Tyre Pressure Monitoring System

[bonners]

Guys

Some will know that I had a problem on Saturday with getting my second puncture in recent times.

After some mucking around and discovering that a RE050A was going to cost me $850, I decided to investigate a the idea of a Tyre Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) - by the way I found by fluke a second hand Bridgy for $165.

Anyway, the system that used to be used in the HSV was a good bit of kit and you can still buy it but it is quite dear. It worked on the principal of a sensor 'strapped' to the inside of the wheel. The thing I like about this system is you can get a 52mm gauge for it that would fit in JK's pod or the sim. As I said though, it is dear and would probably be up close to $900. Probably still a good investment but still..........

So I investigated others. The other type of system you can get is where the sensor is in the valve. Has anyone had any experience with these types? I have found a couple of these types but they have terrible 'monitors' for the inside of the car. I wanted to find one that could somehow not look too far out of place. Most of them have been PDA size monitors but then I found this one

http://www.tyresave.co.uk/smartire.html

Now I have sent an email to a different company that sells them (UK also). The website above lists them at 275 quid but I found one place that did them for 165 quid and it was 13 quid for shipping. That would equate to about $450 I think shipped.

I have asked them to provide a shipped cost for a group buy for us if anyone else was interested.

It doesn't matter if nobody is just thought I would throw up the idea.

[Piffs]

Hell yeah I'm keen. I have been wondering what to put in the compartment under the stereo in the SSV n i think that would look sweet. If u could get a group price that would b cool.

[steve_t]

Does the strap system have a maximum speed rating? Or is it a massively strong one?

[CSP]

Can't you just get Holden to turn on the BUILT IN system with the Tech2? :confused:

It's in engineering mode already with the VE.

[bonners]

I didn't see any sensors or the like when the ripped the tyre off mine today. I am prepapred to be wrong. There was another thread that showed the dash of the G8 and the big window in the middle of the sluster showed the monitoring. Was cool but surely it needs some sort of sensors.

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=89635&highlight=tyre+monitoring+system

http://www.g8board.com/08G8/images/017b.jpg

[VXXXSS]

coincidentally i stumbled across this tonight on ebay....

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Tyre-Pressure-Monitoring-System_W0QQitemZ110361621200QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_ Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item110361621200&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Chris..

[Wonky]

Depending on what sort of price they ended up I may be interested in a group buy but I am not overly fussed as so far have not had a puncture in almost 30,000km on 20s (touch wood!!) and no longer run expensive Bridgies.

[CSP]

I didn't see any sensors or the like when the ripped the tyre off mine today. I am prepapred to be wrong. There was another thread that showed the dash of the G8 and the big window in the middle of the sluster showed the monitoring. Was cool but surely it needs some sort of sensors.

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=89635&highlight=tyre+monitoring+system

http://www.g8board.com/08G8/images/017b.jpg

Yeah I'm not sure...

I have seen pics of an Aussie Clubby R8 with that same window displayed. Doesn't mean it works. Would be nice if it did. If the feature's there, why not enable it? Or at least make it an option?!

[VXSS]

I called HSV today with regards to the original tyre pressure monitor in the VE GTS 40th, Senator etc etc to find out how easy it was to fit into my VE GTS, same thing stuffed a rear left briggy.

I got a call back this afternoon saying that all that was needed was the sensors and a tech 2 reprogramming upgrade.

He is going to verify everything for me and send me an e-mail hopefully soon.

I will let you know once I have the info.

Depends on what's involved and price i'd be interested in a group buy as well.

Most Holden dealers have contractors that install these and many other accessories but they are all aftermarket, I'll get a price on an aftermarket on as well.

I personally want the original one.

Cheers

John

Check this out boys our problems are over

RFT Run Flat Tyres

http://www.bridgestone.com.au/tyres/technologies/rft/default.aspx

Also tells you there are 2 types of TPMS available

[VX2VESS]

coincidentally i stumbled across this tonight on ebay....

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Tyre-Pressure-Monitoring-System_W0QQitemZ110361621200QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_ Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item110361621200&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A2|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318

Chris..

and incidentally i work right near them, i'll go check these out sure are cheap and seems to be a complete kit.

although its not a small gauge

[bonners]

I called HSV today with regards to the original tyre pressure monitor in the VE GTS 40th, Senator etc etc to find out how easy it was to fit into my VE GTS, same thing stuffed a rear left briggy.

I got a call back this afternoon saying that all that was needed was the sensors and a tech 2 reprogramming upgrade.

He is going to verify everything for me and send me an e-mail hopefully soon.

I will let you know once I have the info.

Depends on what's involved and price i'd be interested in a group buy as well.

Most Holden dealers have contractors that install these and many other accessories but they are all aftermarket, I'll get a price on an aftermarket on as well.

I personally want the original one.

Cheers

John

Check this out boys our problems are over

RFT Run Flat Tyres

http://www.bridgestone.com.au/tyres/technologies/rft/default.aspx

Also tells you there are 2 types of TPMS available

Well I would prefer the original also so please let us know.

[Alex(AUS)]

Well I would prefer the original also so please let us know.

* 2 ...

Alex

[VXSS]

* 2 ...

Alex

Mate if you have a E Series Senator going of your current ride then you already have it.

[EXCESSV]

Well I would prefer the original also so please let us know.me three :D

[Alex(AUS)]

Mate if you have a E Series Senator going of your current ride then you already have it.

I dont think there ever was a VE Senator (including SV08) with standard tyre pressure gauges. The only short wheelbase VE that has them is the 40th Anniversary GTS ... I would love to find out I have them ... but I doubt I do ... Even though Grange has the same wheels I bet HSV made sure I dont have the sensors / or software in mine ...

Alex

[steve_t]

Some progress! I'm also be keen to see how much holden charge for the sensors and reprogramming! :goodjob:
Aren't those run flats supposed to handle and ride quite poorly?

[bonners]

Here is the reply in relation to the aftermarket one

Thank you for contacting us regarding the tyresure tyre pressure monitoring systems and the possibility of purchasing 10 or 20 of these systems. Firstly in terms of suitability, these kits are not dependant on what vehicle you have however the only problem which may occur is whether the wheels on the V8 will accommodate the tyre valves which come with the systems. The valves are the size of standard car valves (in UK and presumably the same in Australia) if the V8 uses standard tyre valves, then you won’t have a problem. Some Porsche wheels won’t take these valves as the holes in the wheels are too small. If you are able to verify that the V8 wheels use standard car tyre valves (as UK vehicles ) then you won’t have a problem.



In relation to pricing, for sets of 10 or 20 would be £154.95 each (saving £10 per set). Shipping by courier to Australia would be £75.90 for 10. If you do want to consider 20 sets, then let me know as I will need to get a more accurate pricing for delivery.

[CSP]

Pfffft... No point with after market ones when the functionality is there on the VE. Just need the sensors and the Tech2 change.

[bonners]

Pfffft... No point with after market ones when the functionality is there on the VE. Just need the sensors and the Tech2 change.

Well I'll wait to see if you change your mind when Holden comes back and say it's going to cost $1000............

Was just offering......I would prefer the original but sometimes cost is an issue. Look at the reason that this thread started. Do you find it acceptable that Holden expects us to pay $850 for a replacement tyre......

[VX2VESS]

wonder if we can get 1,000 people, like to see the unit cost on these have to join up to see the cost.

http://www.made-in-china.com/showroom/yongshengelec/product-detailCtJneQEjqYZp/China-Tire-Pressure-Monitoring-System-Z001-.html

http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00nYEteaQFvgJrM/Tire-Pressure-Monitoring-System-Z001-.jpg


Or this one includes reverse parking smallish unit

http://www.alibaba.com/product-free/11881133/Wi_Gauge_Wireless_Tire_Pressure_Monitoring.html?pn =2&pt=2&total=2&cids=&tracelog=detailtop12907&newId=11881123#page960
http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11881133/Wi_Gauge_Wireless_Tire_Pressure_Monitoring_System. jpg

[CSP]

Do you find it acceptable that Holden expects us to pay $850 for a replacement tyre......

I'd be surprised if Holden have any expectations about what anyone pays for anything once the car is sold.

You're getting ripped off if you're paying $850 a tyre! Should be able to get two for that price, better than the OEM Bridgestones too...

[VXSS]

The guy I spoke to got back to me not via e-mail, anyway said all that is needed is the sensors in the tyres and for a Holden Dealer to download the software program from the web called tist to web, which basically downloads the software program to the Tech 2 device and then they reprogram your bcm to enable the dash

I got a quote on the sensors they are $130 each alone then what ever Holden will charge for the download.



I called HSV today with regards to the original tyre pressure monitor in the VE GTS 40th, Senator etc etc to find out how easy it was to fit into my VE GTS, same thing stuffed a rear left briggy.

I got a call back this afternoon saying that all that was needed was the sensors and a tech 2 reprogramming upgrade.

He is going to verify everything for me and send me an e-mail hopefully soon.

I will let you know once I have the info.

Depends on what's involved and price i'd be interested in a group buy as well.

Most Holden dealers have contractors that install these and many other accessories but they are all aftermarket, I'll get a price on an aftermarket on as well.

I personally want the original one.

Cheers

John

Check this out boys our problems are over

RFT Run Flat Tyres

http://www.bridgestone.com.au/tyres/technologies/rft/default.aspx

Also tells you there are 2 types of TPMS available

[bonners]

I'd be surprised if Holden have any expectations about what anyone pays for anything once the car is sold.

You're getting ripped off if you're paying $850 a tyre! Should be able to get two for that price, better than the OEM Bridgestones too...

The OEM tyre is $850. Didn't say I wanted to pay that but it is quite simply what the cost of the 20" RE050A is. Yes I could buy two for that price but would then have different tyres on the car. I could buy one as a spare but was concerned I may not be able to buy the same when it came time to change the others. As I mentioned above, I got one second hand yesterday for $165.


The guy I spoke to got back to me not via e-mail, anyway said all that is needed is the sensors in the tyres and for a Holden Dealer to download the software program from the web called tist to web, which basically downloads the software program to the Tech 2 device and then they reprogram your bcm.

I got a quote on the sensors they are $160 each alone then what ever Holden will charge for the download.

So my estimate of $1000 was almost right. Take into account the sensors, fitting at the tyre shop and then Tech 2.

[VXSS]

The OEM tyre is $850. Didn't say I wanted to pay that but it is quite simply what the cost of the 20" RE050A is. Yes I could buy two for that price but would then have different tyres on the car. I could buy one as a spare but was concerned I may not be able to buy the same when it came time to change the others. As I mentioned above, I got one second hand yesterday for $165.



So my estimate of $1000 was almost right. Take into account the sensors, fitting at the tyre shop and then Tech 2.

Got another price of $130 per sensor, but a tyre shop will probably charge $30per tyre to remove and fit the sensor tyres back on.

[steve_t]

I got a quote on the sensors they are $130 each alone then what ever Holden will charge for the download.

Awesome :goodjob: Now I'll go see how much they are here in NZ... probably $200 a sensor or something retarded like that!

[bush_basha]

that would be handy to have indeed, tho it would also be good in track tyres so when they get warm you can lower when needed, if anyone finds out a price for a good kit post it up in a group buy thread, im sure there people that would take it, id be keen depending on the cost. how is it stuck to the wheel tho and once its on can it be taken off if you decide to change wheels and is there a speed rating

[bonners]

see post 17

[VXSS]

Does anyone know if the Holden or HSV ones have temperature reading as well or just psi reading only?

[bonners]

Sorry for bringing this up again guys. But I am still wanting to do something in regards to a TPMS. I had read the posts above but still had never seen anything from a HSV to see what it looked like.

I recently asked my dealer about it after seeing a photo of a G8 dash which had the TPMS turned on. I asked them about fitting it to my car and was basically told they wanted nothing to do with it and that I may need a G8 spec BCM to enable the pressure sensors.

However this morning I was looking at some HSV's on car sales and came across this Clubbie.

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/demo/details.aspx?R=8306598&__sid=12627DBF30E4&__Qpb=true&Cr=1&__Ns=pCar_RankSort_Int32%7c1%7c%7cpCar_PriceSort_D ecimal%7c1%7c%7cpCar_Make_String%7c0%7c%7cpCar_Mod el_String%7c0&keywords=&__N=1216%201246%201252%204294965530%204294964634&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=220&silo=1011

It shows very clearly a pic of the TPMS in the cluster. Is this standard on all E2 HSV's? Has anybody had it retrofitted to a SS or the like? Is it an option you can choose when buying a new car or is it exclusively for the HSV's?

[cashie]

I'm also very keen to get the factory system working....
Has anyone been able to get it to work at all?
I see it is listed in engineering mode with 4 zeros, but I am still not totally convinced all the hardware is there (minus the sensors)
I checked on HSV and it appears all E2 cars now come with tyre pressure monitoring..
http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/dealer/carsales/23012422.jpg

[mjrandom]

The TPMS is fitted only if you option the full sized spare wheel. Mine came with it and when I changed the factory 19s to 20s I had the sensors fitted to the new wheels. Sorry no idea what the sensors cost because they were included in the overall price. The display is as per the previous post. The sensors are not particularly accurate but they are a guide and let you know when the tyres are deflating etc.

I had a set of Tyre Dogs on the E1 and they had a separate readout that I left in the centre console. These would 'beep' regularly as the signal was checked so a bit tedious. The Tyre Dogs are replacement screw on caps so don't need the tyre to be stripped first.

The guy who bought my E1 also bought the E2 wheels with the sensors and was also told that all he needed was a tech upgrade.

Michael

[Hos]

Well I would prefer the original also so please let us know.

me 4 or 5 or wherever we are up to! original is usually best

[cashie]

Can anyone advise the Holden part number for the sensors?
Has anyone played with a Tech2 to prove this can be enabled?
I would be keen to buy one sensor and try it...

[sv300 - 75]

http://www.team-bhp.com/forum/attachments/tyre-alloy-wheel-section/44549d1220285826-airless-tyres-next-generation-tires-image001.jpg

why dont you all just get these tyres then you will not have a problem with air pressures.

lol, i would also be interested in a TPMS, but im a little concerned about people steeling the little sensors off your wheels??

[bonners]

Talking to another dealer this morning and he states that it is standard on all E2's and was a $550 option on the E1's.

He is finding out info for me about retro fitting it to my SSV. I'll post up what he comes back with

SV300, I'm not sure why you would be concerned about sensors being stolen. They are inside the tyre from what I know unless the holden ones are different

[cashie]

Yep they are inside the tyres..

[mjrandom]

The Holden/HSV sensors are a new valve stem unit and totally concealed within the tyre. I have a spare at home so I will post a picture tonight. Hopefully there is a part number there too. My dealer told me that the TPMS only comes with the full sized spare, this is a $600 ish option now on all HSVs and the cars without a spare (the pump and gunk) or the temporary spare (black E1 R8 19" wheel) do not have TPMS. Happy to be corrected by someone who has one though...

[sv300 - 75]

SV300, I'm not sure why you would be concerned about sensors being stolen. They are inside the tyre from what I know unless the holden ones are different

oh, i was talking about some after market ones on ebay, they are just a cap that goes on the end of the valve (where the cap normally goes). if there is some kind of system that fits inside the tyre, then i will get that but i will need some sort of different display as i only have a VX.

i might keep looking on ebay.

[macca_779]

oh, i was talking about some after market ones on ebay, they are just a cap that goes on the end of the valve (where the cap normally goes). if there is some kind of system that fits inside the tyre, then i will get that but i will need some sort of different display as i only have a VX.

i might keep looking on ebay.

Smartire was the OEM system fitted to VY HSV's. They can be fitted with a round gauge (like VY's were) or a rectangle display module.

http://www.smartire.com/

[bonners]

yeah I would have bought one of ebay ages ago. But I hate how you have the crap looking gauge mounted somewhere in the car. I as really hoping to find a 52mm gauge like the old smartire used on the HSV's but they dont do them anymore.

This is the one I thought about buying but it still has a the aftermarket look for the gauge.
http://www.tyresave.co.uk/smartire.html

This is the perfect one and would be what I would buy but I have seen it will be well over $1000. I would mount this in a double hump gauge pod for the speaker area
http://www.stackltd.com/tpms.html

But if my dealer can come through for me with the in cluster one I will go that way

[mjrandom]

These are what I had fitted to the E1 (and still have on my Landcruiser).

http://www.tyredog.zylux.com.au/td1200ax.html

I picked up mine off eBay in Canada when the $ was pretty good so a fair bit cheaper than advertised. I didn't mount the monitor in either car because it looks very average. Just left it sitting in the centre console. You can adjust the settings for warnings on pressure and temperature. It goes nuts when I air down for the beach in the Tojo!

[bonners]

Macca that is the one I want but this has been on their website for a while.

SmarTire products are no longer available in the passenger vehicle market and the company has ceased support for this product category.

Parts may be available at your local dealer, however, we retain no inventory to support service parts.

So unless I find a full TPMS out of one of those cars it looks like I'm not using their system. I want the system to look factory when installed. Or at least part of the car rather than sticking a 'gauge' on the dash somewhere

[Glenn@Autowerks]

I threw one of these systems on about 8 months ago, the monitor can live in the glovebox. I'd rather have this than do in another tyre. I will eventually get the factory unit, now probably on the next beast. I didn't use the ugly bracket though. :)

http://www.daviescraig.com.au/Tyre_Pressure_Monitor-TYRE_PRESSURE_MONITOR_KIT__PART_No__1015-details.aspx

[macca_779]

Macca that is the one I want but this has been on their website for a while.

SmarTire products are no longer available in the passenger vehicle market and the company has ceased support for this product category.

Parts may be available at your local dealer, however, we retain no inventory to support service parts.

So unless I find a full TPMS out of one of those cars it looks like I'm not using their system. I want the system to look factory when installed. Or at least part of the car rather than sticking a 'gauge' on the dash somewhere

I can't see why you couldn't source the sensors from a smartire dealer and get the gauge from HSV

[afmss]

I threw one of these systems on about 8 months ago, the monitor can live in the glovebox. I'd rather have this than do in another tyre. I will eventually get the factory unit, now probably on the next beast. I didn't use the ugly bracket though. :)

http://www.daviescraig.com.au/Tyre_Pressure_Monitor-TYRE_PRESSURE_MONITOR_KIT__PART_No__1015-details.aspx

that looks pretty good for the money,if bonners has no luck getting the factory unit working ,i think il get that unit,cheers dave

[bonners]

I can't see why you couldn't source the sensors from a smartire dealer and get the gauge from HSV

Fair point macca. Will need to find out a smartire dealer (which they dont seem to list) and then find a part number for the gauge. Will post something up on here.

[cashie]

Paul (user: HSV-GTS-300 on forum grrrr8.net) has supplied me the part number 25789964 for the sensors...
These are about $140 in Aust and about $40 in the US....
Before I rush out and get one, how are we going to confirm that we have the TPMS receiver already?

[mjrandom]

Here is a picture of the sensor that is fitted to the E2s. If someone in Brissy wants to use it to see if it will communicate with a VE let me know. Have to be quick though I am off to Japan for a week from Monday.

http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii85/mjrandom/DSC_5486.jpg

It says in small writing:

Replace valve and screw with every tyre change (like that's going to happen if these things are $120+ ea)

433 MHz

www.schraderservice.com

Which leads to this...

http://www.schraderservice.com/howtofitme/Snap-In%20Rim%20Design%20Guidelines_03.pdf

http://www.ez-sensor.com/

Maybe someone can now track down an alternative supplier!

Michael

[macca_779]

Paul (user: HSV-GTS-300 on forum grrrr8.net) has supplied me the part number 25789964 for the sensors...
These are about $140 in Aust and about $40 in the US....
Before I rush out and get one, how are we going to confirm that we have the TPMS receiver already?

I doubt that you would have it. Why would Holden fit such a module to cars that were never even able to be optioned with it. G8's had different BCM's (or what ever they call it in VE). On top of the TPMS, remember they also had remote start.. We don't.

[cashie]

I doubt that you would have it. Why would Holden fit such a module to cars that were never even able to be optioned with it. G8's had different BCM's remember. On top of the TPMS, remember they also had remote start.. We don't.

I was thinking that.....

[WIKED]

I spoke to HSV's technical dept a few months ago and was told that to install the TPMS into an E series 1 HSV you would need:

4 x Tyre sensors
TPM
BCM adjustment via Tech2

Not sure what the TPM is worth. If I get time I will ring my dealer tomorrow.

[cashie]

I've started a thread over at grrrr8 forum here (http://www.forum.grrrr8.net/showthread.php?p=223943#post223943)
Some good info has been posted by Paul..
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/Instructions/TPMS_03.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/Instructions/TPMS2_03.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/Instructions/TPMS3_03.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/Instructions/TPMS4_03.jpg

From the above it does appear that the remote control door lock receiver also is the TPM Module.....
This is an item that is on eBay Canada for the Pontiac G8 for US$23.98, eBay Link (http://cgi.ebay.ca/2008-2009-PONTIAC-G8-NEW-KEYLESS-REMOTE-MODUAL-RECEIVER_W0QQitemZ230442541936QQcmdZViewItemQQptZM otors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item35a7722 370) does this look anything like we have on our cars?
Anyone know where we would look?

[moconn20]

woohoo, some progress! nice work guys.

[bonners]

I'm glad I resurrected this thread. There is some def progerss. Great work.

[cashie]

Ok, I can get a set of 4 OEM sensors for US$105 shipped to Australia.
Now we need to know if that $24 TPM above is compatible and if there is anything else we need..
Then some Tech2 time at Holden and we are getting close...

[Jag530G]

Something that may help you, Didn't the WM Caprice (from the start of the series) come standard with Tyre Monitoring? Maybe find uot about that is the WM doesn't have remote start so the BCM will be Australian Spec, not US spec.

Cheers, Matthew

[morpheousssv]

If your placng an order can you get another 5 sensors for me as well

[moconn20]

If that ebay TPM is a no-go then i guess we could look into the differences between the SSV vs. HSV remote control door lock receiver/TPM Module

[gladrock]

Just some heads up on the stems,

I have had a similar system for 3 years and over this time 2 of them have been destroyed during tyre changing (tyre levers coming in contact with the sensor while removing the tyre)

Lesson, make sure you tell your tyre guy that they are there before they start!

[cashie]

If your placng an order can you get another 5 sensors for me as well

PM sent. :)

[cashie]

Something that may help you, Didn't the WM Caprice (from the start of the series) come standard with Tyre Monitoring? Maybe find uot about that is the WM doesn't have remote start so the BCM will be Australian Spec, not US spec.

Cheers, Matthew

Can anyone confirm the part number for the WM Caprice TPM Module (or even the HSV for that matter)?
Is it any of these numbers:
RCDLR,ID # 25808838 15819552
RCDLR,ID # 25852909 25852909

[bonners]

Want to keep this going. Just sent another email to my dealer. Will see how we go

[WIKED]

Spoke to my dealer today and got a price of $982 drive in/out.

[EXCESSV]

Spoke to my dealer today and got a price of $982 drive in/out.on a VE series1 HSV or a Holden VE??

[moconn20]

Spoke to my dealer today and got a price of $982 drive in/out.

any mention of what was involved?

[WIKED]

That's for a HSV but from the diagram in this thread it should be the same for all VE's as the TPM is part of the RDL module which every VE has.

Anybody please correct me if that is not the case.

What's involved is to supply 4 x Tyre Pressure Sensors (and fit them) and use Tech 2 to turn on the TPM and then match the tyre sensors to the TPM so it knows which corner each sensor is on etc. Then they have to reprogram your keys due to you changing the RDL/TPM parameters etc.

If the sensors sourced from the US will work (I cannot see why not as they have to be programmed) the cost savings would be over $300.

[moconn20]

any chance you could ask your dealer whether its possible to put into a VE aswell? and if so whats involved?

then i can take that info direct to my dealer, that would be super

[WIKED]

Will make those enquiries tomorrow for you.

[cashie]

Will make those enquiries tomorrow for you.

Great job WIKED, any info would be great.
Also, is it 4 sensors or five? I was of the belief that the spare was also monitored...

[WIKED]

Thanks guys but that price was for 4 sensor's only.
HSV told me when I rang them that you only need 4 sensors.

When you think the sensors have to have their ID numbers and position on the car (e.g Left Front, Left Rear etc) entered into the TPM, it wouldn't know what corner of the car you put the spare on when needed.

Would certainly be handy though

[moconn20]

another question you might consider asking is... if it is possible on an ssv/ss whatever... will we still need to access engineering mode to see the readout, or can this be brought into the main trip computer.

[bonners]

yeah it kind of seems a bit pointless if it is only in engineering mode. I would want to scroll through the different options and have the TPMS as one of the displays. Would be great obviously for guys doing trackwork but those of us who go on long cruises would benefit greatly from having that as a constant readout

[morpheousssv]

does the G8 display in normal mode ?? this should give the answer to upgrading local VE's

[cashie]

does the G8 display in normal mode ?? this should give the answer to upgrading local VE's

Yes, and with Tech2 we should also be able to do it.

[heavyduty1340]

good research - Im looking forward to see how this all pans out:goodjob:

[VX2VESS]

Now this is what this forum should be about, good research.

be good to incorporate it into the existing dash..

Do these oem systems actually warn you when one starts going low, or do you have to watch all the time?

[bonners]

Ok, I can get a set of 4 OEM sensors for US$105 shipped to Australia.
Now we need to know if that $24 TPM above is compatible and if there is anything else we need..
Then some Tech2 time at Holden and we are getting close...

Cashie is there a link to buying these sensors.

My dealer came back to me this morning and stated that they couldn't do it genuinie.

[WIKED]

Now this is what this forum should be about, good research.

be good to incorporate it into the existing dash..

Do these oem systems actually warn you when one starts going low, or do you have to watch all the time?
All I have been told by someone with it was that when a tyre goes under 25psi then it comes up on the display and an alarm sounds just like the 'Low Fuel' warning etc.

Not sure if you can change the 25 level in Tech 2 as I would want somewhere in the low to mid 30's for mine.


Cashie is there a link to buying these sensors.

I would also be interested in a link to buy them from the US as there is some money to be saved. Then I would buy 8 of them and have 4 spare in case I need new ones for some reason. At that price why not.

[cashie]

Cashie is there a link to buying these sensors.

My dealer came back to me this morning and stated that they couldn't do it genuinie.

Contact member JPayne at the G8 Forum (http://www.g8board.com/forums/member.php?u=4515)
He can generally do them for US$22.50 each plus shipping (about US$20).
Please let him know cashie put you on to him for the above prices.

[WIKED]

Contact member JPayne at the G8 Forum (http://www.g8board.com/forums/member.php?u=4515)
He can generally do them for US$22.50 each plus shipping (about US$20).
Please let him know cashie put you on to him for the above prices.Thanks Cashie for that info. I have sent him a PM mentioning your name.

[cashie]

Thanks Cashie for that info. I have sent him a PM mentioning your name.

No probs, he'll look after you.

[heavyduty1340]

How is this progressing

Id like to fit it to our 2 VE's (SSV) if it all works out:goodjob:

[VX2VESS]

Contact member JPayne at the G8 Forum (http://www.g8board.com/forums/member.php?u=4515)
He can generally do them for US$22.50 each plus shipping (about US$20).
Please let him know cashie put you on to him for the above prices.


yes but not much good if can't get them to work,

need to suzz that out spose need someone to try it, or it it 90% certain it will work?

[WIKED]

Heard back from the dealer about SS and SS/V's and it's no looking good.

They cannot see how the Tech 2 will see the SS or SS/V as a Caprice.
Aparrently unless it see's it as a Caprice then they cannot turn on the TPMS.

Also it wouldn't display in your DIC so you would have to be running a HSV cluster and that might pose more problems with the Tech 2.

They did say they would happily try it for anybody who wanted to give it a go. Would cost you for their time etc.

All VE's have the hardware as the RCDLM is the RF receiver for the TPM side of things. It is just a matter of activating it with Tech 2 and updating the BCM so it will display on the DIC. But if Tech 2 won't let the dealer activate it then what can you do.

[LJ03L]

If the sensors work using radio IDs, what happens when you rotate the tyres? The display says one thing, but the wheel says another.

I don't normally replace all 4 tyres at onces. 2 of them seem to wear out way faster than the others :-)

[EXCESSV]

If the sensors work using radio IDs, what happens when you rotate the tyres? The display says one thing, but the wheel says another.

I don't normally replace all 4 tyres at onces. 2 of them seem to wear out way faster than the others :-)not really an issue with the VE HSVs in which they are optioned/standard in coz the rear tyres are wider and smaller profile than the fronts.

[LJ03L]

well that makes it easy then....

[WIKED]

If you replace a sensor or swap tyres etc you can put the TPM into 'learn' mode via the remote etc and go through the process of the TPM learning the ID's on each corner again.

So it's not like you have to take it back to the dealer or anything.

[Blakrok]

Interesting thread.

Dumb question but what is the BCM and what does it stand for?

[macca_779]

Interesting thread.

Dumb question but what is the BCM and what does it stand for?

Body Control Module.. Pretty much explains itself.

[Grant]

I had TPMS activated today, here is the summary:

* E-Series GTS (MY09)
* 4 sensors sourced from eBay (~$65 each)
* Sensors fitted by my local tyre shop ($40 per wheel)
* TPMS activated by HSV dealer (~$300)

I've also lost an RE050 due to low pressure, which is an expensive lesson. At about $400 the factory TPMS system is a good insurance policy.

I was told that MY08 cars can also have the system activated, but more work is involved.

[WIKED]

Glad it all went well. Had mine done awhile ago and well worth the insurance

[bonners]

God I'm jealous

Dealers up here dont want to touch it on mine :flipoff:

[Plenty]

Found this link on e-bay for genuine sensors

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/GENUINE-HSV-HOLDEN-WM-VE-TYRE-PRESSURE-MONITOR-VALVE-/330458022987?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories#ht_1693wt _911

has anyone had success with this yet i'm very keen to try it out!

[RABSP]

So any MY08 VE can fit this system for just under $800 or is that just for the HSV?

[Plenty]

looking through this thread it looks like it is possible just needed someone to outlay the initial cost to check if it works!

[moconn20]

So any MY08 VE can fit this system for just under $800 or is that just for the HSV?

If you refering to this post...


I had TPMS activated today, here is the summary:

* E-Series GTS (MY09)
.......

I was told that MY08 cars can also have the system activated, but more work is involved.

I believe he means MY08 HSV's only.

[Plenty]

My local dealer today like the sound of the challenge, foreman spent hours researching it, from the sounds of it, about 5 modules that need to be programmed they said they wanted about a days labour so nearly $1000 all up seems like alot but least they were interested and quite confident that it could be done.

Sensors can be bought for $55 each from e-bay. So that'll take the cost down a bit.

[Da_rooster1980]

Or like my dealer they just couldn't be bothered when i called up to get some info on how to replace the thermostat on on my S/C Stato and said it it was confidential information!!!

[Vanman]

Would be cool to get this on my clubby:goodjob:

[Surfnturf]

I have a Dec 07 Senator and has the option on the dash option's screen but wont activate. I purchased the eBay sensors and installed then went to HSV and wanted them to activate them. A BIG NO NO I got because they told me (after 10 phone calls to tech services ) where only an option from mid 08 I believe and anything before this model cant load the software on the vehicles system so as to activate them. So E1s cant be done, that's what Holden,HSV are telling me. bummer

[Vanman]

Bridgestone select actually have a TPMS for sale on their website

[hdj105]

If you replace a sensor or swap tyres etc you can put the TPM into 'learn' mode via the remote etc and go through the process of the TPM learning the ID's on each corner again.

So it's not like you have to take it back to the dealer or anything.
Can anyone advise how to "put the TPM into learn mode via the remote" please?

WM Caprice, and we have fitted 2 rim and tyres (with sensors) from a 2nd set of OE wheels we have, and need to re-educate the system.

[WENSKY]

Hi,

I bought 2 genuine Holden tpms sensors from a swap meet a few weeks ago for $15.
The guy said that they were brand new they look new anyways.

Dose anyone know how to test these before I spend $$$ to get them fitted???

[WIKED]

Can anyone advise how to "put the TPM into learn mode via the remote" please?

WM Caprice, and we have fitted 2 rim and tyres (with sensors) from a 2nd set of OE wheels we have, and need to re-educate the system.

1. set the parking brake.
2.Turn the ignition switch to ON with engine OFF.
3.Press and hold the Remote Keyless Entry [RKE] transmitters lock and unlock buttons at the same time, for about five seconds to start the TPMS learn mode. The horn churps two times indicating the TPMS receiver is ready and in learn mode.
4.Start allways with the passenger side front tyre [ L/H front for AUS]. The L/H side front indicator lamp also comes on to indicate that corners sensor is ready to be learned.
5. Remove the valve cap from the tyres valve stem
. Activate the TPMS sensor by decreasing or increasing the tyres air pressure for about eight seconds.The horn churps one time to confirm the sensor identification code has been matched to the tyre/wheel position.
6.The L/H side front indicator turns off and the R/H side front indicator lamp comes on to indicate that corners sensor is ready to be learned.Proceed to the R/H side front tyre and repeat the Step 5.
7.The R/H side front indicator lamp turns off and the R/H side rear indicator lamp comes on to indicate that corners sensor is ready to be learned.Proceed to the R/H side rear tyre and repeat the procedure in step 5.
8.The R/H rear side indicator turns off and the L/H side rear indicator lamp comes on to indicate that corners sensor is ready to be learned.Proceed to the L/H side rear tyre, and repeat the procedure in Step 5.
9. After the L/H side rear TPMS sensor has been learned the horn chirps two times.The L/H side rear indicator lamp turns off and the TPMS sensor matching process is done.Turn the ignition switch OFF .

If no tyres are learned after entering the TPMS learn mode, or if communication with the receiver stops, or if the time limit has expired, turn the ignition switch to Off and start over , beginningwith Step 2.
10.. Set all four tyres to the recommended air pressure level.
11.. PUT the valve caps back on the valve stems.



Hi,

I bought 2 genuine Holden tpms sensors from a swap meet a few weeks ago for $15.
The guy said that they were brand new they look new anyways.

Dose anyone know how to test these before I spend $$$ to get them fitted???
Have you asked a dealer? I know the company who makes them has the ability to test them and I would have thought a dealer might also.

[Plenty]

will this only work for the models that came out with it from factory or will it work on an VE, i can see TPM in engineering mode.

[WIKED]

Only VE HSV's can have it activated. Not SS and SSV's etc.

[hdj105]

1. set the parking brake.
2.Turn the ignition switch to ON with engine OFF.


Many thanks Wiked, worked a charm and the old mans happy (except for the rear tyre inner shoulder wear due to IRS design!) :goodjob:

[Hos]

Only VE HSV's can have it activated. Not SS and SSV's etc.

Wiked,

Why is this the case? Is it because of the BCM? ie BCM needs to be reprogrammed to that of a Caprice and therefore could well affect other areas of the car?

I would love to get this on my MY10 SSV Sportwagon. My local dealer thinks it may be possible but cant be sure, unless i buy the sensors, have them fitted then give them the car and wait and see how it goes, with me possibly footing the bill for labour with no positive outcome.

perhaps Planetdavo can shed more light on this??

Regards,

Hos

[WIKED]

Hos,

HSV told me last year that it had to do with the BCM and also the Caprice and HSV's have the correct DIC for it to work.
I know people put the HSV clusters in their cars but he said still no go as a dealer cannot activate it through Tech 2 etc without it being the correct car.
Someone with knowledge of how Tech 2 works with the car and Holden itself would have a far better idea if it was possible at all.






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[wmcaprice]

i have a bloke in keilor victoria that will sell you a full set of sensors $120 original holden equipment
& you dont have to go to holden, Ultratune can do the programming as well
saves paying $80ph to holden so some 18yo apprentice can stuff with your car

[bush_basha]

i have a bloke in keilor victoria that will sell you a full set of sensors $120 original holden equipment
& you dont have to go to holden, Ultratune can do the programming as well
saves paying $80ph to holden so some 18yo apprentice can stuff with your car

Can you shed some light on this please? How can ultratune program it, doesn't it have to be via tech 2, loading software into the system? If ultratune can surely other mechanics can?

[bonners]

Programming a standard VE SS to have TPMS?????

My dealer didn't want a bar of it. Are you saying any Ultratune can do it? Sorry mate, just a little sceptical.

[Hos]

i have a bloke in keilor victoria that will sell you a full set of sensors $120 original holden equipment
& you dont have to go to holden, Ultratune can do the programming as well
saves paying $80ph to holden so some 18yo apprentice can stuff with your car

I also have my doubts about this, given all the posts and info on here and also my two 'local' dealers have both said they are not sure.....

if this is the case, i think your bloke could be busy!

[bush_basha]

Has anybody had this fitted up to there E1 HSV yet? If so Was it just the 4 sensors and tech 2 reprogram?

[whiteknight2211]

There seems to be a lot of effort with little success for those who don't have the right model HSV..

What do you guys think of this? TP-05 is the model to look at.

http://www.steel-mate.co.uk/acatalog/Tyre_Pressure_Monitoring_Systems__TPMS_.html

I am thinking of trying this out - I asked them in around June for postage and I think it was around $40 but there was no other comparable item that could remain discrete, I am thinking of an RCA push button to control it - perhaps using the Calais Stability Control/Front Park Assist button could be repurposed in the SSV to allow switching.

[WIKED]

Has anybody had this fitted up to there E1 HSV yet? If so Was it just the 4 sensors and tech 2 reprogram?

Yes quite a few of us have had them installed in E1 HSV's. No issues and around $400 all up.

[bush_basha]

Yes quite a few of us have had them installed in E1 HSV's. No issues and around $400 all up.

Thanks for that mate, where did you get your sensors from? From the us as cashie posted the link? So to reprogram with the tech 2 they want bout $200 - $300.

And just to clarify the tpm is already fitted, it's the sensor the key uses yeh?

Thanks

[WIKED]

I bought a few from the USA an have 5 left I will most likely keep as spares.

All you have to do is get the 4 sensors installed at a tyre dealer or the dealer and then they use tech 2 to reprogram your RCDLM so make sure you take BOTH your keys so they can reprogram these at the same time.
They will just have to activate TPMS and then you are away. Took my dealer 1hr and charged me $80.

[bonners]

It why not a VE SS then? I dont get the difference. My dealer simply said it was all too hard and simply said it could cost you lots to try and get it to work

Which sensors did you use?

[steve_t]

It why not a VE SS then? I dont get the difference. My dealer simply said it was all too hard and simply said it could cost you lots to try and get it to work



Different BCM IIRC

[bonners]

Ok. Fair enough... Silly... But fair enough

So that takes me back to aftermarket. Why does nobody make a 52mm gauge for me TPMS. Then I found the STACK one. But it's a full racing one with data logging and the best price I found was $1500

[whiteknight2211]

Did you have a look at the TPMS I posted the link for?

Plenty of aftermarket options integrate poorly or look dodgy, I too looked at the Stack gauge (the one used as an option on the HSV VY II?) this is about the best option I have found so far.




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[bush_basha]

I bought a few from the USA an have 5 left I will most likely keep as spares.

All you have to do is get the 4 sensors installed at a tyre dealer or the dealer and then they use tech 2 to reprogram your RCDLM so make sure you take BOTH your keys so they can reprogram these at the same time.
They will just have to activate TPMS and then you are away. Took my dealer 1hr and charged me $80.

Thanks for that information mate, greatly appreciated.

[WIKED]

I just use the same original sensors that Holden/HSV supply. Bought from the company in the USA that make them etc.

[brentonsav]

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320680029797

just ordered those suckers for my MY09 GTS. The rear treads are not so high anymore so i'll get the tyre joint to throw these in when i get some new rubber.

[bonners]

Did you have a look at the TPMS I posted the link for?

Plenty of aftermarket options integrate poorly or look dodgy, I too looked at the Stack gauge (the one used as an option on the HSV VY II?) this is about the best option I have found so far

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I just don't like the display. Thanks for the PM. Keep me updated though.

That said, search orange TPMS on eBay. I think I might go with one of those. There was also one that put the display in a rear view mirror

[whiteknight2211]

This one (TP-05) uses the factory display through the video input, those other red versions screens look crap.

I've seen the Orange version, they too list a version that can integrade with the SSV factory screen however I couldn't get any further information. The combination GPS would be interesting.

AVE also make TPMS units, but I think the Orange ones would be my second preference however I would like the hide it as best as possible which is why I am looking at the TP-05


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[bonners]

I'm looking at something else for my screen so don't want to be adding more to it. Would be a good option. The orange one is the best of the dodgy aftermarket displays. I'm euite certain someone with skills could make a holder for it under the headunit

I admit I didn't scroll to the bottom of that page and now understand what you are saying

[whiteknight2211]

I'm looking at something else for my screen so don't want to be adding more to it. Would be a good option. The orange one is the best of the dodgy aftermarket displays. I'm euite certain someone with skills could make a holder for it under the headunit

I admit I didn't scroll to the bottom of that page and now understand what you are saying

I have the iPod module already so some switching of Video Signals will be required in addition to wiring the rest of it in. I have found the screenshot and I will post my results when I get it completed.

http://i1115.photobucket.com/albums/k541/whiteknight2211/f265eb43f1ac33ac14f1b2848f44b868image600x375.jpg

[bonners]

As I said mate, keep me in touch

[Richard Prior]

I'm glad I resurrected this thread. There is some def progerss. Great work.
Anyone know how to turn off the Tyre Pressure Monitoring System. I've just bought (4/11/11) a used (60.000km) WM Caprice 2007. Lovely to drive but the darn TPM error came up after a mere 40km of having the car! I have followed the threads and see its common and I can get the dealer to re-calibrate (?) the system, But as it seems to be an endemic problem, is there a simple way to turn it off without influencing anything else in the management system?

[bush_basha]

Revived this thread again. I'm searching for sensors. These run on the 433mhz do you think that any tyre pressure sensor on the 433mhz frequency will work. Or theres more to it?

Cheers

[bush_basha]

Ok well I've just been at the dealer and they tell me that I cannot activate the monitoring system in my E1 GTS for some reason, they reckon its vin locked or something. Can anyone shed some light on this?

the ones that have had it done in there E1 can post up there year model and which dealer did it.

Cheers

[bush_basha]

Ok so they mentioned the RFA module. Said no option to have tpms software. RFA module is vin locked and can't be changed. Tpms cannot be fitted to this vehicle.

Anyone heard this before but have gone to another dealer and had it installed?
Is it possible to hack into the RFA module or something similar?

[WIKED]

Nicholas,

I sent you a PM.
Mine is a E1 GTS and Surfers City Holden did mine without a problem.

A few friends with a GTS and 2 Clubbies had their's done also at dealer in Brisbane. I think it was out at Wynnum way but not sure.

Some dealer will actually ask if it can be done and other couldn't be bothered in our search.
As I have said before on here I rang HSV in Melbourne and was told it was possible on all E1 HSV's. The 40th Aniversary GTS had it and it's the same as yours and mine anyway.

There are no extra parts you require.
They hook it up to Tech 2, activate it in the BCM and reprogram your remotes as they need to turn it on in the RCDLM (remote Control Door Lock Module) module.

I would ask them to ring Surfers City Holden, Holden or HSV tech in Melbourne to find out.

Hope you get it all sorted.


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[Surfnturf]

I have a 2007 Senator and they are saying (Metro Holden in Adelaide )and (HSV Melbourne) that it cant be done . I am very interested in this if it can be done to a GTS maybe it can be done to my 2007 Senator ??

[WIKED]

I would recommend ringing another dealer as I had a neighbour that bought 4 sensors off me about 18months ago and had them installed near his work up near Brisbane. I think his was a 2008 Senator but he recently moved so I have lost contact with him.

You would think Holden/HSV would be keen to let people know this is available so they can sell the parts and a job for the workshop. I guess business is so good they aren't worried.


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[bush_basha]

So I emailed Hsv they have NFI on what's going on. Rang surfers city Holden, he seems to think all gts's had them as standard, and he's 99% sure it can be done.

Thats as far as I have got so far. It annoys me that I keep getting mixed results. I wish someone would give me a definite answer on it.

[Surfnturf]

So I emailed Hsv they have NFI on what's going on. Rang surfers city Holden, he seems to think all gts's had them as standard, and he's 99% sure it can be done.

Thats as far as I have got so far. It annoys me that I keep getting mixed results. I wish someone would give me a definite answer on it.

Yes I can confirm that you will get mixed results !!! as I did and still dont know if it can be done.

[bush_basha]

Yeh it's a PITA, I guess my only next option is a road trip to goldy one time and go to the one Craig went to and hopefully they'll be able to do it.

[pdbee]

If they are not already in your rims, it's easy to do, I put a set of 19's with P Zeros on my WM and got a set of 'senders' on eBay for $49 each

If you have an E2, you should already have the program in your car's computer

Check out http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_nkw=Holden+TPMS&_sacat=0&_dmpt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&_odkw=ve+commodore+HID+lights&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313

Install the "senders" in the rims and google 'relearn G8 tpms' and you'll find out the procedure to do it

As the G8 is the American Holden, it says "start at the front left wheel...." this is correct for Australian VE/WM

[WIKED]

I can sell anybody on here the TPMS sensors cheaper than that as I have some spare from my last order I got.

Just PM me if you need any as long as you don't won't more than 20 of them.




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[pdbee]

The "how to do it on the G8 Forum was a bit of a dog's breakfast, so I cut pasted and edited it, It is posted below:
Have the valve caps OFF and an air source handy

The TPMS matching process is outlined below:
1. Set the parking brake.
2. Turn the ignition switch to ON/RUN with the engine off.
3. Press and hold the Remote Keyless Entry (RKE) transmitter’s lock and unlock buttons, at the same time, for about five seconds to start the TPMS learn mode. The horn chirps two times indicating the TPMS receiver is ready and in learn mode.
4. Start with the driver side front tire. The driver side front indicator lamp also comes on to indicate that corner’s sensor is ready to be learned.
5. Remove the valve cap from the tire’s valve stem. Activate the TPMS sensor by increasing or decreasing the tire’s air pressure for about eight seconds. The horn chirps one time to confirm the sensor identification code has been matched to the tire/wheel position.
6. The driver side front indicator lamp turns off and the passenger side front indicator lamp comes on to indicate that corner’s sensor is ready to be learned. Proceed to the passenger side front tire and repeat the procedure in Step 5.
7. The passenger side front indicator lamp turns off and the passenger side rear indicator lamp comes on to indicate that corner’s sensor is ready to be learned. Proceed to the passenger side rear tire and repeat the procedure in Step 5.
8. The passenger side rear indicator lamp turns off and the driver side rear indicator lamp comes on to indicate that corner’s sensor is ready to be learned. Proceed to the driver side rear tire, and repeat the procedure in Step 5.
9. After the driver side rear TPMS sensor has been learned the horn chirps two times. The driver side rear indicator lamp turns off and the TPMS sensor matching process is done.
Turn the ignition switch to LOCK/OFF.
If no tires are learned after entering the TPMS learn mode, or if communication with the receiver stops, or if the time limit has expired, turn the ignition switch to LOCK/OFF and start over beginning with Step 2.
10. Set all four tires to the recommended air pressure level as indicated on the Tire and Loading Information label.
11. Put the valve caps back on the valve stems.

[bush_basha]

I'm pretty sure if the sensors are brand new they have to be activated from Holden's machine, they have something they hold next to the wheel and it activates the sensor.

[WIKED]

The sensors are 'activated' as soon as they are in a rim and air is present. They are just a receiver so they don't need anything to operate. They are always putting out a signal once in the rim with air in it.

The dealer needs to activate the TPMS in the car via Tech 2 on your BCM and RCDLM. Once done it works and then they walk around the car matching the sensors to each corner etc with their hand held tool.

I just wish that your local dealer was smart enough to have a go at it. I guess they don't need he business.


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[JimmyXR6T04]

Sorry if this has been covered, as i skipped through most of this... But does anything special need to be done when doing a tyre rotation?? Or can they simply swap the tyre to the other rim, keeping the sensors on the same wheel/position? Or do they need a reset of some kind if the wheels are swapped from rear/front?

[mjrandom]

Relearn as per post #144. Otherwise the system will still think the sensor is in the same position.

[JimmyXR6T04]

thanks mate, sounds like a bit of mucking around!!

[mjrandom]

Guys just so no one else has the same problem (or suffers from the same level of stupidity as I exhibited this morning). Jumped in the Clubbie to go to work and the TPMS said RR tyre fault. Scrolled through the menu and the tyre was showing 10psi. Grabbed the pressure gauge and checked that it was 36psi. Now as my TPMS regularly chucks a hissy fit when a dog farts (or wahtever upsets the damn thing) I just assumed it was just another error. I reckon the TPMS goes nuts about 3 times a week and if I drive for more than an hour it will fail and reset at least once on the way. Wait for it... Anyway I drove out my driveway, 250m of gravel, no problems, onto the road. Once I turned onto the bitumen I realised all was not well and pulled over. Sure enough the LEFT rear was down. I then had the choice of changing the tyre on the side of a single lane road just below the apex of a hill using the wonderful tools that Holden provide or crawling back to my nice clean carport and trolley jack and usable tools. I assumed the tyre was already shagged so I went back. Surprise number 2 was the weight of the HSV (W427) rear wheel with 285/30 20 Falken on it. 32kg! To put that in perspective that is virtually the same weight as my 4wds alloy wheels with 275/65 17 BFG A/T LT tyres! What the? I checked the spare which is an E1 R8 front with 245/45 19 and that came in at 25kg. Are all the 20s such a ridiculous weight? I don't have an E1 rear to check against, just the one front I kept as a spare when I flogged off the E2 R8 wheels 2 and a bit years ago.

The tyre had a lovely plaster screw right through the middle of the nearly new tread and now 0 psi. Anyway tyre dropped off for repair (if possible) or replacement.

Moral of the story? When you get new tyres fitted DO NOT ASSUME the tyre place will put the wheels back where they came from! I should have checked and didn't. Didn't even occur to me. My dumb arse mistake and I admit I am an idiot. I will be running the relearn process the moment it gets home with a real back tyre on it. Bugger.

[Alex(AUS)]

Good thing to remember.

The weight of the 9.5" rear + tyre is correct (around 32Kg) ... Ridiculous I know. Maybe it is just the time to get carbon fibre wheels and ultra light tyres ...

Alex

[mjrandom]

Good news, tyre was undamaged and repaired and ready to go back on. Hooray!

I know the Cruiser's wheel is 12.1 kg and BFG reckon the tyre is 25kg or so. I can only assume that the HSV wheel is the heavy part of the combo because the 20" tyres weigh buggar all compared to a mud tyre.

[mjrandom]

Are the 19s as bad, what about the forged wheels? Does anyone know?

[Alex(AUS)]

19"s are about the same ... Carbon fibre is the way to go if you have some $ to spend ...

Alex

[mjrandom]

I have been having a fairly persistent problem with the TPMS going on strike for 10 or 15 minutes every hour or so of a long drive. Resets automatically and then system fault again some time later. Had HSV look at it and no problem found. Anyway after a trip yesterday I noticed that the LH sensor took longer to reset than the rest. When the system would come back the LH front would just show -- but no fault. Anyway had new fronts fitted this morning (thanks Paul and Steve at Elite) and had Steve put a new sensor in that wheel. Performed the learn process as listed by pdbee on page 10 with the 3 old sensors and the new one and all were recognised and everything is ok. My car didnt follow the procedure exactly though with the indicator coming on after the horn beeped to show the system had learned that tyre. Hopefully that one sensor was the problem. Time will tell.