wheel spin

[blarks]

I have a vx II calais with mafless, pod filter alloy pipe intake, pacemaker 1 3/4" primaries 3" hi flow metal cats full 3" system. I know figures don't mean much but made 233 rwkw. stock auto and gears.

1. does anyone have the same or similar setup ?
and
2. will it wheel spin if you nail it from stand still ?

[diabolic]

Never had that setup, but for what it's worth, unless the road is wet, I seriously doubt it would.

Dan

[planetdavo]

Does Qld repossess cars under hoon laws? :hide:
A lot of variables. Grip of the road, tyre quality, driver "quality", load the converter up on the brakes or straight off idle etc, etc, etc...

[zorro]

you've got the work done and you havent tried to fry them???? If the converter is tired probably not, as Dave said there are other variables.

FWIW We did a A4 monaro similar mods and output wouldnt bag em unless held on converter with brake, even then wouldnt spin for longer than a split second. Go get a cam and converter if you wanna do skids

[blarks]

Grip of the road, tyre quality, driver "quality", load the converter up on the brakes or straight off idle etc, etc, etc...
just straight of idle, tyre quality good, any road surface

what do you mean by

Does Qld repossess cars under hoon laws?

[markone2]

I have a vx II calais with mafless, pod filter alloy pipe intake, pacemaker 1 3/4" primaries 3" hi flow metal cats full 3" system. I know figures don't mean much but made 233 rwkw. stock auto and gears.

1. does anyone have the same or similar setup ?
and
2. will it wheel spin if you nail it from stand still ?

If you have a genuine 233rwkw behind an A4 ,you'll blow the cobwebs off any street legal rubber....any doubts on that equation ..pm me and I'll show you just what a 227rwkw VY Calais does to a set of semi comps at the lights...Trust me...its all in your tune..PERIOD..there are two sides two every ball game in town....quick test drive will sort this one out real smart.

:)

[VXSS346]

Similar setup here, I don't try it very often as there is really no point IMO.
Personally I couldn't give a rats. I prefer having traction.

But for the record sometimes it does and sometimes it doesn't, mostly doesn't. Mainly cause of the tall 3.07:1 diff ratio.
Depends on the road surface/tyres/suspension etc etc etc.

Cheers :)

[blarks]

you've got the work done and you havent tried to fry them????

oh i've tried it won't do it and i'm a little shocked i guess and was curious if this was normal.

[zorro]

If you have a genuine 233rwkw behind an A4 ,you'll blow the cobwebs off any street legal rubber....any doubts on that equation ..pm me and I'll show you just what a 227rwkw VY Calais does to a set of semi comps at the lights...Trust me...its all in your tune..PERIOD..there are two sides two every ball game in town....quick test drive will sort this one out real smart.

:)

the black monaro in question in my above post had the VY2 HSV headers, x-force 2.5 catback, otr......... all tuned by your friends at Brendale and coincidentally dyno'd there around the 224rwkw mark. Also to note was on average wear 17" 235s as it came standard.

So about this 'all in the tune'???? :goodjob:

[thnk_again]

i had very similar work, with diff gears and less power 208 rwkw i never used to be able to mash it and spin them of the line, until i got a 3500 stall converter then i could stand on it and yes they would spin of the line thru to second then get traction.
edit
it actually used to struggle to spin the wheels with air con off on good rubber when it was 208rwkw.

[markone2]

the black monaro in question in my above post had the VY2 HSV headers, x-force 2.5 catback, otr......... all tuned by your friends at Brendale and coincidentally dyno'd there around the 224rwkw mark. Also to note was on average wear 17" 235s as it came standard.

So about this 'all in the tune'???? :goodjob:

So that would explain the *we did *........naturally

[blarks]

tune was not done at brendale. i reckon it would have no trouble with gears and converter, I just thought that it would with the current setup

[350com]

I have a PT tuned ute with 224rwkw. Mine won't spin from stand still. If i stand on the brake and stall it up the motor seems to choke on itself and the revs die and takes off in slow motion

[zorro]

So that would explain the *we did *........naturally

Bolted on an exhaust and sent it to a workshop......... where did 'we' go wrong?

We really should have a beer sometime, I love your sense of humour :bow:


I have a PT tuned ute with 224rwkw. Mine won't spin from stand still. If i stand on the brake and stall it up the motor seems to choke on itself and the revs die and takes off in slow motion

the scientific reason behind that is because you are not M12

[seedyrom]

Awwww ... come on

Mark's probably got a good video that he wants to share, but can't do so without being labelled a hoon.

I'm happy to watch it without judging you Mark!

[markone2]

We really should have a beer sometime, I love your sense of humour :bow:





Personally , I'd rather stack the PT tuned and built 263rwkw VZ Crewman in full street trim against your finest at Willowbank ...........end of the month, :goodjob:

[zorro]

if my life revolved around timeslips it could happen, alas it doesnt. I like fine wine, cheese and bocce on my saturday afternoons.

[blarks]

maybe we could race eat cheese drink piss and play bocce all at the same time

[zorro]

sold, I got playstation plenty of cheese, wine and bocce balls. I'll even drop a slab on the back 9 so we can do some skids!!!

ON A SERIOUS NOTE - you may find the converter is tired. Back way back when I had my VS 'v6' I had the box kitted and a Super6 converter put in. before that (with lsd mind you) wouldnt do nothing off the lights, new converter and it would

[markone2]

if my life revolved around timeslips it could happen, alas it doesnt. I like fine wine, cheese and bocce on my saturday afternoons.

Well there you go.........I like timelips as all doubt is removed :) 4xxxx Gold and collecting my weekly dues from the TAB on Saturday aferenoons...or bookie..whichever comes sooner...

ps....Check last Sunshine Coast Sunday racing ( race two / Horse 1 ...another top ET and only going to get better :goodjob:....yep another *markone* 2 win at $4.10 :diddy:

[zorro]

as a horse owner, I tip my hat.... now if this rain would dissapear we might get the new one trialed in Ballina, only been waiting 4 months

[SirNemesis]

Mine would tear up the tyres when planting it from the lights when I had similar mods and power to yours, and back when it was auto. Alot comes down to tyre and suspension choice though.

If you have traction, be thankful!

[blarks]

ON A SERIOUS NOTE - you may find the converter is tired. Back way back when I had my VS 'v6' I had the box kitted and a Super6 converter put in. before that (with lsd mind you) wouldnt do nothing off the lights, new converter and it would

the car has 111,000 on it should the box be tired already.


Mine would tear up the tyres when planting it from the lights when I had similar mods and power to yours, and back when it was auto. Alot comes down to tyre and suspension choice though.

If you have traction, be thankful!

yeh I am i just thought it would break loose more than it does

[markone2]

as a horse owner, I tip my hat.... now if this rain would dissapear we might get the new one trialed in Ballina, only been waiting 4 months

Check Dans Choice ...........DANZIDEA (USA ) - PETTITE BAGATELLE........payed for LRC and might have paid for a tad more if C R wasn't at the reins..so to speak

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the car has 111,000 on it should the box be tired already.





Research BBB1 here on the forum ( WH 1 1999 Statesman ).......215,000Ks.....unopened / 12.5 over the quarter ....original motor and A4....still going strong, although new owner did replace alternator aprox 12 months back.


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[VX2VESS]

maybe not with the std diff ratio, although i recall mine would a bit and in 2nd.

but with 3.73's its a battle to get traction, i usually ease the throttle on, then back off just as it changes into 2nd to prevent it. been doing it so long its automatic at the exact moment. if i leave it flat I cop the spinning and sideways action which doesn't really help matters if your trying to move forward quickly, a converter would help smooth that out i guess. but its not a habit at all. but would be nice to keep the wheels gripping

unsure of current rwkw last reading was 235 but more added since that, don't think its over 250 however. don't care to bother to find out, its enough for the shit roads conditions these days. i think a pushbike is fast enough for some traffic days. late night drives are fun no one around to bother you much.

[blarks]

it does chirp into 2nd, anyway thanks guys

[jay_88]

its funny how it works without my cam ect all i wanted it to do is spin and chirp hard but once u got the power all you want it to do is stick to the road :rofl:

[blarks]

its funny how it works without my cam ect all i wanted it to do is spin and chirp hard but once u got the power all you want it to do is stick to the road :rofl:
Ha ha yeh :goodjob: thats exactly right

[macca_779]

I have a PT tuned ute with 224rwkw. Mine won't spin from stand still. If i stand on the brake and stall it up the motor seems to choke on itself and the revs die and takes off in slow motion

Yep its all in the tune isn't it markone2.

[smokey777]

its funny how it works without my cam ect all i wanted it to do is spin and chirp hard but once u got the power all you want it to do is stick to the road :rofl:

they spin & chirp no worries without a cam?

[blarks]

they spin & chirp no worries without a cam?
If i have mine in d and about 50 k's and mash the pedal it will chirp bak into 1st then into 2nd. no cam

[255-LS1]

get a manual :hide:

[macca_779]

get a manual :hide:

amen to that

[blarks]

A manual is an option, a costly one. all my previous cars have been manual kind of tired of changin gears, I like putting in d and just goin. I justed wanted to know if anyone else with the setup I have can get tyres spinning from stand still no brake.

[kpop]

I have a vx II calais with mafless, pod filter alloy pipe intake, pacemaker 1 3/4" primaries 3" hi flow metal cats full 3" system. I know figures don't mean much but made 233 rwkw. stock auto and gears.

1. does anyone have the same or similar setup ?
and
2. will it wheel spin if you nail it from stand still ?

get off the internet and go do your homework kid

didnt know school holidays were still in

[berroca]

get a manual :hide:


hahahaha
+1

[255-LS1]

you are lazy mate. with that attitude you dont deserve to fry tires lol jks.

[blarks]

thanks guys will tell every one what a great experience it is on these forums

[kpop]

thanks guys will tell every one what a great experience it is on these forums

its, well give you a 2nd chance. its just the way you worded your 1st post. something more mature and sensible would have worked in your favor. next time try something like this:


omg uleh fully bro's hows it goin. my fuuuuuuuuuuly sick stock commo, which runs 10's by the way, i wanna impress da chikz right, cuz when im at da litz i have ma music fully cranked an everyone stares at me, my hat points to the moon n all that

so anyway, bak 2 da chiks, uleh, when teh lites go green, i wanna be all like in gran turismo, just like fully take off, how do i do the wheel spins. i tried it a few times, but i just go up the gutter and scratch my cheap ass chrome rims

also i put stockos on the rear and slammed her by about 11 inches

cheers

- muztek habibi.

[255-LS1]

:rofl: i got a laugh out of that

[xplosv57]

I've got a similar car with similar power and similar k's and if i give it a bootful on a normal road, the rears fry regardless of weather. I've tried 16 17 and 18in wheels with a mix of cheap and expensive tyres, always the same deal, although my current 16in michelins seem to be the best!!

Possibly we can swap, cos i don't want wheelspin whereas you do!! =)

[stompa]

3000k high stall will make it an instant tyre fryer

[planetdavo]

fuuuuuuuuuuly sick

- muztek habibi.

One lamb kebab with da lot thanks mate.

[berroca]

One lamb kebab with da lot thanks mate.

:rofl:
i got a laugh outta that

[Eljay]

dump the clutch

[255-LS1]

dump the clutch

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused:

[kpop]

dump the clutch

id say 1st do some tinkering and remove the rev limiter

then dial her up to around 9000rpm and then drop the clutch

fun will follow

[VX2VESS]

If i have mine in d and about 50 k's and mash the pedal it will chirp bak into 1st then into 2nd. no cam

thats another one i try to avoid, rather nasty if the cars not straight at the time

[blarks]

I just wanted to know with the stated mods and rwkw should it have enough power to bag it from stand still, if the norm is no I don't really care, but if it can then have I had a lazy tune. I don't go around hooning everywhere and don't really care about wheel spin or not. I was purely concerned about the mafless tune I recieved and whether other people have had the same experience

[255-LS1]

thats another one i try to avoid, rather nasty if the cars not straight at the time

good for snapping input shafts too :goodjob:

[blarks]

good for snapping input shafts too :goodjob:
Is that how you broke yours?

[jay_88]

even mine with 400rwhp+ plus doesn't spin from stop but that probly because the bigger cams dont have much down low anyways as soon as it reaches 3-4k :burnout: all the way through to 4th fun and scary at times...

[VX2VESS]

maybe not with the oem diff with a grippy surface, i can't recall what that was like now spun a little or not. but it sorta sound like you still have some protection turned on if it dies when stalled up etc

[255-LS1]

Is that how you broke yours?


no just heatd stories from ppl on here and from trans builder, its not good for boxes.

[blarks]

thanks guys

[zorro]

On a dry road last night I had a friends VU SS ute A4 completely standard bar a 2.5" reback exhaust without stalling would get a spin from standstill. Wouldnt start frying just a spin and slight movement to the left. This ute also only has 55000klms on it.

NOW

We have had some rain up here and the cooler temp at night may have help but it was genuinely a dry patch of road. I think its horses for courses and very car dependent. My Ranger TD A5 (work car) bags off the lights and my old work car the BF Falcon would spin a wheel off the line.

[ADAM 26]

with stock drive line and basicly just a quick mafless tune it wont do much for wheel spin.

diff gears and stally will wake it up.

[harey]

If you have a genuine 233rwkw behind an A4 ,you'll blow the cobwebs off any street legal rubber....any doubts on that equation ..pm me and I'll show you just what a 227rwkw VY Calais does to a set of semi comps at the lights...Trust me...its all in your tune..PERIOD..there are two sides two every ball game in town....quick test drive will sort this one out real smart.

:)

Are you able to share any information on tuning?

[blarks]

ok cool so it seems that gen3's do lack a bit down low and the stock drive train doesn't help. either way its pretty much settled my concerns about the tune. I guess it feels ok power wise, I may query the tuner again to see if he gave me the grandpa tune or if thats his "fuuuuuuuuuuly sick impress da chikz" tune :)

[Blown 540]

Good thread this one,very amusing.

Have you hit the converter manual lockup switch.
Pull the light switch out and turn it to the left.

[blarks]

Good thread this one,very amusing.

Have you hit the converter manual lockup switch.
Pull the light switch out and turn it to the left.
yeh I tried that

I even tried winding up the boost parameters in the turbo module, bored out the capacitative flux injectors, put a super ion core generator in the diff then turned on the underdrive on the overdriven supercharger.

no luck