narva ultra blue - not impressed

[MJR-57T]

I bought a set of narva ultra blues at $130 for high and low (H1 and H4)
(Oh at mums expense)

Lets just say im not that impressed.
The standard globes that i had in them seemed to throw out way more on road light.
Sure the ultra blues are heaps bright but they're like a really bright LED with no distance

Anyone else got narva ultra blues??

[pelagonia_ss]

Crystal Vision is the way to go.

[MJR-57T]

thats not what i asked but ill check them out

[FASTLS1]

yes, had the ultras once tried many "blue/white" halogen, not impressed at all.

if you want better vision than standard, go HID:goodjob:

[XLR8 V8]

The standard globes that i had in them seemed to throw out way more on road light.
Sure the ultra blues are heaps bright but they're like a really bright LED with no distance

That's because they are blue. Blue and violet are the shortest wavelength and highest frequency colors of visible light, and as such, they scatter the most readily.

[VL Executive]

Whats the point of these blue lights then, if they dont perform as well as the standard lights. Are they just for looks.

I think there are a couple in the old VL parts car I have. On the low beam. Because it puts out this white looking light that has an awful light penetration distance. Cant see much at all.

[[PHATSS]]

the Arctic blues aren't bad certainly alot better than the yellow light the standard globes gave off. i was gonna get Ultra Blues for my high beams but might not now.

[Alister]

I'd stay away from Crystal Visions too if you like to drive at night in the rain. They are great at night in clear conditions but are terrible in rain.

[Wonky]

That's because they are blue. Blue and violet are the shortest wavelength and highest frequency colors of visible light, and as such, they scatter the most readily.

:yup: In HIDs the higher the K rating the bluer they get and the less light they put out. The blue ones are for wank appeal..... I know it's not what the OP asked but 6000K seems about the closest to daylight and best to use in HIDs.

[HSV2BE]

I have the 'white' narva crystal vision globes. I'm not impressed either, I think they are for more look, than performance in terms of distance.

[Brendan]

The Philips VisionPlus or Narva +50 are the ones to go for.

The blue ones look purty but go the +50s if you want to actually see.

[KPWISHN]

Throw the aftermarket globe only things in the bin. Get a 5000K HID kit installed. I put a set in mine a couple of months back and they're unreal. You will literally be amazed at the difference. Probably some of the best coin I've spent on my car. They really are good.

[pelagonia_ss]

I'd stay away from Crystal Visions too if you like to drive at night in the rain. They are great at night in clear conditions but are terrible in rain.

Not for me they aren't! I have all the lights in the front end including foggies replaced with Crystal Vision.

[kpop]

I bought a set of narva ultra blues at $130

jeez, could have bought a full set of xenons for an extra $20

[255-LS1]

Throw the aftermarket globe only things in the bin. Get a 5000K HID kit installed. I put a set in mine a couple of months back and they're unreal. You will literally be amazed at the difference. Probably some of the best coin I've spent on my car. They really are good.

Aren't they really offensive in non projector style lights thou? have you ever been in strife with the cops for them, im considering them, my low beams in my VU are shit.. Did you get high and low or just low?

[dainese]

you can never expect better or more light from standard globes with 'colours' they effectively just have filters on them to give of desired colour.
so in effect you get 'less' light.

however, while HIDs are superior if your headlamp lens/design is not designed for it,you will get an uncontrolled spread of light wlhich may not be better as well. birghter, yes but not necessarily better.

i'll see if i can find a link to all this automotive lighting information.

i've had the narva's i think they were better than my standards, but not by much. they had a better throw, without that tinge.
i've put hids since then and its not much better than before. just brighter adn cooler looking.

[Pepps]

I had HIDs in my Evo and they were very hot and very impressive. You could see a long distance and when it rains you could see rain falling 100 metres away through the light, it was amazing.

Saying that, with the VY SS, Im looking for a wank factor colour light.

I need help in finding the whitest/bluest light for my headlights and foglights..
Any suggestions on brands people!? :)
I put a set in yesterday, the supercheap brand 'calibre' and the headlights are OK..but the foglights are still the same colour as factory yellow globes, only lighter & slightly off colour yellow, nowhere near the white/blue they advertise..very disappointed.

[MJR-57T]

I think ill go with the +50's again, had them in my VT and they were alright.
Thank god i saved the old globes to put back in for the moment.

What i really want to do is run a set of spotties on top bar on my ute but i want them totally removable with no brackets or holes.
And have the wire connections under the front of the tray
I want them for when im heading on the highway at night or in the bush camping ect ect.

Does anyone know of a universal spotlight mount that can be easily removed
All i can think about is the bullbar antenna mounts with the 2 U bolts

http://www.gme.net.au/public/images/products/mb104ss.jpg

or

http://www.gme.net.au/public/images/products/mb408b.jpg

[vh-holden]

I think ill go with the +50's again, had them in my VT and they were alright.
Thank god i saved the old globes to put back in for the moment.

What i really want to do is run a set of spotties on top bar on my ute but i want them totally removable with no brackets or holes.
And have the wire connections under the front of the tray
I want them for when im heading on the highway at night or in the bush camping ect ect.

Does anyone know of a universal spotlight mount that can be easily removed
All i can think about is the bullbar antenna mounts with the 2 U bolts




dad had a little nudge bar thingy on the vs wagon that screwed into where the number plate goes. driving lights then mounted on that. can't remember the brand though.

[MJR-57T]

dad had a little nudge bar thingy on the vs wagon that screwed into where the number plate goes. driving lights then mounted on that. can't remember the brand though.

Yea never been a fan of the nudge / roo bar.
I'd prefer to mount them to the bar behind the cab.
Nothing too big, just something for a little extra light.

Ive thought about welding 2 tabs on but that defeats the purpose

[nickm]

:yup: In HIDs the higher the K rating the bluer they get and the less light they put out. The blue ones are for wank appeal..... I know it's not what the OP asked but 6000K seems about the closest to daylight and best to use in HIDs.

that is 100% correct, if you want maximum brightness use a 6000k HID, if you want the wank factor of a blue headlight, use a 12,000k.

My mate distributes HID kits, he also does the full installation of them. If your really keen to get the wank factor up he can even get you coloured lamps, green, blue, purple, pink(more reddish than pink), blue purple and UV in common light temps

[duz12s]

i had the same problem in my car aswell,taken them out and put the standard ones back in.

[muzza]

As a general rule - unless you are after the rice/wank/Look At Me factor - stay away from any blue coloured globe. The blue filter actually cuts out the more useful portion of the light emitted, they have to run a bit hotter to make them create extra light (and glare)to overcome the missing bit and they have a shortened life because of that. Just because they look a bit similar to HID's doesn't mean they actually work as well - they dont and they are more painful for the other drivers coming at you.

And of course, they are priced to sucker in people who are after the R/W/LAM factor.....

Some good reading here: http://www.danielsternlighting.com/ Click on Tech, then Bulbs, Blue bulbs and Superwhites etc

The clear glass Narva plus 50's are about the best QH "xenon" incandescent globes to get.

[seldo]

If you are chasing actual light performance the very best light is 4300k which closest approximates natural day light - anything higher than that is pure wank and is counter-productive if you realy want to see where you are going as distinct from just pulling your dick.
I have 35w HID 4300k in my lows and 50w 6000k in my highs (because that's what they sent me contrary to my order) and the lows are far superior. High is still OK but not what it could be...
I've also tried 8000k 80w lows and 130w highs in incandescent (non HID)and they wouldn't light a fairy-fart.
Lights are very important and are not an area to succumb to wanky LAM tuggers...

[KCB50L]

Simple, graft a VZ front on and get projectors and or HID's.

[seldo]

Simple, graft a VZ front on and get projectors and or HID's.
I have projectors and HIDs...

[Wonky]

If you are chasing actual light performance the very best light is 4300k which closest approximates natural day light - anything higher than that is pure wank and is counter-productive if you realy want to see where you are going as distinct from just pulling your dick.
I have 35w HID 4300k in my lows and 50w 6000k in my highs (because that's what they sent me contrary to my order) and the lows are far superior. High is still OK but not what it could be...

Strangely enough seldo I disagree, although I have heard different HID manufacturers can differ. I had 6000k in both high and low on the SSV sedan because Gerald says 6000k is closest to daylight. When I went to order them for my ute plus worknssv's ute Gerald only had one set of 6000k 55w high beams so to get them in I said I'd take a set of 4300k, but we both have 6000k 35w low beam.

Compared to the crisp white 6000k low beam plus what my 6000k high beams were on the sedan I find the 4300k high beams a bit too yellowish for my liking so will probably end up buying a set of 6000k high beam globes.

[seldo]

Strangely enough seldo I disagree, although I have heard different HID manufacturers can differ. I had 6000k in both high and low on the SSV sedan because Gerald says 6000k is closest to daylight. When I went to order them for my ute plus worknssv's ute Gerald only had one set of 6000k 55w high beams so to get them in I said I'd take a set of 4300k, but we both have 6000k 35w low beam.

Compared to the crisp white 6000k low beam plus what my 6000k high beams were on the sedan I find the 4300k high beams a bit too yellowish for my liking so will probably end up buying a set of 6000k high beam globes.
Gaz - I just Googled "HID colours" and this was the first of umpteen links for you... http://www.blindinghid.com/hid-colors/
Seems to say it all.
BTW - I'm quite used to people not agreeing with me...;)

"You may be confused about which color to choose for your HID conversion kit. The color of the output is determined by the temperature. The lower the temperature (usually around 4300k or so) is the whitest and brightest. As you increase the temperature the color scales as well.
At 6000k you have a light blue, 8000k a deeper blue, 10,000k an starts to turn blue/purple, 12000k starts to turn to purple. I recommend anything between 4300k-8000k to look the best but also be extremely bright.

http://www.blindinghid.com/colors.gif
4300K Pure White
4300K has an approximately 3200lm output, which is more than 3x the light output of the traditional halogen light and is the color temperature with the most output. The light appears fairly white, and has light yellowish hue when reflected off the road identical to the OEM HID equipped vehicles. This color is for customers who are looking for pure performance while improving the looks of their headlights. It is ideal for customers who does a lot of back road or canyon driving and need the optimal visibility.
6000K Diamond White
6000K has an approximately 2800lm output, which is 3x the light output of the traditional halogen light and slightly less light output compared to the 5000K. Although it has a bit lesser light output, it emits pure white light with very slight and barely noticeable tint of blue and purple.
8000K Iceberg Blue
8000K has an approximately 2550lm output, which is about 3x the light output of the traditional halogen light and slightly less light output compared to the 6000K. While it has a bit lesser light output, it emits a more blue lighting than the 6000K
10000K Brilliant Blue
10000K has an approximately 2200lm output, which is more than 2x the light output of the traditional halogen light. 10000K produces a deep blue light output approaching violet and the blue is noticeably deeper than the 8000K.
12000K Exotic Violet/Purple
12000K has an approximately 2100lm output, which is more than 2x the light output of the traditional halogen light. This color temperature puts out a deep bluish violet light and is deeper colored than the 10000K. It is for a customer who is looking for the most extreme and most exotic looking light output. "
As I said - I have both 4300 and 6000 in Lo and Hi and think the 4300 is a better, brighter, light. Certainly produces more lumens which is the definitive test...:)

[Wonky]

Thanks seldo. I was happy to give the 4300k high beam a go on the understanding they were the most powerful, so in light (no pun intended :D) of the above info instead of going back to what I had on the sedan and getting 6000k high beams again to stop the annoying colour disparity between high and low beam, I should instead replace the 6000k low beams with 4300k. :idea:

[KPWISHN]

Aren't they really offensive in non projector style lights thou? have you ever been in strife with the cops for them, im considering them, my low beams in my VU are shit.. Did you get high and low or just low?

The kit I have is not too offensive. I did have to adjust them down from the way they were with the original lights though. I made my mrs drive up and down the street while I stood on the road looking at them and they look bright but definitely not anything I would take offense too. I have seen many around that are like this though.

I got High, low and parkers.

[MJR-57T]

Simple, graft a VZ front on and get projectors and or HID's.

And how much is that going to cost me

My HID diving lamp cost me $650 and thats just a single globe??

[muzza]

I reckon Seldo's right - optimum "temperature" for highest useful HID light output is around 4500 Kelvin.

The idiot blue bulb marketeers have highjacked the light "temperature" and the old more is better seems to be about as sophistocated as they get.

I've got 5000K HID in the Forester as stock and they are great, bit blue on start up but a clean even spread of white when warm (20 secs). They are a reflector style headlight. Mind you, I was pretty pleased with the VY SV8 headlights - they worked very well too for halogens.

[Wonky]

And how much is that going to cost me

My HID diving lamp cost me $650 and thats just a single globe??

Gerald at Gadgetmaster (www.gadgetmaster.com.au) where many of us on here get our HID kits from has quality 35w kits for $200 and 50w kits for $250, but if you tell him you are an LS1 forum member he will give you a discount. Quality Phillips globes. I'd recommend starting off with just low beams, which is all I had in my VZ.

There are certainly cheaper kits around as I know a friend of a friend just got some for $70 on eBay, but the quality is dubious. I've had Gerald's kits in one car for 18 mths and the SSV I just sold for close to 2 years (high and low beam) with never a globe or ballast failure. In fact I've only heard of one person who did and Gerald immediately sent him a new ballast with no hassles.

[Pepps]

6-8000k looks the goods for me !! :D lol