VE SS Cop Car... my lil story...

[VESS007]

Well I found out an interesting fact about my 07 VE SS, I am looking around at getting a new car and when I got a price on my VE the Dealer was an x-holden salesman and looked up my Vin #...

Well what he found was that my car was built but never used for the Vic Police, it was surpluss to their needs and by pure fluke because the dealer I bought from just got in in stock out the back the car was assigned to me.

BUT this is where it gets interesting the guy that valued it said that my car actually had a higher differ ratio to other normal VE SS 6spds and that it also had slightly lower springs and a higher octane tune on the ECU...

Can anyone confirm they build them like this? I thought Cop Spec V8s were a thing of the past.

Best thing about it? the book value was 25K but a wholesaler wanted my exact spec car being an ex-cop car privately and the Dealer called me up the next day an increased the trade in to 28K! I thought id only get 30K private as it is not in the best condition...

So are they BS'n me or not?

[Tre-Cool]

get underneith and look at the diff. it'll have a sticker on it. telling you ratio.

quickest way to find out.

[VXSS346]

Well I found out an interesting fact about my 07 VE SS, I am looking around at getting a new car and when I got a price on my VE the Dealer was an x-holden salesman and looked up my Vin #...

Well what he found was that my car was built but never used for the Vic Police, it was surpluss to their needs and by pure fluke because the dealer I bought from just got in in stock out the back the car was assigned to me.

BUT this is where it gets interesting the guy that valued it said that my car actually had a higher differ ratio to other normal VE SS 6spds and that it also had slightly lower springs and a higher octane tune on the ECU...

Can anyone confirm they build them like this? I thought Cop Spec V8s were a thing of the past.

Best thing about it? the book value was 25K but a wholesaler wanted my exact spec car being an ex-cop car privately and the Dealer called me up the next day an increased the trade in to 28K! I thought id only get 30K private as it is not in the best condition...

So are they BS'n me or not?

Dunno if this helps but:

My VX is also a Police pack but was never owned by the police, like yours it was surplus stock when I bought it.

But mine was most definately a stock car mechanically.

I'd say its stock. In the end, dont believe a car salesman :D

Cheers :)

[swingtan]

VESS007,

If you want to drop round, I'll pull your tune and see if there is anything "special" about it for you. My understanding is that there were not "factory" performance tunes.

Simon.

[macca33]

I'm sure the dealer said it was 'special' - he is, after all, trying to sell a car and make money. :confused:


cheers

[Rub]

then they will slap 15k on the trade in price and sell it to someone.. good times..

[ADAM 26]

my mate works for holden, they service alto of cop cars, he said they are all bog stock!

the non ss`s tho, have fe2 spec suspension, wider rims (silver interceptors).

engine and tune wise they are stock.

also was confirmed by a cop mate of mine who is a tmu. he said they have always been stock, the only ones ever 'chiped' or 'tuned' were the vlt bt1 hwy patrol cars.

there a good car to buy tho, they are always serviced, and if they ever have a high speed persuit they get new tyres, and brakes straight away, and are checked over!

[255-LS1]

suspension must be different, they site lower for sure than run of the mill SS's, the VY VZ pursuit ones looked dumped in comparision, thats in vic

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/51/169480660_fcd228421b.jpg

[duke5700]

also was confirmed by a cop mate of mine who is a tmu. he said they have always been stock, the only ones ever 'chiped' or 'tuned' were the vlt bt1 hwy patrol cars.

The only cop chip in a BT1 is a macca's french fry that fell down the back of the seat.

[255-LS1]

theres also a VE SS marked sedan around eltham diamond creek area that has SSV tail lights :confused: but it is defanitly only an SS

[Red Beard]

suspension must be different, they site lower for sure than run of the mill SS's, the VY VZ pursuit ones looked dumped in comparision, thats in vic

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/51/169480660_fcd228421b.jpg

The reason they look "dumped" is that they are carrying a lot of extra kit that most people don't carry in their personal vehicles, it does make them look good though.

I used to have an old VR BT1 pack ex-chaser, when I had it serviced I was told that the chip in it wasn't standard, and if I ever blew the computer I would have to replace it with a stock unit. It also went much harder than standard, a guy in a VS SS with full sports exhaust and extractors found this out. He couldn't catch me no matter how hard he pushed, on a private road of course.

[duke5700]

The reason they look "dumped" is that they are carrying a lot of extra kit that most people don't carry in their personal vehicles, it does make them look good though.

I used to have an old VR BT1 pack ex-chaser, when I had it serviced I was told that the chip in it wasn't standard, and if I ever blew the computer I would have to replace it with a stock unit. It also went much harder than standard, a guy in a VS SS with full sports exhaust and extractors found this out. He couldn't catch me no matter how hard he pushed, on a private road of course.

Of course you did. :confused:

[SHANESVZSS]

theres also a VE SS marked sedan around eltham diamond creek area that has SSV tail lights :confused: but it is defanitly only an SS


same here! in wetherill park theres a white ss potrol car with SS-V tail lights.

[Road Warrior]

As said, cop cars look more dumped than FE2 standard because of all the kit they carry both in the cabin and in the boot. I saw a VE V6 cop car this morning and there was a fairly noticeable squat in the bum.

Cop cars don't have some sort of fully sick or extra special ECU tune from the factory - the only reason they go harder than a 'normal' V8 is because they've been thrashed from brand new :burnout:

I had an ex pursuit VT LS1, with full Police kit but that kit consisted of nothing more than the standard 9C1 package but it went like a scalded cat straight out of the box - bog stock right down to the wheel nuts it managed a 14.3 quarter. Not bad for an early LS1 back in 2001...

EDIT: aaand that was something else I was going to mention. I remember seeing at City Motors Holden some years ago (when VX's were new) a full police spec VX V6 Exec that was surplus to requirements...dark metallic green, 9C1 pack, the lot. So it does happen, you just gotta be lucky I guess.

For memory they were asking $32,990 for it...

[HRT 8]

Bog Stock. How many times has it been said???


No diff ratio change,, no high octane fuel tune nothing except the obligitory pad change, extra battery and wiring.

Ive pulled the tune from every TOG car thats come thru the local office. ALL stock. Hell the fuel card will not make payment for fuel other than normal unleaded. Trust me.

[duke5700]

Bog Stock. How many times has it been said???


No diff ratio change,, no high octane fuel tune nothing except the obligitory pad change, extra battery and wiring.

Ive pulled the tune from every TOG car thats come thru the local office. ALL stock. Hell the fuel card will not make payment for fuel other than normal unleaded. Trust me.


Oh but come on bro, my hecktic cousin said his BT1 was full cop spec and was fully hektic like. It was a V6 but it smashed even gen3's easy as.

[VESS007]

I find it really amusing! I have read MANY times on here that there is no difference BUT when I went to get a trade in price I was shocked at what this guy said..... & to offer me that price trade in was amazing! the car has wrecked wheels 20's all chipped and rashed unroadworthy tyres on the front and only JUST roadworthy ones on the back also has a dent in the roof(dont know how that happened) and the rear bumped has been whacked into needs replacing/repainting as well as the spoiler being scratched. Not to mention the interior which has heaps of straches all over it! I really love the car and just thrashed its guts out and never really looked after it!

I got basically $2000 for the original 20s this week and now will get 28K trade in! I never thought i'd get basically $30K for this car even privately! amazing.

But like you all say maybe just a scam to get me to buy their new car, but no matter im going to be screwing the sht outta the new car price as well no matter what the trade in is.... This isn't at a Holden dealer either... im sick of paying $100 a tank on petrol and getting 19lt/100km....

[CSP]

The 9C1 Police Pack (VT - VZ Commodores) used to get a few differences than a standard model.


All 9C1 pack Commodores have the following above what is on standard Commodores: ABS, FE2 Sports Suspension, LSD, 15" x 7" rims, 225 x 60 R15 tyres, Passenger's Airbag, Sump protector plate, additional Wiring Loom (supplying power for lights siren etc.), modified Transmission Gate (can manually select 2nd gear in auto box without depressing top of gear stick), Interior Dome Light with Incorporated Map Reading lights (as per Calais), Interior Lights Isolation Switch (isolates glovebox light, boot and interior dome and map reading lights), Front brake pads are Bendix Ultimate, Rear Brake Pads are standard "Akibono" made by PBR. A larger higher capacity battery with 450 CCA and 115 min RC. The Speedo has 2 km/h increments marked. Any VT/VX/VY Commodore can have the "Police Mode" digital speed indication feature enabled under the Speedo dial with Tech 2 at a dealership. Takes about 3 minutes. In doing this, the vehicle looses the Speed Alert feature.
9C1 gets 2 horns, the standard 400hz horn plus a more powerful 450hz horn.

The following features are service and state specific variations fitted on request only:
Fuel tank protector plate,
Electric Windows (ordered on some V6 Qld Police Sedans),
Side Airbags (NSW Police now include these as mandatory).
Cruise Control
**Holden strongly recommends against the 9C1 Executive V8 due to the mismatch of engine power and 15 x 7 rims with 225 x 60 R15 tyres.

Victoria, SA and NSW Police only use 9C1 V8 option on Commodore SS Sedan. (Victoria Police also use 9C1 V8 option on Commodore SS Ute). Queensland Police use 9C1 V8 Option with Commodore SS and persist on demanding availability in Executive V8. SA use 9C1 pack on Executives, sometimes optioning the Country Pack Suspension (which is FE2 with higher ground clearance.) On SA Acclaims FE2 is not used. Vic occasionally order Acclaims with FE2. Vic also orders Berlinas in small numbers both V8 & V6.

In addition to the above, the basic 9C1 V6 Sedan & Wagon is also used by Non Police Govt Departments:
CFA (Country Fire Authority) Vic. - Not all are 9C1
MFB (Metropolitan Fire Brigade) Vic. - All are 9C1
MAS (Metropolitan Ambulance Service) Vic. All MICA (Mobile Intensive Care Ambulance) and CSO (Clinical Support Officer) cars are 9C1. General Transport cars are not 9C1.
NSWFB (New South Wales Rural Brigades) NSW
RAV (Rural Ambulance Service) Vic.
SES (State Emergency Service) Vic.

Australian Protective Service (APS) and Federal Police (AFP) order both V6 9C1 and V8 9C1 SS Sedans. Curiously, AFP SS Sedans have the bootlid spoiler removed, but are otherwise the same as a Vic Police 9C1 SS.

Not sure if things changed with the VE though...

[Curtis-R]

same here! in wetherill park theres a white ss potrol car with SS-V tail lights.


Thats because the current SS models come standard with them now.. or at least from what ive seen..

I thought they pretty much only put bigger rubber, a different compound brake pad and thats about it..


im sick of paying $100 a tank on petrol and getting 19lt/100km....

something seriously wrong here if ur getting 19lt/100

[Road Warrior]

The 9C1 Police Pack (VT - VZ Commodores) used to get a few differences than a standard model.



Not sure if things changed with the VE though...

I think the only thing that changed with the VE is the lack of a V8 option on the Exec/Omega...unfortunately...

[VESS007]

something seriously wrong here if ur getting 19lt/100

I don't think so my old combined always used to hover 13lt but now I live in the city and dont do much hwy driving at all, 18-19 is standard these days!

[swingtan]

19's is about average if all you do is drive the car 5 min to the station and back. the car will hardly get out of it's warm-up settings in 5 min so will be running a tad rich. Average speed is also probably fairly low.

[VESS007]

yup true, avg speed between im getting these days is 25-30kph when I get 13lt/100 avg speed is 40+kph

But partly the reason why im looking at something smaller and that will use half the petrol, I bought the SS 2years ago when I would commute FWY 45mins into the city now I live 5min drive from work in central Melb and want something smaller, fuel effecient and auto! I'll buy a 2nd older play car to thrash on weekends and take to the track :)

[michaels1v8]

Fuel consumption sounds about right.

I average 18lt/100km (not sure of average speed) but most the time the highest speed limit I see is 70km (about 2 mins at 70) and only ever for 5mins (unless Im going for a cruise around town).

I run exhaust, otr and mail order mafless.

You probably also find that your exhaust is fairly black from the car being rich in start up mode for most of your driving. My tips are always filthy.

Have you got under the car to check the diff? I doubt you have any changes sorry mate. At least you have been offered a great trade in :)

What you planning on getting?

Cheers

Michael

[VESS007]

haha yeah the tips are black as black! The car is so low I dont know if I can get under it? plus its wet outside not crawling under the back of it now :)

I plan to get something like a Golf as a run about and maybe a 6-10K old V8 or Turbo to play with on weekends :D

[fastestls7]

the current MY09 SS come standard wiyth SSV lights
theres also a VE SS marked sedan around eltham diamond creek area that has SSV tail lights :confused: but it is defanitly only an SS

[CrazyLS1_85]

My VX SS II is an ex police car, i didnt realize this until i put it on the hoist and saw the sump protector plate. The suspension is standard though as when i lowered the car further the part numbers were normal FE2. They have slightly larger brake pads, but anyone can fit those on a standard executive as it just fills the caliper out more.

One thing i have been told is that the ECU has been tampered with as they have leaned it out to get more power, this is before MAF tunes were around i think.

[michaels1v8]

haha yeah the tips are black as black! The car is so low I dont know if I can get under it? plus its wet outside not crawling under the back of it now :)

I plan to get something like a Golf as a run about and maybe a 6-10K old V8 or Turbo to play with on weekends :D

Haha fair enough mate :) Nothing but sunshine and stillness here :D The ocean was a dream this morning

Yeah its a pain polishing them all the time. . . Labour of love :jester: actually just polished them this morning and am waiting for the wax to set on her right now!

Sounds like a good plan on the golf. Nice little car they are.

But a nice cruiser for the weekends is a must though:thumbsup:

[VX2VESS]

The reason they look "dumped" is that they are carrying a lot of extra kit that most people don't carry in their personal vehicles, it does make them look good though.

I used to have an old VR BT1 pack ex-chaser, when I had it serviced I was told that the chip in it wasn't standard, and if I ever blew the computer I would have to replace it with a stock unit. It also went much harder than standard, a guy in a VS SS with full sports exhaust and extractors found this out. He couldn't catch me no matter how hard he pushed, on a private road of course.

and donuts

[SHANESVZSS]

i have a ex hwy patrol car , and the only difference between mine and my brothers (he has a vz ss also NOT ex cop car) is the slotted brakes oh and mine had a few more k's on the clock. mine certainly wasnt any faster.

[Boom]

My VX SS II is an ex police car, i didnt realize this until i put it on the hoist and saw the sump protector plate. The suspension is standard though as when i lowered the car further the part numbers were normal FE2. They have slightly larger brake pads, but anyone can fit those on a standard executive as it just fills the caliper out more.

One thing i have been told is that the ECU has been tampered with as they have leaned it out to get more power, this is before MAF tunes were around i think.

Ive got some nice property I can sell you.

[Mr. LS1]

The only cop chip in a BT1 is a macca's french fry that fell down the back of the seat.

best comment by far :bravo:

[Jarhead]

There are "special" cars out there - trust me.

There are some VE SS cars made for Government security work that are not stock. They are stock tune but suspension and brakes are upgraded. They don't have a bootlid spoiler and the alternators are heavy duty. The comms radio equipment runs on a different power supply.

At a driver training camp I did at mount cotton a couple of years ago, the instructor said all the engine tunes for Police and Govt. cars are 100% bog stock.

Did someone say urban legend?

[duke5700]

Whats the go with the boot lid spoiler? to stop pedestrians catching on it as they go over the roof?

[whitels1ss]

but a wholesaler wanted my exact spec car being an ex-cop car privately and the Dealer called me up the next day an increased the trade in to 28K!
So are they BS'n me or not?

That is one of the oldest tricks in the car salesmans' manual, tell you that he has an oportunity that will not last to give you more money than he gave you before and create an urgency for you to come back and buy from him now!

Yes they are BS'n you! :bsmeter:

[HSVGTS215i]

I think the whole "new pads and tyres after every pursuit" is also a myth. I work at a Holden dealer servicing Police cars both marked and unmarked and the only time they get new tyres and pads is when the current ones are low.

Cant see a cop car getting a new set of tyres, going on a pursuit that night then back in the morning for new tyres again, same with pads. Sounds like a lot of bollocks to me hahaha

[macca33]

The only cop chip in a BT1 is a macca's french fry that fell down the back of the seat.


That is utter BS mate.......


































Coppers prefer the Colonel's potato slithers!!! :lol:

[fx160]

i had an ex cop car back in the vl days it was a v8
it had the sump protector and a fuel tank protector
i kept both of them when i traded it for a vn
i also found a piece of cardboard folded and wired to the sump
that gave special instructions for tuning
i did keep it but have since misplaced it due to too many moves
in 100% stock as it came it ran 15.8 on the 1/4
at the time in wheels the vl v8's ran 16.3
the cop cars did not have air con or power steer though

kev

[Road Warrior]

i also found a piece of cardboard folded and wired to the sump
that gave special instructions for tuning


Interesting find that. But you'd sure as hell need it with a VL 5L. 122kw from factory :bawl:

[fx160]

Interesting find that. But you'd sure as hell need it with a VL 5L. 122kw from factory :bawl:
and sucked the juice too
430 k's was the best i got from the 63 litre tank and that was on the highway
and once only
the vn i bought did 15.3 stock (auto wagon) and got a best of 630 k's to a 68 litre tank

kev

[seldo]

Well I found out an interesting fact about my 07 VE SS, I am looking around at getting a new car and when I got a price on my VE the Dealer was an x-holden salesman and looked up my Vin #...

Well what he found was that my car was built but never used for the Vic Police, it was surpluss to their needs and by pure fluke because the dealer I bought from just got in in stock out the back the car was assigned to me.

BUT this is where it gets interesting the guy that valued it said that my car actually had a higher differ ratio to other normal VE SS 6spds and that it also had slightly lower springs and a higher octane tune on the ECU...

Can anyone confirm they build them like this? I thought Cop Spec V8s were a thing of the past.

Best thing about it? the book value was 25K but a wholesaler wanted my exact spec car being an ex-cop car privately and the Dealer called me up the next day an increased the trade in to 28K! I thought id only get 30K private as it is not in the best condition...

So are they BS'n me or not?
Psst! Want to buy a cheap bridge - shaped a bit like a big coat-hanger....;)

[CrazyLS1_85]

Ive got some nice property I can sell you.

What you got for me there BOOM?

[CLUBRED]

The Federal Police HQ in Brisbane is around the corner from work, some of the cars parked out the back are definately not stock - in terms of brakes and suspension anyways. Also, they get away with black out windows, pretty darn obvious to spot them on the road.

[Boom]

What you got for me there BOOM?

Prime bit of real estate in the middle of Canberra.
Go have a look at it, cant miss it. Big Flag in the centre.
PM me for more details.

[TUFFIE]

Mods... why is this thread still going???? I though the fishing season was over.:smilesandbanana:

[HRT 8]

Mods... why is this thread still going???? I though the fishing season was over.:smilesandbanana:

Not sure about the other mods but Im on R/L Tuffie and need something to amuse me. At least till I take off fishing.

[VESS007]

Mods... why is this thread still going???? I though the fishing season was over.:smilesandbanana:

dont like it move on... some of you regulars sure a boring old bunch of nags...

[macca_779]

:rofl: Says the guy whos been here 2 min.. Get some time up.

[Lofty]

:rofl: Says the guy whos been here 2 min.. Get some time up.

:rofl: you been told mate.

[mangusta]

Thought I'd post, can't stop staring at Lofty's avatar..................

[MTC]

Thought I'd post, can't stop staring at Lofty's avatar..................
Yeah He has a half decent chest for a bloke hey:eyes: but the face thats another story:spew: :lmao::lmao:

[gmeup]

All cop cars are stockies i have owned about 5 of them but not my current car. And yes Fe2 looks lower cause of the all crap they load the cars with, usually always a full tank of fuel on board too. Plus the vt-vz use to get hammered all the time and the suspension would squat hard the irs over time would sag as the stock springs/shocks wear out fast the way the coppers drive them.

[Lofty]

they look great but are a bit hairy.

[RUN41T]

I think the whole "new pads and tyres after every pursuit" is also a myth. I work at a Holden dealer servicing Police cars both marked and unmarked and the only time they get new tyres and pads is when the current ones are low.

Cant see a cop car getting a new set of tyres, going on a pursuit that night then back in the morning for new tyres again, same with pads. Sounds like a lot of bollocks to me hahaha

Yeah mate total BS, My neighbor works at the local cop shop as the Highway patrol coordinator, He is in charge of everything from deployment, operations and also vehicle maintenance. They are factory cars with a dual battery setup to help run the on board electronics, apart from that bog stokers.

Garrett

[planetdavo]

I find it really amusing! I have read MANY times on here that there is no difference BUT when I went to get a trade in price I was shocked at what this guy said..... & to offer me that price trade in was amazing!....
As long as a percentage of the population believe they have more of the "good sh!t" in them, the potential for this to occur is likely!
Everyone else knows they are usually buying a basically stock flogged out ex cop car though...:)


Yeah He has a half decent chest for a bloke hey:eyes: but the face thats another story:spew: :lmao::lmao:
Lofty's alter ego "Kate" has been exposed, when he (she's) not logged onto the blue screen...:hide: