When did VZ SS become 6ltr

[GTR_069]

When did the VZ get a 6ltr, and how many were built

[BLACK 346]

Not sure how many, but it was only VZ HSV that got the 6 litre.

[planetdavo]

Not sure how many, but it was only VZ HSV that got the 6 litre.
Think you might find a few L76 and L98 engined VZ owners on this forum a little surprised right about now!
2006 on production had a 6 litre in Holden models. Who knows on the numbers.

[vzss05]

from late 2005 the vz got the L76

[redvxr8clubby]

06 production - It think Feb 06 to about August only - I don't know numbers, but being only 6 or 7 months production won't be that many around - I am sure there was a another thread on this recently - did you try search?

[SV346]

For emissions they had to bump the 6L motor release a bit early wasnt it?

[Danie|]

Not sure how many, but it was only VZ HSV that got the 6 litre.

There was some VZ SS with the 6.0L.
I know somebody with one and I was there when he got it form the dealer, new.

It is manual and I think I recall the salesperson saying they didn't bring a 6.0L to an auto in the VZ at that time.. that might have changed afterwards tho, not uncommon lol :jester:

[BLACK 346]

Think you might find a few L76 and L98 engined VZ owners on this forum a little surprised right about now!
2006 on production had a 6 litre in Holden models. Who knows on the numbers.

Ok, I stuffed up, thanks for the correction :)

[planetdavo]

06 production - It think Feb 06 to about August only - I don't know numbers, but being only 6 or 7 months production won't be that many around.
Up to Aug 06 had the L76. Aug 06 on (utes) at VE launch had the L98 6 litre until the VE ute came out.

[shep]

Even the late WL barges got a 6L. :lol:

[GTR_069]

yeah mate has got a 06 July VZ SS, ex cop car cloth trim L76 donk

Top car thought shit thats gotta be rare a real nice car

for a ex cop car its mint

Thanks for the fast responses

GTR

[MTC]

Even the late WL barges got a 6L. :lol:n

& even some VZ Berlina Wagons to:)

[PBoB]

Even the late WL barges got a 6L. :lol:

There's a few Calais' getting around with the 6.0L too :love:

[iloveholden]

Yep dads VZ SS is a 6L...Built May 06 i think.

Auto Black with red leather :)

[Wonky]

Any VZ V8 built in 06 will have the 6.0 litre motor and as PD said once the VE sedan was released with the L98 in Aug 06 most VZ non sedan variants with V8s got the L98 too. The VE didn't get L76 till 09 built A6 V8s.

[GTR_069]

so there is a few out there but not loads cool
L98 is the older motor and L76 is a newer motor going on last post right? that has confused the shite out of me

I thought L76 was older then L98

So which is LS1, LS2, LS3, LS4

to sort this out then?

Thanks
GTR

[CLUBRED]

I had one for a brief period, and have driven another, both SS and both auto - they all had the badge on the front quarter flanks. I found the engine and 4sp box not to my liking.

[VZMY06SS]

I have a manual 6L SS. Silver with black leather and a sunroof. They're exactly the same as the 5.7 bar the engine. I love it though. It's the best of both worlds-weight of a VT-VZ with the ability to make the power and torque of the VE's.
I may be slightly biased though....

Steve

[PDFAST]

i have a 2006 6.0L VZSS THUNDER UTE AUTO.
was pretty lazy at first but with a hp tune 3.9 diff 3000 histall defillipo 3" big boy system real happy now 12.80 @ 107mph not to bad :goodjob:

[CrazyLS1_85]

so there is a few out there but not loads cool
L98 is the older motor and L76 is a newer motor going on last post right? that has confused the shite out of me

I thought L76 was older then L98

So which is LS1, LS2, LS3, LS4

to sort this out then?

Thanks
GTR

Pretty much the same motor, same heads, cam, compression etc. but the L76 has hardware for active fuel management where the L98 does not. Thats why if you buy a VE V8 with AFM you will get the L76 but if you get it without AFM you will get the L98.

[Wonky]

so there is a few out there but not loads cool
L98 is the older motor and L76 is a newer motor going on last post right? that has confused the shite out of me

I thought L76 was older then L98

So which is LS1, LS2, LS3, LS4

to sort this out then?

Thanks
GTR

OK, as I understand it, in Commodores starting in 99 (I think) there was originally the LS1. HSV also used the LS1 until VZ when they introduced the LS2, which has never been in a factory Commodore. In 2006 due to the LS1 no longer being able to meet emission standards Commodore went to the L76 (VZ). HSV continued to use LS2.

In August 2006 with the release of the VE the Commodore went to L98 which is basically the same motor as the L76 but without all the DOD/AFM hardware. Then or at some point after that the VZ V8 non sedan variants eg utes also got the L98. HSV continued to use the LS2 exclusively until mid/late 2008 when it was replaced by the LS3, again (or still) not available in Commodores.

As Crazy said above, just to confuse things even further, as of 2009 built cars the Commodore VE V8 comes with either the L98 or L76 depending on whether you get manual or auto. Autos come with L76 with DOD/AFM activated to supposedly give better fuel economy but they can't get it working smoothly on manuals so they still come with L98. Confused further now? :confused:

[Rub]

Seems pretty straight forward to me :)

[darb]

ive seen a few VZ utes with the 6l in them ... i was tempted to get one in my impatience (Ve ute hadnt come out yet) ... but thankfully i listed to reason and waited til the actul VE ute came out ....

would be spewing if id bought a VZ out of lust for the new engine and a few months later they popped out the VE ute (slightly more HP and a totally new car...)

[GTR_069]

Wonky thanks for that mate

So HSZ only got LS2's and now there 6.2ltrs are LS3's correct

And Commodores all get LS1's regardless if there L76 or L98

sorry for being a spastic, Im a old school holden boy, pre 1980's im good at them,

[darb]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_LS_engine


In 2004, the Generation III was superseded by the Generation IV. This category of engines has provisions for high-displacement ranges up to 7.0 L and power output to 638 hp (476 kW). Building upon the Generation III design, Generation IV was designed with displacement on demand in mind, a technology that allows 4 cylinders in alternating fashion from side to side and front to back to be deactivated. It can also accommodate variable valve timing. A 3-valve per cylinder design was originally slated for the LS7, which would have been a first for a GM pushrod engine; but the idea was shelved owing to design complexities and when the same two-valve configuration as the other Generation III and IV engines proved to be sufficient to meet the goals for the LS7. It has been reported that the LS3 and an upcoming 6.0 L Vortec engine represent the final two designs to be considered in the Generation IV engine family, and that future designs — expected around 2009 — will be part of the Generation V engine family.[2]

[edit] LS2
GM LS2 engine in a 2005 Chevrolet Corvette

The LS2 was introduced as the Corvette's new base engine for the 2005 model year. It also appeared as the standard powerplant for the 2005-2006 GTO. It produces 400 hp (298 kW) at 6000 rpm and 400 ft·lbf (542 N·m) at 4400 rpm from a slightly larger displacement of 6.0 L (5,967 cc/364.1 cu in). It is similar to the high-performance LS6, but with improved torque throughout the rpm range. The LS2 uses the same "243" heads as used on the LS6, but a smaller camshaft, the increase in torque is provided by the additional 18 cubic inches compared to the LS6. The LS2s in the E-series HSVs are modified in Australia to produce 412 hp (307 kW) and 412 ft·lbf (559 N·m). The LS2s in the Buick Rainier, Chevrolet Trailblazer SS, and the Saab 9-7X Aero are rated at 395 hp (295 kW) and 400 lb·ft (540 N·m) of torque.


Applications:

* 2005-2007 Buick Rainier
* 2005-2006 Pontiac GTO
* 2006-2007 Cadillac CTS-V
* 2006-2007 Chevrolet Corvette
* 2005-2006 Chevrolet SSR
* 2006-2009 Chevrolet TrailBlazer SS
* 2005-2007 Holden Special Vehicles (all V8 models)
* 2008-2009 Saab 9-7X Aero
* 2005-2006 Vauxhall Monaro VXR

[edit] L76

See also the Vortec 6000 L76

L76 was originally Holden's version of the 6.0 L (5,967 cc/364.1 cu in) Generation IV engine. While displacement on demand technology was disabled on Holdens, this feature is enabled on the 2008 Pontiac G8 GT and subsequently re fitted in the 2009 model Holdens with AFM enabled, but only on models fitted with the 6L80 Automatic Transmission. The engine also meets Euro III emissions requirements. Output is 348 hp (260 kW) at 5600 rpm and 376 ft·lbf (510 N·m) at 4400 rpm for the Holden variant, and 361 hp (269.8 kW) and 385 ft·lbf of torque (526.5 N·m) for the G8 GT.[3]

Applications:

* 2006 Holden VZ Commodore
* 2008-2009 Pontiac G8 GT
* 2009 Holden VE Commodore
* 2009 Holden WM Statesman / Holden WM Caprice
* 2009 Holden VE UTE

[edit] L98

For the tuned-port Generation I engine of the same RPO, see Chevrolet L98

The L98 is a slightly modified version of the L76. Since Holden does not use displacement on demand, some redundant hardware was removed from the L76. Power increased to 362 hp (270 kW) at 5700 rpm and 391 ft·lbf (530 Nm) at 4400 rpm.

Applications:

* 2006 (MY06) Holden VZ SS Thunder Ute
* 2006-2007 Holden VE Commodore
* 2006-2007 Holden WM Statesman / Holden WM Caprice
* 2007-2008 Chevrolet Lumina SS
* 2007-2008 Chevrolet Caprice SS

[edit] LS3
GM LS3 Engine in a 2008 Chevrolet Corvette

LS3 can also refer to a 402 CID Chevrolet Big-Block engine of the 1970s

The LS3 was introduced as the Corvette's new base engine for the 2008 model year. It produces 430 hp (320 kW) at 5900 rpm and 424 ft·lbf (575 N·m) at 4600 rpm without the optional Corvette exhaust and is SAE certified. The block is an updated version of the LS2 casting featuring a larger bore of 4.06 in (103 mm) creating a displacement of 6.2 L (6,162 cc/376.0 cu in). It also features higher flowing cylinder heads sourced from the L92, a more aggressive camshaft with 0.551" lift, a revised valvetrain with 6 mm (0.24 in) offset intake rocker arms, a high-flow intake manifold and 47 lb/hr fuel injectors from the LS7 engine.

The L76/L92/LS3 cylinder heads use 2.165 in (55.0 mm) intake valves, and 1.59 in (40 mm) exhaust valves. Improved manufacturing efficiency makes these heads cheaper than the outgoing LS6 heads, and severely undercuts aftermarket heads. The large valves, however, limit maximum rpm - 6000 in the L76 (with AFM), and 6600 in the LS3 (with hollow stem valves).

In addition to the above, a dual mode exhaust package with a bypass on acceleration is available. The dual-mode exhaust uses vacuum-actuated outlet valves, which control engine noise during low-load operation, but open for maximum performance during high-load operation. The system is similar to the C6 Z06, but uses a 2.5 in (64 mm) diameter exhaust compared to the Z06's 3 in (76 mm). Power is boosted to 436 hp (325 kW) and 428 ft·lbf (580 N·m) with this option.

From April 2008, Australian performance car manufacturer, HSV, adopted the LS3 as its standard V8 throughout the range, replacing the LS2. The LS3 received modifications for its application to HSV's models, producing 425 hp (317 kW). Power and torque was restricted to protect the drivetrain currently used in the E-Series sedans.

Applications:

* April 2008-present Holden Special Vehicles (all V8 models)
* 2008-present Chevrolet Corvette
* 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP (source: Pontiac web site, "Upcoming Vehicles," 3-16-2008)
* June 2008-present Vauxhall VXR8
* 2010 Chevrolet Camaro
* The show Top Gear used the LS3 to power a blender.[4]

[troytroy]

You can tell the VZ 6.0 litre and VZ 5.7 litre from a distance by the position of the side "V8" badge. The 5.7 Litre has it straight after the flutes under the side mirrors and the 6.0 litres have it down lower...(slightly different badge as well)

If there was such a thing as a 6.0 litre VZ GTS that would rock! (although an R8 is as close as you're gonna get). Biggest engine in a lighter body.

To get rid of the older 5.7 litres before the introduction of the 6.0 litres they introduced the SSZ which added leather, slightly bigger brakes and a couple of other things for the same price as the base model SS.......which seemed to work well.

[darb]

LS1 is dead and buried, basically ...

LS2 / L98 / L76 are very similiar variants of the same 6.0litre engines (as i understand it)

... LS3 is a 6.2litre (HSV only at this point). LS2 was also exclusive to HSV ...

L98 (270kw) / L76 (260kw) variants were used in standard holden stables.

From what i read on wiki ... the 2009 VE's are actually going BACKWARDS to the 260kw L76 variant, in order to use the DOD stuff ... The L98 (with slightly more power), does not have that tech. ..

As to 'generation"

Generation III refers to an LS1.

Generation IV refers to LS2, LS3, L76, L98

[GTR_069]

Darb thanks very much now all my questions answered

[Wonky]

From what i read on wiki ... the 2009 VE's are actually going BACKWARDS to the 260kw L76 variant, in order to use the DOD stuff ... The L98 (with slightly more power), does not have that tech. ..

I think my AFM/DOD will be turned off quite quickly as from what I've read and heard it seems GM suspect that the vibrations it creates when cutting in and/or turning off are not good for the A6 and they expect them to have problems exceeding 100,000km without issues (ignoring hassles some have already). :(