Nissan GT-R faster than Corvette ZR1?

[mutual_master]

http://www.motorauthority.com/updated-series-ii-2010-nissan-gt-r-expected-to-outpace-corvette-zr1-at-nurburgring.html

I'd hate to see the Nissan do it but there seems to be nothing holding it back. I'd still own the ZR1 anyday over the Nissan.

The SpecV will almost certainly beat it :bawl:

[blacksv869]

""This means that it MAY post lap times as fast as 7m 24s"" more than two seconds faster than the mighty Chevrolet Corvette ZR1, which posted a lap time of 7m 26.4s last year

typical ricers.....still tryin:goodjob:

[iloveholden]

Personally i'd still own the ZR1....two seconds faster doesnt mean i'd fell cool driving some riced up jap car :stick:

[Martin_D]

The whole ZR1 thing is pointless now that the Corvette has been canned. I think its the Porsche battle that Nissan savour the most :cool:

[Evman]

The whole ZR1 thing is pointless now that the Corvette has been canned. I think its the Porsche battle that Nissan savour the most :cool:

No point in ever talking about the Spec V GTR then either seeing as it's unlikely to ever come to Oz. Forum, consider yourself warned.

[planetdavo]

Haven't the various existing GTR vs Corvette and GTR vs Porsche threads debated this topic enough already?

[Martin_D]

Haven't the various existing GTR vs Corvette and GTR vs Porsche threads debated this topic enough already?

I'm with Davo on this one, I keep looking for a ZR1 on the way to work in the morning, track days, you name it, so we can put the whole thing to bed once and for all, and I just dont see one. The odd poseur in the 911 has to do :lol:


No point in ever talking about the Spec V GTR then either seeing as it's unlikely to ever come to Oz. Forum, consider yourself warned.

Canned = GM dont make them anymore
Last time I looked you could still buy and import a Spec-V :goodjob:

[Evman]

I'm with Davo on this one, I keep looking for a ZR1 on the way to work in the morning, track days, you name it, so we can put the whole thing to bed once and for all, and I just dont see one....

Canned = GM dont make them anymore
Last time I looked you could still buy and import a Spec-V :goodjob:

I don't think you'll be able to drive better than the driver of the ZR1 that posted the Ring time, nor the driver of the GTR that did the same. The ZR1 was quicker, it's already been put to bed so you don't have to prove anything.

Last time I checked you could still buy a ZR1 and import it :yup:

[LSX-438]

No point in ever talking about the Spec V GTR then either seeing as it's unlikely to ever come to Oz. Forum, consider yourself warned.

The article says they'll be testing the regular ("2010") GT-R and the Spec-V. It's only a couple of seconds (over 7 minutes) they have to make up (that's four tenths of 1% improvement) and anyone who has been following the performance of the "2010" GT-R vs 2009 would have a pretty good idea if they can do it or not. I wonder if they'll be running the new DSST2 tyres :) - of course they'll do it. If GM were still making the ZR1 they would get back out there and better it again too, tit for tat this Nordschleife stuff.

[Evman]

That's nice LSX but I never said I didn't think it could do it :confused: My point was that Tuna doesn't think we should bother talking about the ZR1 because it's not being produced any more. I believe we should because although the GTR is a monster, by 2010 it will be beating a car that was 2-3 years older than it, and was stopped being produced a year beforehand. Seems to me the ZR1 is definitely a car that deserves to be talked about, still.

[Martin_D]

Last time I checked you could still buy a ZR1 and import it :yup:

You might want to check again, no one has SEVS compliance on ZR1 :)

[Evman]

You might want to check again, no one has SEVS compliance on ZR1 :)

So now you need to have one car already licensed in the country before any can actually be imported? God damn it. That blows my theory out of the water then! This is getting a bit out of hand. Tuna I certainly agree that the GTR is an awesome car, I'm not debating that, but your original point that the GTR v ZR1 is pointless doesn't hold water. Just because a car is no longer produce doesn't make its Nurburgring time void.

[Martin_D]

You can see the ruling on Corvette here -
http://rvcs-prodweb.dot.gov.au/sevs/360-01.htm
ZR1 is ineligible under this :(

[Evman]

Ok, I'll accept defeat over that :) Just hope you see where I was coming from originally ;)

[Martin_D]

Someone just has to get off their ass and do it. Its not impossible :)

[GODSMACK]

Argh yes.... "insert car type" is faster than a ZR1 = shit fight.

[Evman]

Then insert token neutral party.

'Which car is faster' was not the main topic of debate for once :)

[FlatfootV8]

Granted the GT-R is one hell of a very fast looking catfish.
It will have its 15 minutes of fame then something else faster will come out of the woodwork and people will be saying GT-R who?

[GODSMACK]

Granted the GT-R is one hell of a very fast looking catfish.
It will have its 15 minutes of fame then something else faster will come out of the woodwork and people will be saying GT-R who? As will be said about other makes of cars too i.e. ZR1.

[LSX-438]

That's nice LSX but I never said I didn't think it could do it :confused: My point was that Tuna doesn't think we should bother talking about the ZR1 because it's not being produced any more. I believe we should because although the GTR is a monster, by 2010 it will be beating a car that was 2-3 years older than it, and was stopped being produced a year beforehand. Seems to me the ZR1 is definitely a car that deserves to be talked about, still.

That's nice Evman but i never said you shouldnt discuss ZR1's - go for it!

And btw, "2010" is in quotes because it's actually sepo talk for the 2009 model; and fwiw the "2009" (2008) 7:29 GTR ring time was set on the 16th of April 2008, 11 months ago.

- Not 2 or 3 years ago.

Now the weather is clearing up we'll no doubt see some more numbers come out of the ring soon.

Cheers

[Holden Man]

ZR1 time is damm impressive considering it's rear wheel drive (and has hardly any gimmicks to rely on)


I think both will remembered as legend cars.

[blacksv869]

ZR1 time is damm impressive considering it's rear wheel drive (and has hardly any gimmicks to rely on)


I think both will remembered as legend cars.

no gimmicks???? the gtr is hand built in a sterile envioroment.....has more bolt ons than a modern day ricer with unlimited buget....and just makes it..

ZR1 = beast :bow:

honestly the car is impressive, twin turbo V6 etc., but when the start comparing??

top gear did a report on it...am i allowed to post the link up?

[pelagonia_ss]

Personally i'd still own the ZR1....two seconds faster doesnt mean i'd fell cool driving some riced up jap car :stick:

They are both tough cars.

[Holden Man]

no gimmicks????....

AWD software (turn that off and see what happens). The GTR relies on computer power as much as engine power. That's why Nissan are changing the software already (how old is the car?) to try and stop the transaxle from exploding. Don't get me wrong, it is an AWESOME car that basically kills everything - it's just a different sought of vehicle to the ZR1 (modern vs Old School in a way :))


am i allowed to post the link up?

Yes :confused:


If every member on here pitched in $50 (30 000 x $50 = $1 500 000), the LS1 forum could buy a ZR1 (or two) from the states and have track days with it !

The downside is that the ZR1 might not be in the same condition (in one piece) once it gets to member #30 000 !!

[steves87]

The whole ZR1 thing is pointless now that the Corvette has been canned. I think its the Porsche battle that Nissan savour the most :cool:

canned or on hold?

[OPPYLOCK]

I love this tit-for-tat at The Ring, it always produces good videos.
Nissan are still going to require some nice spring weather or they aren't going to be breaking anything but traction.

[Martin_D]

canned or on hold?

The whole of GM will more than likely be on hold very shortly :)
My sources indicate ZR1 production stopped last September, but they MAY be wrong. What is right is that there hasnt been a ZR1 built for many months :(

A shame really, another fast car down the drain :)

[steves87]

The whole of GM will more than likely be on hold very shortly :)
My sources indicate ZR1 production stopped last September, but they MAY be wrong. What is right is that there hasnt been a ZR1 built for many months :(

A shame really, another fast car down the drain :)

ahhh... you meant ZR1 specifically when you said 'Corvette'...... it is true that the Corvette/SLR plant went on hold for a few weeks sept-oct last year..... but im pretty sure they are back already as i know that the Mueseum next door is still doing 'mueseum deliveries'.... did the first one in there new section the other day.... as for ZR1.... your probably right... havnt heard of anymore being built since shutdown....
completely off subject, if GM is still around in the futre and your ever in Bowling green, get over to the factory and mueseum, tis a worldclass factory.... was even named so.... its well worth the drive (and airfare).:):)

[Evman]

Shouldn't take anything away from the GTR because of it's computing power. It's the way all cars are going anyway. Besides, jets of all sorts have been relying on their computers for decades. Turn them off and most will be virtually useless and far less impressive compared to normal. LSX the '2-3 years ago' comment was referring to the next GTR. By the time it's released it will be 2-3 years older than the ZR1 :)

[Martin_D]

ahhh... you meant ZR1 specifically when you said 'Corvette'...... it is true that the Corvette/SLR plant went on hold for a few weeks sept-oct last year..... but im pretty sure they are back already as i know that the Mueseum next door is still doing 'mueseum deliveries'.... did the first one in there new section the other day.... as for ZR1.... your probably right... havnt heard of anymore being built since shutdown....
completely off subject, if GM is still around in the futre and your ever in Bowling green, get over to the factory and mueseum, tis a worldclass factory.... was even named so.... its well worth the drive (and airfare).:):)

Yeah ZR1 was the Vette I was referring to. I have some friends from Powertrain who work(ed) in that department and they kept me up to date with the production scheduling for the ZR1, and sad news is that it is no more. Really though a $100K Vette was only ever going to have so much appeal in the US, and as a show piece it did its job admirably :)

I am heading over to Atlanta GA in the next couple of months for some GTR business of all things! :eek: and I will make sure that I take the interstate up to Kentucky, have a good look at the Bowling Green facility as well as hooking up with the Colonel Harland Sanders shrine :bow:

[steves87]

Yeah ZR1 was the Vette I was referring to. I have some friends from Powertrain who work(ed) in that department and they kept me up to date with the production scheduling for the ZR1, and sad news is that it is no more. Really though a $100K Vette was only ever going to have so much appeal, and as a show piece it did its job admirably :)

I am heading over to Atlanta GA in the next couple of months for some GTR business of all things! :eek: and I will make sure that I take the interstate up to Kentucky, have a good look at the Bowling Green facility as well as hooking up with the Colonel Harland Sanders shrine :bow::goodjob:
really nice part of the world that area.... would go back. post some pics if you take any (not allowed in factory) would love to see how much the mueseum has changed since the new renovations have taken place.
assuming your landing in nashville(sorry, just re-read post.... atlanta) ? take a small detour to jack daniels place also... great place, let me know if the woman who speaks like the assitant coach from 'the waterboy' still works there... she is the one with no teeth...:)

[Holden Man]

Shouldn't take anything away from the GTR because of it's computing power. It's the way all cars are going anyway. Besides, jets of all sorts have been relying on their computers for decades. Turn them off and most will be virtually useless and far less impressive compared to normal.

True / I just think the ZR1 lap time is more impressive IMO

Given the current economic I wonder how long the GTR namplate will last ??

Anyway I'm just a lamo with a VS so my comments are pretty worthless :jester: !!!

[Evman]

Anyway I'm just a lamo with a VS so my comments are pretty worthless :jester: !!!

Na bollocks mate it's a public forum, and you don't need and LSx engine to get your opinions heard ;) Tuna is the only person on here with one of the cars that's being discussed anyway haha!

When I joined I had a VN stocker :p

[VX2VESS]

not a ZR1 but they seem to do the rest.

i've heard of this place before just not looked into it, maybe tuna has.

http://www.corvette.com.au/Available%20Vehicles/Chevrolet/Corvette-244.aspx

check out the recently delivered cars, lol some of those ppl need a car that big.. hows the giant caravan.....

[Martin_D]

This whole thread is a little dumb. Either of these cars would scare the average punter shitless such is their pace. Think really really fast VS, and then multiply it by 100 :)

Steves I will make sure I look out for 'gums' when I am in town, and you can be sure I will check out the Jacks Plant, and speak to ol Billy Bob that hand rolls the barrels or whatever it is they do over there with all that oak. We have to spend a couple of days at VIR (Virginia International Raceway) in the cold, so with any luck a bit of Jacks might warm the cockles a little :lol: :)

[steves87]

This whole thread is a little dumb. Either of these cars would scare the average punter shitless such is their pace. Think really really fast VS, and then multiply it by 100 :)

Steves I will make sure I look out for 'gums' when I am in town, and you can be sure I will check out the Jacks Plant, and speak to ol Billy Bob that hand rolls the barrels or whatever it is they do over there with all that oak. We have to spend a couple of days at VIR (Virginia International Raceway) in the cold, so with any luck a bit of Jacks might warm the cockles a little :lol: :)

Haha, have fun.... wish i was there already:bow:

[Martin_D]

Now back to the point, when is someone here going to stump up for a ZR1?
There have been people here that have spent that sort of coin on streeters worth $40K in the washup, surely someone with a couple of bucks wants a fast Vette

[6LtrLimo]

forget stumping up the cash for a "good-ole-boys" corvette.....

whos stumping up with the 11 secret herbs and spices ??

[Steve-LS2]

Hey guys,

Just to put it to rest Corvette Clinic have a ZR-1 and are currently completing the comliance process to bring them over and convert them to RHD.

Corvette Clinic ZR-1 (http://www.corvetteclinic.com.au/corvette/2009_zr1.php)

Saw it on TV last week I think, can't remember the cost, think it was $125K for the conversion PLUS the car.....:confused:

[planetdavo]

The whole of GM will more than likely be on hold very shortly
Just like Nissan already did a few years back, when Renault took control...:hide:
Sorry Tuna. It's still a great car, even if the paymasters are Frenchies these days. :)

[seldo]

..... a bit of Jacks might warm the cockles a little :lol: :) Hey Tuna - It's not for dunking in you know - you're supposed to drink it...:lol:

[Martin_D]

Hey guys,
Just to put it to rest Corvette Clinic have a ZR-1 and are currently completing the comliance process to bring them over and convert them to RHD.

These guys are braver than the whole LS1 forum, as they have a ZR1 as a test car by the looks, but no approval. Would they bother with a car thats not made anymore? Time will tell if they stump the cash up for genuine SEVS approval. $125K for compliance, that kind of rules, especially when there is leaf springs involved........ :lol: :bow:


Hey Tuna - It's not for dunking in you know - you're supposed to drink it...:lol:

If they are big enough son you dont need to bend the knees, just let em swim.....like driving any of these two cars mentioned here require when at the limit :teach:

[Evman]

Braver than the whole forum or deeper pockets?

[Martin_D]

Maybe they have less brain cells than the forum members that would be way too smart to invest money in such tripe :)

[planetdavo]

Maybe they have less brain cells than the forum members that would be way too smart to invest money in such tripe :)
Ahhh, Tuna does like stirring the pot on less techno cars than the GTR!
Less techno often doesn't mean less driving enjoyment though Mr T.

[Martin_D]

Ahhh, Tuna does like stirring the pot on less techno cars than the GTR!
Less techno often doesn't mean less driving enjoyment though Mr T.

And at the risk of being rude, selling fan belts for Camiras doesnt mean you would probably ever drive either.....remember when you wrote about the Epica Diesel being a great drive? Sums it up really, as you arent going to grace us with a ZR1 :)

But good on you, this country needs consumers. Breed some more Davo's :cool:

[hazrd8]

i finished a few repairs on a r32 gtr never driven the gtr a lot of other import stuff but not the gtr. I was hoping for a bit more not that impressed.

[Martin_D]

Thats good stuff. Davo, please translate? :)

[planetdavo]

And at the risk of being rude, selling fan belts for Camiras doesnt mean you would probably ever drive either.....remember when you wrote about the Epica Diesel being a great drive? Sums it up really, as you arent going to grace us with a ZR1 :)

But good on you, this country needs consumers. Breed some more Davo's :cool:
You're still stirring Mr T!
You perhaps need to re-read the Epica "great drive" quote though. I can't seem to find those words!
Many low tech cars are great drives. It's the rawness that makes them great, the desire to control the beast.
You should be careful when confusing "high tech" as a pre-requisite for ultimate pleasure. High tech often makes average drivers appear genuinely good, whereas they are spuds in simpler "low tech" machinery.
Sorts the men from the boys, my friend....:)

[fatbob]

Back to the exact topic though. Nissan GTR faster than a ZR1.
I saw the topgear episode on the GTR as I sure most have - and the verdict was fast as hell, boring as hell until on a track.
It may be faster than a ZR1- but is it as much fun ? And how does it take mods ? As an LS does seem to like them.

[Martin_D]

Many low tech cars are great drives. It's the rawness that makes them great, the desire to control the beast.

An Epica is low tech Davo, a ZR1 certainly is not :teach:
Using 'low tech' as an excuse because a 200kg heavier car with a much smaller engine, and a cheaper price tag is every bit as quick is not an excuse when ZR1 comes packed with these state of the art features like -

"MSRC “reads” the road in 1-milisecond intervals (a thousand times per second), making it the world's fastest-reacting damping system. Its ability to deliver a compliant ride with nearly instantaneous damping adjustments enabled engineers to develop a surprisingly supple ride quality in a supercar that still delivers cornering grip of more than 1g. "

"A new, Bosch brake-apply system is standard, and includes the brake master cylinder, booster and ABS control module. It is tuned specifically for the ZR1 and is not shared with other Corvette models. The system works with Magnetic Selective Ride Control to deliver a very competent and intuitive active handling system – complete with a Competitive Driving mode."

"Corvette's familiar four-mode traction/stability system remains."

Fact is the Americans cant make as good a car as the Japanese. It has been this way since about 1975. The best cars Americas had in the last 20 years have been built in Australia. Dont expect it to change anytime soon :)

[planetdavo]

An Epica is low tech Davo, a ZR1 certainly is not :teach:

Think you're smoking something again Tuna.
We're all VERY well aware that at ANY possible opportunity, you try to convince forum members that the C6 is a techno dinosaur that uses leaf spring suspension!
Now it's "high tech"! :confused:
Please explain...:lmao:

[Martin_D]

Please explain...:lmao:

Sure....its got lots of electric stuff so the leaf spring works :)
Hope you understand now :lol: :eek:

[Holden Man]

Worth posting again :bow:

YouTube - ZR1 Drag Race King - Spanks GTR, 599, and GT2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZlGMX8G3B4)

[planetdavo]

It can't work, because it lacks a pair of turbo's and an all wheel drive driveline. :teach:

:lmao:

[Martin_D]

It can't work, because it lacks a pair of turbo's and an all wheel drive driveline. :teach:
:lmao:

Exactly, and thats why they stopped making it :)

[Holden Man]

:rofl: you two need to get a room

[planetdavo]

:rofl: you two need to get a room
Only if he wears leather, calls me Barry, and turns up in a Nissan Micra...

[Martin_D]

It might be all over in Davos pants if I turned up in one of those sexy Epicas :)

[seldo]

.....
Fact is the Americans cant make as good a car as the Japanese. It has been this way since about 1975. The best cars Americas had in the last 20 years have been built in Australia. Dont expect it to change anytime soon :)
Too true! The last Corvette I had was a C5 - POS ! Worst built car I've ever had. If it was Korean built you'd be chucking rocks at it.

[Martin_D]

I road tested one of HSVs RHD evaluation C5s for a Magazine around 5 years ago....I was horrified after driving it. If you believed generic press it was a sports car up there with the best...this is a snippet of what I had to say after a day - (trust me Seldo this is only a snippet, you could probably guess the rest)

"The Corvette never felt at home once the ante was upped. Where the ****** would simply absorb your input and concentrate on channeling the feedback from the wheels to your fingertips, the Corvette simply broke down into a quivering, scuttle shaking, mess. Try and encourage that long nose to change direction quickly, and it would act directly against you by having a weird almost gyroscopic desire to go the other way. Combine this with a steering wheel that was full of random ‘deadspots’ in the racks response, and you can see how the behaviour of the C5 could be best described as unnerving, at worst plain terrible."

Most of the sensible scribblers of the era came around in agreeance after they drove the same revolting car. The yanks kept on loving it :(
Which is why its hard for me to get a woody about a car from a couple of rigged slack jawed Youtube vids from the Motor Trend crew :cool:
Dont expect C6 to be any different, and it is not hard to imagine VE being a far superior real world platform :)

[r8ls1]

quote from one US mag editor

The ZR1 is a rear-wheel drive car that needs significant driver input in order to make it around a track or down the road quickly. It's that involvement, not just ultimate speed, that is its reward. Even if it provides you with better tools to do so than anyone else, the Corvette ZR1 still challenges you to try and exploit its performance; it's the level of that challenge and the level of involvement required to meet it that makes the ZR1 truly special.

of course when it's an advert for GM they would say that :goodjob:

or you can look at it this way,

$100k vette, still only rear wheel drive on leaf springs and can barely muster an 11 in street trim because it cant put the power down. Lambos in the USA are only 150-200k, Euros etc same deal, they are cheap, better, and maybe thats why GM is broke

If you have to drive the ZR1 like its on ice and be 100% focused on what your doing to keep with a GTR or Lambo in the corners, if your idea of a reward is to hit the nearest tree, yeah it's rewarding :lol:

To spend that much coin on a car today in 2009, especially in hoon law capital of the world, better all the gadgetry you can throw at it, 4wd and be able to put some power down from the lights on street rubber, so you can enjoy it on the street without looking like your filming for the new 2009 Smokey and the Bandit movie

ZR1 is typical USA, just like the fighter planes they sell us, decent fast, look cool, but in a real world battle, will lose

GM is a chop short of a real barbecue, a crack pipe too far from a real car, a corn stalk allready chewed, and just like the government bailing them out, they are crooks

How do you like them apples. Shut allready so we can move on............

[pagey]

Bwahahaha.. Camira fan belt. :rofl:

And Seldo.. you stay out of this.. the last t hing a thread like this needs is someone that has actually driven a car in question!

[r8ls1]

Time will tell if they stump the cash up for genuine SEVS approval. $125K for compliance, that kind of rules, especially when there is leaf springs involved........ :lol: :bow:

that's $12,500 to approve the L/H leaf spring, $12,500 to approve the R/H leaf spring, and the remaining $100k to approve the the wobbly RHD conversion and front end :lmao:

[SchrgdVSV6]

Some interesting posts in this thread that for sure! :lol:

The Americans like cheap cars that go fast in a straight line. The Japanese like em turboed with technowizadry, hence the evolution of the GTR/Corvette lineup. Oh and for some reason the yanks seem to think the C5 Z06 is the bee's knees :1peek:

As to which is faster.... faster at what? Corners, straight line, top speed? Paper specs paint one picture, but real life with ordinary drivers can paint an entirely different picture. Driver excitement is a whole different ball game, but if you care about that, you'd be driving something completely different.

Finally the prize here in OZ... a $400K import v $150K domestic (sorry, imported and locally sold model) ;)

[seldo]

I road tested one of HSVs RHD evaluation C5s for a Magazine around 5 years ago....I was horrified after driving it. If you believed generic press it was a sports car up there with the best...this is a snippet of what I had to say after a day - (trust me Seldo this is only a snippet, you could probably guess the rest)

"The Corvette never felt at home once the ante was upped. Where the ****** would simply absorb your input and concentrate on channeling the feedback from the wheels to your fingertips, the Corvette simply broke down into a quivering, scuttle shaking, mess. Try and encourage that long nose to change direction quickly, and it would act directly against you by having a weird almost gyroscopic desire to go the other way. Combine this with a steering wheel that was full of random ‘deadspots’ in the racks response, and you can see how the behaviour of the C5 could be best described as unnerving, at worst plain terrible."

Most of the sensible scribblers of the era came around in agreeance after they drove the same revolting car. The yanks kept on loving it :(
Which is why its hard for me to get a woody about a car from a couple of rigged slack jawed Youtube vids from the Motor Trend crew :cool:
Dont expect C6 to be any different, and it is not hard to imagine VE being a far superior real world platform :):lol: Tuna You must have driven my car! I could not have better put into words your perfect description.....on second thoughts - maybe I wouldn't have been as kind! I've had/owned/or driven 90% of the good cars of the last 40 or so years, and the C5 Corvette would rank well down towards the bottom........unless of course you rate the only techno gadget it has - the "Auto-wank" - it pulls your dick for you whilst you drive it - otherwise you'd never back it out of the garage!

[VX2VESS]

they do look good on the road some vettes esp z06 and up..don't see many older ones as circuit race cars so i guess that says something.

[planetdavo]

they do look good on the road some vettes esp z06 and up..don't see many older ones as circuit race cars so i guess that says something.
Early GT Falcons are simply old pieces of sh!t, yet people pay a fortune for them. :teach:
People like choice. People also don't have to justify their choice if they don't want to. Some will buy a Corvette simply because it ISN'T a Euro or Jap product.

[Martin_D]

And some people will buy a VE Commodore when they learn - and sometimes the hard way like Seldo - that when it comes to building American muscle that isnt a flaccid pile of wobbly rubbish - that Australians do it far better than Yanks :)

Looking at the poster might be cool Davo, but imagine stumping out your hard earned parts desk dough for a car that literally crumbled around you as you drove it within the first year of ownership. Welcome to Corvette and the deep soul searching disappointment that even a short drive brings :cool:

[steves87]

I road tested one of HSVs RHD evaluation C5s for a Magazine around 5 years ago....I was horrified after driving it. If you believed generic press it was a sports car up there with the best...this is a snippet of what I had to say after a day - (trust me Seldo this is only a snippet, you could probably guess the rest)

"The Corvette never felt at home once the ante was upped. Where the ****** would simply absorb your input and concentrate on channeling the feedback from the wheels to your fingertips, the Corvette simply broke down into a quivering, scuttle shaking, mess. Try and encourage that long nose to change direction quickly, and it would act directly against you by having a weird almost gyroscopic desire to go the other way. Combine this with a steering wheel that was full of random ‘deadspots’ in the racks response, and you can see how the behaviour of the C5 could be best described as unnerving, at worst plain terrible."

Most of the sensible scribblers of the era came around in agreeance after they drove the same revolting car. The yanks kept on loving it :(
Which is why its hard for me to get a woody about a car from a couple of rigged slack jawed Youtube vids from the Motor Trend crew :cool:
Dont expect C6 to be any different, and it is not hard to imagine VE being a far superior real world platform :)

ive driven (lesurely, i admit) both lhd and rhd c5 vettes, though not back to back, i have to say there is still a noticable difference in steering quality.... its a shame C5's (or 6) cant be driven round aus in natural form, where my oldie can... i dont know much about that particlar car (hsv rhd vette), i actually thought it was a myth... but you have first hand proof.... can you tell me where i can see the article?


Early GT Falcons are simply old pieces of sh!t, yet people pay a fortune for them. :teach:
People like choice. People also don't have to justify their choice if they don't want to. Some will buy a Corvette simply because it ISN'T a Euro or Jap product.

no. 1 reason i bought mine.... its different.... i knew it wasnt fast and didnt handle up to todays standards, but 20 years ago it was did and was very good.....
though id always take a new c63 amg or audi r8....

[mmciau]

...

Welcome to Corvette and the deep soul searching disappointment that even a short drive brings :cool:

I can recall the late Barry Sheene saying that some vehicles 'handle and perform like shopping centre trolleys!!!!!!!"

I've been around long enough to agree that the production VE Commodore is an infinitely better 'all purpose' handling vehicle that its production predecessors.

regards


Mike McInerney

[r8ls1]

Some will buy a Corvette simply because it ISN'T a Euro or Jap product.

GM failed i think because the euro and jap cars avaialble over there so cheap. ZR1 is not that great with the euro cars available there. once their couple years old it gets even worse for GM, example u see 996 twin turbo with mods that do high 10 sec 1/4s for under 70k usd, s/h gallardos etc are only a bit over 100k. when you see a 50cent or JayZ video clip etc they cruising bentleys and gallardos etc, not vettes. a vette over there is considered like a cheap fun thing because all of the euro luxury and supercars are not out of reach to someone on 100k year there as they are in our country. GM/ford/mopar did the smokey and the bandit RWD leaf spring with 600hp thing in 1970's, they were no1 back then, but now the japs and euros have surpassed them with technology.

[VX2VESS]

if it was cheap i'd buy it yesterday just as a weekend cruiser, i like how they look. and the fact they are different here, not often you see a vette, but a commodore you see one every 2 secs. i don't like being part of the sheep flock, uncommon i like, even if it means a commy with different panels light etc just to be different.

if i wanted the best performance then i'd buy something else

[steves87]

if it was cheap i'd buy it yesterday just as a weekend cruiser, i like how they look. and the fact they are different here, not often you see a vette, but a commodore you see one every 2 secs. i don't like being part of the sheep flock.

if i wanted the best performance then i'd buy something else

I swear i have a different perception of 'performance' to most....:)

although the zr1 may not 'beat' a gtr in both race track times and techno wizardry.... what other car would you buy (other than vette/gtr) for 'best performance' in a similar price ranges.... no putting you down (sometimes words dont come across as others would say it out loud)..... just an honest curiousity....:)

[VX2VESS]

I swear i have a different perception of 'performance' to most....:)

although the zr1 may not 'beat' a gtr in both race track times and techno wizardry.... what other car would you buy (other than vette/gtr) for 'best performance' in a similar price ranges.... no putting you down (sometimes words dont come across as others would say it out loud)..... just an honest curiousity....:)

I wouldn't be looking in that price range...but Audi r8, Porsche maybe. wonder how tunas gtr would go if we snip the wires to all the techno bits

a reasonable price track car, if power and looks wasn't required just handling alone maybe an mx5, lol they do handle well, or a lotus or that little open wheeler thing whatever it was called again.who needs electronics to drive the car for them..next GTR will be hands free

on the other hand if i had 2 million i'm sure i could get a better car than the two subject cars.

[r8ls1]

if it was cheap i'd buy it yesterday just as a weekend cruiser, i like how they look. and the fact they are different here, not often you see a vette, but a commodore you see one every 2 secs. i don't like being part of the sheep flock, uncommon i like, even if it means a commy with different panels light etc just to be different.

if i wanted the best performance then i'd buy something else

i agree, it would be ok to have one if we got it for the yanks pay. but as usual we dont. then again, the gtr not every one has one either. in that motor trend vid, i wonder how fast the gtr is going before the ZR1 catches up. if you give the gtr say 100hp more, which i dont know how easy you can, but the ZR1 would be left way behind. when you cant get traction, whats the point of 640hp. yanks are crooks, that video is a GM add, i can guess you would be doing at least 150kp/h before you get a few car lenghts ahead of that pack

im sick of the yanks and their bs, they are all full of shit. all of hollywood is a big setup owned by the dews to brainwash the masses and make them think the yanks are all cool. all their latest movies have an agenda, when you wake up to it it makes you feel ill.

ZR1 is no differen,t i bet it doesnt even truly comply with emissions like the euros do. the people behind GM own the government. i hope they shut for good.

[steves87]

I wouldn't be looking in that price range...but Audi r8, Porsche maybe. wonder how tunas gtr would go if we snip the wires to all the techno bits

a reasonable price track car, if power and looks wasn't required just handling alone maybe an mx5, lol they do handle well, or a lotus or that little open wheeler thing whatever it was called again.who needs electronics to drive the car for them..

on the other hand if i had 2 million i'm sure i could get a better car than the two subject cars.

:goodjob: i like your suggestions, especially the r8 or lotus....
my uncle used to have a murcelago, too 'hard' to own, keeping it simple is the way to go!
fyi he attempted to get a veyron when they first came out.... even drove one around a track a few times in italia (was apparently the first aussie to do so...)
but he reckoned that the money/performance ratio was not worth it for all the hassle associated with them.... you know getting it here, buying outright, insurance, storage.... not being able to actually drive it!
he also drove a :bow:zonda too, said same thing, ended decieding on a lp640....
wish iu was in on that inheritance.... lucky bastard cousins....

[r8ls1]

i like to see a GTR if they make it not break with the traction on and find say 100 more hp. if the japs make some aftermarket stuff, it will be leave the ZR1 spun out in the corn field crying.

whover first to buy the ZR1 here, it needs you a back window sticker,,,

"whered our $$$trillions go, oh yeah, iraq. now we have to rape the rest of the world with a financial crisis to get our money back. ps: because of GM's lack of money, i am 2wd and leaf sprung, so please dont be alarmed at the tyre smoke"

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/1184/vette.jpg

[planetdavo]

im sick of the yanks and their bs, they are all full of shit. all of hollywood is a big setup owned by the dews to brainwash the masses and make them think the yanks are all cool. all their latest movies have an agenda, when you wake up to it it makes you feel ill.

ZR1 is no differen,t i bet it doesnt even truly comply with emissions like the euros do. the people behind GM own the government. i hope they shut for good.
Dude, you need one SERIOUS chill pill.
This is an enthusiast car forum, not an outlet for all the conspiracy theorists, nutters and disbelievers of government policy in the world. :teach:

[r8ls1]

bring this one over Davo and see what mods the gtr needs to get near it ;)

starting bid $139,500 USD. $155,000 USD buy it now

2009 Corvette ZR1 with 3Z Package
Hennessey ZR700 Upgrade

Power:
705 HP @ 6500 rpm
717 lb-ft Torque @ 2800 rpm

Performance:
0 - 60 mph: 3.1 sec.
1/4 mile: 10.9 @ 136 mph
0-300 km/h (186 mph): 27.5 sec. (stock = 37.8 seconds - yes, this car is 10 seconds quicker to 186 mph!!!)

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Dude, you need one SERIOUS chill pill.
This is an enthusiast car forum, not an outlet for all the conspiracy theorists, nutters and disbelievers of government policy in the world. :teach:
Im 100% fine thanks mate, must be that beer I keep drinking, had the same effect on mel gibson, someone must of put an anti-semetic drug in it :p

[SchrgdVSV6]

bring this one over Davo and see what mods the gtr needs to get near it ;)
The GTR is heavier so its at a disadvantage, but here is an idea of what it can do with some mods...

I would like to announce that the Animal House Racing GTR went 10.88 @133.50 today.
I would like to thank everyone at Cobb tuning for there custom program. Thank you JOHN
We are still running the same map as all the other passes, running a steady 17psi.
We did not use launch control at all.The setup for the GTR is as fallows:
AHR CERAMIC WHEEL BEARINGS
AHR CERAMIC PULLEY BEARINGS
AHR THERMAL GASKET SET
AHR RACE Y PIPE
COBB ACCESS PORT
93 PUMP GAS w/1 gallon 100 oct

We believe the car has more in her but the track is closed for the season.
Thank you all at Nagtroc for the support
Stay tuned for next year with our AHR Godzilla turbo kit

Slip

60' 1.858
330 4.768
1/8 7.137
MPH 106.08
1/4 10.88
MPH 133.50


Another lesser modded one....


Pulled the first GT-R sub 1.5 60ft too. 1.497

We were running the same setup as our previous 10.80 run; just playing with some boost control settings. Mostly offset changes; still running 17psi. Car was running 100OCT. Temperature was about 71. LC was used.
http://www.samuraispeed.com/slip1055.jpg

[r8ls1]

so on pump gas it ET's same as the Henessey (i assume without smokey and the bandit take offs) but does it break, wonder how much power the driveline can hold

would love to see 2 workshops at it, one with GTR, the other with ZR1, and see which one ends up on top with say 50k worth of mods. that would be fun

[VX2VESS]

:goodjob: i like your suggestions, especially the r8 or lotus....
my uncle used to have a murcelago, too 'hard' to own, keeping it simple is the way to go!
fyi he attempted to get a veyron when they first came out.... even drove one around a track a few times in italia (was apparently the first aussie to do so...)
but he reckoned that the money/performance ratio was not worth it for all the hassle associated with them.... you know getting it here, buying outright, insurance, storage.... not being able to actually drive it!
he also drove a :bow:zonda too, said same thing, ended decieding on a lp640....
wish iu was in on that inheritance.... lucky bastard cousins....


i'd like to be looking in that area without caring about the cost, oh well i might inherit enough for a house payment


swap engines when he's not looking

[Sugaris]

So.... hands up all those who can afford either car... :hide:

BTW my hand is down!!

[Martin_D]

Wonder how tunas gtr would go if we snip the wires to all the techno bits

Get hold of a ZR1 and we will line up to find out :)
The spiel for the new GTR in the US is "Anyone, Anywhere, Anytime", and thats pretty much what it is, nothing hoses it in a real world situation, especially not a Vette :cool:


that video is a GM add, i can guess you would be doing at least 150kp/h before you get a few car lenghts ahead of that pack.

That video is a star spangled stageshow, but it keeps everyone happy :)
When we lined up our GTR with a new GT2 for the cover of Wheels last year the GTR was marginally quicker to 200km/h, ahead from a standing start. Not if you watch that video, where the GTR bolts, then the driver lifts to let others past :cool:

Motor Trend have officially recorded 0 - 100km/h @ 3.3 sec in the GTR, and 11.3 down the quarter. By their figures the Vette is almost identical when launched in perfect race track conditions. On anything less than a sticky race track, or when hand build and driven by a pro at the 'Ring the Vette gets chopped. Electronics or not :bow:

The new round of April testing from the Nurburgring will tell all :)

[planetdavo]

So, Tuna's GTR was bog stock for that comparo was it, with not even a tickle of the tune?
I always wondered about that story, considering they said it was a private import supplied by a company out to make money modifying them...:hide:

[Martin_D]

So, Tuna's GTR was bog stock for that comparo was it, with not even a tickle of the tune?
I always wondered about that story, considering they said it was a private import supplied by a company out to make money modifying them...:hide:

Davo you cant be playing with a full parts list on the Microfiche if you consider a company that makes money out of tuning GTRs would go out of their way to make the stock car look faster than it really is. Kinda counterproductive really. The speed limiter was removed, tis all :lol:

Tuned its fast though, bloody fast. In an attempt to explain it, a good launch would feel something like the company Epica with a rocket strapped to it :cool:

[planetdavo]

Question deserved to be asked Tuna.
You go out of your way to promote the GTR whilst simultaneously bagging virtually all GM product on this here GM forum my friend...:)

[Martin_D]

Question deserved to be asked Tuna.
You go out of your way to promote the GTR whilst simultaneously bagging virtually all GM product on this here GM forum my friend...:)

You should go back and read my posts Davo :)
I think the VE series Commodore is the finest GM vehicle made bar none, with the previous VT - VZ providing the basis of the best sports coupe the US has ever seen. Much better than any Corvette ever conceived :cool:

Dont confuse someone having actually driven these cars you post about, and having an educated opinion about them, to be bagging. If you had a steer of a Corvette you too may indeed find it to be a flaccid cup of drool. As you can see the owners of C5s on these forums agreed wholeheartedly :teach:

Brand loyalty, combined with basic ignorance on the subject of which you argue is a dangerous mix to bring to the table Davo however entertaining it may seem to be :)


2009 Corvette ZR1 with 3Z Package
Hennessey ZR700 Upgrade

Go to the Viper forums, search "Hennessey" and see how you go :eek: :(

[planetdavo]

You should go back and read my posts Davo :)
I think the VE series Commodore is the finest GM vehicle made bar none, with the previous VT - VZ providing the basis of the best sports coupe the US has ever seen. Much better than any Corvette ever conceived.

I don't need to re-read some of your posts Mr Tuna, because the number of times you bagged the sh!t out of HSV for bothering with the W427 is pretty easily remembered. :teach:
PS: An Epica is a cheaper Camry competitior, not a competitor for a GTR. Keep things in perspective, rather than being so elitist. :)

[Martin_D]

I don't need to re-read some of your posts Mr Tuna, because the number of times you bagged the sh!t out of HSV for bothering with the W427 is pretty easily remembered. :teach:

Yep, its poor value next to an LS3 Clubsport, which is the best value sports sedan currently on the market, which is why one is still in production, and one not :teach:


Keep things in perspective, rather than being so elitist. :)

Dont worry Davo when you discover toothpaste you too will realise theres life outside the dealership :cool:

[Holden Man]

Yep, its poor value next to an LS3 Clubsport, which is the best value sports sedan currently on the market, which is why one is still in production......:

No mention of the Fraud turbo 6 ?!

The W427 is a keeper and will be remembered as the fastest and badest sedan Australia has produced - move over GTHO (And there is only 200 or less so future values will reflect that)

Infact I reckon it will fetch higher dollars than a "more common" GTR in years to come !



O/T how do reckon the new V8 supercar pace car GTR would go against the V8 supercars over say 3 laps ?

[LSX-438]

I think you're probably right about the 'W' retaining good values, if you are prepared to lock the car up for 20 years, most R35's will be riced out chinatown specials in 10. Although i dunno if the 427 will bring the super big money (doubt it) - i wouldnt mind one in the garage, but not as a track car.

[payaya]

No mention of the Fraud turbo 6 ?!

The W427 is a keeper and will be remembered as the fastest and badest sedan Australia has produced - move over GTHO (And there is only 200 or less so future values will reflect that)

Infact I reckon it will fetch higher dollars than a "more common" GTR in years to come !



O/T how do reckon the new V8 supercar pace car GTR would go against the V8 supercars over say 3 laps ?

GTR, W427, Vett are all brilliants cars in their class.

W427 a saloon
GTR is a sport/race car made for the road
Vett is outright race car for the road with no street compromises.

You cannot compare them to each other as each is good in its own right.

That is your opinion the W427 is will remembered as the "classic" of the future. Thing is when the SV300 was released has just as much "wow" factor as the W427. Look at the vehicle now, its not worth anywhere near its RRP.

The GTR wont get close to a V8 supercar around a race track.


I swear i have a different perception of 'performance' to most....:)

although the zr1 may not 'beat' a gtr in both race track times and techno wizardry.... what other car would you buy (other than vette/gtr) for 'best performance' in a similar price ranges.... no putting you down (sometimes words dont come across as others would say it out loud)..... just an honest curiousity....:)

Considering a Vett would cost upwards of $300k if productions models did make it to Aus, with that sort of cash anything really!!

[Martin_D]

Car values are only what owners make of them. If they talk the car up and lock it in their garage, then one day someone else that wants to talk the car up and lock it in their garage MAY pay good money for it.

For me cars are about the here and the now. They are meant to be driven, not forgiven in the instance that if you dont drive it for 20 years then it might be worth something to someone on a whim. Maybe I've lost the plot though, its highly likely :lol:

I couldnt give two hoots if the car I was driving today was in the dump 20 years later..... :eek:

[r8ls1]

Go to the Viper forums, search "Hennessey" and see how you go :eek: :(
was shit sturring planetdavo with the hennessey. if was looking at a performance coupe tommorrow i buy the gtr without question. dont mistake everyone here having owned an lsx as being one eyed davo's with holden apparel all over the shop


I think you're probably right about the 'W' retaining good values, if you are prepared to lock the car up for 20 years, most R35's will be riced out chinatown specials in 10.

dont want to offend people who have a W427, but if your buying a car to drive it, not hope one day you might sell it for 500k (by then you will probably be dying of cancer) for that coin, the gtr stomps it, every which way. individuality, how individual is a VE sedan with less HP than a heads/cam stroker, versus an imported coupe with technology the yanks only save for their wars (even if GM could make a gtr, they never will)


I couldnt give two hoots if the car I was driving today was in the dump 20 years later..... :eek:

and GM is the perfect candidate for that, but make that 10 years :lol:


The GTR wont get close to a V8 supercar around a race track. dont be placing any large bets on that :lmao:

[Martin_D]

was shit sturring planetdavo with the hennessey. if was looking at a performance coupe tommorrow i buy the gtr without question. dont mistake everyone here having owned an lsx as being one eyed davo's with holden apparel all over the shop

It was more to the point of said American firm having similar kind of operating ethics to 'highly recommended by forum workshops' previous famed sponsor, and all round 'good guy' the owner of the car cleaning company - Will Rob You.


dont be placing any large bets on that :lmao:

10% wet track, and a stock road GTR would murder a purpose built race only V8 Supercar. Our 'light tune' daily drive GTR (on stock Bridgestones) was consistently 2.5 - 2.8 seconds a lap slower at Mallala last week than a five year old Development Series V8 Supercar on old slicks....and that was in the dry :cool:

[planetdavo]

was shit sturring planetdavo with the hennessey. if was looking at a performance coupe tommorrow i buy the gtr without question. dont mistake everyone here having owned an lsx as being one eyed davo's with holden apparel all over the shop

You forgot to mention one eyed conspiracy theorists convinced that we're all about to go to hell, thanks to those "evil" oil barons...:p



10% wet track, and a stock road GTR would murder a purpose built race only V8 Supercar. Our 'light tune' daily drive GTR (on stock Bridgestones) was consistently 2.5 - 2.8 seconds a lap slower at Mallala last week than a five year old Development Series V8 Supercar on old slicks....and that was in the dry
And people reckon I'm one eyed! :lmao:
:goodjob:

[r8ls1]

It was more to the point of said American firm having similar kind of operating ethics to 'highly recommended by forum workshops' previous famed sponsor, and all round 'good guy' the owner of the car cleaning company - Will Rob You.

yeah I know he has ripped people, and his claims can be over indulged.

[Martin_D]

And people reckon I'm one eyed! :lmao:
:goodjob:

Difference is Davo, I do it, not dream it :bow:
Sure beats talking it about it and looking at posters with the sales guys at smoko time :cool:

However credit where credit is due, you are top poster, and as such follow in some illustrious footsteps :goodjob:
Much like the Lawn Mower Man you dont need real world experience when being top poster. Everything you need to know is mentally pre-programmed from the Interweb :bow:

[planetdavo]

Difference is Davo, I do it, not dream it
:goodjob:
I'm not saying your claims aren't true, but the amount of time you spend promoting the GTR brand (with hopeful appearances at your tuning shop no doubt) is pretty obvious.
But, I guess anyone that's makes a healthy profit from forums members for every tune they do can afford to "do it, not dream it", right? :)

[Martin_D]

Too true Davo, the amount of R35 GTR tuning we have booked through the LS1 forums is, well, extraordinary :lol:

I am beginning to understand now though....answer me this. What is the quickest highest performance 'Supercar' you have been in Davo? (serious question) :)

[Oztrack Tuning]

What would be quicker a turbo'd ZR1 or R35 GTR that has been modded?
Interesting to compare two very tastefully modified cars of the above variety in a variety of situations.

[Martin_D]

Bloody hell Oz! Theres a cat amongst the pigeones! :) :eek:
Does it have to keep the Interheater on top of the engine? :lol:

[KPWISHN]

With drag setup or circuit? :lol:

[Oztrack Tuning]

It can do both. I didnt read the thread! :) just posted at the end.

[planetdavo]

Too true Davo, the amount of R35 GTR tuning we have booked through the LS1 forums is, well, extraordinary :lol:
Well, you're on here aren't you, a GTR owner on a Holden forum? :confused:
I vaguely recall a magazine article you "kindly" provided a vehicle for too! :p


I am beginning to understand now though....answer me this. What is the quickest highest performance 'Supercar' you have been in Davo? (serious question) :)
A Lada Niva Spec-V. :bow:

[Martin_D]

Well, you're on here aren't you, a GTR owner on a Holden forum? :confused:

I've owned 3 x GTRs in my time thats true :)
But I've also owned 2 x VX, 1 x VY, 1 x VZ, and 3 x VE LS1/LS2/L98 powered Commodores. All of them crackers in their own way. One supercharged Vortech blown combo, one built engine, one bolt on, one single turbo Gen-T, one single turbo Gen-T1000, one Gen-TT, one Gen-TTR, another Gen-TTR BB. I have road driven, drag raced, competed in CAMs tarmac rally, circuit, and drift events (although not very well re:drift due to drivers lack of talent) in my Commodores. I am thankful to have had these experiences :bow:
You need to bring more to the table than a tired old stock CV8 and a propensity to post on any subject to be an ls1.com.au swaying force Davo :cool:


I vaguely recall a magazine article you "kindly" provided a vehicle for too! :p

Its not as if they were going to use your R35 GTR to test was it :lol: :lol:


A Lada Niva Spec-V. :bow:

Thats an entertaining answer thats for sure - and a description I use to sidetrack bitter internet tyrants, BUT your lack of a genuine answer really does question your ability to maintain any kind of genuine input into a debate on these cars :cool:

BTW Davo your worst nghtmare is now a reality. Forget Freddy Krueger, its this beastie here which will debut at Clipsal and lead the V8 Supertaxis around every time its on the track. Will be funny seeing them trying to keep up if it sprinkles :)
http://www.gtrblog.com/media/blogs/gtrblog/V8Supercars/nissan-pacecar-001.jpg

[Evman]

But I've also owned 2 x VX, 1 x VY, 1 x VZ, and 3 x VE LS1/LS2/L98 powered Commodores.

Meant to be LS3? Curious coz I never expected someone to transplant an LS1 into a VE if that is the case haha.

[Martin_D]

thats a 'global' sentence right there Ev, i.e. the LS1s were in the VX...etc. etc.

However I do have an interesting engine transplant going on in a VE very shortly. It doesnt have any spark plugs, and its not an LS1 :cool:

[Evman]

Ah yeah I see what ya mean now Tuna :) Looked like the LS1/2/98's were all in the VE cars ya owned ;) Doing a diesel conversion?? Sweet!
Or a turbine :confused:

[mmciau]

thats a 'global' sentence right there Ev, i.e. the LS1s were in the VX...etc. etc.

However I do have an interesting engine transplant going on in a VE very shortly. It doesnt have any spark plugs, and its not an LS1 :cool:

Ah, a 'knock, but don't come in!!' engine i guess

Does it have Italian writing in the to-do booklet that goes with it?



Mike

[r8ls1]

BTW Davo your worst nghtmare is now a reality. Forget Freddy Krueger, its this beastie here which will debut at Clipsal and lead the V8 Supertaxis around every time its on the track. Will be funny seeing them trying to keep up if it sprinkles :)
http://www.gtrblog.com/media/blogs/gtrblog/V8Supercars/nissan-pacecar-001.jpg
That's funny, the safety car can stomp the race cars. That's why its not in there racing of course, and why they banned the GTR years ago and called it "V8" supercars. Poor folk, some still think a v8 supercar is the same car you buy at the dealer albeit with some safety gear and stickers :lol: davo would deal with plenty of them on a daily basis

[Martin_D]

Poor folk, some still think a v8 supercar is the same car you buy at the dealer albeit with some safety gear and stickers :lol: davo would deal with plenty of them on a daily basis

Davo is one of them............... :lol: :eek:

[Holden Man]

I had a feeling it could trouble the V8s !

Why hasn't anyone entered one in the production car class yet, are they scared of the EVOs !!
(The 335 is going pretty well)

[Martin_D]

I had a feeling it could trouble the V8s !
Why hasn't anyone entered one in the production car class yet, are they scared of the EVOs !!
(The 335 is going pretty well)

Its over the price cap of $100K or so (the 335i only just scrapes in). Probably a good thing too, as there would be GTR then clean air for a few laps, which makes for boring racing :)

[Holden Man]

Didn't realise there was a price cap (hence no W427 either which would have been a top 5 car I reckon).

Would have been good to see one in the porsche cup ! (or even as a pace car)

[Martin_D]

The current GT category is the best going at the moment
Would be good to see a GTR amongst that lot :cool:

[LSX-438]

Well the first shipment of aussie-spec GTR's will dock at Brisbane in 5 days, and Sydney a week or two later. Can't wait to get mine. So perhaps we'll also see some circulating at weekend warrior meetings in the not too distant future... hint hint. I was out at Oran Park today for the NSW sprint championships and i would hazard a guess the 35 will be quicker out of the box than anything in 2D (and most other classes for that matter). I suspect it will tear a new exhaust for most of the trailered in (dedicated) track cars with all the setup you can imagine. It's (nearly) hear, it's a dinkum factory car, and it doesnt cost $400k. Bring it on.

[Evman]

That's funny, the safety car can stomp the race cars.

You mean the safety car that does Bathurst over 15 seconds slower than a V8 Supercar? What a stomping they're gonna get. As Tuna mentioned before, a wet track would close the gap of course.

[r8ls1]

Well the first shipment of aussie-spec GTR's will dock at Brisbane in 5 days, and Sydney a week or two later. Can't wait to get mine. So perhaps we'll also see some circulating at weekend warrior meetings in the not too distant future... hint hint. I was out at Oran Park today for the NSW sprint championships and i would hazard a guess the 35 will be quicker out of the box than anything in 2D (and most other classes for that matter). I suspect it will tear a new exhaust for most of the trailered in (dedicated) track cars with all the setup you can imagine. It's (nearly) hear, it's a dinkum factory car, and it doesnt cost $400k. Bring it on.

Lucky bugger :) If I didn't just have to spend two r35 gtr's on machines and stuff in the past year for my business, id get one too. Just have to wait a while longer. what do they cost exactly, 150k on road, or more/less?

just found this article

Hold your breath just a little longer... Lets say, until April, 2009. That is the confirmed arrival date of the Skyline R35 GT-R.

Well, at least we have pricing to keep us going: $148,800 in standard spec, and $152,800 for the Premium model.

Nissan has confirmed local spec, which includes the 'Multi Function Meter', or basic telemetry setup, which measures lateral-G, acceleration, braking, et cetera.

Premium dollars adds two-tone grey 20-inch forged aluminium wheels wrapped in Bridgestone Potenza run-flat performance tyres (replacing Dunlop SP Sport), 30Gig 11-speaker BOSE audio, and driver/passenger leather seats with red alcantara highlights.

The GT-R R35 will be sold through 11 nationwide Nissan 'high performance centre' dealerships with a six-colour palette: Silver, Red, Gun Metallic, Black, Titanium and Ivory Pearl. Orders will be taken at the Sydney motor show on October 9.

Then you just have to wait another six months for the car...


DEALERS

NSW Campbelltown

Brookvale

VIC Ferntree Gully

Werribee

SA Nailsworth

WA Melville

Wangara

QLD Moorooka

Southport

Mackay

TAS Hobart

I think they should have a wider choice of colours.


You mean the safety car that does Bathurst over 15 seconds slower than a V8 Supercar? What a stomping they're gonna get. As Tuna mentioned before, a wet track would close the gap of course.
mod it and see where the v8 supercar goes

[Martin_D]

I think the bill is around $170K drive away or near enough to it at retail level for a Premium spec. Rumour is dealers will be charging $10K dealer delivery on each car to make up having to buy a hoist and a nitrogen fill station to be 'GTR' approved :eek:

[LSX-438]

anyone who thinks a modded GTR will be a match for a $500k~$1m V8SC (with a team of sundry engineers and gophers) is on something i would like to be on... The GTR is good, GT3 and (maybe) GT2 good, but not that good :)

And FWIW, the first batch of GT-R's were sold out months ago. Production was also cut by about 50%, a few people have missed out. The base price dealers pay for a GT-R is about $120k aussie, by the time you add LCT, DD etc. and the markup it's $170k as mentioned. The fact they can land that sort of device here for $120k (or less) to a dealer speaks volumes, expecially given the FX rates atm.

[Martin_D]

Its pretty sad how the Rockafellers (our governments masters right r8ls1?) take a $40K-$50K slice of the cake on these cars. Nearly as vomit inducing as the $125K private compliance fee on a ZR1. Surely a pushbike chain and dash repair cant cost that much! :eek:

[r8ls1]

anyone who thinks a modded GTR will be a match for a $500k~$1m V8SC (with a team of sundry engineers and gophers) is on something i would like to be on... The GTR is good, GT3 and (maybe) GT2 good, but not that good :)

Honestly, the only thing I'm on right now is 20,000 year old bore water, with no flouride and crap in it. And I want to keep it, unlike the unfortunate poor folk on the murray river who have had their supply cut off. Honestly I have no clue as to how fast, and dont care what a road car does versus a current v8 supercar around bathurst ;) Are you saying nissan is only selling a limited no, and no more? I have not looked into it.

Tuna, it is unfortunate yes that we pay a bunch of money in taxes for these cars compared to other countries.

[LSX-438]

Honestly, the only thing I'm on right now is 20,000 year old bore water, with no flouride and crap in it. And I want to keep it, unlike the unfortunate poor folk on the murray river who have had their supply cut off. Honestly I have no clue as to how fast, and dont care what a road car does versus a current v8 supercar around bathurst ;) Are you saying nissan is only selling a limited no, and no more? I have not looked into it.

Tuna, it is unfortunate yes that we pay a bunch of money in taxes for these cars compared to other countries.

Nissan are selling a limited about of GT-R's only. It is limited to the number they can sell.

But seriosuly, yes production has been cut - not through any vision of limited runs though. They have cars stocked up the wazoo sitting around they dont know what to do with (probably like most other car makers).

[STATIE]

Bah - any LSX car with a 220/220 cam will chop both of these things around the ring & dragstrip, whilst using half the fuel & zero emissions - everyone on here knows that & at 25% of the cost.

[Martin_D]

Exactly, just like Davos got his CV8 ready to go as a stand in car should the Kelly Boys run into trouble at Clipsal this week :bow:

[Evman]

mod it and see where the v8 supercar goes

It's not modded though is it.

[Martin_D]

Since its pretty much freely admitted that the ZR1 is a hopeless bucket of bolts now the poor old Datsun has to shape up against a V8 Supercar? Not really fair is it, a real comparison would be with one of these little numbers......and then it would be seen what a nasty slow old dinosaur a V8 Supercar really is :eek:
http://www.gtrblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/fiagtgtr-silverstone.jpg
Now thats a badass ride :bow:

[r8ls1]

It's not modded though is it.
apples with apples. tuna answered for me :cool:


Exactly, just like Davos got his CV8 ready to go as a stand in car should the Kelly Boys run into trouble at Clipsal this week :bow:
He's a jack of all trades he is.

[Carby]

Since its pretty much freely admitted that the ZR1 is a hopeless bucket of bolts now the poor old Datsun has to shape up against a V8 Supercar? Not really fair is it, a real comparison would be with one of these little numbers......and then it would be seen what a nasty slow old dinosaur a V8 Supercar really is :eek:
http://www.gtrblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/fiagtgtr-silverstone.jpg
Now thats a badass ride :bow:

The "bucket of bolts ZR1" does quite well in the Le Mans series and has real credilbility dukeing it out with the Aston Martins, Porches and Maserati's - be interesting to see how a highly complicated "bucket of circuit boards" goes on the world racing stage.

[Martin_D]

The "bucket of bolts ZR1" does quite well in the Le Mans series and has real credilbility dukeing it out with the Aston Martins, Porches and Maserati's - be interesting to see how a highly complicated "bucket of circuit boards" goes on the world racing stage.

There you go I had no idea ZR1 was even homologated for the ALMS series......oh hang on its not......Bzzzzzt. Wrong :lol:
Like whenever Corvette has entered production racing in Australia where the car has to actually have some of the car in it. Anyone remember how they went? Not very bloody well. The Nations Cup C5R rarely ever finished a race. It was mainly in pieces on the side of the track :eek:

[Carby]

OK C5-R's and C6-R's, Have heaps of Corvette parts in it - even had a Nat Geo Documentary about them.

The R-35 incarnation is a great car - but it's racing credentials have yet to be earned.

[Martin_D]

Pay that one 100% Carby :cool:

[planetdavo]

It's not modded though is it.
I've polished the paint....:lmao:
And maybe one or two other things have had a tickle. :)

[Evman]

apples with apples.

No, you said the pace car can chop the race cars.


That's funny, the safety car can stomp the race cars.

See. You compared the apples to oranges and got it wrong. However I suppose you'll say that it's not the point now.

[Martin_D]

Dont worry about talking to r8ls1 on the subject of cars to flip him over the edge...what I can tell him is I was down the Clipsal track today doing some 'things' and guess who runs the infrastructure for the event.....KBR (or at least it was their logo on every corporate paper). That should wind him up :bow:

[r8ls1]

Dont worry about talking to r8ls1 on the subject of cars to flip him over the edge...what I can tell him is I was down the Clipsal track today doing some 'things' and guess who runs the infrastructure for the event.....KBR (or at least it was their logo on every corporate paper). That should wind him up :bow:
I can no longer tell if your taking the piss or not so I won't comment, don't care either way, the camshaft thread was a bit of fun so I ran with it :cool:

Evman, OK it cant chop a purpose built taxi bodyshell, a big waste of time taxi bodyshell at that, but it will chop any pile of GM junk sold for the public road. happy? :)

[Evman]

Edited. Well and truly over the thread now.

[r8ls1]

I think we all are. Must have been those GE Turbojets dumping something in the air the last few days, Tuna went all Robbie Williams on us. Next thing you know he'll be on the ATS forum as Street_Believer pimpin for tunes :jester: If he was just baiting me, I dont care, it was funny stuff :bow:

Watch out for that Halliburton KBR tap water, it's full of ALCOA aluminium waste :eek:

[Martin_D]

And that is true.................. :(
Rumour has it that Halliburton own the company that developed many ZR1 pieces. Truly! :eek:

[r8ls1]

All the more reason not to buy a ZR1 :)


I was down the Clipsal track today doing some 'things' and guess who runs the infrastructure for the event.....KBR (or at least it was their logo on every corporate paper). That should wind him up :bow:
I'm not suprised, neither is this bloke...

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:to4eBd8DfyoJ:www.yourdemocracy.net. au/drupal/node/1004+%22SA+water%22+Halliburton+site:au&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6

And just to keep the forum happy, I'll stay on topic. The KBR ZR1 with a 260 cam will chop the R35 any day of the week, all on 8 Litres/100 of rockefeller ultimate. With a 280 cam it will chop it even further on 7.5 Litres/100. But the GTR with a 220 cam, it's all over for the KBR peg leg dinasour...... :wave:

[Martin_D]

There was a rumour - albeit a rumour - of someone having one of these ZR1s at the Clipsal this year in Murray Walkers Extreme Machines. I hate to say it but the rumour didnt sprout reality :(

However this thread shows if nothing else how IF someone did fork for a ZR1 and do the necessary paperwork to import/comply the thing, then it would be a genuine one-off and unique ride in this country. Put aside that it might drive a bit ordinary, there is a very slim chance of ever seeing another one, and to some that exclusivity could be worth it alone :cool:

If anyone on here was serious enough and had the money, we would be more than willing to assist in gaining an approval and pushing down the road to compliance :)

[Ewok]

Can't just import a car from US these days and keep it LHD for the sake of saving a few $k in compliance costs? $120k (think it was) is a bit bloody excessive for a conversion in ANYONES language.

[Martin_D]

Can't just import a car from US these days and keep it LHD for the sake of saving a few $k in compliance costs?

Short answer - NO
Have a look around next time you are idling at the lights and count the new LHD performance cars :)

[TLX]

Think I will skip on the first round of GTR's....save up for the GT2 or the next BMW M3 TT:)

[r8ls1]

Dont worry about talking to r8ls1 on the subject of cars to flip him over the edge...what I can tell him is I was down the Clipsal track today doing some 'things' and guess who runs the infrastructure for the event.....KBR (or at least it was their logo on every corporate paper). That should wind him up :bow:

Sure was their logo :) Halliburton KBR created the Clipsal 500 racetrack, and their global infrastructure headquarters are located in.... Adelaide

several quotes below from here ... http://webdiary.com.au/cms/?q=node/701

"KBR.... You don't see their logo pasted around the Clipsal 500 racetrack they created..."

"When you see a United Water van driving in a backstreet it doesn't bear KBR signage, so you're not made aware that the company that was led by Cheney, controls Adelaide's water supply..."

So Tuna if you ever happen to get your hands on a ZR1, show it off at the Clipsal, and feed it tap water, your feeding Halliburton KBR ;) When they help smack Iran or the next towel head for oil, tell the owner of it to feel proud they helped! :eek:

And tell them to vote Rann, see if Jay Weatherill wears his FBI shirt again when they win the election, just like he did at the last election they won. True! :eek:

Maybe SA needs new road signs at the border, you are now entering KBR headquarters, population, mostly unaware!!! :spew:

You were right, it did wind me up, I was holding back.

Back to the GT-R versus ZR1.... With things the way they are, Nissan might take $150k offer? I know, I'll tell them I'm a Halliburton employ and me and Dick (cheney) are old buddies, Dick got together with Bush and Rumsfeld was born, and they hit Iraq for oil. I helped Halliburton KBR with the infrastructure in Iraq, just like the Clipsal, only with guns and murder instead of VE bodyshells and spectators feeding Halliburton KBR $$ to fund wars.

How's that, a nice story to get 20k off a GT-R. Think it'll work? That's how the Rockefellers roll, remember? so I think it might.

Back to ZR1 - GTR, if you get your hands on a ZR1 give me a call and i'll do a big skid infront of Adelaides KBR headquarters with it to show them how good their parts are, reckon they'll tell their puppet Rann to let me off a hoon law for that? don't think so. Build them 640hp, then take them back when you press the throttle. Yep, that's how the Rockefellers roll :teach:

[seldo]

Sure was their logo :) Halliburton KBR created the Clipsal 500 racetrack, and their global infrastructure headquarters are located in.... Adelaide

several quotes below from here ... http://webdiary.com.au/cms/?q=node/701

"KBR.... You don't see their logo pasted around the Clipsal 500 racetrack they created..."

"When you see a United Water van driving in a backstreet it doesn't bear KBR signage, so you're not made aware that the company that was led by Cheney, controls Adelaide's water supply..."

So Tuna if you ever happen to get your hands on a ZR1, show it off at the Clipsal, and feed it tap water, your feeding Halliburton KBR ;) When they help smack Iran or the next towel head for oil, tell the owner of it to feel proud they helped! :eek:

And tell them to vote Rann, see if Jay Weatherill wears his FBI shirt again when they win the election, just like he did at the last election they won. True! :eek:

Maybe SA needs new road signs at the border, you are now entering KBR headquarters, population, mostly unaware!!! :spew:

You were right, it did wind me up, I was holding back.

Back to the GT-R versus ZR1.... With things the way they are, Nissan might take $150k offer? I know, I'll tell them I'm a Halliburton employ and me and Dick (cheney) are old buddies, Dick got together with Bush and Rumsfeld was born, and they hit Iraq for oil. I helped Halliburton KBR with the infrastructure in Iraq, just like the Clipsal, only with guns and murder instead of VE bodyshells and spectators feeding Halliburton KBR $$ to fund wars.

How's that, a nice story to get 20k off a GT-R. Think it'll work? That's how the Rockefellers roll, remember? so I think it might.

Back to ZR1 - GTR, if you get your hands on a ZR1 give me a call and i'll do a big skid infront of Adelaides KBR headquarters with it to show them how good their parts are, reckon they'll tell their puppet Rann to let me off a hoon law for that? don't think so. Build them 640hp, then take them back when you press the throttle. Yep, that's how the Rockefellers roll :teach:There....there...It'll be all right r8ls1....You just forgot to take your tablets....These nice men in white coats will help you.....:shock:

[Martin_D]

Think I will skip on the first round of GTR's....save up for the GT2 or the next BMW M3 TT:)

Thats like saying you will skip the Big Mac for the McGriddle (which is a particulalry violently foul Mcproduct) Tully. Two different burgers, and the M3 at - least this generation - isnt in the same light year as GTR, however may be closer to a well modified VE :eek: :bow:

We lapped a pair of well driven new M3s (one 2 door, one four door) in about eight laps the other day when testing our trans cooler and doing a 10 lap 'push' stint. They are a cruiser, no a sprinter :lol:

There is some method in r8ls1s madness, it really is surprising how few companies own this country outright :)

[r8ls1]

There....there...It'll be all right r8ls1....You just forgot to take your tablets....These nice men in white coats will help you.....:shock:
And that mentality there, is why those few companies own us outright... :lmao:

I'll send Jay a DEA shirt to wear this time.....

[steves87]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5gyUCOD-tc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ecorvetteracing%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded

you've all seen it, but just to re-assure you its still a skilless pos with hardly enough gizmos to make it go...:)

[payaya]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5gyUCOD-tc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Ecorvetteracing%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded

you've all seen it, but just to re-assure you its still a skilless pos with hardly enough gizmos to make it go...:)

The mentality of americans is all the same. Design a car as light as possible and have an engine as large as possible. Its not a hard process I guess! The GTR is not in the same league for power to weight and its only 3 seconds is not much over a 7+ minute circuit. If the ZR1 had the GTR gearbox which is one of its gizmos the ZR1 would be a much quicker car.

If Nissan gave the world a car similar to a ZR1 then I would imagine it would have been a huge disappointment to the world! The ZR1 is a fast car but its not most of the world is after.

[steves87]

The mentality of americans is all the same. Design a car as light as possible and have an engine as large as possible. Its not a hard process I guess! The GTR is not in the same league for power to weight and its only 3 seconds is not much over a 7+ minute circuit. If the ZR1 had the GTR gearbox which is one of its gizmos the ZR1 would be a much quicker car.

If Nissan gave the world a car similar to a ZR1 then I would imagine it would have been a huge disappointment to the world! The ZR1 is a fast car but its not most of the world is after.

no doubts, but in that respect.... and forgetting the whole gtr vs zr1 for a second.... did nissan make the gtr that much better over the previous model as Chevrolet made the zr1 better than its previous model?
honest question.....

like if you compare the z06 times to zr1, there is (from memory) about 15-20 second difference in it.... what is the previous r34 to 35 time difference?
im interested

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html

just found this site.... almost answers my questions... i imagine the gtr r34 times are done by just some regular journo....

[SchrgdVSV6]

what is the previous r34 to 35 time difference?
im interested

http://www.fastestlaps.com/track2.html

just found this site.... almost answers my questions... i imagine the gtr r34 times are done by just some regular journo....
The link doesnt seem to work for me, but the R34 -> R35 difference should be about 25s over the 'Ring. Thats expected though, as the R35 is a leap over the R34 in terms of chassis, body, driveline and ultimately cost.
Anyway, I dont think Nissan gave a hoot about what Chevvy are doing with the ZO6/ZR1 when they built the R35. Porsche has always been their target. To even have comparisons against the 1450kg/640hp ZR1 speaks alot about the impact the 1750kg/480hp GTR is have in the automotive world.

[steves87]

The link doesnt seem to work for me, but the R34 -> R35 difference should be about 25s over the 'Ring. Thats expected though, as the R35 is a leap over the R34 in terms of chassis, body, driveline and ultimately cost.
Anyway, I dont think Nissan gave a hoot about what Chevvy are doing with the ZO6/ZR1 when they built the R35. Porsche has always been their target. To even have comparisons against the 1450kg/640hp ZR1 speaks alot about the impact the 1750kg/480hp GTR is have in the automotive world.

very true, i sometimes wonder how the whole zr1 vs gtr debate came around, its like comparing grandmothers.....:spew:

[r8ls1]

very true, i sometimes wonder how the whole zr1 vs gtr debate came around, its like comparing grandmothers.....:spew:
Because the wanks have been ripped a new deep fried pizza thanks to the gt-r, and their ego is writing cheques their 2wd dinosour body can't cash, so they come up with bs orchestrated motor trend videos versus the gt-r all over the net... just like their bs orchestrated wars... and bs orchestrated hollywood movies... and bs orchestrated elections... and bs orchestrated terrorist attacks
________________________________________________
thefreedictionary.com
Orchestrated; To arrange or control the elements of, as to achieve a desired overall effect: orchestrated a successful political campaign.

[Martin_D]

and....how is the Orchestra? :eek:

[steve_t]

very true, i sometimes wonder how the whole zr1 vs gtr debate came around, its like comparing grandmothers.....:spew:

Isn't the ZR1 the fastest production street car around the 'ring? I know the Viper ACR was faster but that doesn't count since it's a production race car...
Isn't that why the comparision is there?

[Martin_D]

Give it around 3 weeks and the one-off factory special ZR1 Nur car is going to be beaten yet again by something 300kg heavier, with less power....and a lot less orchestra, not the Woodwind, but the leafspring string section :lol:

[r8ls1]

and....how is the Orchestra? :eek:
They're making a new CD with JayZ's Rocafella records...

which funnily predicted the financial crisis and stock market crash 2 years before it happened....

No clouds in my storms
Let it rain, I hydroplane in the bank
Coming down with the Dow Jones :1peek:
When the clouds come we gone, we Rocafella :1peek:
She fly higher than weather
And G5’s are better, You know me,
an anticipation, for precipitation. Stacked chips for the rainy day
Jay, Rain Man is back with little Ms. Sunshine
Rihanna where you at?


...and a lot less orchestra, not the Woodwind, but the leafspring string section :lol:

:lol: :lol:

[Martin_D]

Having spent the last three days at Clipsal with our cars its been interesting to say the least. First up, if KBR have the catering contract then they deserve kudos as the Corporate Box food has been great. Hats of to Cheney and the Bush family as there was some excellent tucker for lunch over the three days. Another highlight was being a guest of the Deputy Premier in the South Australia Suite :bow: :cool:
http://www.ls1turbo.com.au/pics/clipsal1.jpg
They also provided an excellent safe display area for the two cars we had there, one of course being the giant Datsun, and excellent security and general facilities, even some free Rockerfella 98 for the tank. Very impressive indeed....however something didnt sit right....and then Little Lord who was working PSD at the event for us spotted his opposite number scoping out the GTR whenever it was on the track and taking instructions from his ear piece, there really could be a higher force at work....busted :lol: :eek:
http://www.ls1turbo.com.au/pics/deaspook.jpg

[planetdavo]

What about Street Tuna vs r8ls1 around the 'Ring...?
Street Tuna in the Yakuza tuned GTR all wheel drive mountain bike vs r8ls1 in the Rockefella tuned Corvette bmx...

[Martin_D]

and you could turn up in that really cool Epica you keep telling us about :lol: :lol: :lol: :eek:

[planetdavo]

For some really hard to figure out reason Mr Tuna, you appear to be the one telling everyone that I keep saying that, rather than myself.
Go easy on the fumes at Clipsal mate. They'll start messing with your mind. :)

[Martin_D]

For some really hard to figure out reason Mr Tuna, you appear to be the one telling everyone that I keep saying that, rather than myself.

Did you or did you not post this little pearl of automotive experience and wisdom Davo? -


I wouldn't be so quick to jump on the Epica bashing wagon.
I've driven one a bit lately, a Turbo Diesel CDTi, and it's pretty well made, not to mention taking the smile off a few fully sik tossers off the lights!

A brave attempt at giving the Epica some genuine performance credentials. Attempting to talk up the performance of a 9 second 0-100km/h indicates that this discussion may have you out of your depth Davo :lol:

[planetdavo]

Did you or did you not post this little pearl of automotive experience and wisdom Davo? -

A brave attempt at giving the Epica some genuine performance credentials. Attempting to talk up the performance of a 9 second 0-100km/h indicates that this discussion may have you out of your depth Davo :lol:
I compared it to it's natural competition in one other post, a Toyota Camry. You ever heard of them? :lmao:
You should stop being a elitist snob Mr Tuna, and understand that many different classes exist, not just the ones you like. Then, you might stop using very, very cheap shots to bait me. :)

[r8ls1]

Cha ching, Tunas agenda is finally revealed, he's hanging with the KBR gang :diddy: I knew something was up, and was wondering when he'd spill the beans.


Hats of to Cheney and the Bush family as there was some excellent tucker for lunch over the three days. Another highlight was being a guest of the Deputy Premier in the South Australia Suite :bow: :cool:

A wise man once said, If you can't beat em, join em! :yup:


What about Street Tuna vs r8ls1 around the 'Ring...?

Only if he invites his friends. I'll bring the CIA FBI and DEA shirts for the labor boys. Ask Foley and gang what size they wears and get back to me...

[Martin_D]

You should stop being a elitist snob Mr Tuna.... :)

Only if you promise to stop being an all out dickhead. Deal? :lol:
You did state quite clearly that you used the all out performance of the Epica to win street races....and it wasnt compared to the Camry, as there are not too many 'fully sik' types drive them, unless they are other dealer staff such as yourself :cool:


Cha ching, Tunas agenda is finally revealed, he's hanging with the KBR gang :diddy: I knew something was up, and was wondering when he'd spill the beans....

Go the Subcorp, and Go the "SA The Defence State" Plates. I will get some for my KBR water fuelled ZR1 to make it truly complete :)

[planetdavo]

Only if you promise to stop being an all out dickhead. Deal? :lol:
Ohhhh, come on Mr T, I still love you... :bawl:

[Martin_D]

Well then put your DEA T-shirt on and make us all happy :cool:
(Dealership Enema Academy)

[r8ls1]

Go the Subcorp, and Go the "SA The Defence State" Plates. I will get some for my KBR water fuelled ZR1 to make it truly complete :)
Done :cool: We'll go mud racing between the rows of KBR nut crops at the murray, shouldn't be too hard to find, all the others crops will be bulldozed, with the land flat and ready for KBR to move in and plant :woohoo:

[Martin_D]

Regardless, they put on an excellent feed :)
Greek lamb, chicken skewers, a selection of Kranski with some light tossed salads and a remarkable SA Chardonnay. Really if thats what its all about, whats so wrong with it all? :)

[r8ls1]

You should stop being a elitist snob Mr Tuna, and understand that many different classes exist, not just the ones you like. Then, you might stop using very, very cheap shots to bait me. :)
It's good fun when you know he's baiting :) Wouldn't be so fun if you didn't.


Regardless, they put on an excellent feed :)
Greek lamb, chicken skewers, a selection of Kranski with some light tossed salads and a remarkable SA Chardonnay. Really if thats what its all about, whats so wrong with it all? :)
Is what what's all about... You've lost me :) Hope it wasn't a Mitolo wine, they'll put a road through their vineyards next...

[Kuzman89]

So the ZR1...

wooo?

[r8ls1]

:)
So the ZR1...

wooo?

Yes, the GT-R vs ZR1 :) That's what we're here for, Yakuza vs Rockefeller, sushi vs apple pie

Tuna, I know 100% what you are getting at with the last statement, like my attempt at ignorance? Seeing you're so curious, I'll tell you what's so wrong with it...

Food and water is one small part of the elite takeovers, use the food as an example seeing you mentioned it, what's so wrong with it all, ask the food producers on the murray. It wouldn't be nice if the government shut down your tuning and performance workshop, after spending some cool millions on infrastructure, would it? That's what it's about, hard working private/family businesses of all kinds getting shut down and shaken out...

Most wage earners need not care, doesn't make much difference who their boss is, most will probably still have a job.

It's not in our best interest to have everything that exists monopolised to 10 elite families... but I guess that's too much for y'all to understand, where's that crayon and hammer homer uses...

[LSX-438]

Hey guys

anyone Sydney might want to get down to Oran Park today and watch a Z06 battle against Evo's and GT-R's (including an R35):

http://www.superlap.com.au/news/american-muscle-to-tackle-jap-and-euro-performance

Should be fun to watch, i think the R35 will have decent rubber this time.

http://www.superlap.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/corvette02.jpg

http://i74.photobucket.com/albums/i276/photosbyaeron/08%20Superlap%20July/_AJN6500.jpg

[r8ls1]

I like that colour and angle on the R35, makes the vettes look somewhat old school now.

[Hi Octane]

Is that Hi octanes (not me) R35 & Vette?

Lucky Fooker.

[r8ls1]

Both have the stickers, so probably.

[Martin_D]

GTR Edges out ZR1 as World Performance Car of the Year
http://www.wcoty.com/media/?release=47&year=2009

More interesting though is the Top 3 places in the Mobil 1 WCOTY Performance Car Challenge, are all factory fill with Mobil 1. Whats your take on this r8ls1? :cool:

[Holden Man]

GTR Edges out ZR1 as World Performance Car of the Year
http://www.wcoty.com/media/?release=47&year=2009

More interesting though is the Top 3 places in the Mobil 1 WCOTY Performance Car Challenge, are all factory fill with Mobil 1. Whats your take on this r8ls1? :cool:

Yeah but we all know Mobil 1 is " Chosen by more original equipment manufacturers than any other oil brand, Mobil 1 is the world’s leading synthetic motor oil. Additional information about Mobil 1 and other ExxonMobil lubricants can be found at www.mobil1.com. "

Your not implying it's just a Mobil 1 funded ad where they pick out 3 of the most "popular" performance cars that they know most teenage car lovers will like. Then name one as the best but also point out that it uses Mobil 1, so you think that Mobil 1 is roolly good 'n' stuff.

I can't beleive they didn't mention the W427

[SV346]

I compared it to it's natural competition in one other post, a Toyota Camry. You ever heard of them? :lmao:
You should stop being a elitist snob Mr Tuna, and understand that many different classes exist, not just the ones you like. Then, you might stop using very, very cheap shots to bait me. :)

Car sales talk :) you poor dear, is the internet hurting you? only teasing, but you do get into alot of arguements here, maybe its best you dont say anything if it isnt productive to a conversation and same goes to everyone?

[clubbie]

The jurors voted in January 2009 in order to establish a top ten shortlist. The 2009 World Performance Car was chosen from those finalists as tabulated by the international accounting firm KPMG.

WCOTY's jurors observed that the “Nissan GT-R stole the headlines in the sports car world in 2008. This GT-R – the R35 – throws even former GT-Rs into the weeds via an all-new 3.6-liter bi-turbo V-8 providing 480 horsepower and 430 pound-feet of torque.

World PCOTY chosen by accountants:bravo:....that means next years winner will be the 2010 Epica diesel.:rofl:

They really went to town on the specs for this very special GTR losing .2ltr and gaining 2 cyl.....no wonder it won:rofl:

[hsv-105]

These GTR-s are absolute weapons.

I had one sitting up me arse on the front straight at Phillip Island last Sunday.

I was just pulling away but come the corners he was all over me.

The GTO is around 450rwkw but it couldn't shake the GTR { driver ability may have played a factor }

Awesome car :goodjob:

[mmciau]

And here is a link to one that is not too well!!!!!!

09 NISSAN GTR R35 SKYLINE CRASH TOTALED , DEATH OF - Car Videos on StreetFire (http://videos.streetfire.net/video/09-NISSAN-GTR-R35-SKYLINE_645151.htm)

Mike

[mustanger]

AHHHHHH, That will buff out ......:jester:

[TLX]

These GTR-s are absolute weapons.

I had one sitting up me arse on the front straight at Phillip Island last Sunday.

I was just pulling away but come the corners he was all over me.

The GTO is around 450rwkw but it couldn't shake the GTR { driver ability may have played a factor }

Awesome car :goodjob:


It was me driving it behind you Mark:rofl:

[NickS]

These GTR-s are absolute weapons.

I was lucky enough to take one for a spin yesterday ... it's quite a car, would love to try one on a track.

:bow:

[CarlFST60L]

I was lucky enough to take one for a spin yesterday ... it's quite a car, would love to try one on a track.

:bow:

What would you think of it as a daily? Is it something you could easily drive every day?

[Martin_D]

A quick pick of our GTR at Clipsal. Enough pace through turn 5 (I think) to distort the RE070R tyres, but easy enough to control that the driver can 'fat arm' out the window :lol:
http://www.willallracing.com.au/images/default/home.jpg


What would you think of it as a daily? Is it something you could easily drive every day?

Being a Datsun you would expect so :)

[CarlFST60L]

Being a Datsun you would expect so :)

So, as a daily car for around the city, what would you give it out of 10? And as a comparison, a C63 or something similar?

I think its well established they are a track weapon, but so is an EVO, and I sure wouldn't have a new EVO as a daily.

[Martin_D]

5.....but it all depends what you are used to. Compared to a VE its a PITA, compared to a Ferrari its quite a daily :)

[CarlFST60L]

5.....but it all depends what you are used to. Compared to a VE its a PITA, compared to a Ferrari its quite a daily :)

So I take it the C63 would be a mile ahead for a daily?

[Martin_D]

Absolutely....the C63 is a luxury sedan :lol:

[CarlFST60L]

Absolutely....the C63 is a luxury sedan :lol:

Yeah, this is why I asked, I havnt actually driven the R35, for all I know its silky smooth to drive, handles bumps easily, then turns into a monster in track mode.

[Martin_D]

The R35 can be a bit of a coarse thing on the road, having said that anything that fast kind of has to be :cool:

[pagey]

I'd have a stab that there would still be few $$ worth of parts in that wreck....? :confused:

1 X GTR steering wheel please.

[LSX-438]

The R35 can be a bit of a coarse thing on the road, having said that anything that fast kind of has to be :cool:

Exactly.

Don't buy the R35 expecting a plush experience. It does have a bit of 'animal' about it, a tad gruff yes. All that is quicky forgiven if you are interested in what this car is really about though. Having said that, it's a bit of a change compared to a 260ish cammed LS7 i must say.

[Martin_D]

You must be impressed by the build quality after the Munro :)

[LSX-438]

Build quality is great on the R35, definetely a step up from Munro, a big step up. Although the munro was almost 5 years old. Compared to my WM it's still much better still, although the gap isnt quite as wide. Given the R35 is multiple times the price, as you would expect. A couple of gripes with the aussie GTR though: no CF slot, no auto-headlights (WTF?) & no satnav!

Anyway, minor quibbles. All forgiven on the first 1g+ turn :)

[Martin_D]

You know after 7 months of ownership I wouldnt have a clue if our 'black' had auto headlights or not.....it does have a CF slot though, not that it has ever been used :lol:

[awddynotodd]

I installed a Dyno in Singapore a week ago, and after a few hours of initial training on a current model STI, guess what was the first customer car to go on the dyno, a bog stock R35, made the usual 300AWKW I've seen before.
It came back a few days later I'm told with some ECU upgrade, only made a few extra Kw's top end, but a fair bit in the mid range.
I think I overheard these things are about $300,000 in Singapore due to the massive car taxes over there.
http://users.tpg.com.au/adslmqf3/car_photos/ubergtr.jpg

[Martin_D]

Where were you MB Motors?...or Maximus? :)

[NickS]

What would you think of it as a daily? Is it something you could easily drive every day?

I could happily drive it every day ... but I probably wouldn't.

If ultimate pace is what you're after, go the R35 ... if you want the nicest daily at the same price, there are probably better options.

Having said that, after all the negative press about the way they ride it was actually a lot better than I expected.

[awddynotodd]

Where were you MB Motors?...or Maximus? :)

Uber Garage.

[6LtrLimo]

I installed a Dyno in Singapore a week ago, and after a few hours of initial training on a current model STI, guess what was the first customer car to go on the dyno, a bog stock R35, made the usual 300AWKW I've seen before.
It came back a few days later I'm told with some ECU upgrade, only made a few extra Kw's top end, but a fair bit in the mid range.
I think I overheard these things are about $300,000 in Singapore due to the massive car taxes over there.
http://users.tpg.com.au/adslmqf3/car_photos/ubergtr.jpg

check out this pic - gtr cruise in singapore a few weeks back.......

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii124/6LTRLIMO/2264S.jpg

mighty impresive IMO.

I might hazard a guess too that the GTR is a bit more than 300k, last year, an 08 Subaru WRX (not STi) was going for around 80k, baring in mind that an 09 Kia Cerato goes for 50k.


check out this pic - gtr cruise in singapore a few weeks back.......

http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii124/6LTRLIMO/2264S.jpg

mighty impresive IMO.

I might hazard a guess too that the GTR is a bit more than 300k, last year, an 08 Subaru WRX (not STi) was going for around 80k, baring in mind that an 09 Kia Cerato goes for 50k.


I stand corrected, looking at the local SG car market - R35 GTR's are on the market for between $289000 - $318000 (new) and $225000 - $255000 (2nd hand)

[pagey]

Haw.. Me rikey lerrry much!

[Martin_D]

Makes the pair of GTRs we have had in for tuning and upgrade work in the last week look very 'entry level' indeed. GTR is huge in Singapore and Hong Kong :eek:
http://www.ls1turbo.com.au/pics/gtrserv1.jpg
Full transmission cooler, midpipe, service :cool:
http://www.ls1turbo.com.au/pics/gtrserv2.jpg
Transmission upgrade, PCM tune, midpipe, service :bow:

[6LtrLimo]

GTR is huge in Singapore and Hong Kong :eek:

Thats what I love about Singapore, the locals happily eat $3.00 hawker center noodles/satay/prata/mee goreng/chilli crab, but wont settle for anything less than a $300k Datsun to churn the guts in 1G+ turns.....

[Martin_D]

I was fortunate enough to spend some time at the Kwun Tong fish markets the other week treated to a seafood feast by our Tsim Sha Tsui clients. Flicking live Scampi, Lobster, and deep sea Groper were all on the menu in sweet chilli dressing, washed down with some frosty Tsing Tao (mainland beer) long-necks....very nice and quite safe :cool:

What isnt so good is the nose-tempting delicacies that make up the entrance to Mongkoks Temple Street 'Poor Mans' market. Tasty giblets of soy dipped pigs intestine and deep fried spiced entrail certainly smell good when broiling away in the rusty drums on the side of the road, but pack a lethal punch that doesnt require the lateral G of a well driven GTR to entice back out of the stomach.....or the other end for that matter :lol:

[6LtrLimo]

where did you dine awddynotodd ?

nothing worse that guzzling Mylanta or swilling Gastrolyte for 3 days after a gastronomic excursion to these asian food vendors that often dont initially agree with our western bellys....

[Martin_D]

Todd seems like the adventurous type to me.....so I am tipping a Hawkers market could have provided some of the culinary fare, yet not the one that killed a pair of tourists lately with a nasty dose of intestinal bugs :cool:

[awddynotodd]

where did you dine awddynotodd ?

nothing worse that guzzling Mylanta or swilling Gastrolyte for 3 days after a gastronomic excursion to these asian food vendors that often dont initially agree with our western bellys....

We ate one night at Newton Circus, only because I went there 20 years ago, put away 30 Satay Sticks plus some other stuff, the other night I have no idea where it was, just some small place by the side of the road, not really a tourist area, they had cold Tiger Beer so I was happy.
What I did have for brekky one morning was the "Soft Boiled Eggs" with my Prawn Noodles, that left me a bit funny in the guts for a while!

[6LtrLimo]

We ate one night at Newton Circus, only because I went there 20 years ago, put away 30 Satay Sticks plus some other stuff, the other night I have no idea where it was, just some small place by the side of the road, not really a tourist area, they had cold Tiger Beer so I was happy.
What I did have for brekky one morning was the "Soft Boiled Eggs" with my Prawn Noodles, that left me a bit funny in the guts for a while!

nothing beats that twisted gurgling gut feeling of being to scared too fart whilst beating a path in the humid moist conditions of Orchard Road searching for the next GTR....

as for 30 satay sticks, was that just your entree ?

how about a nice serving of sambal crab or a hearty plate of mee goreng or bbq shark fin ?

thats what ill be feasting on in a few days time at some hawker center in Singapore.

[Jarhead]

[QUOTE=Street_Tuna;1480205]Makes the pair of GTRs we have had in for tuning and upgrade work in the last week look very 'entry level' indeed. GTR is huge in Singapore and Hong Kong :eek:

Indeed they are. We were travelling from HK island to Kowloon via the tunnel (in a taxi) when 2 dudes racing each other passed us at break-neck speeds. The funny thing is they both planted the brakes just as soon as they past us and then floored it again. They sounded horn as they took off again! Turns out they have fixed speed cameras in the tunel - hence the random brake test.

On another trip we counted 4 R35s on the bus trip from Narita airport to the hotel just 7 km away. The Japs love them too.

[Martin_D]

You have to be careful of the 'fast tunnel' Jarhead as the Central side cabbies love their $40 toll one way and then charge you that again on the way back claiming they cant operate in Kowloon :)

Having said that we had a Tsim Sha Tsui cabbie look after us in a nasty monsoon a couple of weeks back. Being a little early for Harbour City he dropped us off out the front of his favourite Yum Cha joint down on Nathan Rd. Very traditional down to the young punk running the gig not having heard of Australia, but the food was A class. A quick selection of steamed pork bun with the mystery quail egg in the middle, some lightly pickled fish egg, finished off with that Chinese delicacy, steam chicken claw...had the day off to a great (if somewhat queasy and bilious by midday) start :bow:

Then it was time to work on GTR....oh joy :eek:

[cheech09]

I was fortunate enough to spend some time at the Kwun Tong fish markets the other week treated to a seafood feast by our Tsim Sha Tsui clients. Flicking live Scampi, Lobster, and deep sea Groper were all on the menu in sweet chilli dressing, washed down with some frosty Tsing Tao (mainland beer) long-necks....very nice and quite safe :cool:

What isnt so good is the nose-tempting delicacies that make up the entrance to Mongkoks Temple Street 'Poor Mans' market. Tasty giblets of soy dipped pigs intestine and deep fried spiced entrail certainly smell good when broiling away in the rusty drums on the side of the road, but pack a lethal punch that doesnt require the lateral G of a well driven GTR to entice back out of the stomach.....or the other end for that matter :lol:

Hi Tuna,
good to see your a fan of Tsing Tao (mainland beer) long-necks AKA Qingdao beer...... If your ever in China, visit the Qingdao beers festival in October i think from memory.......:cheers:

Soren

[r8ls1]

Indeed they are. We were travelling from HK island to Kowloon via the tunnel (in a taxi) when 2 dudes racing each other passed us at break-neck speeds. The funny thing is they both planted the brakes just as soon as they past us and then floored it again. They sounded horn as they took off again! Turns out they have fixed speed cameras in the tunel - hence the random brake test. On another trip we counted 4 R35s on the bus trip from Narita airport to the hotel just 7 km away. The Japs love them too.
And back in the New World Order testing ground, 3 strikes of "excessive engine noise" and our $170k R35 becomes a xmas present to the Commonwealth. We don't even have to be racing.

Well done Rothschild & government, but don't expect to have your cake and eat it too, there will be consequences. And as for your lame cries for help on '60 minutes' of late, the bottled water fellas stealing from your empire... Can't ban bottled water now can you, you tried, but not enough of an excuse, so instead you try convince the naive watching 60 minutes that your tap water full of a scull&bones flouride, chlorine and **** knows what else you don't tell us about, is better than rain water :lmao: :rofl: :rofl:

Better get some new psychologists in because your current attempts at squashing the australian business folk are becoming very transparent. Anyone who's anyone in the food industry has figured out you are trying to take the murray river and all water resources for yourselves and water has become the "new crude oil". You even showed us on 60 minutes how it's worth more than petroleum. Steps are allready in place of shit going to hit fan Australia wide, it just takes a while for people that matter to realise your 'drought' is a big fat concocted ludicrousy, like father xmas, and your current Commonwealth laws.
Ho Ho Ho mutherf*ckers

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/694/rockefellersanta.jpg

[6LtrLimo]

well as i was saying, the "almost" national dish of singapore, the chilli crab, certainly has a lot of similaritys to the R35 GTR....

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/8543/200409070240xh.jpg

plenty of bite, bucket loads of sizzle and both leave you with a desire for MORE !!!

here, i offer you all a chance to indulge, in at least 1 of the current topics....

SINGAPORE CHILLI CRAB

Preparation Time 10 minutes

Cooking Time 15 minutes

Ingredients (serves 4)
2 tsp peanut oil
4 green (uncooked) blue swimmer crabs
2 garlic cloves, crushed
2 fresh long red chillies (or 1-2 fresh red birdseye chillies for extra heat), finely chopped
1 tbs finely grated fresh ginger
60ml (1/4 cup) tomato sauce
2 tbs sweet chilli sauce
2 tbs dry sherry
1 tbs brown sugar
6 green shallots, ends trimmed, thinly sliced diagonally
1/2 cup firmly packed coarsely chopped fresh coriander
Steamed jasmine rice, to serve
Method
Heat the oil in a large wok over high heat until just smoking. Add the crab and stir-fry for 5-7 minutes or until just cooked (the crabmeat will turn white when cooked).
Add the garlic, chilli and ginger, and stir-fry for 1 minute or until fragrant. Add the tomato and sweet chilli sauces, sherry and sugar, and stir-fry for 2-3 minutes or until sauce boils and thickens slightly. Remove from heat. Add the green shallot and stir until just wilted. Add the coriander and toss until just combined. Spoon steamed rice among serving bowls. Top with chilli crab and serve immediately.
Notes & tips
To prepare green (uncooked) crab: Segment the crab- lift the flap under the crab's body with your thumb. While holding the body firmly with 1 hand, pull off the top part of the shell with the other. Discard the top shell. Remove and discard the spongy, finger-like white gills on either side of the crab's body. Cut the body into quarters. Use a nutcracker to crack the large claws to enable easy removal of crabmeat when serving.

[Martin_D]

And in the other corner we have the meal that made the ZR1..... :bow:
All hail that special American offering the 'Philly Cheese Steak' :lol:
http://users.saferinternet.com/wildebeest/Philly%20Cheesesteak.JPG
Ingredients
6 tablespoons Soya bean oil
1 large onion, sliced
24 ounces sliced rib eye or eye roll steak
Cheese (store processed recommended); American or Provolone
4 crusty Italian Rolls
Sweet green and red peppers, sauteed in oil (optional)
Mushrooms sauteed in oil (optional)
Ketchup
Directions
Heat an iron skillet or a non-stick pan over medium heat and add 3 tablespoons of oil to the pan and saute the onions to desired doneness. Remove the onions and add the remaining oil and saute the slices of meat quickly on both sides. Melt the cheez whiz in a double boiler or in the microwave. Place 8 ounces of the meat into the rolls, add onions, and pour the store-processed cheese over top. Garnish with sweet peppers, mushrooms, ketchup.

Put on the theme song to the first Rocky movie and enjoy.

[r8ls1]

Well all our food will be coming from China very soon, so may as well learn how to eat asian. xcept the woolworks and coleos gear will be 6 months old stored in 'stay fresh' so by the time you eat it, it'll have the nutrients of a cardboard box :rofl:

[mustanger]

And in the other corner we have the meal that made the ZR1..... :bow:
All hail that special American offering the 'Philly Cheese Steak' :lol:
http://users.saferinternet.com/wildebeest/Philly%20Cheesesteak.JPG
Ingredients
6 tablespoons Soya bean oil
1 large onion, sliced
24 ounces sliced rib eye or eye roll steak
Cheese (store processed recommended); American or Provolone
4 crusty Italian Rolls
Sweet green and red peppers, sauteed in oil (optional)
Mushrooms sauteed in oil (optional)
Ketchup
Directions
Heat an iron skillet or a non-stick pan over medium heat and add 3 tablespoons of oil to the pan and saute the onions to desired doneness. Remove the onions and add the remaining oil and saute the slices of meat quickly on both sides. Melt the cheez whiz in a double boiler or in the microwave. Place 8 ounces of the meat into the rolls, add onions, and pour the store-processed cheese over top. Garnish with sweet peppers, mushrooms, ketchup.

Put on the theme song to the first Rocky movie and enjoy.

Stop it Martin, you are making me hungry YouTube - Rocky theme song (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhlPAj38rHc)

[r8ls1]

And in the other corner we have the meal that made the ZR1..... :bow:
All hail that special American offering the 'Philly Cheese Steak' :lol:
http://users.saferinternet.com/wildebeest/Philly%20Cheesesteak.JPG
Ingredients
6 tablespoons Soya bean oil
1 large onion, sliced
24 ounces sliced rib eye or eye roll steak
Cheese (store processed recommended); American or Provolone
4 crusty Italian Rolls
Sweet green and red peppers, sauteed in oil (optional)
Mushrooms sauteed in oil (optional)
Ketchup
Directions
Heat an iron skillet or a non-stick pan over medium heat and add 3 tablespoons of oil to the pan and saute the onions to desired doneness. Remove the onions and add the remaining oil and saute the slices of meat quickly on both sides. Melt the cheez whiz in a double boiler or in the microwave. Place 8 ounces of the meat into the rolls, add onions, and pour the store-processed cheese over top. Garnish with sweet peppers, mushrooms, ketchup.

Put on the theme song to the first Rocky movie and enjoy.
That's why the ZR1 so light, to make up for the driver :lmao: Allthough I should shut up, as we now beat the US as the fattest :eek:

[Martin_D]

Stop it Martin, you are making me hungry

Honestly Muzzy I have picked up better looking things that 'Philly' on the back lawn Sunday morning just before I start the mower....darned pooch :eek:

[LSX-438]

Dear god.

People eat that?

[Martin_D]

Yep my old mate Nurse was eyeing them off in Orlando last year, until finally trying an aged Philly smothered in 2 pounds of assorted American cheeses....true :eek:

[6LtrLimo]

Yep my old mate Nurse was eyeing them off in Orlando last year, until finally trying an aged Philly smothered in 2 pounds of assorted American cheeses....true :eek:

and he wonders why his I.B.S rejects medicinal treatment....

[duke5700]

Got the closest, I will ever get to driving a GTR today. We tried to occupy the same place at the same time. Poor old guy, he was in the left lane and due to road works it just dissappeared from in front of him just after a round about which neither of us seen through(didn't help I was looking at his car). We where both at 20 odd k's an hour so both pulled up with plenty of room. Was a pleasure to wave him through and hold up the traffic behind us.

The car was rather loud, very sort of twin cam RB sounding at high revs or maybe even ferrari revvy. Kind of raspy but refined? Is that the factory pipe setup?

[Martin_D]

Heres a GTR fitted with our Y-pipe arrangement and the factory exhaust. This clip was taken by one of our crazy Czech customers and shows the sound of the package off nicely :lol:
YouTube - WIllall Y-pipe clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aUrB5qsZb0)

[Holden Man]

^ sounded best throught the tunnel (gee it has some pick up!)

[SchrgdVSV6]

Well the 2010 GTR is getting closer to the ZR1s ring time (7:27 v 7:26). They are going to have a few more attempts as they dont seem to be content with the time.
http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/235238/nissan_gtr_breaks_ring_record.html

The more these manufacturers battle it out, the better for the consumer.

P.S. Some FIA GT1 goodness --> http://www.evo.co.uk/news/evonews/235018/nissan_gtr_gt1.html

[Martin_D]

Today it happened - showroom GTR matched the lap time of the ZR1 - at the Nordschliefe with a 7.26....and in the next session Nissan reckon they will go faster and into the 25s. The GT3 was out testing too apparently with a 7.40 :lol:
http://www.gtrblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/nurburgring-20090423-100.jpg
Photo from out Czech customer 'Kislik' :bow:

[LSX-438]

wow. have they tested a spec-v yet?

[Martin_D]

Update:
Might be jumping the gun here but it looks like Tony Quinn has just won 2009 Targa Tasmania in an R35 GTR. A near stock car it led most of the four days, and was up against a pair of ZO6 Corvettes one of which finished in around 50th position over half an hour off the pace. Probably to be expected in real world slippery road conditions :cool:
http://www.gtrblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/targa-tasmania-2009-110.jpg
Pity no ZR1 entries were taken, it could have been a bit closer.....maybe :)

[Martin_D]

GTR WINS ONE LAP OF AMERICA
Another win chalked up to this amazing car. Is there nothing GTR cannot do? :bow:
Decimating a field of heavily modified 600+hp Porsches, Corvettes, and other exotica a near stock GTR dominates the toughest tuner war in America, the 'One Lap'. Awesome looking event BTW :cool:
http://www.gtrblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/onelap-motortrend-002.jpg


1 3 Nissan GT-R SSGT1 BB 5215
Steven Rankins, Will Taylor
2 1 Porsche 996 GT2 SSGT1 BB 5010
Peter Lier, Ian Stewart
3 6 BMW M3 SSGT1 SB 4960
Catesby Jones, Jose Collado
4 4 Subaru Impreza WRX MidPri Sed 4955
Tony Wiesenhahn, Tony Barber
5 25 Chevrolet Z06 Corvette SSGT1 BB 4725
Dan Corcoran, Bill Smith

6 17 Ultima GTR SSGT1 BB 4565
Carl Warren, sam kimberley-bryant
7 21 BMW Dinan M5 Luxury Sed 4455
Jonathan Czarny,
8 10 Audi S-4 Luxury Sed 4430
Norman Babcock, Mike Babcock
9 16 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 SSGT1 BB 4310
Dick Clark, Jerry Clark
10 12 BMW M3 Luxury Sed 4270
Mike Schnell Renner, Dwayne "CurvFun" Mosley, Steve Maguire

11 29 porsche 911 turbo SSGT1 BB 4220
Rene von Richthofen, Hugh D. Bate
12 9 BMW E90 M3 Luxury Sed 4160
Dan Schaut, Ben Schaut
13 24 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 SSGT1 BB 3800
Rudy Arias, John Oliver
14 15 Porsche GT3 SSGT1 BB 3750
Geoffrey Bond, Marcus Rivera
15 22 Chevrolet Z06 Corvette SSGT1 BB 3730
Scott Breneman, Jim Roberts

16 5 BMW Carbon Z4 SSGT1 SB 3680
Eric Brum, David Flogaus
17 44 Porsche Cayman S SSGT1 SB 3680
Sean Martens, Jonathan Noble
18 69 Cadillac CTS-V Luxury Sed 3655
Howard LaFever, Mark Grzella
19 43 Subaru STI MidPri Sed 3645
R.J. Matthews, Scott Burke
20 42 Mitsubishi Galant VR4 MidPri Sed 3565
Timothy Harper, Steve Burke, Mike Hayes

21 34 VW GTI SSGT2 SB 3445
Reg Noble, Bill Unwin
22 66 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Vint Amer 3435
Michael Hickman, Damon Josz
23 35 Dodge Stealth R/T Tu SSGT2 SB 3345
George Bruggenthies, Lauren Bruggenthies
24 31 Chevrolet Corvette SSGT1 BB 3330
Don Maddox, Greg Morris
25 32 Chevrolet Corvette SSGT1 BB 3230
Stephen Morris, Gary Morris

[Kuzman89]

Saw a ZR1 in werribe few weeks ago. Looked mint. Sounded amazing as well.

Does the Zr1 have a newer version coming out like the V-spec does to the GTR?

[Martin_D]

With GM about to shut the doors, and GM High Performance Division being canned a few months back, you would think that ZR1 would be the end :(

[planetdavo]

I wouldn't be so quick on the whole "GM about to shut their doors" thing Mr T.
All I'm going to say at the moment is "watch this space". :)

[Martin_D]

I wouldn't be so quick on the whole "GM about to shut their doors" thing Mr T.
All I'm going to say at the moment is "watch this space". :)

Yep maybe I was wrong....better rephrase it.
'GM is about to hide under Obamas coat tails and fudge its way out of having to pay the money it owes creditors, all the while the execs are saving their worthless skins while sending a whole genuine industry of component suppliers bankrupt in the process'

Either that or you and the big guy Obama have gone halvies and just arent telling us :cool:

Back to the Vette though, outside of one staged GM lap at the ring, the ZR1 has done absoultely nothing in the real world....at this stage. Bit disappointing really with the Z06 getting the nod as the more balanced package, just its got no grunt to keep up with the current crop of quick production cars :(

[Uncle Tone]

Back to the Vette though, outside of one staged GM lap at the ring, the ZR1 has done absoultely nothing in the real world....at this stage. Bit disappointing really with the Z06 getting the nod as the more balanced package, just its got no grunt to keep up with the current crop of quick production cars :(

You're just pissed off that its blown so you can't turbocharge it :lol: :D

[Martin_D]

Imagine how much grunt the LS9 would make with the blower removed and some turbochargers in place....it would be a mean machine then thats for sure! :cool:
(I believe some redneck may have done this already)

Still seeing a ZR1 do something....anything....anywhere would be a start :lol:

[Uncle Tone]

Imagine how much grunt the LS9 would make with the blower removed and some turbochargers in place....it would be a mean machine then thats for sure! :cool:
(I believe some redneck may have done this already)

Still seeing a ZR1 do something....anything....anywhere would be a start :lol:

If it beat the GTR around the 'ring, isn't that all it has to do? :stick:

[Martin_D]

It doesnt anymore.....thats the problem :)

[Kuzman89]

Has the ZR1 done any new laps?

I'm sure that time could be improved upon.

[planetdavo]

Paul Gover described the GT-R as a "Heartless WEAPON".
"The GT-R has no heart. No soul. Nothing that makes it truly, utterly memorable. It's a fast car for the Gen-Y computer generation, not people who really love driving".
Ouch. :hide:

[LSX-438]

I dont know how many Gen Y'ers have handed over the readies to buy one of Nissan Australia's allocation - do you? - would hazard a guess not a single one. Out of dozens of reviews the world over, he's on his own with that opinion. But it's fair enough. Anyway, the real place for a review is on a track, not driving to maccas to pick up his flat white and hash browns; it's a mistake to judge the 35 for its suburban road going experience.

[Martin_D]

OMG a car without a heart....that means it doesnt break down, right? :lol:

[Excellent]

I dont know how many Gen Y'ers have handed over the readies to buy one of Nissan Australia's allocation - do you? - would hazard a guess not a single one. Out of dozens of reviews the world over, he's on his own with that opinion. But it's fair enough. Anyway, the real place for a review is on a track, not driving to maccas to pick up his flat white and hash browns; it's a mistake to judge the 35 for its suburban road going experience.
It's all well and good to build a track weapon as those cars undergo frequent maintenance (and expense) to survive the rigors of racing. But it's a different kettle of fish living with the car. Personally, I'd hate to own something that is almost as costly to run as it is to buy.

I'm sure there'll be heaps of Gen Y'ers owning them after the first owner disposes of the car just before the 80,000 km mark. The GTR would have to drop by at least $25K at that point unless the first owner happens to pay for the engine rebuild.

[LSX-438]

i've done three track days in my R35 (and i have two more THIS WEEK) and guess what? i havent spent a red cent on it yet. I have a few bits ready to go on the car though, new (slightly more hairy) exhaust and fluid replacements etc. FWIW, anyone who thinks it will cost the best part of $170k to run this car (for say two to three years, or whatever) -- well guys, sorry to break this to you, but the easter bunny isnt real, and that fat man in the red suit at xmas time is actually your dad.