Holden Cruze gets 5 star ANCAP rating

[mac06]

This is good news for Holden. As long as the pricing is right this new car is going to do very well IMO. :goodjob:

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/30673/2010-holden-cruze-scores-five-star-ancap-rating/


Holden has announced that its upcoming small car, the Korean-sourced Cruze, has passed the Australasian New Car Assesment Program’s rigorous tests with flying colours, earning itself a five-star rating in the process.

The 2009 Holden Cruze scored 35.04 points out of a possible 37 under ANCAP’s recently revised testing regime, with its high level of passive and active safety features being instrumental in obtaining such a score.

It’s an impressive amount of kit for a small car, let alone one from Australia’s own volume manufacturer. Small car buyers who were wary of the Cruze’s Korean origins may now find their views changing thanks to that strong ANCAP result, and that’s bound to please Holden.

“We know that today’s motorists want many things from a small car and that includes no compromises on safety,” Holden Chairman and Managing Director Mark Reuss said.

“Incredibly high benchmarks were set as the Cruze was being developed and the results show.”
The 2009 Holden Cruze goes on sale early next month in both petrol and diesel form. Pricing has yet to be announced.

[Black AH CDX]

Lets hope it drives alright too

[GODSMACK]

Lets hope it drives alright too Chuck a L98 in it, she'll go alright... :goodjob:

[Big_Valven]

The 2009 Holden Cruze scored 35.04 points out of a possible 37 under ANCAP’s recently revised testing regime, with its high level of passive and active safety features being instrumental in obtaining such a score.
Headline: "Safety Devices Instrumental to Achieving Safety."
I love the news articles which manage to waste sentences whilst offering nothing of value. :rofl:

That minor point aside, It's good news and if people can get used to the styling and the price is right, it should turn the media's attention away from the fact that car companies are still screwed.

[Hamico]

It's the new dawn for Korean cars.

Hyundai i30 is selling up a storm, and now the Cruze is going to do the same

This is the car that will finally shut up the critics

Good work Holden

:goodjob:

[Martin_D]

That news piece has the Cruze going on sale next month....are they building them at Lisbef that soon? :eek:

[mac06]

The Cruze comes out of Korea, although the Delta platform was engineered in Germany. Whether Holden use that as the base for the small car they will build in Elizabeth in 2010 they haven't officially said yet. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

[Excellent]

That news piece has the Cruze going on sale next month....are they building them at Lisbef that soon? :eek:

I've seen two on the road already.

[hallyoz]

Initially imported, locally built in 2010.

[oranpark_addict]

I've seen two on the road already.

Do you recen they actually look half decent??

I havent seen one on the road and still am uindecided

[redvxr8clubby]

Initially imported, locally built in 2010.

I have read the same somewhere

[Excellent]

Do you recen they actually look half decent??

I havent seen one on the road and still am uindecided

They do. They look like a Civic sedan from the back and sort of like a smallish Honda Accord front end. The car looks more upmarket than any other Holden car built in Korea both inside and out.

[mac06]

Tha ANCAP site now has their results posted, with a photo of the vehicle showing good passenger compartment integrity.

http://www.ancap.com.au/results/317/

Some good comments made-


5 Stars. The Cruze scored 15.04 out of 16 in the offset crash test. The passenger compartment held its shape very well. There was a slight risk of serious chest injury for the driver and passenger.
The vehicle scored 16 out of 16 in the side impact crash test and a further two points in the optional pole test.


Body region scores out of 4 points each: Head/neck 4 pts, chest 3.13 pts, upper legs 4 pts, lower legs 3.91 pts.
The passenger compartment held its shape very well in the offset crash test. The brake pedal moved rearwards by 19 mm. The accelerator pedal moved upwards 6 mm. The steering wheel hub moved 66mm forward, 18mm downward and 5 mm sideways. The front ("A") pillar moved 4 mm rearwards. All doors remained closed during the crash. After the crash all doors could be opened with normal effort.The airbag cushioned the head of the driver and contact was stable. There were no driver or passenger knee contacts. The passenger's head was cushioned by the airbag and contact was stable.

[vecommo]

I saw one of these on the road the other morning, it took me a while to realise what it was.
From what I have seen I think it looks very good. I'm still not completely sold on the front... while it's not ugly, it looks a little arkward to be honest, but overall I am very pleased. The interior looks fantastic for a small car, the best that has come out of Korea yet by far.
The Ancap result is fantastic news for Holden, they can finally start rebuilding the reputation which was severely damaged by the 2 star Barina.
Looking at the results, overall it actually outscores an FG Falcon! I wonder what sort of theories the Ford fanboys will come up with when they find out their beloved FG has been outscored in the Ancap tests by a Korean Daewoo!

Can't wait till they start building these in Oz.

[insanity4life]

I saw one of these on the road the other morning, it took me a while to realise what it was.
From what I have seen I think it looks very good. I'm still not completely sold on the front... while it's not ugly, it looks a little arkward to be honest, but overall I am very pleased. The interior looks fantastic for a small car, the best that has come out of Korea yet by far.
The Ancap result is fantastic news for Holden, they can finally start rebuilding the reputation which was severely damaged by the 2 star Barina.
Looking at the results, overall it actually outscores an FG Falcon! I wonder what sort of theories the Ford fanboys will come up with when they find out their beloved FG has been outscored in the Ancap tests by a Korean Daewoo!

Can't wait till they start building these in Oz.

shit i gotta get my sister out of the barina then! lol didnt know it was 2 star she only got it coz it was "cute".. chicks eh

[iloveholden]

Thats good news for Holden....i think the Cruize is not a bad looking car and will become a success for Holden which is great, especially when they start manufacturing them here in Aus :)

[spookware]

I don't take much notice of the 5-star rating, think the system is flawed. The rating system is why I didn't get a engine start button in my car.

[theVman]

Hmmm ok. That doesn't make much sense.

Good news for Holden - its certainly a strong start with a positive selling point.

[spookware]

Don't get me wrong I'm happy I have a 5 star car, as I'm sure are most people, Ford now don't make sunroofs anymore because of the rating system as well.

[Hamico]

Now you can see why the Cruze got a 5-star safety rating...

http://media.drive.com.au/?rid=48719


The passenger compartment remains in tack, looks very strong, a great result

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[Excellent]

Now you can see why the Cruze got a 5-star safety rating...

http://media.drive.com.au/?rid=48719


The passenger compartment remains in tack, looks very strong, a great result

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Very impressive. Looks like a big car they way the deformation occurs.

[Simion]

The Ancap result is fantastic news for Holden, they can finally start rebuilding the reputation which was severely damaged by the 2 star Barina.
Looking at the results, overall it actually outscores an FG Falcon! I wonder what sort of theories the Ford fanboys will come up with when they find out their beloved FG has been outscored in the Ancap tests by a Korean Daewoo!



Im not trying to defend the Falcon, but in a way it is not really comparing apples and oranges in regards to a head on crash. A 1400kg Cruze hitting a stationary wall at 60km/h is equivalent to it hitting an oncoming 1400kg Cruze travelling at 60km/h. Likewise a 1800kg Falcon at 60km/h hitting an oncoming 1800kg falcon travelling at 60km/h is equivalent to hitting a stationary wall - its simple physics.


The problem is in a head-on crash you are not likely to hit a car which weighs exactly the same as your own car, so these stationary wall tests are misleading. I think a better test would be to crash cars into an object which weighs the same as the 'average' car, say a 1500kg object rather than a solid wall. that way you would not get the ludicrous situation of people saying that a 4 star Yaris is as safe as a 4 star Commodore - crashes are much more complex than that.

The more mass a car has, the more energy the car is carrying when it crashes - hence a heavier car is carrying a lot more energy than a lighter car and so the crash tests are a lot tougher on the heavier car when it is hitting a solid stationary object. However in real world situations things are different - roll a ping pong ball and a golf ball towards each other and watch the results, the ping pong ball basically bears the brunt of the energy, its the same in a car crash.

All things being equal, if a 5 star 1400kg Cruze smashes into a 5 star 1800kg Falcon, id rather be in the Falcon.

[michaels1v8]

Im not trying to defend the Falcon, but in a way it is not really comparing apples and oranges in regards to a head on crash. A 1400kg Cruze hitting a stationary wall at 60km/h is equivalent to it hitting an oncoming 1400kg Cruze travelling at 60km/h. Likewise a 1800kg Falcon at 60km/h hitting an oncoming 1800kg falcon travelling at 60km/h is equivalent to hitting a stationary wall - its simple physics.


All things being equal, if a 5 star 1400kg Cruze smashes into a 5 star 1800kg Falcon, id rather be in the Falcon.

Hmmmm

To me I imagine hitting a wall is a fair bit different to hitting an object moving towards you.

The wall is stationery but a car coming at you has its own energy so wouldnt the impact be greater?

I agree on your other points though. Much rather be in the heavier car than the smaller car that crash together.

[FlatfootV8]

The more i look at it the more I like the Cruze it does not have the cheap look to it as the epica and Viva/Barina. The interior is quite stylish as well.

I think its going to be a good car and give Hyundai a run for its money...

[Simion]

Hmmmm

To me I imagine hitting a wall is a fair bit different to hitting an object moving towards you.

The wall is stationery but a car coming at you has its own energy so wouldnt the impact be greater?

I agree on your other points though. Much rather be in the heavier car than the smaller car that crash together.


It dosnt seem logical but Il try to explain, although il probably screw it up.
kinetic energy = E=1/2(MxV(squared))

Lets say Mass=1000 and Velocity=16m/s

In the head-on - two cars
Total energy is 0.5(1000x16(squared))X2 = 256000J, but this is shared between 2 cars so that's 128000J each.

In hitting the wall - one car
Total energy is 0.5(1000x16(squared))x1 = 128000J. As the wall is immovable and does not give, the car has to absorb all of the energy. so the amount of energy absorbed is the same as the head-on


So in an inelastic collision, there is no difference between hitting a solid immovable wall or an identical car travelling toward you at the same speed - Its conservation of energy.

All this goes to show is that a 1200kg 5 star car, we can assume can only really achieve 5 stars in a collision if the car it is hitting is 1200kg or less and is travelling at the same speed or less. And the chance of a 1200kg car encountering a same or lighter weight car is pretty slim. But at least it is 5 stars....

[Ghia351]

I saw one of these on the road the other morning, it took me a while to realise what it was.
From what I have seen I think it looks very good. I'm still not completely sold on the front... while it's not ugly, it looks a little arkward to be honest, but overall I am very pleased. The interior looks fantastic for a small car, the best that has come out of Korea yet by far.
The Ancap result is fantastic news for Holden, they can finally start rebuilding the reputation which was severely damaged by the 2 star Barina.
Looking at the results, overall it actually outscores an FG Falcon! I wonder what sort of theories the Ford fanboys will come up with when they find out their beloved FG has been outscored in the Ancap tests by a Korean Daewoo!

Can't wait till they start building these in Oz.:doh:...can't someone come on a Holden forum and avoid Ford talk :stick:

[Hamico]

:doh:...can't someone come on a Holden forum and avoid Ford talk :stick:

Seemingly not.....hey Ghia351 whatabout the Ford Forum does the same happen in reverse ?

[Fnomna]

A head-on is not the same as hitting the wall


In hitting the wall - one car
Total energy is 0.5(1000x16(squared))x1 = 128000J. As the wall is immovable and does not give, the car has to absorb all of the energy.

and I think this is the point where you go wrong.
The car does not absorb all the energy. A proportion is absorbed by the car when its materials undergo deformation - hence the rationale behind creating crumple zones in the car etc. Better to put the collision energy into crumpling the car rather than transfering the energy into the occupants or the hit object.
So the design of the car will also contribute to how the collision 'feels', not just its mass.


Its conservation of energy.


Of course you're right this does apply as always.

Take one car which has 1200X energy and a bigger car has 1800X.

The wall has no energy. If it's hit by the 1200X car, there's a total of 1200X to be dispersed into the wall, the car, heat, sound, etc.
Some % goes into the wall (NOT zero) and the ground it's connected to.
So, the energy transfered to the car is <1200X - maybe 800X ? (not necessarily half).

If a 1200X has a head-on with a 1200X there's 2400X to be dispersed, likely to be heat, sound and the remaining equally divided into both cars - roughly 1200X into each. ie. much more than if it hit the wall.

For a 1800X, yes there's more energy to be dispersed in each- eg.
wall - maybe 1000X
head-on - about 1800X each car
So a bigger car will have more impact to deal with, but probably has bigger material area to absorb it too.

And with your ping pong ball example, it's the conservation of momentum which really makes the heavier golf ball be less affected.

There are many factors determining how a car 'performs' in these tests and how it 'feels'. A small car can out-perform a bigger one and so too a big car can feel safer ('tank-like') than a small one.
So many variables...

But there has to be some reference point - eg. wall, pole collision.

[Ghia351]

Seemingly not.....hey Ghia351 whatabout the Ford Forum does the same happen in reverse ?
Let's just say where I visit the "clientele" is of a slightly more senior/mature (aka older family-man type, lol.) and there's less venom.

[Marco]

There was a video getting around a few months back of a Fiat 500 having a head-on with an Audi Q7 - from memory, both cars had similar NCAP ratings but no prizes for guessing that the Q7 demolished the 500. It's an interesting demonstration of the physics vs NCAP debate:

YouTube - Crashtest Audi Q7 vs Fiat 500 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pVF1Wr7GLQ)

[djst]

5star safety ratings are almost becoming par for the course nowadays.
The Cruze will have to bring a few more tricks to the party,because its competition is tough,and the first few drive reviews have not been earth shattering.
But one thing is for sure,It will be price competetive and Holden will market it until we can recite the adds in our sleep.

[Excellent]

There was a video getting around a few months back of a Fiat 500 having a head-on with an Audi Q7 - from memory, both cars had similar NCAP ratings but no prizes for guessing that the Q7 demolished the 500. It's an interesting demonstration of the physics vs NCAP debate:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pVF1Wr7GLQ

That's the most logical post I've read on the forum so far.

[EgoFG]

You know we shouldn't even be comparing the Cruze to The Falcon - It out rated the Focus - its competitor !

[Hamico]

You know we shouldn't even be comparing the Cruze to The Falcon - It out rated the Focus - its competitor !

Agreed

Someone stupidly brought up the Falcon...:rolleyes:

Anyways, the Cruze did score better than the Focus so in a fight between these two, you would be safer in a Cruze.

[EgoFG]

Agreed

Someone stupidly brought up the Falcon...:rolleyes:

Anyways, the Cruze did score better than the Focus so in a fight between these two, you would be safer in a Cruze.

To agree with a point made somewhere above ... possibly, but not necessarily.

If a Balloon and a dart of the same weight were both ancap tested, I would guess the balloon would protect its occupants better, the compressed air would buffer the blows, the dart being solid would jar the occupants - but the dart would win if it hit the balloon.

Siffice to say I think we should simply say "The Cruze outperformed the Focus in the ANCAP testing" and perhaps extend that to say "in an offset frontal collision into an immovable object, with the same percentage offset as the Ancap test, front seat occupants in a Cruze would be safer."