dirty black
shit out the exhaust, it is all over my garage door. I was told it
was due to the cam, 226/234, not the fuel.

Same hear black crap out the back of the cammed ve running on ultimate.
I think allot of the black crap coming out of the exhaust is mostly due to allot of modified cars running aftermarket cats with high flow, not just the fuel. :teach:

[darb]

treid pulling the battery leads off to reset the VE computer? i do this very now n then .. VE seems to get itself into some retarded state from time to time, uses more fuel, way less responsive and driveable ... always on ultimate (91 even worse though...) ... pull battery leads off for a few seconds and its like a different car. I do it prob once a month, when cleaning the car ...

[Phate]

They did think originally that it may be the ABS as it feels just like it, however they assure me that its misfiring or Phantom misfiring as the Holden Tech line put it.

The latest word from my dearler is that some other (more knowledgable :bow:) tech said that checking that it was caused by premiuim should not have been performed before more, not sure which, tests are performed.

Also took users advice and agreed with my dealer that when it turns out not to be caused by premium that will credit me for the fuel they wanted to charge me for.

One more thing I would like your opinion on is I have told my dealer that if it does eventually turn out to be caused by using premium I will still not be happy with this, IMO i believe that my car should be able to be ran on any fuel i choose (with in reason),

is this too demanding on my part????????????????????

[pmac]

holden claims it can run on all unleaded fuels so the car should be able to do what holden claims. otherwise im not sure on each states consumers rights but that would be along the lines of misleading advertising and u'd probably be entilted to a refund, thats if u want to take it very far

[Oztrack Tuning]

No chance its caused by premium.

[Desertws6]

I run nothing but BP Ultimate in my cammed LS1, it spits dirty black
shit out the exhaust, it is all over my garage door. I was told it
was due to the cam, 226/234, not the fuel.

I hear ya, have the same issue here.

This is just carbon. Carbon particles from the exhaust are combined with moisture and get spit out when the car and the cats are cold. Once the moisture is cleared out this does go away. This can be accentuated by aftermarket exhaust and the cam installed.
The cold car upon starting is running rich until the computer leans it out after the O2 sensors heat up.


No chance its caused by premium.

+1 agreed............It could possibly be bad or contaminated petrol causing these issues.

Cheers,
Steve

[seldo]

They did think originally that it may be the ABS as it feels just like it, however they assure me that its misfiring or Phantom misfiring as the Holden Tech line put it.

You finally have hit the nail on the head - it is the ABS calibrating itself. Promise you! Bloody 98 fuel - what a laugh! Back to service nursery for these dudes.

[Phate]

You finally have hit the nail on the head - it is the ABS calibrating itself. Promise you! Bloody 98 fuel - what a laugh! Back to service nursery for these dudes.


They have already replace and double checked the ABS apparantely, and assure me that it couldnt be the ABS.

This is what i suspected and the dealer also thought to start with, I have had it pulsate without my foot on the break however so I suspect it still may be an engine issue.

Although I will definately suggest it again to my dealer as your the second person to say its ABS


I think I have te same problem in my 10/08 SV6 Wagon....On startup I always let it warm up for between 30sec to a minute, then when I take off (slowly out of garage) it stutters in a way I can only discribe as going slowly over a corrigated road. This only happens for a matter of meters, and I have mentioned this to my dealer and they want the car overnight to see if they can reproduce the probem. This only seems to happen in the morning, any other time it seems to be right. I too run 98ron in my baby.

I hope we can both solve this problem, please let me know how you get on with your dealer and whether or not they solve the problem......

[seldo]

They have already replace and double checked the ABS apparantely, and assure me that it couldnt be the ABS.

This is what i suspected and the dealer also thought to start with, I have had it pulsate without my foot on the break however so I suspect it still may be an engine issue.

Although I will definately suggest it again to my dealer as your the second person to say its ABS
My VY Senator used to do it too and it just slowly disappeared, or else I'm now used to it and don't notice any more.

when I take off (slowly out of garage) it stutters in a way I can only discribe as going slowly over a corrigated road. This only happens for a matter of metersThis describes it perfectly, and it is the ABS. Just relax.

[steve_t]

Point is, some engines just dont like high octane fuel. Just because it says premium doesnt always mean its better. Octane makes the fuel burn slower and u cant just keep adding more expecting more and more power. Tunes, cams and compression will dictate whether high octane is helping, doing nothing or hindering an engine.

Higher octane fuel doesn't necessarily burn slower (flame speed). The higher octane means a higher resistance to pre-ignition aka knock. Higher octane means you can run higher compression and advanced spark timing without the mixture igniting before the spark fires and still get an even burn... more power!!

[Phate]

My problem tho is that I am supposed to be able to run my car on any fuel I choose (unleaded, premium unleaded & E10 ethanol) without problems...

[steve_t]

Has it not gone to the dealer for tests yet?

[Phate]

Has it not gone to the dealer for tests yet?

As this problem only usually occurs the first time you start the car for the day my local dealer has now had my car for 3 weeks....... very unhappy

[Phate]

4 weeks and counting...........

Still unable to find the problem, either they will send a tech down to have a look (doesnt sound hopeful) or they will send my car to melbourne.......
Anyone know why melbourne and what this may mean???????????

[steve_t]

4 weeks?! I hope they gave u a nice SSV courtesy car to drive around in!

[Phate]

4 weeks?! I hope they gave u a nice SSV courtesy car to drive around in!

Still fighting for a courtesy car, apparantely they are having a meeting today to discuss what they are going to do about the whole situation.....

Will update the sarvo when/if they call........

[CSP]

When shit like this happens, the car should be sent back to the plant it came from and you should be given a replacement...

[Phate]

Just heard back..........as this fault only occurs 75% of the time they are trying to record the info at the time of the fault to send itto holden......apparantely they have a panel of techs on the case.........

Tried to offer me a VT commodore (10 years older than mine) , very unhappy and have refused,

They say that if they can get the recorded results from the fault then I can have my car back while they sort out the problem......... this is very dodgy as if it is a major problem, driving the car may cause further damage............

After lodging a complaint with the holden assist line I have still not heard back from them........... Although still happy, like other members I will never buy a new holden again........

Thank god theres still a year of warranty left (minus the MONTH it has now been at the local dealer).

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[Big_Valven]

Sounds like someone needs a chillaxative...

There are three apparent problems here.
1. You got a "friday afternoon" car.
2. You have initially had a fairly hopeless support team (dealer) and have not taken it elsewhere to get it fixed.
3. You're being really impatient.
Number 1 isn't your fault. Its shit that friday afternoon cars still happen but they do.
Second of all you're clearly experiencing an unusual fault, you can hardly expect them to click their fingers and instantly know what is wrong and how to fix it. It sounds like they are putting many more people into working out what the problem is than I would have expected, they clearly are trying to work it out.

Sometimes not everything goes your way, even if you paid money for it. Goodness knows it happens to me all the time.

[blacksv869]

double your warranty or take your money back....and the VT thing, i would have told the manager to drive it and take his car??

best wishes mate


Sounds like someone needs a chillaxative...

There are three apparent problems here.
1. You got a "friday afternoon" car.
2. You have initially had a fairly hopeless support team (dealer) and have not taken it elsewhere to get it fixed.
3. You're being really impatient.
Number 1 isn't your fault. Its shit that friday afternoon cars still happen but they do.
Second of all you're clearly experiencing an unusual fault, you can hardly expect them to click their fingers and instantly know what is wrong and how to fix it. It sounds like they are putting many more people into working out what the problem is than I would have expected, they clearly are trying to work it out.

Sometimes not everything goes your way, even if you paid money for it. Goodness knows it happens to me all the time.

WHAT...the poor bastard has been told BS from the start, 4 WEEKS is not being impatient, hey if i spent 35 grand on a new car 4 hours would be all they get....

Friday afternoon car or not, that is completely irrelevent.....you pay hard earned coin for something, you would expect it to WORK, whether it be a 2 dollar clock or a Ferrari

:feedtroll:

[Phate]

Sounds like someone needs a chillaxative...

There are three apparent problems here.
1. You got a "friday afternoon" car.
2. You have initially had a fairly hopeless support team (dealer) and have not taken it elsewhere to get it fixed.
3. You're being really impatient.
Number 1 isn't your fault. Its shit that friday afternoon cars still happen but they do.
Second of all you're clearly experiencing an unusual fault, you can hardly expect them to click their fingers and instantly know what is wrong and how to fix it. It sounds like they are putting many more people into working out what the problem is than I would have expected, they clearly are trying to work it out.

Sometimes not everything goes your way, even if you paid money for it. Goodness knows it happens to me all the time.



1. MY CAR HAS BEEN THERE FOR A MONTH

2. The next closest dealer is 300km away, should I drive there and fly home each and every time they think they have fixed it

3. Impatient...........its been a whole bl**dy month (Glad to see that you would be happy paying rego etc for a month with no car to use:flipoff:)


Helpful comments only please!!!!!!!!!


double your warranty or take your money back....and the VT thing, i would have told the manager to drive it and take his car??

best wishes mate



WHAT...the poor bastard has been told BS from the start, 4 WEEKS is not being impatient, hey if i spent 35 grand on a new car 4 hours would be all they get....

Friday afternoon car or not, that is completely irrelevent.....you pay hard earned coin for something, you would expect it to WORK, whether it be a 2 dollar clock or a Ferrari

:feedtroll:


Thanks for the backup lol :goodjob: (Its not just me then)

[CSP]

mate there is a simple solution... take it to a non-Holden reputable workshop, get the written diagnosis from them and take it back to Holden, slap it down and tell em they have a week!

[CLUBRED]

whether it be a 2 dollar clock

Incidently, I've never had an issue with my $2 clock in my garage, be 6 years old now.

[Big_Valven]

1. MY CAR HAS BEEN THERE FOR A MONTH

2. The next closest dealer is 300km away, should I drive there and fly home each and every time they think they have fixed it

3. Impatient...........its been a whole bl**dy month (Glad to see that you would be happy paying rego etc for a month with no car to use:flipoff:)


Helpful comments only please!!!!!!!!!


I had to deal with not having a car for THREE MONTHS, I paid over $1500 in ongoing costs (insurance, rego, etc) to have NO CAR and NO ALTERNATIVE VEHICLE and I was dealing with bastard insurers dicking me round, not a service team putting in what sounds like a higher than average effort to fix a clearly elusive and uncommon problem. Tough titties for me - sometimes that's how life works!

Stamping your feet at Holden who are trying to help, and snapping at strangers on the internet doesn't get your car any closer to being fixed. You're not the only stranger out there who encounters problems in life.

EDIT: I'm not saying your problem is invalid or irrelevant, because it's not. But you should try it for three months - it's three times more expensive and you still don't get to drive it!

[blacksv869]

I had to deal with not having a car for THREE MONTHS, I paid over $1500 in ongoing costs (insurance, rego, etc) to have NO CAR and NO ALTERNATIVE VEHICLE and I was dealing with bastard insurers dicking me round, not a service team putting in what sounds like a higher than average effort to fix a clearly elusive and uncommon problem. Tough titties for me - sometimes that's how life works!

Stamping your feet at Holden who are trying to help, and snapping at strangers on the internet doesn't get your car any closer to being fixed. You're not the only stranger out there who encounters problems in life.

EDIT: I'm not saying your problem is invalid or irrelevant, because it's not. But you should try it for three months - it's three times more expensive and you still don't get to drive it!

umm yes, have you read the start post.....trying VERY hard

so you just bend over do you..... good luck with that:goodjob:

thankyou phate for telling us this problem and exposing it......it is a damn shame that HOLDEN keep stuffing up there after sales service....that build a damn good product.

[steve_t]

I had to deal with not having a car for THREE MONTHS, I paid over $1500 in ongoing costs (insurance, rego, etc) to have NO CAR and NO ALTERNATIVE VEHICLE and I was dealing with bastard insurers dicking me round, not a service team putting in what sounds like a higher than average effort to fix a clearly elusive and uncommon problem. Tough titties for me - sometimes that's how life works!

Stamping your feet at Holden who are trying to help, and snapping at strangers on the internet doesn't get your car any closer to being fixed. You're not the only stranger out there who encounters problems in life.

EDIT: I'm not saying your problem is invalid or irrelevant, because it's not. But you should try it for three months - it's three times more expensive and you still don't get to drive it!

3 months?!!! With no car?!! That's just madness. How did u get around? But your issue was with your insurance company, not Holden, right?

Possibly a bit rough saying that you've had to wait 3 months so the guy that has had to wait 1 month should HTFU. Kinda like saying to a guy that's been stabbed in the chest that he should count himself lucky cos u got stabbed 3 times some time ago (hypothetical of course!)
Some times you do need to follow things up to get a result sooner... but you do also need to be careful not to antagonise people or they'll move your case to the bottom of the priority list.
My sympathies that u had such a sh1t time waiting 3 months without a car, but I am also sympathetic to Phate who is obviously not a happy chap and a person who most of us think should be treated better if Holden want repeat customers.

If I get sh1t service along the way with my Maloo, I'm definitely gonna consider a black FG F6 sedan

[Big_Valven]

3 months?!!! With no car?!! That's just madness. How did u get around? But your issue was with your insurance company, not Holden, right?

Yes you're right - was dealing with insurers but a similar situation in that I was essentially paying for a car I couldn't use, with no idea when (or even if) I would be able to use if again. Was a difficult time, I was constantly on their backs about it but when they don't return phonecalls / give vague answers and dodge the issue it's hard to get anywhere.


Possibly a bit rough saying that you've had to wait 3 months so the guy that has had to wait 1 month should HTFU. Kinda like saying to a guy that's been stabbed in the chest that he should count himself lucky cos u got stabbed 3 times some time ago (hypothetical of course!)

You're right, I should have made the point instead that this sort of thing has happened to lots of people and will happen to lots of people in the future, I know it shouldn't make Phate's case any less important but it's always good to put things in perspective.


Some times you do need to follow things up to get a result sooner... but you do also need to be careful not to antagonise people or they'll move your case to the bottom of the priority list.
My sympathies that u had such a sh1t time waiting 3 months without a car, but I am also sympathetic to Phate who is obviously not a happy chap.

Look at the end of the day, I agree with you. He shouldn't be happy, it's not a satisfactory situation, but patience and pro-activeness need to be balanced otherwise things can turn ugly. I know first hand from my own experiences.


umm yes, have you read the start post.....trying VERY hard
May I refer to:-

Just heard back...they are trying to record the info at the time of the fault to send it to holden......apparently they have a panel of techs on the case...
My family have owned Holdens for my whole life and I can never remember having a panel of techs assigned to any issue we ever had, great or small... so it would strike me that they really are sitting up and taking notice...

[BLACK 346]

Tried to offer me a VT commodore (10 years older than mine) , very unhappy and have refused,

They offered you a VT loan car and you refused? Not good enough
for you? Or are they trying to offer the VT as a swap, then I could
understand you getting upset.

[CSP]

They offered you a VT loan car and you refused? Not good enough
for you? Or are they trying to offer the VT as a swap, then I could
understand you getting upset.

You spend money on a BRAND NEW VE and it's off the road for weeks while the incompetant dealer's service department scratch their heads? You get a VE as a loaner - SIMPLE!

As for Holden and after sales service, technically, it's the dealers who provide the after sales service. Holden honor the warranties issues that dealers repair (i.e. pay the dealer for the labour and no cost for replacement parts etc).

[BLACK 346]

You spend money on a BRAND NEW VE and it's off the road for weeks while the incompetant dealer's service department scratch their heads? You get a VE as a loaner - SIMPLE!

As for Holden and after sales service, technically, it's the dealers who provide the after sales service. Holden honor the warranties issues that dealers repair (i.e. pay the dealer for the labour and no cost for replacement parts etc).

Fair enough, maybe I am just not demanding enough, I take whatever
I am given and am thankful for it when my car is being fixed for nothing.
If they were to hand me the keys to a leaky, unroadworthy heap of
excrement, then I would do my nut, but other than that, I am not
that precious.

[CSP]

worst loaner my dealer has given me was a demo VE SV6... The best was a Calais V V8.

[XUV]

3 months FFS , too long with no car , you should get a demo as a lender .
And as much as i hate them , I'd contact ACA or TT .

[kpop]

treid pulling the battery leads off to reset the VE computer? i do this very now n then .. VE seems to get itself into some retarded state from time to time, uses more fuel, way less responsive and driveable ... always on ultimate (91 even worse though...) ... pull battery leads off for a few seconds and its like a different car. I do it prob once a month, when cleaning the car ...

this resets seating, mirror and radio options, very annoying !

[yetiman1]

I had a problem with my wifes car (Ford focus zetec)brought the car to ford and was told that they couldn't find any problem so bad luck, I told them they could go F#*k them selves, I rang fairtrading and they told me to take the car to a specialist in parramatta get a report and go back to ford and if they do nothing ring fairtrading back , so I did and they found the problem so i brought the car back to ford and they said there computer can't find anything wrong and gave me the car back so i rand Fairtrading back and they said they would ring ford and that I should expect a call from ford soon,
The same day I got a call from ford (Manager) and he asked why did I ring fairtading I told him because they stuffed me around he told me to bring the car back in he would fix it today so i did they fixed the car and never had a problem with the car again.......!!!
So the problem was ford was to cheap to pay for the new part (computer) under warranty so they stuff you around there liars they will do anything to get away with not paying for the problems,
Maybe you can follow the same path !!! Good luck mate !!!!

[steve_t]

Fair enough, maybe I am just not demanding enough, I take whatever
I am given and am thankful for it when my car is being fixed for nothing.
If they were to hand me the keys to a leaky, unroadworthy heap of
excrement, then I would do my nut, but other than that, I am not
that precious.

How about a bright pink MX5? :rofl: Just kidding.
When I took my car in the for the first service, they gave me a bright red Viva. It was only for 1 day so I didn't care but I'd prefer not to drive a Viva or Barina or similar for any longer than that... I guess I'm a bit precious :lmao:

[BLACK 346]

How about a bright pink MX5? :rofl: Just kidding.
When I took my car in the for the first service, they gave me a bright red Viva. It was only for 1 day so I didn't care but I'd prefer not to drive a Viva or Barina or similar for any longer than that... I guess I'm a bit precious :lmao:

Bit along the lines of those who think the Police must have big V8's
lest they lose their masculinity. Once you get out of the bright pink
MX5 you will still be the same, trust me :)

[Phate]

They offered you a VT loan car and you refused? Not good enough
for you? Or are they trying to offer the VT as a swap, then I could
understand you getting upset.

lol started a sh*tstorm lol

No i'm not happy with an older car (my last car was a VT)

Please dont get me wrong I am by no means down at holden jumping up and down I was just not happy with their attempt to talk away the problem.....

And i do realise that a local dealer has to jump through holdens hoops to get warranty repairs etc.........

I am being patient, but venting my frustrations on here to hopefully gain a solution from another member not to start arguments with random people............:feedtroll:

No i'm not happy with an older car (my last car was a VT)


N.B
Was very happy with the vt and never had any problems thats why I brought the VE.....

Didnt want to upset anyone with a VT as it was an awesome car for quite a few years.....

No i'm not happy with an older car (my last car was a VT)


N.B
Was very happy with the vt and never had any problems thats why I brought the VE.....

Didnt want to upset anyone with a VT as it was an awesome car for quite a few years.....

No i'm not happy with an older car (my last car was a VT)


N.B
Was very happy with the vt and never had any problems thats why I brought the VE.....

Didnt want to upset anyone with a VT as it was an awesome car for quite a few years.....

[Phate]

Just got the car the back, they have taken a "snapshot" of all readings as the fault happens, this will be sent to holden for further analysis.

However they did not replace the centre console around the window buttons that they cracked and broke last time and now they have chipped a corner off one of my window buttons that they only replaced a month ago due to a fault. Further repairs on the way :vpo: (does happen tho)

I will keep all updated on the solution to the engine problem and to the other member with the same problem I will PM you as soon as the problem is solved (have you herd anything).

[hothed]

diesel it is lol.....:1peek:

[Phate]

Ok quick update, been nearly 7 months or something now and still no solution.

Have replaced headers and various other parts with a new car on the lot..
Have replaced throttle sensor....
Done many more computer updates....(side note latest computer update has affected acceleration...for the better..odd)


Dealers comments "Sick of this car" "Have no f***ing idead whats wrong"...


This is gettting very frustrating........




Edit: Rang holden line and was told that the case for my car was closed on the 17/04 09.........what a joke

[Phate]

[QUOTE]
"Have replaced headers and various other parts with a new car on the lot.."


Turns out they have not replaced this (although they told me they did), I have been asking for a copy of all invoices generated with my car for 6 months now...... (Including the warranty jobs they tried to bill me for)


SIDE NOTE:

They also have a brand new sportswagon on the lot that has the same misfire issue mine has........

Anyone in the same boat?

[monaro327]

nope march 08 sv6 that has drunk nothing but 98ron since we bought it no issues thus far.

[VSFAN]

The fact that this problem only occurs when cold (is that right?), and everyone involved ie: holden thinks it is engine related, it is pointing towards a lean condition.
When the problem occurs does it seem like you have to apply more throttle to get the same acceleration as when the cars warm?

If so you could try a few things to rule this out,

Pay a local tuner to check the air/ fuel ratios, maybe it's going into closed loop to early, Maybe theres simply a vacuum leak.

You could quite easily have picked up some water with some fuel causing your fuel lines to rust (which are after your filter) clogging up injectors, get them checked.

If it was the ABS causing it couldn't you pull the fuse/relay and see if it still does it.

[Carver3]

Pretty sure only the HSV's are premium only.
Not at all. All the doc's I got in the SS-V Wagon stated fuel economy with 91ULP, but all power figures with 95+RON


The VE SV6 alloytec motors are actually meant to be run on 91RON, as per the manual. All power figures and econmy figures were derived from running on 91RON. It shouldn't hurt it at all running it on 98RON

Funny that, all the V8 power figures are 95/98.

I claim 'Misguidance by Holden!'. Should be law that economy and power figures should all be done by the same fuel.

[CLUBRED]

Not at all. All the doc's I got in the SS-V Wagon stated fuel economy with 91ULP, but all power figures with 95+RON

Not following why you're disagreeing with me?

From HSV:


Recommended petrol - octane rating 98 RON PULP. Note that using 95RON (PULP) or lower will not cause any problems, but will result in slightly less engine performance and economy.

No mention of 91. Holden vehicles recommend 91+, thats what it say in my manual.