VE HSV dash cluster in VE SS

[Guyver1]

Hey all. I have searched the forums and found lots of info about HSV pod gauges but not a lot about the actual HSV dash.
I recently purchased a VE HSV dash and was initially told by Holden that it would go into my VE SS as long as it was the same MY. However I took the car to Holden today and unfortunately the person I spoke to originally wasn’t there. They have now advised me that you cannot put these dashes in an SS at all and when they replace HSV dashes they have to first get the part then send it off to HSV and then when it comes back they can successfully install it.
I have seen several of these HSV dashes for sale and I am sure I have seen them in SS’s on the forum. Was thinking maybe this is something they have done/changed with the latest revision of the HSV VE. Otherwise I am sure someone would have mentioned it prior.
Has anyone here successfully managed to put a HSV dash in any VE Commodore, if so please let me know how you did or point to forum link, cheers. :)

[Bombaman]

Len (SV8er) has indeed done this

Lemme find a link

EDIT - Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=1277062&postcount=23)
and
Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showpost.php?p=1279016&postcount=25)

[6.2L.Club]

Dash clusters prior to MY09 vehicle work fine, all you need do is take it into holden and get them to flash the software in and set the km's for you.
Vehicles MY09 and later require a dash cluster for that particular model as the hardware has changed. Brand new HSV clusters retail for a tad under $600 last time l checked.
They all just plug in, no harness modifications are required.

[EXCESSV]

Dash clusters prior to MY09 vehicle work fine, all you need do is take it into holden and get them to flash the software in and set the km's for you.
Vehicles MY09 and later require a dash cluster for that particular model as the hardware has changed. Brand new HSV clusters retail for a tad under $600 last time l checked.
They all just plug in, no harness modifications are required.correcto.
i have one at home that i gotta put in mine when i get the chance :D

[6.2L.Club]

correcto.
i have one at home that i gotta put in mine when i get the chance :D

You Slacka Dean !!! :goodjob:

[EXCESSV]

You Slacka Dean !!! :goodjob:yes part slack that i havent called around to see which dealer will do it and at what cost...and part havent had time and cash :lol:

[Guyver1]

Thanks for the responses guys, I love this forum as everbody is always so helpful.



Dash clusters prior to MY09 vehicle work fine, all you need do is take it into holden and get them to flash the software in and set the km's for you.
Vehicles MY09 and later require a dash cluster for that particular model as the hardware has changed. Brand new HSV clusters retail for a tad under $600 last time l checked.
They all just plug in, no harness modifications are required.

Okay so I got my dash from Holmart, Mick said he picked it up new from HSV 6 months ago so now I am wondering if that was a new MY09 dash and I have a MY08 SS so it is not going to work?

[6.2L.Club]

go into holden and get them to check the part numbers as they change for the new MY09 dash. The part number for the MY09 states, MY09 onwards only.

If it is an MY09 one, let me know coz l may be interested in buying it from ya

From memory there is a date stamp on the back of the cluster too so that may give you an indication of which one it is

[Guyver1]

go into holden and get them to check the part numbers as they change for the new MY09 dash. The part number for the MY09 states, MY09 onwards only.

If it is an MY09 one, let me know coz l may be interested in buying it from ya

From memory there is a date stamp on the back of the cluster too so that may give you an indication of which one it is

There are 2 circles of numbers on the back, one going from 05-08 the other going from 1-12. The arrows points to the 08 and 5. Been the clever chap that I am, that makes me think it was made in May 08, so not an MY09 sorry Clubby.
The problem I have now is trying to figure out why my holden dealer couldn't get it to work. I may have to take it to a different dealer, failing that it may be up for sale.

[6.2L.Club]

There are 2 circles of numbers on the back, one going from 05-08 the other going from 1-12. The arrows points to the 08 and 5. Been the clever chap that I am, that makes me think it was made in May 08, so not an MY09 sorry Clubby.
The problem I have now is trying to figure out why my holden dealer couldn't get it to work. I may have to take it to a different dealer, failing that it may be up for sale.

MY09 starts from april first 08, l'd be checking your part number before trying again.

[monaro327]

yep my09 started in april 08.

[Guyver1]

MY09 starts from april first 08, l'd be checking your part number before trying again.

Ah bugger, looks like I am outta luck. I am sending this back to Holmart. I am sure they would be more then happy to sell it to you if you are interested.

[6.2L.Club]

Ah bugger, looks like I am outta luck. I am sending this back to Holmart. I am sure they would be more then happy to sell it to you if you are interested.


PM me a pic, price and part number if you can mate

Thanks

[tsute]

Dash clusters prior to MY09 vehicle work fine, all you need do is take it into holden and get them to flash the software in and set the km's for you.
Vehicles MY09 and later require a dash cluster for that particular model as the hardware has changed. Brand new HSV clusters retail for a tad under $600 last time l checked.
They all just plug in, no harness modifications are required.

I have a MY09 SSVute and wanting to fit a HSV dash, Will I need Holden to change any software or will the dash just fit and go.

[6.2L.Club]

I have a MY09 SSVute and wanting to fit a HSV dash, Will I need Holden to change any software or will the dash just fit and go.

Yes, software will require flashing, read the quote mate

Just remember we are talking about a dash cluster, not the guage pod.

Guage pod requires nothing, just fit it and away you go

[peterg22000]

Do any of you guys know anything about the G8 version of the VE? was the software and different for them.. more to the point, might my car(build date March 14th 2008) Be an MY08, or being a G8, might it have gotten the MY09 software early(before april 1st)

Thanks guys.
Peter G

[servo2605]

so if you have an MY09 SS which version of the HSV dash will fit???

[bonners]

Mine is the 60th ann ssv and is a May 08 car. I was told it was a MY09. can someone confirm that?

[AussieTone]

Had my HSV cluster which I bought from Holmart (thanks Luke for the great product and service) fitted by my Holden dealer (Motorama in Springwood) today into my MY09 VE SS Ute.

No problems at all to fit but must be done by a Holden dealer. Apparently at various stages throughout the programming they had to get on the Holden intranet to gain approval to go on to the next step.

All up it was 2 hours labour and if anyone in Brisbane is getting one fitted at least you know Motorama have done one now.

If you have an MY09 just confirming again the software is now available (well at least Motorama has it. Anyone thinking of doing this mod all I can say is “DO IT’ as it looks great compared to the stock SS cluster and you get the full functions of 3 window display. I wouldn’t leave it too long though as Holmart don’t have many left and are a fair bit cheaper than Holden.

[bonners]

Still HAS to be a 09 cluster though doesn't it Tony

[AussieTone]

Not sure Adam. Holmart said it would fit any VE SS and although mine is MY09 it still has a 6/08 compliance plate. I'd check with Holmart
Cheers
Tony

[bonners]

Sorry I missed you today

06/08 is fine. That is MY09. Anything before April is MY08

[AussieTone]

Sorry I missed you today

06/08 is fine. That is MY09. Anything before April is MY08

You sure that is correct as there was an MY8.5 where a few things were changed like fuel rails, manifold cover etc. (which is why the old split engine covers from the 6 liter VZ don't fit my current Ute but did fit my old sedan :bawl:)

I think you will find there was no problems getting the earlier versions programmed but the software for the MY09 had not been released until recently. Earlier versions should not be an issue. If you are still interested I would contact Holmart, give them your build date and ask if the dash they have will fit. I am pretty sure from memory they said it would fit any VE SS

[bonners]

I was only going off what I was told. Any cluster would fit any VE except for MY09. It meant that only a MY09 cluster would work in a MY09 car. I was told recently that MY09 was from April last year. I'll see if I can find the thread that mentions it

Have a look at the 3rd post in the forum. I have also seen the same thing said in other threads about the topic. But this all irrelevant. If it's working, excellent, I am jealous, and I will have to come around and have a look

[holdenhsv]

hi there, i have a ve calais v 08 model v8, is this gts dash cluster will suit my car and what colour is the dash cluster lights because the calaisdash is white colour...thanks

[Mix 6000]

Hi, keep your Calais white cluster, as the HSV are ugly red LED's.....I have had my LED's changed to white....looks so much better....
hi there, i have a ve calais v 08 model v8, is this gts dash cluster will suit my car and what colour is the dash cluster lights because the calaisdash is white colour...thanks

[bonners]

My SSV has red LED (as does the rest of my dash) so the 'ugly' HSV ones will fit right in.

[AussieTone]

http://holmart.com.au/online/prod18.htm
hi there, i have a ve calais v 08 model v8, is this gts dash cluster will suit my car and what colour is the dash cluster lights because the calaisdash is white colour...thanks

Here is the link to the one I bought.

http://holmart.com.au/online/prod18.htm

It isn't a harsh red light at night like the SS / SSV and has a light mauve type colour. Looks quite nice

[SSV8TE]

Gday lads,
Just as some extra info to this thread i have contacted holden in frankston victoria and i have gained the info that most dashes can be fitted to most vehicles with a few exceptions. Those exceptions im not to sure about yet.
But the tech bloke i spoke to said that the real main proceedure is that the new dash has to be taught to read the old dash id numbers for a start.
This makes the new dash have the memory of km's that are already on the car.
Then they have to put the new dash in standard mode which the other options are : police mode, Hsv mode or standard mode.
Sounds complex but not according to the tech guy i spoke to.
He was aware that there is new software available to be able to teach any dash to repond to any computer if this makes sense.
In next week or so i will post up new info as he is getting back to me on details when he just confirms with his side of proceedures.
He has told me it will take at worst 3 hrs and that roughly around $300 to fit complete from drive in and drive away.
Hope this helps but as aussie tone has said can be done and just research with your local holden to see if they have the knowledge to do the conversion yet.
Cheers lads,
Andy.

[bigdogdazza]

Can someone please inform me as to what the extra windows will display after fitted to my09 ss?

[HEXEM]

Hi all,

Just a quick message. Any of you that are doing the HSV dash instrument/cluster change to an SSV (MY08 or 09 with the 3 segment red display - the one in the centre of at the top). If you still have the module after the change and want to get rid of it let me know via PM.

Cheers

Phil
:)

[crack07]

Just got a HSV cluster fitted to my 07 ss at Mcgrath's Liverpool, so if you in Sydney these guys differently do it. All up took about 1 hour and half and approx $150.00(had some other work done while there). No problems at all except when I went to book it in. I too had bought the cluster from Holmart but the cluster was MY09(11/08 manufactur) advised that it would not work had to be before 04/08 for 07 08 cars. Reason was for MY09 cars holden had changed suppliers of the clusters, luckly picked up a new 07 cluster on Ebay. Easiest way to tell the difference is the MY09 clusters are all black on the back while 07 08 are all white on the back.
Looks unreal and I agree the red is heaps better than the ss red its not as bright.

[AussieTone]

I was back in at my dealer today for something else and whilst there someone rang and asked if they fit and program the HSV dash to a VE SS. The person didn't know where to get one as HSV recently sent all dealers a strongly worded fax which translates into don't sell HSV parts without the VIN and proof of ownership. Apparently the dealers now have to fill in a seperate form saying it is going into said HSV or face loosing their HSV license. Obviously something has gotten up HSV's nose quite bad recently.

I came home and forwarded Holmart's web address etc back to the dealer to help this person out but I couldn't find any E Series clusters anymore. When I bought mine they said they only had a couple left so there is a good chance they have sold out. If you are looking at getting one I would send Holmart an e-mail on the off chance they still have one left or can get you one.

[H0LM3SY]

I was back in at my dealer today for something else and whilst there someone rang and asked if they fit and program the HSV dash to a VE SS. The person didn't know where to get one as HSV recently sent all dealers a strongly worded fax which translates into don't sell HSV parts without the VIN and proof of ownership. Apparently the dealers now have to fill in a seperate form saying it is going into said HSV or face loosing their HSV license. Obviously something has gotten up HSV's nose quite bad recently.


Thats a shame if true as they look great :bawl:
Can they be fitted into a Sv6?..... If aquiring one is acheived.
I know, why would you waste your time on an Sv6....
well i will if it can be done :jester:

[AussieTone]

Thats a shame if true as they look great :bawl:
Can they be fitted into a Sv6?..... If aquiring one is acheived.
I know, why would you waste your time on an Sv6....
well i will if it can be done :jester:

Don't pay out on yourself for having an SV6. I think they are a great car and if you want a V6 I think they are the pick of the litter.

I would say yes as I grabbed the 3 pages of instructions the tech followed titled "Instrument cluster programming and setup" and step 2 is choose which engine type (5 options), step 3 choose which transmission (6 options), step 4choose which suspension (3 options).

On page 3 it says
1. Install a diagnostic tool
2. Select body
3. Select IPC (Instrument Panel Cluster)
4. Select programming
5. Select the programming variant configuration procedure and follow the directions displayed on the screen
6. Obtain TIS approval then repeat steps 1 - 5

So according to that I can't see why it would not fit into an SV6 but check with your dealer.

It also says you can only reset the odometer reading if no more than a 100 km on it and that programing the odometer can only be done once

Hope this helps

Cheers
Tony

[H0LM3SY]

Thanks Tony

I take delivery of the ute tomorrow.
I went with the 6 as its for my business + they were doing the 32,990 on road.
Having said that, i optioned it with 20" supersports, Pantera leather, lowered, tint, towbar etc... :)
So now the mod bug has bitten hard, i couldn't help myself when i saw this thread...:rofl:

Hopefully get some pics this weekend and i will start a thread in my ride.. :jester:

thanks again
Shayne

[moconn20]

everyone is saying how good the new dash looks but has anyone got a photo of both day and night of the dash so we can see?

[DansVEPanno]

Hey I assume some of you who have made the change would have their old cluster left over?

If anyone has a VE SV6/SS gauge cluster in Nitrate Grey with the red needles and wants to sell, please PM me!!!

Also, if anyone's got pics of a HSV cluster install, particularly in an SV6, please put it up!!!

[AussieTone]

Hey I assume some of you who have made the change would have their old cluster left over?

If anyone has a VE SV6/SS gauge cluster in Nitrate Grey with the red needles and wants to sell, please PM me!!!

Also, if anyone's got pics of a HSV cluster install, particularly in an SV6, please put it up!!!

PM sent
Tony

[`redoctober]

PM sent
Tony

Edit: don't worry, haha.

[SSV8TE]

Gday lads,
Too add confusion to this thread i have had 4 attempts to fit a hsv dash instrument cluster to my 04/08 MY09 ssv ute and it has failed.
Holden whom i had a contact in has said that this can no longer be done in any model MY09 and above. The Hsv dash must read a hsv vin code or it comes up with "Hardware mismatch" and will not load the software into it.
So for the lads attempting to do this unless you have a success story or a secret to the install i wouldnt waste your money on the dash. I have spent 5 months attempting to divert the HSV VIN number codes and cannot be done.
Each module in each car has its own vin attatched to it ie: air bag, headlight relay, fog light relay, steering angle sensor ,etc. etc. and if they dont read a hsv code then the dash will reject them.
Hope this helps some of you lads and sorry for sounding negative but just putting some solid info up for you all to assess.
Cheers,
Andy.

[AussieTone]

Gday lads,
Too add confusion to this thread i have had 4 attempts to fit a hsv dash instrument cluster to my 04/08 MY09 ssv ute and it has failed.
Holden whom i had a contact in has said that this can no longer be done in any model MY09 and above. The Hsv dash must read a hsv vin code or it comes up with "Hardware mismatch" and will not load the software into it.
So for the lads attempting to do this unless you have a success story or a secret to the install i wouldnt waste your money on the dash. I have spent 5 months attempting to divert the HSV VIN number codes and cannot be done.
Each module in each car has its own vin attatched to it ie: air bag, headlight relay, fog light relay, steering angle sensor ,etc. etc. and if they dont read a hsv code then the dash will reject them.
Hope this helps some of you lads and sorry for sounding negative but just putting some solid info up for you all to assess.
Cheers,
Andy.

Andy

Was yours a new HSV dash cluster. You still need Holden to fit the cluster as there are a few times during the fitting that they have to log onto there internal Holden network and enter some info before it gives permission for the next step to be undertaken. My understanding is that it must be a brand new cluster as the first thing that happens is your VIN is written to the cluster.

Holden Instructions below (got them when I had mine fitted) plus a pic of my HSV cluster fitted to VE SS Ute MY June 08. HSV cluster fitted in May 09

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn130/sinbad215/VE%20SS%20Ute/Clusterpg1.jpg?t=1254784447

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn130/sinbad215/VE%20SS%20Ute/Clusterpg2.jpg?t=1254784538

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn130/sinbad215/VE%20SS%20Ute/Clusterpg3.jpg?t=1254784583

http://i303.photobucket.com/albums/nn130/sinbad215/VE%20SS%20Ute/IMG_4778.jpg?t=1254784630

Hope this helps someone. I'd suggest you take note of the document number or even print them out and take them to your Holden dealer and ask if this can still be done. Like I said though, I am pretty sure it must be a brand new cluster.
Cheers
Tony

[Stevotski]

Aussietone:

Did they give you the option of Police Mode? and what does Police Mode do in VE anyway seeing as digital speedo is standard?

It's also interesting that suspension type goes in to the cluster? something to do with ESC settings ?

[Wonky]

I am pretty sure it must be a brand new cluster.
Cheers
Tony

Hi Tony,

Andy's was a brand new dash (he's tried 2 now)........... :bawl:

Cheers,
Gary

[AussieTone]

Hi Tony,

Andy's was a brand new dash (he's tried 2 now)........... :bawl:

Cheers,
Gary

He sent me a pm about it and said they used the above instructions. I can only guess that HSV found out what was happening and somehow removed their Cluster from the list of clusters that can be installed. Reading through the instructions where it says type of cluster being installed they could easily have removed theirs from that section. If that's the case it sucks as when I get my next car I will just have to put a Calais dash cluster in it


Aussietone:

Did they give you the option of Police Mode? and what does Police Mode do in VE anyway seeing as digital speedo is standard?

Didn't get offered the option and no idea what it does
Cheers
Tony

[Wonky]

He sent me a pm about it and said they used the above instructions. I can only guess that HSV found out what was happening and somehow removed their Cluster from the list of clusters that can be installed. Reading through the instructions where it says type of cluster being installed they could easily have removed theirs from that section. If that's the case it sucks as when I get my next car I will just have to put a Calais dash cluster in it.

Bugger!! :bawl:

[tsute]

Police mode also stops the beeping at you to put on your seatbelt.

Andy, Sorry to hear the bad news, I will talk to my mates at Holden and see if he will give me a credit.

Tim

[stoll]

that dont sound good i have one in the shed i have not got installed yet

[SSV8TE]

Police mode also stops the beeping at you to put on your seatbelt.

Andy, Sorry to hear the bad news, I will talk to my mates at Holden and see if he will give me a credit.

Tim

No probs matey,
Cant explain really why mine wont work but like others have said HSV have been cracking down on their parts etc. hitting the streets for anything but HSV's.
A mate of mine works in spare parts and he had official emails sent to him stateing that no holden dealer is to issue parts of HSV nature to anyone without ownership of a HSV vehicle.
They have also now coded their dash's to only read HSV vin number modules etc.
If someone knows the secret post it would be a good mod issue solved.
Cheers,
Andy.

[AussieTone]

No probs matey,
Cant explain really why mine wont work but like others have said HSV have been cracking down on their parts etc. hitting the streets for anything but HSV's.
A mate of mine works in spare parts and he had official emails sent to him stateing that no holden dealer is to issue parts of HSV nature to anyone without ownership of a HSV vehicle.
They have also now coded their dash's to only read HSV vin number modules etc.
If someone knows the secret post it would be a good mod issue solved.
Cheers,
Andy.

Andy
Next time I am at my dealer (who fitted my cluster) I will ask if they know what has changed. Sounds like mine may be if not the last, at least one of the last VE's to have a HSV cluster fitted. I wonder if it is worth more second hand now as I will probably be selling the Ute in about 8 months
Cheers
Tony

[fekason]

Hi to all,

Does anyone know if this latest HSV cluster hiccup will affect other three window clusters.

I remain interested in replacing my nitrate grey SV6 cluster with a three window cluster. A Berlina/Calais/Satatesman cluster would be fine by me, if it would work.

[VX2VESS]

can't you just load a tune with HSV details in it ?? then it will find what is is looking for...


What are the exact differences between the SS and SSV dash clusters apart from the colours?

What about the centre top lcd displays differrences?

[SprogtaSSV]

If anyone out there know of a password or knows a holden tech guy/gal for this website it would be awesome
h t t p : //gsi.xw.gm.com/si/GSIlogin.do contains all we need to know about these cars!!:goodjob:

[planetdavo]

If anyone out there know of a password or knows a holden tech guy/gal for this website it would be awesome
h t t p : //gsi.xw.gm.com/si/GSIlogin.do contains all we need to know about these cars!!:goodjob:

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[planetdavo]

Main cause of the differences between early and late is a change of cluster supplier from Australian Arrow to Continental.

[SprogtaSSV]

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[bigdogdazza]

So has anyone sorted out whether or not holden can actually fit and get working a brand new my09 hsv dash into a my09 ss these days as I have my eyes on one but would rather not waste the money if it can no longer be fitted.:confused:

[afmss]

So has anyone sorted out whether or not holden can actually fit and get working a brand new my09 hsv dash into a my09 ss these days as I have my eyes on one but would rather not waste the money if it can no longer be fitted.:confused:

+1 anyone have any info on this???

[spongebobAU]

hey guys have purchased a hsv series 2 cluster for my sv6 and think i may have a solution. if it is possible to put a calais cluster in the sv6 and not have to deal with the hsv security then you could physically take apart the cluster and redress it with the hsv parts and voila hsv cluster. i know this solution would be more expensive, but i cant think of any other alternatives.

[bonners]

I'll be interested to see if you can make this work

[spongebobAU]

yeah from what i understand the hsv cluster asks for a hsv vin number from the other modules which is why holden (understandably) wont reprogram your other modules with a hsv vin. however i dont know if it would be the same with the calais cluster.

I am also fairly confident it could be done as the extra functions in the extra speedo windows are accessible in engineering mode.

next step is to make some more enquiries i guess

[bonners]

considering you can buy these from JHP

http://jhp.com.au/holden_ve_cluster_dials.php

and these on ebay

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/WHITE-FACE-DIALS-Holden-VE-Commodore-SS-SV6-HSV-Style-/120663504063?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1c181af4bf#ht_2399wt_922

I assume you can get the cluster open.

Actually, type in VE dials and there's quite a few

[V8BEER]

Have alook on CCWA, there is a thread in there of a bloke putting a HSV dash in his SSV, it can be done.

[bonners]

yes it can and no it can't. Up to certain models (MY09) i believe could accept the HSV dash. But HSV started getting upset. Then they changed manufacturers etc etc and then it became impossible to put them in. Read back this thread a bit

I know they can go in because I know a guy who put one in his ute (see Aussietone above). But you can't now. What this new comment about is using a calais and HSV cluster and creating a sort of hybrid.

[Guyver1]

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa479/blackguyver1/NewdashDec12005.jpg

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa479/blackguyver1/NewdashDec12004.jpg

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa479/blackguyver1/NewdashDec12002.jpg

[Guyver1]

I just posted this in another thread but since this is the thread I started almost 3 years ago, I thought I would finish it.
The answer is this.
A Calais dash has the same functionality as a HSVs. Holden will put a Calais dash in for you no problems then all you have to do is get the HSV overlay and put it on your Calais dash. DONE :yahoo:

[Plenty]

I just posted this in another thread but since this is the thread I started almost 3 years ago, I thought I would finish it.
The answer is this.
A Calais dash has the same functionality as a HSVs. Holden will put a Calais dash in for you no problems then all you have to do is get the HSV overlay and put it on your Calais dash. DONE :yahoo:

Awesome so where do you get the overlay from? how much? and part number?

[Guyver1]

Awesome so where do you get the overlay from? how much? and part number?

Got the whole dash off ebay for $250. That is probably still cheaper then buying just the overlay off Holden. Sorry I don't know the part numbers.

[Guyver1]

There is one on ebat right now for $275

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/VE-HSV-SERIES-2-E3-INSTRUMENT-CLUSTER-/180768139306?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item2a169ee82a

[Guyver1]

There is one on ebay right now for 275, do a search

[Plenty]

There is one on ebay right now for 275, do a search

did you buy the Calais dash direct from Holden? I might try a wreckers to see if i can get the Calais dash then do the swap over.


:yahoo:

[Guyver1]

did you buy the Calais dash direct from Holden? I might try a wreckers to see if i can get the Calais dash then do the swap over.


:yahoo:

Yes, I paid waaayyyy toooo much for the Calais dash, it was about 1k fitted. I looked at getting a second hand one but Holden told me it would cost more to reprogram an old one then get a new one. I am sure if someone other then Holden reprogrammed it that would not be the case.

[bonners]

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa479/blackguyver1/NewdashDec12005.jpg

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa479/blackguyver1/NewdashDec12004.jpg

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa479/blackguyver1/NewdashDec12002.jpg

Tha looks awesome. So that's an E3 dash in a series 1 SS? What year SS

[Guyver1]

Tha looks awesome. So that's an E3 dash in a series 1 SS? What year SS

Built October 2007

[AussieTone]

I just posted this in another thread but since this is the thread I started almost 3 years ago, I thought I would finish it.
The answer is this.
A Calais dash has the same functionality as a HSVs. Holden will put a Calais dash in for you no problems then all you have to do is get the HSV overlay and put it on your Calais dash. DONE :yahoo:

Is there much involved in stripping the HSV cluster to make the change over. I assume the Calais cluster has to be stripped as well. Do you have any pics of the cluster with the overlay removed (probably the old HSV cluster)
Cheers
Tony

[Guyver1]

Is there much involved in stripping the HSV cluster to make the change over. I assume the Calais cluster has to be stripped as well. Do you have any pics of the cluster with the overlay removed (probably the old HSV cluster)
Cheers
Tony

I can do up some pics but basically all the clips for the e3 overlay are in the wrong spot so they pretty much all need to be cut off.
As for the dials themselves the holes to hold it in place are also in the wrong place so you have to cut new ones.
The whole thing is a bit of mess, the good news is once the dash is in you won't be able to see it.
The other good news is that if you own a series two you won't have this problem at all (I am assume the clips will be in the right spot as the dash comes from the same manufacturer).

[Wonky]

Is there much involved in stripping the HSV cluster to make the change over. I assume the Calais cluster has to be stripped as well. Do you have any pics of the cluster with the overlay removed (probably the old HSV cluster)
Cheers
Tony

I'd be very interested too thanks. I reckon you've done an awesome job Guyver1!! :bow:

Looks great in and seems the only way I'll get a triple display dash in to match my black/grey E3 pod gauges (in E1 pod). Can I ask please how long you would think it took to overlay the E3 face on the Calais display and given I can't do it myself due to my disabilities does it need a specialist or just someone good with their hands/tools?

[Guyver1]

I'd be very interested too thanks. I reckon you've done an awesome job Guyver1!! :bow:

Looks great in and seems the only way I'll get a triple display dash in to match my black/grey E3 pod gauges (in E1 pod). Can I ask please how long you would think it took to overlay the E3 face on the Calais display and given I can't do it myself due to my disabilities does it need a specialist or just someone good with their hands/tools?

Thanks Wonky! :thumbsup:

It probably took me about 3 hours all up to do and most of that was working out exactly how I was going to get it on, as opposed to actually doing anything.
I am the worlds worst DIYer so if I can do it anybody can.
I have run out of time today to take some pics of what was done. Will have a crack at it next weekend.

[Wonky]

Excellent! Thank you. :thumbsup:

[DCV1NU]

That looks awsome mate, definatly something you don't see in every other ss:goodjob:.

[AussieTone]

Outstanding work and well done for thinking outside the box. Can the Calais dash be overlaid with the HSV dash and then put in the car and programmed by the friendly Holden dealer or do you have to fit the Calais dash, get it programmed, remove it and do the inlay and then reinstall it. If it is the first way maybe someone could do / or help out those of us who may find this outside our abilities (like me). That way I can then just drop it off at Holden and say can you fit this guys and program it for a Calais dash.

Alternatively, can you just get a HSV cluster fitted but programmed for a Calais cluster :idea:

[Guyver1]

Outstanding work and well done for thinking outside the box. Can the Calais dash be overlaid with the HSV dash and then put in the car and programmed by the friendly Holden dealer or do you have to fit the Calais dash, get it programmed, remove it and do the inlay and then reinstall it. If it is the first way maybe someone could do / or help out those of us who may find this outside our abilities (like me). That way I can then just drop it off at Holden and say can you fit this guys and program it for a Calais dash.

Alternatively, can you just get a HSV cluster fitted but programmed for a Calais cluster :idea:

I could see Holden doing this for series 2 VEs but asking them to cut and sand an e3 inlay and dials, I honestly can't see them doing that.
Having said that I can't see why you couldn't give them your pre modified dash and ask them to install as if it was a Calais one.
I hope that helps but I don't think I have really answered your question.

[G4RS_GM]

Slightly off topic....but im looking at putting an E3 HSV cluster into my "07" E1 HSV? Would this be an easier conversion, as im swapping HSV for HSV, or do i also face the same issues, as im swapping an early model cluster to a later model cluster?

[Wonky]

That's :weirdo:!! ls2GTS just asked exactly the same question in Guyver1's My Ride thread.......... :eek:

[Guyver1]

Slightly off topic....but im looking at putting an E3 HSV cluster into my "07" E1 HSV? Would this be an easier conversion, as im swapping HSV for HSV, or do i also face the same issues, as im swapping an early model cluster to a later model cluster?

Sorry but you are going to have the same issue. All the clips that hold the overlay and dials in place moved to a different postion when Holden changed cluster providers.
I will take some pics on the weekend so you can see what I am talking about.

[G4RS_GM]

Sorry but you are going to have the same issue. All the clips that hold the overlay and dials in place moved to a different postion when Holden changed cluster providers.
I will take some pics on the weekend so you can see what I am talking about.

Thought that would be the case. Some pics would be great mate, i'm sure many others would be keen to see also.

Cheers.

[Guyver1]

Thought that would be the case. Some pics would be great mate, i'm sure many others would be keen to see also.

Cheers.

Yes sounds like I need to put some pics up. I am going to see if I can get some time on the weekend to take some pictures of both the clusters so you can see what I am talking about.

[Guyver1]

Okay here we go

Back of the series one cluster, This is an SS one but the Calais is exactly the same shape it just has the 2 extra windows.
http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa479/blackguyver1/DASHINSTRUCTIONDEC11004.jpg


Back of an E3 or series 2 cluster. Note the clip holes are in different places and the bottom doesn't come down as far. The studs to hold the dials in place are in a different location. Also note the the hole that the big needles clip into is a different size and has a lip to hold it in place.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa479/blackguyver1/DASHINSTRUCTIONDEC11002.jpg


These are the Calais dials. Note the holes for the studs on the left and the right. I put this dial back to back with the E3 dials and drew through the holes to mark where I had to cut the E3 dash so that it would sit on the Calais cluster studs.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa479/blackguyver1/DASHINSTRUCTIONDEC11005.jpg


This is the Calais overlay, not the clips line up with series one cluster holes. NONE of the E3 clips line up with the series one cluster holes so you will have to cut them all off. I left the bottom two clips on as they slipped under the bottom of the series one cluster, acting as a guide.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa479/blackguyver1/DASHINSTRUCTIONDEC11006.jpg

The Glass and the black plastic bit shown here will hold the overlay in place once you have cut all the clips off. Series one is above e3 is below. Note again all the clips are in different places.

http://i1199.photobucket.com/albums/aa479/blackguyver1/DASHINSTRUCTIONDEC11007.jpg


so in short this is what you have to do.

1 Cut all the clips of the E3 overlay and sand back the two studs it has.
2 Put the E3 cluster back to back with a Series one cluster. Makes sure the holes where the needles go line up and then mark where the stud holes need to go.
3 Cut the stud holes out and put the dials on the series one cluster back
4 Put the overlay on top of this
5 Put the series 1 glass and black plastic bit over this to hold the overlay in the correct postion
6 Install in your car, all done.

[10sec_rx7]

Sorry but you are going to have the same issue. All the clips that hold the overlay and dials in place moved to a different postion when Holden changed cluster providers.
I will take some pics on the weekend so you can see what I am talking about.

we put a E3 dash into a E1 the other day and it went straight in with out opening or changing anything...

just got a few little things to sort out but it all works

[Guyver1]

we put a E3 dash into a E1 the other day and it went straight in with out opening or changing anything...

just got a few little things to sort out but it all works

The entire cluster itself fits into any car, it just when you try and put the E3 overlay and dials on the back of a series one cluster you have problems.

Would be keens to see if you can get an E3 cluster to work in an E1 no one else has been able to yet.

[Wonky]

we put a E3 dash into a E1 the other day and it went straight in with out opening or changing anything...

just got a few little things to sort out but it all works

Can you confirm what MY the E1 was please Dale? I'm assuming if it fitted it must have been an MY9.5??? or later i.e. after Holden/HSV changed suppliers? :confused:

What happened with the original E1 triple window dash? I'd be interested in the possibility of buying it for the right price. :D

[Wonky]

......................................

so in short this is what you have to do.

1 Cut all the clips of the E3 overlay and sand back the two studs it has.
2 Put the E3 cluster back to back with a Series one cluster. Makes sure the holes where the needles go line up and then mark where the stud holes need to go.
3 Cut the stud holes out and put the dials on the series one cluster back
4 Put the overlay on top of this
5 Put the series 1 glass and black plastic bit over this to hold the overlay in the correct postion
6 Install in your car, all done.

:goodjob: thanks. In my case given my car is an MY9.5 I won't have all that mucking around.

[Guyver1]

:goodjob: thanks. In my case given my car is an MY9.5 I won't have all that mucking around.

Yup if you have the new style dash it will be a straight plug and play job, too easy.

[Wonky]

Yup if you have the new style dash it will be a straight plug and play job, too easy.

Except there's still the confusing and contentious issue of what HSV dashes work in what non HSV cars. :mad: Supposedly HSV had made some change so as of MY9.5 non HSV cars could not have HSV dashes fitted and made to work. That's why the idea of a Calais dash with an E3 face on it so appealed to me.

However, then I read in another thread where REAP3R put a MY10 HSV dash (E2 possibly??) in his MY9.5 SSV and it worked straight off - no Tech2 or anything needed. :confused:

[marcu5]

Except there's still the confusing and contentious issue of what HSV dashes work in what non HSV cars. :mad:

I posted a thread not long ago (a week or so ago) that covers off this detail.. :)

[Wonky]

Sorry marcu but what you posted, whilst good info, still didn't give a definitive answer from what I read. It more just explained the fact that there were two different manufacturers but not why people have had problems trying to put HSV clusters into post MY9.0 non HSV vehicles (there are a couple of threads on here which mention the problems).

More than happy to be corrected though!!

[G4RS_GM]

Great write up Guyver1. Thanks for going to all the effort to show people how it can be done.

Cheers mate.

[AussieTone]

Except there's still the confusing and contentious issue of what HSV dashes work in what non HSV cars. :mad: Supposedly HSV had made some change so as of MY9.5 non HSV cars could not have HSV dashes fitted and made to work. That's why the idea of a Calais dash with an E3 face on it so appealed to me.

However, then I read in another thread where REAP3R put a MY10 HSV dash (E2 possibly??) in his MY9.5 SSV and it worked straight off - no Tech2 or anything needed. :confused:

When I had an HSV series 1 dash cluster fitted to my 08 SS Ute it was a straight swap and no problems with the tech 2 program. I was told at the time (by Holden) that the next series HSV cluster (Black rear) could not be programed by the tech 2.

Things may have changed since then with the latter HSV clusters but that was the go back then (late 08 from memory). Also, you could not program a HSV cluster that had over 100 km on it so second had clusters were of no use. Obviously if you are pulling the cluster apart and swapping different bits out then that is a different story. I am only talking of my experiences with a complete cluster.

I don't remember the price but it was quite reasonable from Holmart. Wonky it may be worth contacting them if you are chasing a cluster as I found them very helpful and knowledgeable.

I also am interested in fitting some sort of HSV cluster as the 3 years I had one in my Ute I loved the thing. Very clear and easy to read instruments plus looked great.

I am not sure what build type my SSV is so someone may be able to tell me. It was manufactured in June 2010

[10sec_rx7]

Can you confirm what MY the E1 was please Dale? I'm assuming if it fitted it must have been an MY9.5??? or later i.e. after Holden/HSV changed suppliers? :confused:

What happened with the original E1 triple window dash? I'd be interested in the possibility of buying it for the right price. :D

its a 06, everything works fine just 1 slight issue to sort out which we are confident in getting sorted in the new year when we have 5 min to spend on it...

MY9.5 ss on wont be a problem..

[AussieTone]

its a 06, everything works fine just 1 slight issue to sort out which we are confident in getting sorted in the new year when we have 5 min to spend on it...

MY9.5 ss on wont be a problem..

Does that mean if I get my hands on another series 1 (06 - ?) HSV white cluster it will be able to be programed to suit my 6/10 SSV (don't know the MY of it). If that is what you are saying can Holden do it via tech 2 and does it have to be a new cluster or can a second hand one be fitted. Cheers

[10sec_rx7]

i dont think the early HSV will work in the late SS, but worth a try, once the dash is programed with the KM on it you cannot change them so if it has the k's already done then thats how it is

[AussieTone]

i dont think the early HSV will work in the late SS, but worth a try, once the dash is programed with the KM on it you cannot change them so if it has the k's already done then thats how it is

Given you sound like you are getting good results swapping the clusters over what HSV cluster do I need and what do I need to program it. Cheers

[10sec_rx7]

the E2 and E3 should work in that car but give us a little more time and ill try our E1 cluster in a mates MY9.5 SS

[Wonky]

For people who were following this thread, a few people now have E3 HSV dash clusters installed and working in their series 1 non HSVs. Mine is now on the way back from being reprogrammed to suit my car with the km set etc and will hopefully be in and working by the end of the week. :woohoo: See the last page or two of http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?153635-VE-HSV-Dash-in-MY9-5-SSV

[CalaisBoy]

A question for those who have changed the cluster faces over from a Calais version to the HSV version S1 or S2.

The normal Calais cluster speedo reads to 260kph. The HSV cluster reads to 290 kph. Does the speedo read correctly if you change the cluster dial face over?

[Wonky]

For people who were following this thread, a few people now have E3 HSV dash clusters installed and working in their series 1 non HSVs. Mine is now on the way back from being reprogrammed to suit my car with the km set etc and will hopefully be in and working by the end of the week. :woohoo: See the last page or two of http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?153635-VE-HSV-Dash-in-MY9-5-SSV

:doh: Forgot to update this - unfortunately an ABS compatibility problem still exists and with my disabilities there's no way I'm driving a 280+rwkw car with no ABS or ESP!! :eek: Justin (doubledip) who did the programming (and has successfully added the E3 dash to several cars inc. his own 2007 SSV) says he either needs my car or at least another MY9.5 A6 SSV ute to do it. :( It therefore has to wait until either he has such a car up there or until he can make time to fit me in if I drive up there. It can apparently take most of a day to make all the required changes. :eek:

[jaykay]

Shoulda just bought a HSV Gaz....:stick:

[Wonky]

If only someone gave me the extra $20k required John. :p

[JezzaB]

:doh: Forgot to update this - unfortunately an ABS compatibility problem still exists and with my disabilities there's no way I'm driving a 280+rwkw car with no ABS or ESP!! :eek: Justin (doubledip) who did the programming (and has successfully added the E3 dash to several cars inc. his own 2007 SSV) says he either needs my car or at least another MY9.5 A6 SSV ute to do it. :( It therefore has to wait until either he has such a car up there or until he can make time to fit me in if I drive up there. It can apparently take most of a day to make all the required changes. :eek:

As I mentioned in a PM. It is a very indepth process. When you do it you are literally working in a hex editor and grafting a binary together to trick the cluster into seeing what it wants to see and the car doing the same. So most of the information in the cluster you are making by hand. Because of this when you have all of the different models some want to see one thing and other want to see something else. Plus the MY9.5+ clusters are very very smart in many ways and can compare changes from their internal CPU EEPROM and the main EEPROM. What worked or didnt work 10 minutes ago may now be accepted as it reads it into its internal memory. Fun stuff. Much much easier with the car there (or the exact same car) because sometimes surprises can show up.

[701let]

Shoulda just bought a HSV Gaz....:stick:"
Agreed, is it even worth the hassle???

[Wonky]

As I mentioned in a PM. It is a very indepth process. When you do it you are literally working in a hex editor and grafting a binary together to trick the cluster into seeing what it wants to see and the car doing the same. So most of the information in the cluster you are making by hand. Because of this when you have all of the different models some want to see one thing and other want to see something else. Plus the MY9.5+ clusters are very very smart in many ways and can compare changes from their internal CPU EEPROM and the main EEPROM. What worked or didnt work 10 minutes ago may now be accepted as it reads it into its internal memory. Fun stuff. Much much easier with the car there (or the exact same car) because sometimes surprises can show up.

:yup: I know Jez, hence my comment that it can take most of a day even with the car there. I just have to be patient now and hope Justin either has an identical ute come in or has time to do it if I drive up.

[Wonky]

Agreed, is it even worth the hassle???

Knowing it can't be done remotely as we first thought/hoped then if I was in the same position again I probably wouldn't buy one unless I had someone like Justin or Jez with the knowledge and importantly time to do it for me. However, having had it in and seen how awesome it looks, especially with the triple window display which I've never had before and the much nicer display colour, I'm definitely very keen to have it in now!! :yup: :woohoo:

[SimonNQ]

Justin is quite busy at the moment, I am also waiting on him to free up some time to do my cluster programming as well....

[CalaisBoy]

Guys,
Does any one know the answer to my previous question - if I put an HSV instrument overlay (speedo markings go up to 290kph) onto my Calais cluster (speedo only marked up to 260kph), I imagine the speedo will read incorrectly for either all or some of its range.

Does anyone have any info about if this is correct please?

If it is correct - what can be done?

Thanks!

[Guyver1]

I used the digital speedo to make sure it was correct. It works fine for me.

[Guyver1]

Guys,
Does any one know the answer to my previous question - if I put an HSV instrument overlay (speedo markings go up to 290kph) onto my Calais cluster (speedo only marked up to 260kph), I imagine the speedo will read incorrectly for either all or some of its range.

Does anyone have any info about if this is correct please?



If it is correct - what can be done?

Thanks!


Oh and i don't know what cluster you are looking at but mine only goes up to 260kph

[CalaisBoy]

Mate I think it's the HSV VE series 1 & 2 clusters read to 280kph. Certainly 2 that I was looking at recently had those markings.

[Wonky]

Yeah, I believe it's only the E3 dash which only goes to 260kph. Can't wait to have mine in and working :yahoo: ........... whenever it happens. :(

[MTC]

Yeah, I believe it's only the E3 dash which only goes to 260kph. Can't wait to have mine in and working :yahoo: ........... whenever it happens. :(
Correct 260kph. Here is a Pic of Mine. :yup: (I also Have a few more to sell if anyone wants one)
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g57/MIKEVYII/IMG_1818.jpg

[BLACKVE]

Thread dig i know but thought i'd post my swap.

Bought a 3/09 maloo cluster(blackcover) to fit to my MY09 ss ute(built 10/08) thinking it also would have a black cover cluster, infact it had a white cover on cluster(suprised as i though MY09 onwards had the black cover)

Anyway doubledip programmed my cluster etc and all works well no issues at all.

If anyone thinking about cluster swaps he's the man.