View Full Version : VE SS vs. SS-V
VXXXSS
10-03-2009, 01:03 PM
Guys,
Toying with the idea of an upgrade to a VE sometime in the near future. I am after some thoughts and opinions on SS vs SSV. Obvsiously SS is a bit cheaper option, but SSV gets you more 'stuff'. Is the extra cost for leather and 19" wheels (ok and the in-dash screen with dual zone etc) worth it??
For me, I am not sure I want to go the leather route which would rule out an SSV (and SOME SS). But having said that, im usually the kind of person who has to have the highest spec of things i buy.
I guess I am after some ppls ideas etc on weather the things like the dual zone climate control, 19s, leather etc etc are worth the extra cost to them and why?? At the moment im seeing (for early model VE 06-07) at least a 5K difference (from cheapest SS to cheapest SSV) in price.
Thanks for your replies.
Chris.
GODSMACK
10-03-2009, 01:13 PM
I thought it should come dow to what YOU want.. Do you want leather, do you want DZCC, 19's? Just because one may say its not worth it doesnt mean he/she is right, or vice versa...
I bought the SS over the SSV because i had a car previously with leather and DZCC etc, and it didnt make my driving experience any more pleasant. I havent looked back since...
Personal choice buddy!
JaMeS_2007
10-03-2009, 01:25 PM
there is also the diffrent rear tail light on the ssv with the darker parts. but u can always change that.
GODSMACK
10-03-2009, 01:27 PM
there is also the diffrent rear tail light on the ssv with the darker parts. but u can always change that.
I forgot that, and also different headlights...
Again, ive never had issues with mine, they do the job nicely.
VXXXSS
10-03-2009, 01:31 PM
thanks guys, whats the difference in the headlights?? i dont think i have noticed this before......
GODSMACK
10-03-2009, 01:55 PM
thanks guys, whats the difference in the headlights?? i dont think i have noticed this before...... Im pretty sure the SSV's have projector headlights..
EXCESSV
10-03-2009, 02:05 PM
thanks guys, whats the difference in the headlights?? i dont think i have noticed this before......SSV has projector headlights.
difference between the two from memory is that SSV has:
Leather
19s
DZ CC
projector headlights - very much worth it! especially with HIDs
rear black tailights
in dash screen - can use for DVD, sat nav, etc etc
alloy faced pedals
more airbags due to the fact the leather seats
a red V badge :lol:
premium sound system
all comes down to personal preference at the end of the day
255-LS1
10-03-2009, 02:06 PM
yep SSV projectors,
i much prefer the centre console of the SSV with big screen dual zone etc SS just looks cheap and tacky IMO may aswell go all out make have no regrets then (except that you did your balls on a SSV :lol:) nah seriously SSV FTW :goodjob:
or e-series R8..... :hide:
VXXXSS
10-03-2009, 02:16 PM
i much prefer the centre console of the SSV with big screen dual zone etc SS just looks cheap and tacky
i agree with that 100%
255-LS1
10-03-2009, 02:20 PM
think your decision is made then mate!
Hi Octane
10-03-2009, 02:22 PM
SSv's still only have 2 airbags. No seat bags.
255-LS1
10-03-2009, 02:32 PM
SSv's still only have 2 airbags. No seat bags.
hmmmm
http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/2006_VE_Commodore_range_features.pdf
Hi Octane
10-03-2009, 02:43 PM
hmmmm
http://www.caradvice.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/2006_VE_Commodore_range_features.pdf
My bad, Im always thinking of utes.
VEbudSS
10-03-2009, 02:53 PM
if i could afford it i would have gone an SSV but im happy with my SS. The only thing i would want is the indash screen. Lights and rims can be upgraded easy.
You also have to take into account resale value, i think the SSV will hold its value better down the track.
VESS-VWagon
10-03-2009, 03:38 PM
Like everybody is saying, it's all personal choice.
For me though, I sat in the SS and thought to myself 'tacky', pretty much straight away. The SS-V was an easy choice even though there was 5 grand difference.
Didn't want the 19s, I told them they could have delivered the thing with 15s for all I cared and taken the money off the price tag.... needless to say, they didn't.
Love the DZCC and the leather.
Marco
10-03-2009, 03:44 PM
I went through this when I bought mine and decided SS with the leather option was the way to go - the SS looks pox with the cloth trim IMHO but the leather makes a lot of difference.
I didn't care for the 19" alloys or the projector headlights etc and I don't like climate control, so for me it came down to whether I wanted to spend another $4500 for a nicer looking centre console and better sound system.
I decided that I didn't...and now that I'm a family man, I can't have the sound cranked too loud anyway so I think it was a good call :)
VXXXSS
10-03-2009, 04:10 PM
yeah i guess realistically i would prefer an SS-V. the leather i can deal with, but all the other differences that the SS-V has over the SS are attractive.
depends how desperate I get to upgrade haha if i can hold off a little longer I guess I can afford to go the SSV. they do seem 'that bit nicer'.
but i guess there is that option to 'settle' for an SS. would i regret it in the long run?? maybe.
Had the SS for a while now and no regrets.
Chose SS over SSV. Could have had either.
Didnt want leather.
Climate Control not an issue as 99.9% of the time its just me in car.
Dont mind the SS sound system. Good enough for me.
Wouldnt have minded projector lights.
$5k for a sound system and headlights? Nah.
Wonky
10-03-2009, 07:27 PM
See also Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=77313)
For me definitely SSV! I love the leather and dual zone climate control even though I'm usually by myself in it - just set the temp and forget it. The SSV interior with the big screen looks so much nicer (IMHO) and the projector headlights are much better for those looking to go HID headlights. (Apparently around $1,200 to buy if you want to upgrade to projectors I have heard, so not a cheap upgrade! :shock:)
VXXXSS
10-03-2009, 07:43 PM
thanks for the link, exactly what i had been lookin for!!
Chris.
BLACKVE
10-03-2009, 08:10 PM
Personal choice i've bought 2 VE SS's new and went that way due to bank for buck equation i've got a cammed SS with otr and full exhaust for price of SSV
PLUS no leather:goodjob: hate holdens cheap leather as i type this on my nice comfy leather lounge
Resale in future i think SSV will be worse off(seen one here for $34000 with 40000km's)
Djbarnstar
10-03-2009, 08:30 PM
I went with the SS with leather. At the time I could not justify the extra 7K (in 06') for the extra gear.
Biggest downside of the V for me was the expense of the 19 inch tyres. It sees the circuit and I did not want to be shelling out for 19's all the time.
BUT if I had my time over I would get the V for the stereo (just upgraded mine) and the lights look the biz, and negotiate hard on the price.
Oh well live and learn... and its just as fast!
SV346
10-03-2009, 10:08 PM
id be happy with my ssv if holdens new seats didnt majorly suck, i loved the seats in my vy sv8, but these new ones are f.....g pathetic for a 50k UTE!
Wonky
10-03-2009, 11:21 PM
id be happy with my ssv if holdens new seats didnt majorly suck, i loved the seats in my vy sv8, but these new ones are f.....g pathetic for a 50k UTE!
I've had a VY SV8 and thought the seats were very ordinary - basically just Exec seats - no support. Would much prefer the SSV seats even though the side bolsters aren't as big as in my VZ SS.
pelagonia_ss
10-03-2009, 11:31 PM
VE SS is quicker than SSV according to Motor and Wheels..
Wonky
10-03-2009, 11:35 PM
VE SS is quicker than SSV according to Motor and Wheels..
Should be fractionally quicker as weighs slightly less but if you were to randomly line up 5 of each direct from the factory you'd probably find due to differences between individual cars that the SS would be quickest in 3 cases and the SSV in 2. Stuff all difference really.
pelagonia_ss
11-03-2009, 12:02 AM
Still, If I were buying I'd go the SSV simply coz of the leather and media screen. Who cares bout the wheels I know ill change them anyway!
Wonky
11-03-2009, 12:29 AM
Still, If I were buying I'd go the SSV simply coz of the leather and media screen. Who cares bout the wheels I know ill change them anyway!
Yep, same as I did with the SSV sedan, I've already got new rims and tyres organised for the ute so when I pick it up it will be driven straight from the dealer to Black Diamond's tyre store to get them put on and hopefully he will have time to lower it too. Anybody after some virtually brand new (probably 20km on them) SSV rims and tyres? :)
255-LS1
11-03-2009, 04:17 AM
yes wheels, my mate bought his SSV ute new, got holden to change to 22s in the yard, paid cash difference between 19s and 22s. MMMMM Man thats a nice ute.
701let
11-03-2009, 11:40 AM
mate i bought the SSV mostly for the interior ie. centre console leather, steering wheel, gauges, etc. I think the centre console on the SS just looks cheap and shitty and i knew that I would hate looking at it every time i sat in it.. the wheels are a bonus as are the front and rear lights...
Just my opinion though, alot of people prob wouldnt care about the interior..
VXXXSS
11-03-2009, 12:43 PM
is the factory headunit replaceable with an aftermarket one??? ..on a standard SS not SSV....
Chris.
JaMeS_2007
11-03-2009, 01:46 PM
mate i bought the SSV mostly for the interior ie. centre console leather, steering wheel, gauges, etc. I think the centre console on the SS just looks cheap and shitty and i knew that I would hate looking at it every time i sat in it.. the wheels are a bonus as are the front and rear lights...
Just my opinion though, alot of people prob wouldnt care about the interior..
i also got the SSv over the SS cause of the stereo.. i couldnt bare looking at something i didnt like everytime i got in the car
ATOMICSS
11-03-2009, 01:59 PM
See also http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=77313
projector headlights are much better for those looking to go HID headlights. (Apparently around $1,200 to buy if you want to upgrade to projectors I have heard, so not a cheap upgrade! :shock:)
I bought the plain SS ute, bought SSV projector headlights $290 ea from Holmart (sold the originals for 180ea) also bought 4 New SSV rimes tyres plus mini spare for $1904, and sold the 5 SS rimes/tyres ith 50km on them for $2000. Bought a V badge frm my local dealer for $17.
So for a total outlay of under $200 my ute looks IDENTICAL to an SSV from the outside. Plus I prefer the cloth seats, and basic HVAC/radio is apparently more reiable than the Hollywood SSV units.
Admittedly though the sedan costs more to convert. Also remembr it costs Holden a couple of hundred max more to make an SSV than an SS. Which makes the SS better value.
But its personal choice really, and obviously alot of people seethe extra $6k value in the SSV as they are a bigger seller.
GODSMACK
11-03-2009, 02:08 PM
i also got the SSv over the SS cause of the stereo.. i couldnt bare looking at something i didnt like everytime i got in the car
Some people have that problem everytime they come home and are greeted by the Mrs.... :jester:
Wonky
11-03-2009, 06:12 PM
I bought the plain SS ute, bought SSV projector headlights $290 ea from Holmart (sold the originals for 180ea).
:goodjob:
Also remembr it costs Holden a couple of hundred max more to make an SSV than an SS. Which makes the SS better value.
Where did you get that info from?
tyrhantc
11-03-2009, 07:41 PM
At first I thought I would go the SS because of the price difference but after thinking about it for a couple of days I knew that everytime I got into the SS I would be looking at the cheaper looking interior and would have a quiet little tanty. As others have said the wqheels didnt bother m because they were changed before it came out of the yard. I ended up getting a low K demo SSV for less $'s then the new SS. Now that I've put 10k on it I wouldnt even notice the demo k's.
gmeup
11-03-2009, 07:58 PM
I bought the plain SS ute, bought SSV projector headlights $290 ea from Holmart (sold the originals for 180ea) also bought 4 New SSV rimes tyres plus mini spare for $1904, and sold the 5 SS rimes/tyres ith 50km on them for $2000. Bought a V badge frm my local dealer for $17.
So for a total outlay of under $200 my ute looks IDENTICAL to an SSV from the outside. Plus I prefer the cloth seats, and basic HVAC/radio is apparently more reiable than the Hollywood SSV units.
Admittedly though the sedan costs more to convert. Also remembr it costs Holden a couple of hundred max more to make an SSV than an SS. Which makes the SS better value.
But its personal choice really, and obviously alot of people seethe extra $6k value in the SSV as they are a bigger seller.
not bad but remember the sedan ssv get standard front and rear pillars with airbags that the ss doesnt. Important imo and you cant really convert an ss to put those in. I personally like the extras the ssv has but everyone is different.
i can only comment on ute ;
i looked at SS ute vs SSV ute ...
The differences are basically rims (standard SS rims , save as SV6 and ugly as hell IMHO) ... climate control and nice looking audio system, and better headlights (well im not sure if theyre better, but theyre more high tech)
Personally, i wanted different rims (supersport 19's), leather, rollbar and a nice chunky sports steering wheel ... and had to wait for mine to built anyway so went that route.
As to the climate control aspect, couldnt care less (its a ute) ... so really it came down to whether i had a really nice audio control panel and the more high tech headlights ... which when it came down to the several thousand $$$ difference ... just wasnt worth it (plus first thing i did is put amps, subs, splits into it ... and my car audio dude said avoid the SSV deck as its a nightmare if you want to customise ... though i dont really understand that issue.)
i.e i optioned the leather ( think theyre different to SS-V leather tho), rollbar, mags, steering wheel ... and the cost difference was probably around 1/4 i think.
The hightech headlights and flash audio definately looks pretty good, but not enough to put more coin into ... for me.
ps, ... get a kick ass stereo system installed in place of the SSV system for still way cheaper ... my mate has done this and its unreal, builtin gps, hdtv / dvd, phone / ipod control etc etc. I think its a kenwood.
zapher007
11-03-2009, 08:27 PM
I'd love to swap my leather seats for cloth. They are showing huge amounts of wear already and it's only a few months old. i ALWAYS try and hop in as best as i can without touching the side, I apply Zano leather protector every month and i'm skinny so not a fat biatch getting in and out.
But I wanted the SS-V for the climate and media screen.
EXCESSV
12-03-2009, 01:21 AM
and my car audio dude said avoid the SSV deck as its a nightmare if you want to customise ... though i dont really understand that issue.)time to get a different audio guy then! :lol:
VXXXSS
12-03-2009, 06:33 AM
I'd love to swap my leather seats for cloth. They are showing huge amounts of wear already and it's only a few months old.
that has always been my concern with leather. aside from the ongoing maintaining you have to do, most used cars i see with leather, the seats are trashed. side bolsters are cracked/damaged/ripped/torn etc and usually the leather is cracked and not looked after. that is something that woudl sway me to cloth in an ss. HOWEVER, having said that, leather if looked after carefully and maintained properly i wouldnt mind.
the other thing is, im still unsure if you replace the stock headunit in an SS ??
chook
12-03-2009, 03:01 PM
Mate Opinions are like a...holes, everybodies got one.
You Choose what you want and feel happy with your decision. End of Story.
VXXXSS
12-03-2009, 03:07 PM
that is true!!
the other thing i was thnking about before is, any car i buy wether i just get an SS or spend that bit extra (which will push the budget) and get an SSV is that I have to factor in mods whichever way i go.
lowering...exhaust...cai etc etc all cost $$$ on top of the purchase. if i am lucky something will come with at least one of those already, but its something i have to consider. driving a stock car is not an option :P wether its an SS or an SSV!!
Chris.
EXCESSV
12-03-2009, 03:28 PM
the other thing is, im still unsure if you replace the stock headunit in an SS ??what r u unsure about it?
u cant really replace it.
u just basically dont use it and divert all ur speakers etc from it to an aftermarket headunit that u mount somewhere.
they are all integrated so a replace/swap solution like previous models isnt possible exactly
VXXXSS
12-03-2009, 05:21 PM
i was unsure if it could be done because i dont recall someone discussing it when i asked it earlier in this thread. unless i missed it, sometime i tend to skim through replies if the boss is near by haha.
thanks for the info tho. something to take in to consideration.
EXCESSV
12-03-2009, 11:39 PM
if u wanna do something with the headunit there are three options.
1) run speakers, amps, subs, etc off the stock headunit
2) run speakers, amps, subs, etc off the stock headunit VIA audio processor
3) run speakers, amps, subs, etc off another aftermarket unit which gets very messy
i did number 2 :D
amckiwi
13-03-2009, 12:30 PM
09 Plate SSV's now come with Michelins rather than Bridgies
Also the badge on the back (ute) now says SSV the V is not a seperate badge stuck on
I scoped one out at the dealers Wednesday
Stu
VXXXSS
13-03-2009, 01:23 PM
the sedan also has the integrated SSV badge now rather than two seperate badges also. i noticed this at a dealer last weekend when looking at a MY09 voodoo SSV. looks MUCH better.
smoken2 thanks for your input.
Chris.
wog13
14-03-2009, 09:17 PM
Im not convinced that the SSV is the better choice, I p;icked up my SS with leather and alloy pedals from the dealer for now extra cost. I have since addded the SSV tail lights and completely changed suspension and added 22" rims. Why waste the extra cash?
Wonky
14-03-2009, 11:29 PM
Projector headlights for HIDs, decent screen, get more for the rims if you want to sell them to go aftermarket.
the sedan also has the integrated SSV badge now rather than two seperate badges also. i noticed this at a dealer last weekend when looking at a MY09 voodoo SSV. looks MUCH better.
smoken2 thanks for your input.
Chris.
Does anyone hve a picture of this? Im keen to see it, i will go to the dealer next week but dont have any camera to show the missus aswel. Thanks.
Wonky
02-04-2009, 12:21 PM
Does anyone hve a picture of this? Im keen to see it, i will go to the dealer next week but dont have any camera to show the missus aswel. Thanks.
See Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=115577)
See http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=115577
DOH! I had a photobucket cleanup this morning and the new SSV pic (in that thread) was one of the pics that got canned.
Oh - the photoshopped ones are what it looks like except the V is plain chrome.
mickeyVX350
02-04-2009, 01:29 PM
At the end of the day the choice essentially is...
SV8 or SS...
the new SS is simply an S pack with a V8, the SSV is a little luxo and higher spec.
steve_t
02-04-2009, 02:20 PM
09 Plate SSV's now come with Michelins rather than Bridgies
Stu
Hey Stu,
Did u see what Michelins they were running? Pilot Precedas?
Pilot Sports would be nice!! But not likely...
amckiwi
02-04-2009, 08:57 PM
Sorry did not look close mate
Wonky
02-04-2009, 10:55 PM
Hey Stu,
Did u see what Michelins they were running? Pilot Precedas?
Pilot Sports would be nice!! But not likely...
Pilot Sports!! :woohoo: A pic of one of mine about to go on eBay given I drove straight from the dealer to Black Diamond's tyre shop to put on some DTM Shines in 20" with Kumho Ecsta Spt tyres.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/Misc/SSVrimsandtyres5.jpg
If you look closely you can see Pilot Sport on them (Pilot is hard to see - $850 per tyre at the moment!).
NRD80Y
03-04-2009, 08:08 AM
What's the reason for the change from Bridgestone to Michelin? I thought the 19" Bridgestones were specifically made for the SS-V?
amckiwi
03-04-2009, 12:21 PM
It means there will be more another option to look at when replacing the tyres which must be a good thing
Stu
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