Which Super Charger?

[Hubcap]

What supercharger should I get? I have an SSV and was looking at the Walky and CAPA superchargers. The Walkinshaw appears to be substantially more expensive and resulting in less rwkw than the CAPA (approx 30-40kw). Has anyone done a comparison? Currently I have Walkinshaw stage 1 ie, revised Catback exhaust, intake and tune. :toetap:

Phil

[joffa]

thing is the walkinshaw would make bucketloads of torque off idle basically, whereas the capa one (vortech?), wouldn't really start to make big power until you're up in the higher end of the rev range. it would really come down to how you drive the car and what you want out of it. do you want it to pull like a freight train or do you like to rev the guts out of it?

[Steve-LS2]

Get a procharger, they have a specific kit designed in the US for the G8 which bolts on directly. They have the r&d to back up their claims.

Check out Darkrayne's SSV.

[CarlFST60L]

I honestly have nfi, but the H112 must be ok as a few people rate it.

[vyc4b]

As stated earlier, get a ProCharger.....
DR's car is an absolute cracker, so was his old SS.
Cheers.

[mikek73xu1]

Its well worth a look on the Procharger website.

[gladrock]

What supercharger should I get? I have an SSV and was looking at the Walky and CAPA superchargers. The Walkinshaw appears to be substantially more expensive and resulting in less rwkw than the CAPA (approx 30-40kw). Has anyone done a comparison? Currently I have Walkinshaw stage 1 ie, revised Catback exhaust, intake and tune. :toetap:

Phil

Hi!

The site sponsor http://www.harrop.com.au/

They do a couple of options. My favorite is the HH122

Exciting Stuff


What supercharger should I get? I have an SSV and was looking at the Walky and CAPA superchargers. The Walkinshaw appears to be substantially more expensive and resulting in less rwkw than the CAPA (approx 30-40kw). Has anyone done a comparison? Currently I have Walkinshaw stage 1 ie, revised Catback exhaust, intake and tune. :toetap:

Phil

Hi!

The site sponsor http://www.harrop.com.au/

They do a couple of options. My favorite is the HH122

Exciting Stuff

[MitchyVYSS]

Isn't the ProCharger more expensive again? I remember getting a quote for around $15K installed

[pro 346]

The capa vortech kit works really well on ve 6 litres suprised me and a lot of others:)

[boyley]

The capa vortech kit works really well on ve 6 litres suprised me and a lot of others:)

This is true I know of two in sydney that are absolute animals and contrary to popular belief the have a linear torque curve:goodjob:

[hsv364]

At the end of the day mate it comes down to personal choice ! They all work well and most have been around for some time . You will only here peoples opinions on what they prefer not necessarily the best option for yourself . Have a look at Marks Workshop website for some info ?


Clinton

[Hubcap]

Many thanks for all your responses and references to various sites. They have been truly a great help and I have contacted a number of brands to finally make up my mind.

Regards

Phil :goodjob:

[fastestls7]

and the winner is? w?hat brand did you choose
Many thanks for all your responses and references to various sites. They have been truly a great help and I have contacted a number of brands to finally make up my mind.

Regards

Phil :goodjob:

[Hubcap]

and the winner is? w?hat brand did you choose

Will stick with the Walky boys. Even Procharger recommended them as I live in Brisbane. It'll cost more but the work they have done so far is impeccable!:bow:

[ls2 cruiser]

So when you say walky, do you mean you are fitting a harrop HH122? Is it Powertorque who is doing the job? I am about to fit a HH122 to my landcruiser which has a Ls2 in it. I am doing the install myself after doing a lot of homework. The low down torque of these blowers is incredible. You wont be dissapointed if you choose the HH122. Cheers Russ

[Justin@CAPA]

Hi Phil

We can supply both Vortech and Eaton kits for your car give me a call and i will discuss your options with both kits. Or even give me a PM. We have just posted the new Eaton kits we can supply on our website.

http://www.capa.com.au/kits_holden_ve_v8.htm#eaton

Regards

Justin

[Uwish]

I am looking at this kit seriously over the APS TT kit

VE HSV LS-2 6.0L Eaton Rotor MP2300, Intercooled
Retail Price: $10,950.00
Rated Horsepower of Kit: 535kW

The MP1900 and MP2300 are the quietest positive displacement superchargers available.

Parts Included:
Eaton MP2300 Rotor Supercharger (Black Finish)
Cast Aluminium Manifold
Water to Air Intercooler
Intake Pipework

NOTE: Fuel System Required, Not Supplied in Kit.
NOTE: Tune Required, Not Supplied in Kit.
NOTE: Exhaust Upgrade Required, Not Supplied in Kit.

Comments:
The MP2300 Supercharger Kit is our largest, premium roots type supercharger kit for VZ-VE V8 Commodores. Installation of the MP2300 kit will result in an extra 280 horsepower at the wheels on a standard engine (complete exhaust, injectors and tuning required).

Magna Charger’s new MP2300 (140 cubic in) supercharger technology is the same used for the new LS9 Corvette. The four-lobe rotor design features a high-twist 160º helix that has improved efficiency (less power to drive), cooler discharge temperatures and is much quieter. Additional efficiency is the result of the unique bypass valve that reduces parasitic losses during normal driving. The Magna Charger also interfaces seamlessly with the GM Active Fuel Management system that cuts the engine to four cylinders at light throttle.

Systems come complete with a new aluminium intake manifold, integral water-to-air intercooler, and all necessary brackets, connectors, hardware and any needed specialized tools. The supercharger has a self-contained lubrication system that is maintenance-free. A full instruction manual with colour photos makes the step-by-step installation process easy to follow.

* Power gains may vary depending on vehicle application.

[exwrx]

Uwish IIRC you already hve an APS kit?

Not trying to turn this into a turbo v blower debate but why would you go from turbo to blower? :)

[XUV]

so which one is a pure bolt on ?
ie . no new exhaust or fuel system required .
a tune is a given and
to intercool or not to intercool - pros cons .

[Darkrayne]

My Procharger only required a maf tune and bigger injectors.. 453rwhp or 338rwkw @ 7lb max.. stock exhaust stock everything ;) runs a very efficient 3 core air to air intercooler too. Has been nothing but reliable.. touch wood lol. Doesnt give alot away .. I like the stealth approach after having a fairly loud cammed vy ss..

[pagey]

so which one is a pure bolt on ?
ie . no new exhaust or fuel system required .
a tune is a given and
to intercool or not to intercool - pros cons .

Probably the simplest solution would be the HArrop/Pwr style SC.
In tank pump $350
60lb Injectors $600
Tune.

As above.. can be done with std exhaust etc.. just limits teh end gain a little. But should still be fine for ~ 320 - 340 safe reliable rwkw.

[Uwish]

Uwish IIRC you already hve an APS kit?

Not trying to turn this into a turbo v blower debate but why would you go from turbo to blower? :)

No, I am trying to decide which one to buy....After my Divorce!
Present to myself:goodjob:

[leokerrie]

I have a Vortech V2 on my VY and am very happy with performance
dosent seem to make any difference untill 3500 revs.
Then hang on for the ride.
Is not intercooled so far.
have an alloy intake fitted with big K&N filter behind bumper
ran it at wsid last nite and managed 13.1 babying it off the mark as standard clutch dosent like the blower
managed to get 112.5 MPH or 181kph at the end
so if ya want your power at the top end go a vortech
otherwise go an eaton or similar and you will get the go down low

[XUV]

Thanks , HSV's a bigger exhaust anyway , big enuff ???

The funny thing is when I bought my XUV ,
I sent a mate to pick it up , as it was bought in sydney ,

He said '' do you want me to get a Harrop bolted on ''
he was involved in v8 lites , has connections .

I said , pfft , for fu-ks sake it's HSV , 270kws is plenty .

Now , i seem to NEED 300kws at the wheels , damn you ls1.com.au

guess I could put it down to turning 40 .

[Hubcap]

So when you say walky, do you mean you are fitting a harrop HH122? Is it Powertorque who is doing the job? I am about to fit a HH122 to my landcruiser which has a Ls2 in it. I am doing the install myself after doing a lot of homework. The low down torque of these blowers is incredible. You wont be dissapointed if you choose the HH122. Cheers Russ

Yes Russ, it's the Harrop. I don't need an increase from mid to high - I'm after low down torque. I spoke to Shaun (Powertorque) some time ago about it and said that I would be getting it done, just as soon as I could. They are an incredibly professional bunch and their workshop is immaculate. Even my wife was impressed and has said all along that I should continue with them. I have a poor memory for names, but I think it was Phil who did the first mods.:goodjob:

Regards

Phil

[TLX]

Yes Russ, it's the Harrop. I don't need an increase from mid to high - I'm after low down torque. I spoke to Shaun (Powertorque) some time ago about it and said that I would be getting it done, just as soon as I could. They are an incredibly professional bunch and their workshop is immaculate. Even my wife was impressed and has said all along that I should continue with them. I have a poor memory for names, but I think it was Phil who did the first mods.:goodjob:

Regards

Phil

Nice choice Phil.

I have the HTV 2300 Harrop Blower mate and it is an awesome package. All the best with the HH122:goodjob:

Tully

[BlownLS7]

bloody loud, be prepared. no probs with power though, it will blow your socks off,
the 2300 would be better choice if you ask me.

cheers Paul


Yes Russ, it's the Harrop. I don't need an increase from mid to high - I'm after low down torque. I spoke to Shaun (Powertorque) some time ago about it and said that I would be getting it done, just as soon as I could. They are an incredibly professional bunch and their workshop is immaculate. Even my wife was impressed and has said all along that I should continue with them. I have a poor memory for names, but I think it was Phil who did the first mods.:goodjob:

Regards

Phil

[Hubcap]

bloody loud, be prepared. no probs with power though, it will blow your socks off,
the 2300 would be better choice if you ask me.

cheers Paul

Hi Paul,

Why the 2300?

Cheers,

Phil

[BlownLS7]

well i have had both, and here were my findings

1/ HH122 is louder than 2300, the noise is terrible, forget having exhaust o a cam , you will only hear blower.
3/ TV2300 comes with 8 PK serp Kit,HH122 comes with 6 PK KIt (6 ribs on belt)
2/ if you compare a harrop H122 with a PWR 122 the PWR is not as loud, and i think this is due to PWR casing being thicker,
4/ price difference is not much considering the extra grunt
5/you can always use the 2300 on other bigger engines and it will not run out of puff,
6/ it comes with 60LB injectors,
7/of course the HH112 will also nett you 300 RWKW and his will be very streetable, and at the moment they are very cheap,so you have many choices,
8/and you will not beat Harrop when it comes to backing up their product, they will help you 24/7, (cant comment on PWR)
9/ however if you want the monster of all monsters than go a Procharger right off the bat,

IMHO

cheers Paul



Hi Paul,

Why the 2300?

Cheers,

Phil

[Hubcap]

well i have had both, and here were my findings

1/ HH122 is louder than 2300, the noise is terrible, forget having exhaust o a cam , you will only hear blower.
3/ TV2300 comes with 8 PK serp Kit,HH122 comes with 6 PK KIt (6 ribs on belt)
2/ if you compare a harrop H122 with a PWR 122 the PWR is not as loud, and i think this is due to PWR casing being thicker,
4/ price difference is not much considering the extra grunt
5/you can always use the 2300 on other bigger engines and it will not run out of puff,
6/ it comes with 60LB injectors,
7/of course the HH112 will also nett you 300 RWKW and his will be very streetable, and at the moment they are very cheap,so you have many choices,
8/and you will not beat Harrop when it comes to backing up their product, they will help you 24/7, (cant comment on PWR)
9/ however if you want the monster of all monsters than go a Procharger right off the bat,

IMHO

cheers Paul

Paul,

Good on yer mate! :goodjob:Will raise the issue with them. I do recall seeing one of the Walkinshaw superchargers on Youtube and I remember how loud it was.

Regards

Phil:

[SS Sportswagon]

Go Harrop the others dont compare

[Party Pete]

On the topic of noise, who makes the quietest ones if you don't want that blower scream?

[Stelth]

I love my Procharger !

[BlownLS7]

while i am a very big Fan of Harrop, i think your qoute is very far from reality,,,,,,,,,,


Go Harrop the others dont compare

[Darkrayne]

I love my Procharger !

Ill second that! next to silent on cruising and loudest on idle.. with a nice cooler like flutter upon the surge valve releasing the boost ;)

[Stelth]

Ill second that! next to silent on cruising and loudest on idle.. with a nice cooler like flutter upon the surge valve releasing the boost ;)

Yep, It's not noticeable cruising but you can hear a slight rattle on idle.

The power deliver is very usable . . .

[Blown 540]

On the topic of noise, who makes the quietest ones if you don't want that blower scream?

Quiet blower , no such thing,blow off valves can be a pain too, just go N/A or with NOS,about as quiet as HP as you will get.

[Darkrayne]

On the topic of noise, who makes the quietest ones if you don't want that blower scream?


I reckon the Procharger comes pretty close :)

[black dog]

I have a baby Harrop on an otherwise stock ls1, and the supercharger is inaudible 90% of the time in normal driving. Of course the other 10% its very obvious, but that suits me...

By the way this setup makes a great daily driver, with peak torque at just over 3000rpm. Overtaking in the blink of an eye.

[XUV]

which model is the '' baby harrop '' ???

as it sounds like what i'm after .
I just want to bolt it on
and not have to do injectors , exhaust
or rebuild my gear box .

[Darkrayne]

is say the minimum youd get away with on a charger is a tune and injector ug

[black dog]

HH112, but I have headers / 3 inch exhaust. I need a new clutch ... (fine for usual driving but slips with hard accelleration)

ps injectors come mounted on the Harrop manifold, you should upgrade fuel pump too.

[Duncs]

I don't get it . . . i frickin' love that blower whine off the harrop's. contimplating putting one on mine . . . eventually.

[mc_chief84]

I have not had any warranty issues with PWR, however had a bit of drama sending the right parts, car was in the workshop for 2 weeks just waiting for correct parts to be sent. Sent wrong once, then second time, parts were wrong again and not for the 122 kit for the monaro.......

However all in all, great product and reliable to date with no issues, touch wood :)

[neaty383]

I've got a Harrop HTV2300 in a stroked VE GTS and couldnt be happier with it.

I had it installed before I stroked it and she (with 232/236 cam, heads and 3" plus some) does 425-440rwkw (depending on the dyno).

I looked at PWR and Maggies which are all based off the same Eaton core (IIRC) and the Harrop engineering and overall kit was the best. Yes, they are [more] expensive, but my view is if you're jamming an extra 140ci into your engine at each revolution, you dont want things to go wrong.

I've just upped my PSI from the stock to 15psi and Harrop have been very helpful in providing assistance, advice and support.

I also like the PD superchargers - they look good.

As for the noise - you initially notice it but you get used to it and its not bad. When you're at WOT you know its spinning up but you also know that your ass is being planted squarely in the back of your seat!

[BECAUZ]

Wow been doing some research and geez there is a fair bit of money to part with.

How much would you be looking at for the install? Or most of you guys install yourself?

NB whats WOT stand for?

[SHANESVZSS]

Wow been doing some research and geez there is a fair bit of money to part with.

How much would you be looking at for the install? Or most of you guys install yourself?

NB whats WOT stand for?

WOT= wide open throttle


ive heard alot of good things about the pro charger to and seems like good value , GMM are doing pro chargers for around 10k drive out with 40-50% more power..

[Aussie Pete]

If I am right the walky kit is a H112 these days? Anyone able to confirm?

I am a bit blown away by the pricing of these kits. $15k+ from say Walky to as little as $10k from CAPA? And when you ask what is in what kit the answers aren't always clear so you are never comparing same-same.

I quite like the idea of doing an install myself as I am a fussy fussy camper and detail oriented. But when I've asked some speed shops they say "mate there's nothing in it, maybe I can take 3-400 off for you".

LMAO.

[Chappy]

Well I have a Harrop but I look at both types seriously drove several car and come up with the Harrop was the better long time value for my needs,

It has power and awesome torque from idle and with my set up make around 340 plus rwkw and made around 900nm of torque.

The car preforms great from idles to 6,200rpm and produces great fuel economy.

Cruising at 100 to 110 kph hwy it runs between 7.4 to 8.7 litres per 100k's depending on wind and weather conditions.

Around town its a tad heaver it uses between 10 to 14 depending how much you use the right foot but remember mine is a auto and only a 5.7ltr donk with 3.45:1 gears.

I don't know if this helps.

Ken.

[wikky]

If I am right the walky kit is a H112 these days? Anyone able to confirm?


I thought I read somewhere on here (may have been Ken recently) that Walky have the WP1900, which is the Harrop HTV1900. The larger HTV2300, is used by Walky for 'special orders'.

I've just recently had a HTV1900 installed on my 5.7 A4 and it's dead quiet. I went with the 75mm pulley to gain 10psi boost. There's only a slight hint of whine between 2000-3000rpm, but you have to listen for it. I love it as it's absolute stealth, you can't see the intercooler through the front bar and the car at idle sounds like it's just cammed (which it is).

[BLOWN_VXSS]

Definately great kits, I'm still waiting to win tattslotto, anyone got the winning no's

[2ajmanvell82]

I have the harrop HH122 on my LS2 Auto with a small cam in it and running 10PSI 8 rib pulleys and also ran it without the cam and std 7PSI and i am a paraplegic with hand controls and it has great everyday driving manners when you start it, it sounds like your everyday car when i didn't have the cam, now with cam sounds like a small cam car. When cruising and driving around town it is almost not present it is only under load that it becomes present and this is fine, it's like hearing an exhaust note when you give it to it, it sounds tough. We fitted the kit ourselves as the PD s/chargers are so easy to fit and neat and not having to do anything on the exhaust side of things. Once you start pushing close to 350RWKW with any of the kits the fuel is going to need upgrading and more power bigger injectors but the kits in whatever std boost they supply them come with big enough injectors accordingly, it's only when you step up from the std boost you will b pushing for fuel supply. I researched alot into these kits and still do and don't think you can go wrong with any really, just where you want your power the money you want to spend and if you want to DIY? When i bought mine the 1900 and 2300 were just on release and they are more efficient and don't heat the intake charge as much and meant to be quieter, so if i were buying 1 at the moment i would be looking at a 1900 for a 6-6.2 with minor mods or 2300 looking to stroke/forge and go big boost. Hope this helps!!!

[Aussie Pete]

Well I have pretty much decided on a 1900 type of kit (I think the 2300 is big for my 6.0 with standard cam etc) but as is usual the pricing thing is my real issue. If I buy the kit, fit it myself and pay for a tune the cost is same or more than drive in drive out which is BS.

So that begs the real question - it's Feb2010 right now so without saying who you got it from let me know what you guys are paying in recent times. I would suggest if you want to say who you got it from PM me because we don't want Walky or Harrop tracking down the good guys and cutting off competition versus list prices!

[monarocv804]

I sources and bought my Magna charger/PWR 112 7.5lb boost, 42lb Bosch green tops injectors, walbro 331 in tank fuel pump, tilt tray ride to PT to get the tune, harmonic balancer pined and sundries for about 8.2K. I fitted the blower myself and was told that it would cost around $1500.00 to install the blower in a shop.

End result on my stock 5.7 was 380rwhp and 737nm of torque.

The Harrop kit is a better product in my opinion and I went with mine because I got the kit brand new for 5.5K delivered.

The 112 would be too small for your application but I thought it might help you with prices for installation and so on.

[msjwood]

Hi guys. This might be slightly off topic, (maybe should be in motorcycle forum), but I have a Procharger (intercooled) on my EFI Harley. Do any of you (tuners included) have problems with excessive fuel consumption when it gets really hot (as in outside air temp)? Just rode from Sydney to Perth, and fuel usage went from 6.5L/100km, to 10l/100km when it got to 47 deg. Any info appreciated.
Cheers, Mike

[Stelth]

Hi guys. This might be slightly off topic, (maybe should be in motorcycle forum), but I have a Procharger (intercooled) on my EFI Harley. Do any of you (tuners included) have problems with excessive fuel consumption when it gets really hot (as in outside air temp)? Just rode from Sydney to Perth, and fuel usage went from 6.5L/100km, to 10l/100km when it got to 47 deg. Any info appreciated.
Cheers, Mike

Sydney to Perth on a bike . . . :confused: how long did that take?

47 deg is hot for any engine let alone a forced induction one.

Is it intercooled?

How much boost does it make?

The more boost you where siting on, the hotter the air going into the engine.

Engines run more efficient with colder air.

[msjwood]

G'day Stelth. 6 days to Perth (from the 'Gong), 8 days back. Yes, it's intercooled. I'm guessing that 47 deg means less dense air, and the intercooler just can't do it's job because it's so hot. The EFI just can't adjust, as it doesn't have O2 sensors. 10psi boost. Was dyno-tuned at about 25 deg, 80% humidity. I can get a fuel injection system that uses O2 sensors (Thunder Max). I'm just not sure the Harley inlet tract is sophisticated enough to know how much air is actually coming in. Currently has a 1 bar MAP sensor, might be better with a 2 bar sensor if I fit O2 sensor system.
Cheers, Mike

[Stelth]

G'day Stelth. 6 days to Perth (from the 'Gong), 8 days back. Yes, it's intercooled. I'm guessing that 47 deg means less dense air, and the intercooler just can't do it's job because it's so hot. The EFI just can't adjust, as it doesn't have O2 sensors. 10psi boost. Was dyno-tuned at about 25 deg, 80% humidity. I can get a fuel injection system that uses O2 sensors (Thunder Max). I'm just not sure the Harley inlet tract is sophisticated enough to know how much air is actually coming in. Currently has a 1 bar MAP sensor, might be better with a 2 bar sensor if I fit O2 sensor system.
Cheers, Mike

WOW . . . That's one mega round trip !

How big is the tank? you would of had to fill up every 200 - 300 Km.

What revs where you sitting on ?

[msjwood]

Luckily, I had a custom 27 litre tank. Still only gave me a range of 270km. Was cruising at 120 kph-about 2500 rpm. Ran like a dog with 3 legs. Looked like a diesel running that rich. Had a ball though.
Mike

[Stelth]

Luckily, I had a custom 27 litre tank. Still only gave me a range of 270km. Was cruising at 120 kph-about 2500 rpm. Ran like a dog with 3 legs. Looked like a diesel running that rich. Had a ball though.
Mike

Ok, that would explain your fuel consumption.

Definitely need to make some upgrades on the engine management system !

It sounds like it was a great adventure , that's for sure . . . :goodjob:

[msjwood]

The ThunderMax, with O2 sensors is on the shopping list. Cost is about $1000. This replaces the existing computer entirely-not like a PowerCommander, which is a piggy-back.
Mike

[PDFAST]

hi can i run a harrop 1900 blower on my unopened 2006 VZ L76 DOD motor ???
will the lifters servive the extra kws if not reved to hard say like 6000rpm :eyes:

[spanks]

hi can i run a harrop 1900 blower on my unopened 2006 VZ L76 DOD motor ???
will the lifters servive the extra kws if not reved to hard say like 6000rpm :eyes:


Just do it....you know you want to

[Aussie Pete]

hi can i run a harrop 1900 blower on my unopened 2006 VZ L76 DOD motor ???
will the lifters servive the extra kws if not reved to hard say like 6000rpm :eyes:
Yeah, like old mate said you know you want to. But better still why not run the 2300 and see if you can overboost it and thereby get the excuse to stroke it, cam it, and go the whole way :bow:

[madalbert]

hi can i run a harrop 1900 blower on my unopened 2006 VZ L76 DOD motor ???
will the lifters servive the extra kws if not reved to hard say like 6000rpm :eyes:

should be cool, I'm running the walkinshaw wp190 (which is the harrop 1900) with a completely stock L98 and 3inch exhaust... makes buckets of torque all the way through the rev range... runs out of fuel in the top end though, so I dare say if you went for the 2300, and/or a cam you'd want some better fuel delivery.

[skippy2000]

harrop all the way... A mate of mine has fitted plenty of these but its quality stuff and they make the power

[neaty383]

harrop all the way... A mate of mine has fitted plenty of these but its quality stuff and they make the power

I agree. The Harrop kits are very good, though as madalbert said, you can top out on fuel delivery at the top end.

I had to up the fuel system to be a twin pump setup, and bigger injectors after I stroked (to 427) an LS3. Even now, the injectors (810cc) are running 100% duty cycle according to the EMC read outs.

I'm selling my Harrop 2300 soon for a 3.4 whipple setup (yep, I got the bug...) and can vouch for Harrop's quality and performance without hesitation.