will ve clutch hold 300+rws??

[vessm]

Wanna know if standard clutch will hold 300 or more rws?

or should it be upgraded

[VESSV316]

Simple answer NO

[6.2L.Club]

No it won't, well, not for long....and Yes....it should

[vessm]

bloody wish holden werent stupid, id rather spend money else where then 2k on clutch but guess i have to if wanna cam

[BLACKVE]

Guess it depends how you drive it, mines done over 14000km's since cam upgrade and very few probs with slipping etc has been smelly a few times but always come good. Just did a track day with full abuse and no probs at all. Last dyno run was 322rwkw's.

Cheers Paul

[HSVQUE]

Yeah depends how you drive mate.. My A6 lasted 1 day after I did new mods lol.

Some cars go alright with the stock clutch and mods.. but there usually old ppl :D

[planetdavo]

Most people would be seriously offended if a proper expert went for a drive with them and told them just how much they actually abuse their clutches every day...

[macca33]

Most people would be seriously offended if a proper expert went for a drive with them and told them just how much they actually abuse their clutches every day...
Well, not exactly the case Davo - more a case of expecting the clutch to cope with far more than the engineers designed it for.

I am far from abusive on the third pedal, however, with 290+rwkw, my oem clutch indicated it had had enough, resulting in a change to a better unit.

cheers

[VZMY06SS]

My VZ clutch was fine for around 25k of 300rwkw cam, and around 15k before hand with 270rwkw. Also went to two test and tune days as well as receiving plenty of WOT. The car had done 70k all up when the clutch started to slip, so I guess it had done its job. It was only in the week before i changed it that it started to slip regularly. Probably because i gave it a bit of a harder time seeing as I had a new one in the garage..
If by hold you mean put it in a gear, clutch out and then accelerate, then yes it will hold 300rwkw.
If you mean will it hold up to big RPM clutch drops and blips, then it won't last for long.
It always suprises me when you hear of people saying that they've just got a tune and are in need of a new clutch right afterwards..:1peek:

Steve

[uteme]

12,000k's done now pushing 410rwkw on a ve ute running standard clutch

[steve_t]

12,000k's done now pushing 410rwkw on a ve ute running standard clutch

Wow! Are u driving like a nana most of the time? Or even just drive 'normally'? Or has it had a bit of 'fun' as well?
Good job either way!

[SSV8TE]

IMO standard clutch will hack 270 rwkw's just for a while. Mine lasted around 5 to 6000 km's then just started to slip on hard take offs. So to not risk dissaster i replaced with fidanza and ls7 clutch. Excellent now with stock characteristics.
So i would vote NO to your original Question.
Cheers,

Andy.

[HYMEY]

I can be hard on my clutch, it died shortly after I fitted a cam. Got a tex Z grip in now. Just finished a 4000km round trip. Its bedded in nicely.

[Uncle Tone]

Well, not exactly the case Davo - more a case of expecting the clutch to cope with far more than the engineers designed it for.

I am far from abusive on the third pedal, however, with 290+rwkw, my oem clutch indicated it had had enough, resulting in a change to a better unit.

cheers

I'm afraid I'd have to agree with Davo on this one Macca :( You guys really do abuse your cars to the point overstepping the rational boundaries of mechanical sympathy:stick: Have some respect FFS!! :lol:

OP: 380rwkw twin turbo using stock clutch. Still retains that stock feel (obviously) and I haven't had a drama in over 12 months and nearly 16000km with the turbos on.

Its all about how you use it. I'm pretty gentle on my car and the clutch doesn't get slipped, and full power is applied only when the clutch is fully engaged.

Stick with this and you won't have a problem. :D

[macca33]

UT, Miss Daisy and Morgan Freeman are quicker to the shops than you'll ever be and they're in a horse and cart...:stick:

I reckon I once saw a 6yo on a tricycle belt past you on the street mate - and that was uphill.

cheers

[EXCESSV]

nope wont handle it if u drive it like its supposed to be driven.
if like UT u bought a V8 expecting Excel fuel figures and drive it as if it has that amount of ponies at the rears then i dare say 400rwkw+ will be fine with stock clutch.

but realistically NO CHANCE.
mine after a cam change didnt handle anymore than 3500rpm..then it slipped all the way to redline in any gear! :lol:
i went:
8km - 6000km stock mods, stock clutch
6000km-15000km mods = 254rwkw, stock clutch
15000km - 22000km mods = 275rwkw, stock clutch
22,000km cam went in @ lazy 310rwkw...stock clutch told me to fcuk off!
23,000km to 60,000km today = 323rwkw with aftermarket SQP clutch = cant break it! :lol:

[CarlFST60L]

If you asked the question "Will the clutch hold 300kwrw" the answer is yes. If you asked the questions "Will I be able to drive my car anywhere near the limit of performance at 300kwrw" the answer is no way.

imo, driving your M6 quick off the mark requires slipping of the clutch to limit torque to the back wheels, this slip on stock clutch kills it very very quickly. With non turbo applications a 300kwrw car makes its power INSTANTLY and aggressively, so there is no 'smooth' transition of torque like in the turbo cars. Not sure if this makes sense, but applying way above stock torque 'instantly' will cause the clutch to slip, applying gradual torque allows it not to slip as the difference in torque as boost builds isnt as great as going from nothing to everything instantly. Its like driving along in 1st at 4000rpm and stomping the throttle, the car spins, but, if you just hold WOT off idle, you can get it to just grip as goes past 4000rpm. So harsh sudden changes in torque = bad.


Turbo car's are 100% stock off boost (assuming they are otherwise stock lol) which helps protect the clutch from the instant kick in the ass of a high powered (>300kwrw) cam'd car. But you would still need to a TT like a little girl to protect the clutch :stick:

Im by no means saying a turbo car should have a stock clutch, just trying to make sense of why they can still work with a stocker to some degree

[mikek73xu1]

Hard launches will kill it - eg:1/4 mile stuff.
For road driving get it rolling in 1st before applying full throttle and if you make proper gear changes without causing any clutch slip it will be fine.
Its been said before - the std clutch has enough clamp pressure.

[Darkrayne]

I dont race mine or anything but give it the odd decent squirt.. the stock clutch is holding for now.. but even once its fully engaged im still getting slip from like 3600rpm and above lol. I do plan on upgrading mine eg Mal wood option 3 sometime soon. Id recommend upgrading it if you plan on using the power :D running around 333rwkw atm... about 750nm's.

[planetdavo]

Well, not exactly the case Davo - more a case of expecting the clutch to cope with far more than the engineers designed it for.

I am far from abusive on the third pedal, however, with 290+rwkw, my oem clutch indicated it had had enough, resulting in a change to a better unit.

cheers
No offence macca33, but I honestly didn't expect many people on this performance forum to either agree with me or like what I posted. People are upping the power 30% plus. Can't expect to have your cake and eat it too all the time... :teach:

[macca33]

No offence macca33, but I honestly didn't expect many people on this performance forum to either agree with me or like what I posted. People are upping the power 30% plus. Can't expect to have your cake and eat it too all the time... :teach:
I think I did agree with you Davo - hence the 'case of expecting the clutch to cope with far more than the engineers designed it for' comment.

Not everybody is out to upset you!

cheers

[Blown 540]

nope wont handle it if u drive it like its supposed to be driven.
if like UT u bought a V8 expecting Excel fuel figures and drive it as if it has that amount of ponies at the rears then i dare say 400rwkw+ will be fine with stock clutch.

but realistically NO CHANCE.
mine after a cam change didnt handle anymore than 3500rpm..then it slipped all the way to redline in any gear! :lol:
i went:
8km - 6000km stock mods, stock clutch
6000km-15000km mods = 254rwkw, stock clutch
15000km - 22000km mods = 275rwkw, stock clutch
22,000km cam went in @ lazy 310rwkw...stock clutch told me to fcuk off!
23,000km to 60,000km today = 323rwkw with aftermarket SQP clutch = cant break it! :lol:


Stock clutch lasted a fair while there Dean.

But thats probably cause you drive like my granny.:moon::nutkick::lmao::lmao:

[Uwish]

I have 300kw atw in my R8 and still on the stock clutch.
After tax getting a cam put in so I think I'll need a new clutch!
After I settle my divorce i'll be going SC or TT not sure yet. So I'll get a clutch to handle that expected power 400rwkw +++

[sheeks84]

The stock clutch in my wagon started to play up before i had even done any mods. Once i hopped up the power a bit it was a joke.
Pushing nearly 280rwkw now, so had the lads at Autotechnique fit a Clutch Industries setup. Huge difference. Shuddered a bit for the first two weeks, now is a smooth as silk.
If your going to go anywhere over standard HP, stock clutch will start having a hard time if you drive the car with a bit of agro. If you baby it around there is no reason it wont last for quite some time.
Me, i enjoy giving my car the thrashing it deserves!

[EXCESSV]

Stock clutch lasted a fair while there Dean.

But thats probably cause you drive like my granny.:moon::nutkick::lmao::lmao::lmao: smart ass dave :moon:

[Martin_D]

Turbo car's are 100% stock off boost (assuming they are otherwise stock lol) which helps protect the clutch from the instant kick in the ass of a high powered (>300kwrw) cam'd car.

You got this upside down Carl....cam only cars have no kick in the arse, they start out ok and finish up ok in a nice linear curve all the way, there is no sudden rush to torque that 'opens' clutches :)

[CarlFST60L]

You got this upside down Carl....cam only cars have no kick in the arse, they start out ok and finish up ok in a nice linear curve all the way, there is no sudden rush to torque that 'opens' clutches :)

Obviously this is hard to talk about from behind a keyboard, but what I was trying to get at was things like this. Your at the lights, you have a 340kwrw cam'd LS3, you have a stock clutch, you hold 2000rpm, you slip the clutch for a fraction second and hit full throttle, you end burning your clutch up as the torque is there instantly, nothing to cushion the blow of power. Same thing again now in a TT V8 with around 350kwrw, similar power to the cam job, you do the same thing, factory clutch, 2000rpm, ride the clutch for a fraction of a second, there's no boost yet, so it just grips as you are essentially driving a factory car until the boost gets going, which is only half a second or so, but its long enough for you to have gotten the clutch speed to match flywheel using near factory power and its all before the rush of toruqe happens. You know what i mean? Im not trying to say that your going to 'break traction' with the clutch while under load, im trying to say while you using the clutch, the power deliever of the cam is more brutal, once the clutch is engaged, its not relaly going to slip so much unless you have insane power, it overheats, or that boost comes in very very sharply.

And whats this about no kick in the ass from a cam'd car? :lol: Come on Tuna, you know what its like to drive a 330kwrw cam'd car, instant torque anywhere any time, what it doesn't have is the kick in the ass when the boost finally arrives :lol: :stick:

[Martin_D]

Carl, lets compare apples with apples.....cam cars have lag from idle to redline, but they do indeed rev hard, and thats their appeal on the track, they rev like bad ass mofos (if setup right)....and you launch them with big revs to get them moving, and thats the whole screaming and smashing gears track murder thing, it only has to work for a few hundred metres, and if you get the launch right even paltry gutless mph numbers are ok for a slip time :)

Slipping the clutch out and getting wheelspin is ok, but when it happens without the clutch being pumped in 2nd, 3rd, and even 4th, just mashing the throttle, thats where the bad man lives. Try it. I've owned both, you might like it, but comparisons are void :cool:

Go back and look at your dyno graph and calculate Nm gained vs RPM....thats what kills clutches, well actually that or shit drivers :eek:

[planetdavo]

I think I did agree with you Davo - hence the 'case of expecting the clutch to cope with far more than the engineers designed it for' comment.

Not everybody is out to upset you!

cheers
Aren't they? I thought anyone dealer or manufacturer affiliated on forums automatically gets a target painted on their back..:confused:
Anyway, the biggest factor with clutch life is driver abuse, not "moderate" power increases. I had a learning session with a major clutch manufacturer years ago, and the amount of driver induced clutch failures they can prove is mind boggling!
Adding serious life to serial clutch abusers clutches adds noticeable cost, and as this falls outside the boundries of "reasonable" use under warranty, it is of no real importance to a manufacturer of new vehicles. :)

[Uncle Tone]

UT, Miss Daisy and Morgan Freeman are quicker to the shops than you'll ever be and they're in a horse and cart...:stick:

I reckon I once saw a 6yo on a tricycle belt past you on the street mate - and that was uphill.

cheers

Oh yeah? :toetap:

You me dragstrip now, Maccarator. :evil:

Lets see who's first to the return road :D

[planetdavo]

Funds approved for a "show me yours, I'll show you mine" battle to the end...

[CarlFST60L]

Carl, lets compare apples with apples.....cam cars have lag from idle to redline, but they do indeed rev hard, and thats their appeal on the track, they rev like bad ass mofos (if setup right)....and you launch them with big revs to get them moving, and thats the whole screaming and smashing gears track murder thing, it only has to work for a few hundred metres, and if you get the launch right even paltry gutless mph numbers are ok for a slip time :)

Slipping the clutch out and getting wheelspin is ok, but when it happens without the clutch being pumped in 2nd, 3rd, and even 4th, just mashing the throttle, thats where the bad man lives. Try it. I've owned both, you might like it, but comparisons are void :cool:


Martin, I have driven both a single and twin turbo V8, so yeah, i know how they go. And I have been talking about street cars on street tyres, my example even had 2000rpm launchs. Im talking daily drivers like the I believe the thread starter is talking not these big crazy cars you seem to be talking about.

One day I will probably finally get around to having $20K to setup a TT car how I want it. And it will sure be much nicer as a daily than any cam'd car I have driven. But im not trying to sell anything, no bias, no care.

[Martin_D]

But im not trying to sell anything, no bias, no care.

Thats fine, but when you post regarding torque curves, just get it right.
A turbocharged LSX will always make a faster ramp to torque and have more torque than a normally aspirated LSX of the same capacity.....hence they are harder on clutches. Cam only cars have wide lazy torque curves. Turbo cars have shorter peakier curves :)

[CarlFST60L]

Thats fine, but when you post regarding torque curves, just get it right.
A turbocharged LSX will always make a faster ramp to torque and have more torque than a normally aspirated LSX of the same capacity.....hence they are harder on clutches. Cam only cars have wide lazy torque curves. Turbo cars have shorter peakier curves :)

I have never said a turbo ls1 is going to make less torque than NA, that would make me a retard.

[Martin_D]

My experience in the matter shows that 340rwkw cam only LS3s (not that we have quite got that far! :lol:) need radical enough valve events that they struggle to make the torque of a stock engine at 2000rpm. You cant actually have your cake and eat it in this department :)

[CarlFST60L]

Yeah, i've never seen or driven a 340kwrw LS3, only a 340kwrw H+C and a few other bits LS2.

You know what, even a baby cam car makes more torque than any of your TT kits, its all at the moment off boost, especially down low. I will take a guess and say that even my little baby cam'd LS2 would make more torque at 1000rpm - 2000rpm than any of your TT kits rolling off idle :hide:

Im in for it now :lol:

[Martin_D]

Im in for it now :lol:

No you're not :cool:
Just another example of how you dont actually have to know what you are talking about to post 'facts' on the internet. I dont hold it against you. All good :)

[CarlFST60L]

No you're not :cool:
Just another example of how you dont actually have to know what you are talking about to post 'facts' on the internet. I dont hold it against you. All good :)

I did say I will take a guess, teach us.

So your saying off idle torque will be higher in a TT V8? So without any boost coming off idle, the stock motor will produce more torque?

[Martin_D]

No its actually quite simple, and thanks for the offer of a teaching spot :teach:
Clutches are held engaged via their clamp, a combination of spring pressure and CoF (Coefficient Of Friction) of the material - which alters with heat. Its when this clamp force is broken without the clutch being manually disengaged (think pedal) that slip occurs.

Torque is required to break the clamp. The more torque you have on board, the closer to breaking the clamp you get :)

What this doesnt take into account is the 'dingleberry' effect. Drivers that try to pump and slip the clutch to show off the V8 Supercar DNA of their vehicle. They heat the clutch excessively and lower the CoF hence the torque for slip requirement falls away sharply. Hence many low powered 'hotties' have slipping clutches, and some high powered sleepers can get away with the stocker. There endeth the lesson for today....time for some paid work :lol:

[vessm]

So really in the end where i started this thread, if i do cam or turbo i will need to get a better clutch, which i will be now anyway may aswell do it all at once

[CarlFST60L]

So really in the end where i started this thread, if i do cam or turbo i will need to get a better clutch, which i will be now anyway may aswell do it all at once

My advice as a dangle berry would be a big yes to an upgraded clutch unless you don't plan to drive your car near the limit or ever slipping the clutch. But you will need to ask Martin as this dangle berry has it all wrong :lol:

[vr5speedv6]

I've started a thread (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=117956) on whether the LS7 clutch is fitted to the LS3 motors. Any help from the guru's would be appreciated:goodjob:

[Blown 540]

So really in the end where i started this thread, if i do cam or turbo i will need to get a better clutch, which i will be now anyway may aswell do it all at once

As Carl said,change the clutch mate ,there a quite a few around now,pick one that takes your fancy and your wallet.

[BOOGER]

May I expand on this question by asking how would the VE A6 transmission hold up against 280rwkw - 310rwkw?

I'm planning to do headers + dual 3 inch, OTR, small to medium cam and a tune in my VE SSV so I'm guessing around 300rwkw would be pretty achievable. Is the standard auto box going to withstand that? what about the fuel system?

[Blown 540]

It will hold it,when you get your tune done get them to tighten the box up for you to.

[BadSeed]

Oh yeah? :toetap:

You me dragstrip now, Maccarator. :evil:

Lets see who's first to the return road :D

macca will win, you'll have a burnt out clutch :jester:

[uteme]

Wow! Are u driving like a nana most of the time? Or even just drive 'normally'? Or has it had a bit of 'fun' as well?
Good job either way!

You can't have that much under the right foot and not use it. It's still a rush hitting that peddle.

The standard clutch is strong enough to handle it. I find it's when you apply to much right foot before letting enough left foot off is when it becomes unhappy.


I'm afraid I'd have to agree with Davo on this one Macca :( You guys really do abuse your cars to the point overstepping the rational boundaries of mechanical sympathy:stick: Have some respect FFS!! :lol:

OP: 380rwkw twin turbo using stock clutch. Still retains that stock feel (obviously) and I haven't had a drama in over 12 months and nearly 16000km with the turbos on.

Its all about how you use it. I'm pretty gentle on my car and the clutch doesn't get slipped, and full power is applied only when the clutch is fully engaged.

Stick with this and you won't have a problem. :D

I agree fully. Nothing will last when treated like sh*t

[CarlFST60L]

I agree fully. Nothing will last when treated like sh*t

Driving fast is not treating something like shit. Shit fuel, bad tune, failing to service, trashing it while cold, using shit oil, big stand still burnouts, circuit racing at the limit for more than 5minutes at a time and things like that is how you treat these cars like shit. Getting to 100km/h in 4 seconds is not treating a car like shit :cheers:

[SS-355]

Whats the point of increasing the power of your vehicle if you plan on driving it like a stocker.Welll said Carl.

[uteme]

Driving fast is not treating something like shit. Shit fuel, bad tune, failing to service, trashing it while cold, using shit oil, big stand still burnouts, circuit racing at the limit for more than 5minutes at a time and things like that is how you treat these cars like shit. Getting to 100km/h in 4 seconds is not treating a car like shit :cheers:

Driving a vehicle beyond what it or a componant is capable of is not what I would call sympathetic. At least everyone on here with all the clutch threads should know how a standard VE clutch handles. If you drive in a way not suited to it then in my opinion which prob does not count for much you are treating it like shit and have no reason to complain about it when it dies.

Once again I have been running 410rwkw 690nm for over 12,000ks on standard clutch. As per another post on this thread. The VE clutch has no probs holding this kind of grunt it the continued slipping it doesn't like. This is controlled by you the driver.

Maybe some people need to be reminded they have not purchased a street legal race car.

[duke5700]

"Oh yes I have 400rwkw and get 8.2l per 100km's still on the stock clutch how fabulous". Yep automotive car enthusiest come in limp wristed form as well.:limpy:

Why bother? Its like having a model for a wife and just looking at her :limpy:

You can't use 400rwkw to its potential on the street:1peek: and if you do use it on the race track your going to try and go as fast as possible? as isn't that the point?

[Uncle Tone]

Whats the point of increasing the power of your vehicle if you plan on driving it like a stocker.

Whats the point of buying a nice car if all you are going to do is thrash it and wreck it? :toetap:


"Oh yes I have 400rwkw and get 8.2l per 100km's still on the stock clutch how fabulous". Yep automotive car enthusiest come in limp wristed form as well.:limpy:

Why bother? Its like having a model for a wife and just looking at her :limpy:

You can't use 400rwkw to its potential on the street:1peek: and if you do use it on the race track your going to try and go as fast as possible? as isn't that the point?

Believe it or not, it is possible to enjoy your car without something breaking or needing replacing all the time. Its called respect for the equipment, rather than abuse for the sake of saying I drive my car hard so I'm a big man.

No use having a model for a girlfriend if all you are going to do is beat the shit out of her mate.....You wanna give her a nice smooch when her face is all bleeding, swollen and cut, and you're the one who did it?

Didn't think so. :doh:

[duke5700]

Believe it or not, it is possible to enjoy your car without something breaking or needing replacing all the time. Its called respect for the equipment, rather than abuse for the sake of saying I drive my car hard so I'm a big man.

No use having a model for a girlfriend if all you are going to do is beat the shit out of her mate.....You wanna give her a nice smooch when her face is all bleeding, swollen and cut, and you're the one who did it?

Didn't think so. :doh:

Ok, how bout I rephrase it for you UT. It’s like having a model wife, but when you go to make sweet sweet love to her, another part of you just doesn’t rise to the occasion. It’s not “up” to spec so to speak.

It is going to be like that feeling when your factory clutch lets you down on the side of the road.

It really has nothing to do with being a big man or anything else. People have different expectations of their cars. If I had 300rwkw, I sure as hell want to be able to use 300rwkw all the time. Not do one quick sprint from 0-100kp/h and then have to wait for the clutch to cool.

I have and always will, develop my cars to reach there potential as a whole package. No point in something, like a clutch, valve springs or bad engineering letting the team down.

You could leave it at this, if you going to be mechanically very sympathetic to your ride then, yep maybe you will get 20 or more thousand k’s out of the clutch.

If you intend on doing anything more than that you will fry the factory clutch as it is way out of its intended limitations.:)

[planetdavo]

Where's my popcorn...? :hide:

[Martin_D]

They gonna start beating each other with keyboards pretty soon :)

[CarlFST60L]

I wouldn't be doing more than a few quick squirts with a setup like Tones either, its not a track / race car... Treat it nicely and it will last a long and healthy life, run it hard at WOT for 5 minutes and you will have more than a clutch to worry about.

[Uncle Tone]

Ok, how bout I rephrase it for you UT. It’s like having a model wife, but when you go to make sweet sweet love to her, another part of you just doesn’t rise to the occasion. It’s not “up” to spec so to speak.

It is going to be like that feeling when your factory clutch lets you down on the side of the road.

It really has nothing to do with being a big man or anything else. People have different expectations of their cars. If I had 300rwkw, I sure as hell want to be able to use 300rwkw all the time. Not do one quick sprint from 0-100kp/h and then have to wait for the clutch to cool.

I have and always will, develop my cars to reach there potential as a whole package. No point in something, like a clutch, valve springs or bad engineering letting the team down.

You could leave it at this, if you going to be mechanically very sympathetic to your ride then, yep maybe you will get 20 or more thousand k’s out of the clutch.

If you intend on doing anything more than that you will fry the factory clutch as it is way out of its intended limitations.:)

Well if you're going to make comparisons to making sweet sweet love to your model wife, I might suggest that you do it with passion but some restraint, and respect the way she needs to be treated to return the love you're bestowing upon her......:love2:

Not to ram your passion piston up her so violently, brutally and unmercifully that it forces her lower intestine, a kidney, and her liver straight up her oesophagus until the whole contents of her abdomen is flowing out of her mouth and covering everything with blood and half digested Chicken Kiev!! :slap:

I think that too many people on here expect their road car to perform like a race car.....but unless its a race car, it won't have been built for it.


They gonna start beating each other with keyboards pretty soon :)

I save my keyboard for the dragstrip mate :D

[duke5700]

:lol: your such an man of understatement. Think more along the lines of trying to do it without foreplay UT. Such a better experience when everything is prepared for the frivolities at hand.

As such this thread is way o/t and I bid you all a good night.

[planetdavo]

I have one pretty simple comment to add.
If you did everything that everyone said is a "must" on this forum, your "street car" would almost exceed the cost of a full blown HRT race car.
Selectively purchasing to your own requirements is the key. :teach:

[Uncle Tone]

:lol: your such an man of understatement. Think more along the lines of trying to do it without foreplay UT. Such a better experience when everything is prepared for the frivolities at hand.

As such this thread is way o/t and I bid you all a good night.

Nye nye mate. Hope you changed the sheets from last night! Must look like the scene of a homicide in your room! :lol:

[duke5700]

No model girlfriend here... I can only afford one self-righteous, stubborne, money swallowing, snobby pain in the ass. I chose the one that doesnt talk back.



Giselle if you read this I promise I mostly joking.... Don't hit me:1peek:

[SS-355]

Whats the point of buying a nice car if all you are going to do is thrash it and wreck it? :toetap:

My car wont be the one that stinks of burnt clutch every time i feel the urge for a little spirited driving.Like having a model girlfriend with bad bo.:rofl:To get the thread back on track if you do your driving on a dyno ,keyboard or at the pub then the factory clutch will be fine.If you plan on actually using 300rwkw on the street or track then you will need to replace the clutch.ive done 15000kms and 50 passes of trouble free motoring with this power and a z grip tex.

[Uncle Tone]

My car wont be the one that stinks of burnt clutch every time i feel the urge for a little spirited driving.Like having a model girlfriend with bad bo.:rofl:To get the thread back on track if you do your driving on a dyno ,keyboard or at the pub then the factory clutch will be fine.If you plan on actually using 300rwkw on the street or track then you will need to replace the clutch.ive done 15000kms and 50 passes of trouble free motoring with this power and a z grip tex.

The only time my clutch has ever slipped was on the dyno, loading it up before a run. It has never slipped on the street. Second it spins the tyres, and third, when its not spinning and it hooks up there is not a hint of slip.

If I was to slip and ride the clutch like an old pensioner of course I would wreck it at my power level. You can drive round the shortcomings of a clutch......as many people do when they stick hi-po clutches in......just for differet reasons :)

[planetdavo]

The mods are going to shut this thread down if two people can't agree to disagree with each other fairly soon...

[CarlFST60L]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/2000899/Man-admits-having-sex-with-1000-cars.html

[SS-355]

Fair enough UT,guess we will all just have to wait for a "FUNDS APPROVED FOR NEW CLUTCH THREAD" for you to accept the inevitable.:love2:

[planetdavo]

Fair enough UT,guess we will all just have to wait for a "FUNDS APPROVED FOR NEW CLUTCH THREAD" for you to accept the inevitable.:love2:
A small word of advice.
Not everything that many say is a "must have" on forums is actually a must have for many people...:teach:

[TLX]

Fair point Davo....my stocky clutch held my 400rwk GTS no problems for 8000kms:)

[Uncle Tone]

Fair point Davo....my stocky clutch held my 400rwk GTS no problems for 8000kms:)

AHA!!! :teach:


See? :nutkick:

[VZMY06SS]

As has been said. If you slip it, the factory one will not last, but if you can manage to restrain your left foot until you can get the clutch right out, then the stock one will serve.
A stock clutch provides very similar clamping force to that of an aftermarket clutch when cold, it's when they get too hot that aftermarket clutches slip.

Maybe think of your stock clutch as your model wife, who doesn't like being beaten up.. If your gonna beat her to a pulp all the time, she will always be complaining-you'd be better off with a not so pretty wife who doesn't mind your roughness.
If you want to stick with the model wife, then you will have to learn how to treat her right.

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[steve_t]

The analogy's not quite right as the 'treat em mean, keep em keen' school of thought doesn't apply to clutches. If you ignore your clutch for a bit, it doesn't work harder to please you :rofl::rofl: :lmao: