VT SS Gen3 TT ;1000hp atleast

[jasonmi]

Am currently in the process of installing a genTT on my VT SS 5.7, will take a few months but am aiming to try and post details/pics as they come along to get anyones opinions on what should be going on. Installer who is a mechanic/mate is aiming for atleast 1000 hp. we are doing internals and have recently upgraded auto trans to handle power, 3500 stally, corvette pistons and massive bands so far.
As well as doing the internals, what else should be paid attention to, to ensure we can get maximum power at the wheels.
Any input, questions or feedback would be appreciated.

btw its going to cost around 15000 all up back on the road, is this the rough price (including trans, internals, etc)

[KPWISHN]

Ahahahahahahahahahahaahahahahhahahahahahahahahahha hahaha

[diabolic]

Wow, 15k for 1000hp on a 5.7L?? Sounds extremely cheap to me..

Interested to see how this turns out though.

Dan

[jasonmi]

Wow, 15k for 1000hp on a 5.7L?? Sounds extremely cheap to me..

Interested to see how this turns out though.

Dan

not paying for to much of my mechanic/mates time as he owes me a fair few big favours/money. so i got that on my side

[zorro]

possibly something more than a GenTT kit to get 1000hp..........

good luck though mate, get some pics up

[planetdavo]

You'll be keeping the standard brakes with this package right?

[SSV8TE]

Mate 1000HP is that at the wheels:lol:
Sorry mate but 15K for 1000HP
V8 super cars dont have that much and i think maybe skaify would of run around in a little over 15K.
You really should post up realistic figures in order to get decent responses.
This sounds like im having a go but im not im just saying that you would be looking at around 600 HP with a 5.7 and turbo setup maybe 700hp tops. Not 1000hp. Thats huge.
Best of luck and will be interesting to see your results,

Andy.

[jasonmi]

You'll be keeping the standard brakes with this package right?

nope, havent really thought about what to go for in regards to brakes, hence why i posted this. First and for most trying to get as much power as we can, when we decided the exact path we are going to take, then well we gotta worry about stopping the thing

[zorro]

parachutes my friend

[jasonmi]

Mate 1000HP is that at the wheels:lol:
Sorry mate but 15K for 1000HP
V8 super cars dont have that much and i think maybe skaify would of run around in a little over 15K.
You really should post up realistic figures in order to get decent responses.
This sounds like im having a go but im not im just saying that you would be looking at around 600 HP with a 5.7 and turbo setup maybe 700hp tops. Not 1000hp. Thats huge.
Best of luck and will be interesting to see your results,

Andy.

were not relying just on turbos to get us to 1000hp, we are aimming big and i got the money to spend, i know for a fact 15k all up is an understatment. when i said 15k i meant in regards to the turbos fitted, etc
may have mislead people, i dont plan on getting 1000hp with just 15k

[mustanger]

:goodjob:Good luck on your new venture.You will need it google

[planetdavo]

nope, havent really thought about what to go for in regards to brakes, hence why i posted this. First and for most trying to get as much power as we can, when we decided the exact path we are going to take, then well we gotta worry about stopping the thing
Sorry my friend, but that's exactly how a lot of young people end up dead on the news...:teach:

[KPWISHN]

Sorry my friend, but that's exactly how a lot of young people end up dead on the news...:teach:

You are so AWESOME Davo. :rofl:

[jasonmi]

Sorry my friend, but that's exactly how a lot of young people end up dead on the news...:teach:

well if i end up dying atleast i died trying

[KPWISHN]

Who is this? Major piss take. Ahaaahahhaa.

[Hqcoupe350]

Bwahahaha at the risk of adding validity to this thread, think LSX, think twin GT42's and a whole lot of KY jelly

[planetdavo]

well if i end up dying atleast i died trying
So, you want 1000hp for no other reason than to say your d!ck is bigger than your mates, yet have no real care about stopping the thing once you reach 300km/h, and since you have a death wish, you'll probably take out an innocent family on the way there, all the time hoping your efforts end up on youtube!
What a role model for "responsible" forums! :goodjob:

[KPWISHN]

Jokes should be posted in the tar pit. :rofl: Corvette pistons in your A4. Should Hammer.

[Spider]

Am currently in the process of installing a genTT on my VT SS 5.7, will take a few months but am aiming to try and post details/pics as they come along to get anyones opinions on what should be going on. Installer who is a mechanic/mate is aiming for atleast 1000 hp. we are doing internals and have recently upgraded auto trans to handle power, 3500 stally, corvette pistons and massive bands so far.
As well as doing the internals, what else should be paid attention to, to ensure we can get maximum power at the wheels.
Any input, questions or feedback would be appreciated.

btw its going to cost around 15000 all up back on the road, is this the rough price (including trans, internals, etc)

http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q135/TUF73/goofysx1.jpg

[jasonmi]

So, you want 1000hp for no other reason than to say your d!ck is bigger than your mates, yet have no real care about stopping the thing once you reach 300km/h, and since you have a death wish, you'll probably take out an innocent family on the way there, all the time hoping your efforts end up on youtube!
What a role model for "responsible" forums! :goodjob:

mate i said i hadnt decided on the brakes i was going for, read what i wrote.

[CarlFST60L]

well if i end up dying atleast i died trying

If you start a school of how to be awesome, put me down for one of everything

[jasonmi]

mods close this, im going to stop past the local kindy tommorrow an ask for there advice, i asked for advice not a bunch of guys wanting to have a pull

[KPWISHN]

This is cool:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/EvilAzz/sideshow.jpg

Your delusions are not.

[planetdavo]

mods close this, im going to stop past the local kindy tommorrow an ask for there advice, i asked for advice not a bunch of guys wanting to have a pull
Don't have a dummy spit little man.
You came on this forum telling everyone you wanted a bigger d!ck than everyone else, then blame all of us for pointing it out!
WHY do you want this much power? If you were a serious enthusiust rather than a d!ckbeater, you would be asking what sort of setup you need to achieve a 1/4 time etc.
Do you see yet why you were treated in the way your question deserved???

[jasonmi]

Don't have a dummy spit little man.
You came on this forum telling everyone you wanted a bigger d!ck than everyone else, then blame all of us for pointing it out!
WHY do you want this much power? If you were a serious enthusiust rather than a d!ckbeater, you would be asking what sort of setup you need to achieve a 1/4 time etc.
Do you see yet why you were treated in the way your question deserved???

the car has become more of a toy, wanna basically get it ready for the strip, in the mean time i will drive it on the street till i get a nice yellow sticker, then limit it for track use only. i dont wanna tell people my lifestory and what i got planned but my question was 1000hp any advice?, doesnt matter what or who its for, i'll say it again the principal of my post was to get some different opinons/advice on achiving 1000hp with TT's

[CarlFST60L]

mods close this, im going to stop past the local kindy tommorrow an ask for there advice, i asked for advice not a bunch of guys wanting to have a pull

Mate, if your serious about building a 1000hp 346ci motor, do some serious research. Start with the seach button, build up some knowledge, do some research on what you want. Build up an idea of how to go about it, then post some serious questions that can actually be answered. It will probably take you a few months to plan something this serious.

The problem is, your not talking to a bunch of kindergarten kids ;)

[planetdavo]

In that case, I reckon about 60 pound boost should get you close. :p

[KPWISHN]

OK if your trying to be legit. You will need a seriously strong engine 15K might get you a couple of parts to start building one. 402+ cubic inches. It will need ALOT of boost. 25ish+ PSI of boost. You corvette pistoned 4L60E will not be up to the task anymore. Sh!t if you are seriously going to give this a go you need to do a lot more research before even asking questions.

[STATIE]

Nah - all he needs is a 220/220 & a couple of KKR's.

Don't listen to the knockers mate - piece of piss.

[Blown 540]

Maybe take a few breaths.

Do you have any idea what 1000hp feels like or what it takes to get this figure .

I dont care how much your mate is doing for free.

Do some research first and then come back with a reasonable plan,put it in writing and then most of these guys will probably help you.

And yes i have one in the shed if i ever finish it which should pull that figure.

[Hammer]

:goodjob::goodjob:lol statie he also needs a 44 gal drum of oil the boot and plenty of :bow::bow:

but in all honesty :search: on here is your best friends there is ALOT of good information and alot of tried and proven results :)

[MickmeMate]

This is cool:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y46/EvilAzz/sideshow.jpg

Your delusions are not.

AHAHHAAHAAA!! Thats so awesome check out the lion.:rofl:

[nirvana]

Nah - all he needs is a 220/220 & a couple of KKR's.

Don't listen to the knockers mate - piece of piss.

ZOMG!!! that was my reply :lol:

if you really are serious about numbers like that shouldn't you talk to your engine builder instead of the internet where people will rip you a new one?

[Steve-LS2]

Do you have any idea what it took Bugatti to make 1000hp in a car that you could drive all day?

Millions and Millions of dollars, 16 cylinders, 4 turbos and a 7 speed semi-automatic gearbox.

You will need 900cc injectors, being fed by 4 Bosch 044 fuel pumps with a 3/4" fuel line just to supply enough fuel.

The fuel system will probably cost about 5K, the stock ECU will need to be chucked in favour of something liek a MOTEC stand alone fuel management system, this will cost about 10K.

Your standard diff will need to go, as will the aformentioned 4L60E, I would go for a full manual T400 but that will steal power (at least it should hold together).

Seriously bloke, if you are serious have a look at the money spent on some dyno queens like MRPSI, 1533hp at the wheels and probably cost the late owner about 300K

I know your not chasing 1533hp atw but 15K would just barely buy you a bottom end to make 1000hp.

[RIDE:42]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_KU_qLvOMe_s/SZb7N3Yi8XI/AAAAAAAAAas/d4B83yxkYfo/s400/simpsons_nelson_haha3.jpg

[Hammer]

i thinks it time for :closed: :closed:

[mustanger]

i thinks it time for :closed: :closed:

Nahhh, not yet....I want to learn more about those corvette pistons :jester:

[STATIE]

Nahhh, not yet....I want to learn more about those corvette pistons :jester:


And the "Massive Bands" - haven't heard of them before.

[Blown 540]

I know your not chasing 1533hp atw but 15K would just barely buy you a bottom end to make 1000hp.

About right,1000hp doesnt come cheap,i have spent about 2 new VE SS utes just on the engine.


Massive bands ,easy ACDC

[MYT_05]

I sat here and wrote three paragraphs, and just cant be bothered posting it.

I really cant say anything nice, so I will say nothing at all but this.

Good luck.

[SSV8TE]

Please mods change my name to V8SUPERCAR x 2.
Mate you have taken the piss by telling all us car enthusiasts that have spent more than youve earnt in your life on their cars and not even come close to this 1000HP club you seem to of dreamed up.
Please grow up and come back to us with fairdinkum figures.

[ova400]

Good to see some humor on here, brightened up my day. :goodjob:

I have spent close to $10,000 on parts just to get to 300rwkw, if I could have gotten to 1000hp for an extra $5,000 I think I would have.

Easiest way to get the power you are after comes in a nice blue bottle though, motor probably won't last though.

[MJR-57T]

were not relying just on turbos to get us to 1000hp, we are aimming big and i got the money to spend, i know for a fact 15k all up is an understatment. when i said 15k i meant in regards to the turbos fitted, etc
may have mislead people, i dont plan on getting 1000hp with just 15k

If you have the money
Start bigger

All starts here (http://www.ferrari.com.au/)

[zorro]

Ive got a mate called Bryan... rumour has he has a 10 sec car, it'll smoke Ferraris. Ill PM you his number

YouTube - Fast and Furious - Ferrari v Supra (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j5m2FuFC48)

[sld86]

15g for 1000hp, mite be able to budge a smidge over 500 for it

[duke5700]

1000+hp, its a lofty dream and requires much moolah and much thought to achieve. Seriously good luck with it. I highly doubt there is a bolt on turbo kit that can achieve this.

I started adding up my build and stopped about half way through. I realised I really don't want to know. :(

[vuss383]

A few points !!

1. $ 15 k is not even going to be close ( Budget at least $ 40 - 60k min )

2. An off the shelf turbo kit will not cut it

3. It takes many hours to crunch formulas to even get close

4. 346 ci ....... Possible ?.... Maybe ( 427 would be my choice )

5. Should an engine builder not familiar with the LSX family be attempting this build .... HELL NO !!

6. Are there people on here that can help you achieve your target ?? I'm sure there are , but u'd have to be realitivly serious before they would even offer any help .


Cheers
Troy

[Nidz]

1000hp at least for 15k.. You should tell the Supra guys who spent $150,000pounds.. They could have saved themself a few hundred grand..

YouTube - Jeremy Clarskon tests a 1000hp Nissan Skyline R33 GTR (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7uGl7hcfXgw)

Nissan guys.. your going it wrong! :lol:

[SSV8TE]

PLEASE MODS DONT LOCK THIS ITS GOOD READING:lmao:
Ive spent nearly that to get to 340 rwkw. Is my shop ripping me off:lmao:

[VZMY06SS]

Here is me thinking of throwing around another 17-20k in parts alone at my L76... Should make an easy 1000hp.
GenTT kit too!!
Are we sure that Tuna isn't paying this guy?

In all seriousness though, 1000hp through a boosted alloy block? What is the max boost that an alloy block would hold?

Steve

[vuss383]

In all seriousness though, 1000hp through a boosted alloy block? What is the max boost that an alloy block would hold?

Steve

Well I can tell you that a high comp alloy 383 will take 18 psi & 7500 rpm limit & live for many months . The same engine wouldn't take 20 psi for more than 3 gear changes .. :rofl:

[sld86]

Well I can tell you that a high comp alloy 383 will take 18 psi & 7500 rpm limit & live for many months . The same engine wouldn't take 20 psi for more than 3 gear changes .. :rofl:

:rofl:was an interesting 3 gear changes though:1peek:
shame some1 was in a hurry and closed the laptop and didnt save the logs,

[duke5700]

Here is me thinking of throwing around another 17-20k in parts alone at my L76... Should make an easy 1000hp.
GenTT kit too!!
Are we sure that Tuna isn't paying this guy?

In all seriousness though, 1000hp through a boosted alloy block? What is the max boost that an alloy block would hold?

Steve

I think i read somewhere Girch's motor was still alloy blocked, and had seen high 900's so that would be well over 1000fwhp.

[berroca]

the car has become more of a toy, wanna basically get it ready for the strip, in the mean time i will drive it on the street till i get a nice yellow sticker, then limit it for track use only. i dont wanna tell people my lifestory and what i got planned but my question was 1000hp any advice?, doesnt matter what or who its for, i'll say it again the principal of my post was to get some different opinons/advice on achiving 1000hp with TT's


didn't realise it was school holidays again already hahahha :rofl::rofl::rofl:

[heavyduty1340]

Good to see some humor on here, brightened up my day. :goodjob:

I have spent close to $10,000 on parts just to get to 300rwkw, if I could have gotten to 1000hp for an extra $5,000 I think I would have.

Easiest way to get the power you are after comes in a nice blue bottle though, motor probably won't last though.



Geez does that mean I got ripped off ?? 1000hp for $15k wowwwww

I spent $25k , big cubes and a blue bottle and still didnt get to the magic 1000hp mark:bawl:

Best go and tear my engine builders head off (Not)

If I tried, I bet Howquick would fold me in half and shove my head up my own arse :jester::jester:

[NickS]

If you start a school of how to be awesome, put me down for one of everything

:lol: ... best post in this whole thread !!!

1000 hp for 15K ... did I fall asleep and wake up on 1st April 2010 ???

:confused:

Mate, if you need to add up what it might cost (and you think $15K is serious $$$) you can't afford to even start.

[Toddler78]

You might also need some nos, but with nos I think you will get close use a 100 shot, but drill it out with a 1/2 inch hole and I think youll sneek over:goodjob:

[Uwish]

Just a qick question but if you strap on the Gen TT kit with the twin 3076r and run 400ci + with all the right head work on race fuel could you make 1000Fwhp?

As I am sure you can do 600hp atw on a standard engine. with a TT kit beit APS or Gen-TT

[EXCESSV]

personally i reckon your getting ripped off mate...

$15K for 1000hp...can get that for $50 :)
i can put u onto someone that can give u a dyno sheet with that figure....
dont worry about the 500degrees intake temps when the temp probe is put on ur extractors :jester:

[GODSMACK]

Nice to see the LS1 bandwagon is still going strong... :spew:

[duke5700]

Just a qick question but if you strap on the Gen TT kit with the twin 3076r and run 400ci + with all the right head work on race fuel could you make 1000Fwhp?

As I am sure you can do 600hp atw on a standard engine. with a TT kit beit APS or Gen-TT


You can't really compare standard engine and what those kits can do, its really like chalk and cheese. Big cube engines make huge amounts of torque and swallow considerable amounts of air which push compressor maps sideways quite a bit and move the turbo's out of there efficiency.

120lb/min of air would get you close to 1000fwhp. There is alot more to it than that. Once you move up in the cubes and turbo size, quite a bit of maths goes into it. Its not just a case of wind up the boost and it will work kind of deal. A 400ci mill would suck 30/76r's backwards in the top of the rev range and it probably wouldnt make the peak numbers you would expect, but it sure as hell would make a hell of alot of torque on the way.

HP works in a inverted relationship with money, 500HP costs 10K, but a 1000hp cost 30K, so basically the costs increase 3 fold or more for every double in HP if that makes sense.

[Trek52]

dont worry about the 1000hp why not go for 2000hp...both undriveable on the road

[Spider]

If you have the money
Start bigger

All starts here (http://www.ferrari.com.au/)

What's the retail on one of those?

[Gen3Unistudent]

What's the retail on one of those?

More then you can afford pal......Ferrari :)

[team illucid]

Just put next to your current ride "1000 HP" - doesn't cost anything, and you dont have to prove it to anyone ... just start a "Funds approved thread" and let it go from there.

[vuss383]

120lb/min of air would get you close to 1000fwhp. There is alot more to it than that. Once you move up in the cubes and turbo size, quite a bit of maths goes into it. Its not just a case of wind up the boost and it will work kind of deal. .

So if 120lb/min will net close on 1000hp, I wonder what 190lb/min would produce on a well breathing 427 . :1peek:

Troy

[KPWISHN]

A serious arse kicking to whoever lines it up. :yup:

[duke5700]

So if 120lb/min will net close on 1000hp, I wonder what 190lb/min would produce on a well breathing 427 . :1peek:

Troy

Stop teasing :evil:

Running my spreadsheet with alot of assumed values comes up with an answer of way to much.

Giggly guess 1250-1500rwhp.

[vuss383]

I'll add 1 more variable to the equasion : 23-25 psi . I could give an assumed engine VE to bring a prediction even closer but that would take all the mystery out of it . :rofl:

I'snt it good to sit & crunch numbers for hours on end & hope that the actuall build will come within 5-10% of what theory tells us .

Troy

[Speedy Gonzales]

Its possible to have a 1000hp plus street car, Id hate to see the fuel bill though :)

It definately has to be FI to achieve the milestone, I dont know if its possible to get to that figure on stock cubes, maybe on race fuel....

Heres a link to Chicayne built by Troy, and the specs, if no one has heard of this car, youve been living under a rock.

http://www.chicayne.com/main.html

Troys pal has a C4 Vette which punches over 1000hp from 400ci

http://www.invisibill.net/TT_C4.html


And heres a vid of a 1250hp Pontiac driven on the street, gotta love it, check out the roll on in 3rd gear on 1/2 throttle

YouTube - 4Sale fastest street car ?? 2000 hp 1963 Pontiac LeMans (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gN6E-_0wXos&NR=1)

Anything is possible, how deep are your wallets?

[planetdavo]

His wallet has 15K, but stock brakes will remain to begin with...:eek:

[VUSS346]

Start with a 6L, then sprouce up the insides, diff, box add some snails some good breathing
1000hp is just a number do what u can afford and want in ya car do some research if ur mate is a good mechanic get figures and speak to the big boys in motor building at a recognised SHOP.
Do it on the track not on the road

[duke5700]

I'll add 1 more variable to the equasion : 23-25 psi . I could give an assumed engine VE to bring a prediction even closer but that would take all the mystery out of it . :rofl:

I'snt it good to sit & crunch numbers for hours on end & hope that the actuall build will come within 5-10% of what theory tells us .

Troy

haha my maths is writing checks my wallet cant cash!!!

I think I've probably spent about 20 odd hours doing the figures. If I can add up, my car will be capable of that wonderous club but whether or not it sees it is another total kettle of fish. I will be stoked if on 10psi I see close on 500rwkw through a manual. Thats the first real goal anything else is a bonus.

Engine VE with that kind of bore/stroke combo and the heads/cam size I think your considering would have to be approaching mid to high 90% higher in the rev range. The mind just boggles. The right parts and some know-how anything is achieveable.

[jasonmi]

I'll bet my left nut ill get my VT SS too 1000hp, its a major project. Ok gonna set me back a bit more than 15k, but at the moment my pockets are pretty deep (without sounding cocky). I'll be happy to post any videos, pics, and dyno graphs when all is complete and my progress. My original post was 15k for turbo kit not all up!
obviously not gonna be to easy to drive on the street but i guess anything can be driven on the street if driven properly.

[duke5700]

I'll bet my left nut ill get my VT SS too 1000hp, its a major project. Ok gonna set me back a bit more than 15k, but at the moment my pockets are pretty deep (without sounding cocky). I'll be happy to post any videos, pics, and dyno graphs when all is complete and my progress. My original post was 15k for turbo kit not all up!
obviously not gonna be to easy to drive on the street but i guess anything can be driven on the street if driven properly.

Give it a shot, some of the info is available on here and some you will only learn by doing it.

All the more big power LSX's the better. Just remember that kind of HP does not come off the shelf, though maybe ASE could make something to suit for you. They are pretty encouraging like that. Bastards.

Seriously though make the most of it and enjoy it half the fun is in building it.:goodjob:

[Spider]

its going to cost around 15000 all up back on the road, is this the rough price (including trans, internals, etc)


My original post was 15k for turbo kit not all up!


No it wasn't.

Good luck anyway mate,just don't do what your brother did.

[Martin_D]

You can do a twin GT37 turbocharger Gen-TTZ kit for around $15K. These will support 1000hp easy, just theres some supporting cast to buy....but if you are handy, and can do it yourself.....got the same thing going on the dyno within a fortnight on a 412ci alloy block LS3 based engine. Lets see what it makes :cool:

Dont be put off by the keyboard warriors, most of them are only as good as their last post :)

[VZ_V8]

Btw its going to cost around 15000 all up back on the road, is this the rough price (including trans, internals, etc)

Sorry but I read this differently to what you are now saying. You clearly said "all up back on the road".

Good luck with it. You are going to need it...

[jasonmi]

Give it a shot, some of the info is available on here and some you will only learn by doing it.

All the more big power LSX's the better. Just remember that kind of HP does not come off the shelf, though maybe ASE could make something to suit for you. They are pretty encouraging like that. Bastards.

Seriously though make the most of it and enjoy it half the fun is in building it.:goodjob:

cheers bud, thanks for a positive comment

[ratabro]

I'll bet my left nut ill get my VT SS too 1000hp, its a major project. Ok gonna set me back a bit more than 15k, but at the moment my pockets are pretty deep (without sounding cocky). I'll be happy to post any videos, pics, and dyno graphs when all is complete and my progress. My original post was 15k for turbo kit not all up!
obviously not gonna be to easy to drive on the street but i guess anything can be driven on the street if driven properly.

Good luck with your project. You"ll Definitely need deep pockets for this.

[Blown 540]

You can do a twin GT37 turbocharger Gen-TTZ kit for around $15K. These will support 1000hp easy, just theres some supporting cast to buy....but if you are handy, and can do it yourself.....got the same thing going on the dyno within a fortnight on a 412ci alloy block LS3 based engine. Lets see what it makes :cool:

Dont be put off by the keyboard warriors, most of them are only as good as their last post :)


Nothing like pushing your own barrow,then labelling the rest of us as keyboard warriors,not all of us bagged him.:)

[heavyduty1340]

personally i reckon your getting ripped off mate...

$15K for 1000hp...can get that for $50 :)
i can put u onto someone that can give u a dyno sheet with that figure....
dont worry about the 500degrees intake temps when the temp probe is put on ur extractors :jester:

Dean - dont forget that you will need 2 kilos of hair gel for the dyno operator as well :confused::eyes: - he can even do the famous 3 inch to 1/4 inch exhaust mod if you get a harrop diff cover as well:jester::jester:

[BIG Shaun]

You can do a twin GT37 turbocharger Gen-TTZ kit for around $15K. These will support 1000hp easy, just theres some supporting cast to buy....but if you are handy, and can do it yourself.....got the same thing going on the dyno within a fortnight on a 412ci alloy block LS3 based engine. Lets see what it makes :cool:

Dont be put off by the keyboard warriors, most of them are only as good as their last post :)


hey martin seriously!!! ive heard you say this now about every big turbo kit you have ever made over the past 4 years lol .....:stick:

in all seriousness to this guy....yes you can make 1000 reliable street hp, i know cos ive done it!
15-17 psi with a good engine and a decent forced induction system.
forget the 15K thou .....try about 50k min and thats so the thing hangs together!!! then expect to rebuild it every 5000km cos the rings will only last that long. to top it off as i found out you then need to spend more than that again on a car that can get the power to the ground.

tell you what i can save you a packet....just buy my race car you can have it turn key for 75k with 1200hp on a soft tune


other wise good luck with your 1000hp project.....hope you have a deep pocket cos ya gunna need one!!

[vuss383]

You can do a twin GT37 turbocharger Gen-TTZ kit for around $15K. These will support 1000hp easy, just theres some supporting cast to buy....but if you are handy, and can do it yourself.....got the same thing going on the dyno within a fortnight on a 412ci alloy block LS3 based engine. Lets see what it makes :cool:

Dont be put off by the keyboard warriors, most of them are only as good as their last post :)

Now now Martin , Not all are keyboard worriors on here . Some talk it up & others DO .

I think if the OP reads through the thread he will find some good info even if it was not direct . There have been a few hints dropped in a manor that should get him thinking about what he has to consider to achieve his goal. There are guys on here that CAN & WILL achieve big numbers & have a nice daily but I don't think any of them would just give away their formula which took so much work to put together .

Big Shaun is on the money with the boost level on a well built system .

Cheers

Troy

[michaels1v8]

^^^^^^^^
What Bigshaun said

take advise from this man because once upon a time he was just like you or me with only a ls1 and a idea.

I would snap up his car if you want that kind of power. Ready to run. Your cheapest option. Plus a nicer base car to begin with.

[WH Captain]

Dean - dont forget that you will need 2 kilos of hair gel for the dyno operator as well :confused::eyes: - he can even do the famous 3 inch to 1/4 inch exhaust mod if you get a harrop diff cover as well:jester::jester:

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao: :jester:

BTW Dude.. good luck.. Hope u can prove us wrong.. i wouldnt put my left nut on it thats for sure

[Spider]

^^^^^^^^
What Bigshaun said

take advise from this man because once upon a time he was just like you or me with only a ls1 and a idea.

I would snap up his car if you want that kind of power. Ready to run. Your cheapest option. Plus a nicer base car to begin with.
He wants to build a 1000hp streeter,i couldn't see BIG Shauns car cruising the nightclub strips on a saturday night lookin' for chicky babes or going for a beach run on a sunday :lol:

[BIG Shaun]

He wants to build a 1000hp streeter,i couldn't see BIG Shauns car cruising the nightclub strips on a saturday night lookin' for chicky babes or going for a beach run on a sunday :lol:
maybe no good for cruising but im sure luanching past a night club on a saturday night would net you more chicks then a ferarri :nyuk: lol
HEY ****!! with a 44 drum of methanol in the boot youd sure have a ball trying.......:lol:

[michaels1v8]

He wants to build a 1000hp streeter,i couldn't see BIG Shauns car cruising the nightclub strips on a saturday night lookin' for chicky babes or going for a beach run on a sunday :lol:

Haha true

But he also said he eventually wanted to turn it into a track car. Might as well cut straight to the serious stuff and save the cash.

A big cube big turbo car would attract a load of attention on the roads without even trying I imagine. Yellow stickers would be just around the first corner:smilesandbanana:

[Justice R8]

hey martin seriously!!! ive heard you say this now about every big turbo kit you have ever made over the past 4 years lol .....:stick:

in all seriousness to this guy....yes you can make 1000 reliable street hp, i know cos ive done it!
15-17 psi with a good engine and a decent forced induction system.
forget the 15K thou .....try about 50k min and thats so the thing hangs together!!! then expect to rebuild it every 5000km cos the rings will only last that long. to top it off as i found out you then need to spend more than that again on a car that can get the power to the ground.

tell you what i can save you a packet....just buy my race car you can have it turn key for 75k with 1200hp on a soft tune


other wise good luck with your 1000hp project.....hope you have a deep pocket cos ya gunna need one!!

How much without the engine??

[BIG Shaun]

How much without the engine??

what am i gunna do with the engine lol you could sell the engine to the guy on this thread!!(engine is fresh.. never even started yet)

[Blown 540]

A big cube big turbo car would attract a load of attention on the roads without even trying I imagine.

You would be suprised Michael,if you stay off boost its only the rumble that gives it away a bit,:)

cheers

[the big fist]

To the original poster, if I was in Adelaide and wanting to achieve this with turbos I would be heading over to talk to Tuna. He would save you a fair bit of stuffing around with what needs to be done engine and turbo wise.
Just a thought.

[michaels1v8]

knowing myself it would be the tyre squeels that would give me away:bawl:

[Martin_D]

Nothing like pushing your own barrow,then labelling the rest of us as keyboard warriors,not all of us bagged him.:)

Well he does kinda mention my product in this thread.....and no need to feel guilty unless you were bagging him out. Its not actually that hard you know, getting 1000hp at the crank. For a start it all depends whose dyno you are on :lol: :lol: :lol:

Heres a good example bloown408chev, the Little Lord stock 346.
It makes 500rwkw at moderate boost on a Mainline, now thats 670rwhp in the old money, and assuming (thats dangerous!) a 17% drivetrain loss through an M6 (which seems to be about the number) you are looking at close to 810hp crankshaft rating. Maybe a lot more with an inertia corrected dyno :eek:

To get this -
Off the shelf T28 based turbo kit - $8995
Cam and springs - $1100
Fuel System - $1800
Thats around $12K worth of bits.

Throw it on with a mate and you would well get out of it for $15K. Not quite 1000hp, but this is very entry level stock block stuff which has proven to be very very reliable trapping over 135mph every time its run (best of 138mph) and in various different guises having completed 30,000km of hard general use without so much as burning a plug lead. Another 200hp is a $6000 engine freshen up and more boost away, no problem :lol:

Its all about planning the build from the outset and getting it right from day one vis realities vs expectations :)

[ADAM 26]

its all well and good to get a one off dyno figure, but to make 1000hp everyday will need alot more work.

sure you need to spend 12g on turbos, fuel system, cam, springs and tune.

then you need to get better pistons, rods, everything balanced, machined, heads will need attention, then there is the rest, diff, drive shfts, tail shaft, gear box, hi-stall or clutch. then you need to stop it, so brakes need to be up graded.

making 1000 hp ist hard, making it relyable is!

[Blown 540]

Well he does kinda mention my product in this thread.....and no need to feel guilty unless you were bagging him out. Its not actually that hard you know, getting 1000hp at the crank. For a start it all depends whose dyno you are on :lol: :lol: :lol:

Heres a good example bloown408chev, the Little Lord stock 346.
It makes 500rwkw at moderate boost on a Mainline, now thats 670rwhp in the old money, and assuming (thats dangerous!) a 17% drivetrain loss through an M6 (which seems to be about the number) you are looking at close to 810hp crankshaft rating. Maybe a lot more with an inertia corrected dyno :eek:

To get this -
Off the shelf T28 based turbo kit - $8995
Cam and springs - $1100
Fuel System - $1800
Thats around $12K worth of bits.

Throw it on with a mate and you would well get out of it for $15K. Not quite 1000hp, but this is very entry level stock block stuff which has proven to be very very reliable trapping over 135mph every time its run (best of 138mph) and in various different guises having completed 30,000km of hard general use without so much as burning a plug lead. Another 200hp is a $6000 engine freshen up and more boost away, no problem :lol:

Its all about planning the build from the outset and getting it right from day one vis realities vs expectations :)


Thanks for that Street Tuuna
It answers a lot of questions:bow:

Just take it to Tuna ,Jason- 1000hp -15k -well almost.

[DaveHAT]

Thanks for that Street Tuuna
It answers a lot of questions:bow:

Just take it to Tuna ,Jason- 1000hp -15k -well almost.

There begins the next segment though Dave ... FOR HOW LONG???

$15K with a BIG approx ... to "get near" 1000rwhp and then how much more to keep it?

The poster has a VT and indicated this would be on the 346 base. Whilst I reckon there's a feck hairs chance he might get close to the suggested figures (pending the big bang theory) I'd be most keen to see how long it stayed there before the next "$15K" was needed.

Thus ... not really $15K hey? :confused:

He might get ONE dyno sheet to prove the achievement. :lol:

To the OP ... If you REALLY want to know what it takes to make the sort of power you've eluded to REPEATEDLY AND RELIABLY ... listen to Big Shaun and :search: for the following terms:

BLO402
TRYHARD

& pretty much any of HP-Fs hi-profile stuff.

[OUTAtheBloo]

Not even "almost" 1000rwhp but 670rwhp.

Bit like saying a 402 is around the same as a bolt on tuned car...

Dan

[Blown 540]

As you know Dave there are some that do it on a budget (and there is nothing wrong with that)and some that make sure it will still be together tomorow.
I prefer the latter.
As adam said its one thing to get it but to make it reliable and its the missing 200hp that sorts one from the other.

[DaveHAT]

As you know Dave there are some that do it on a budget (and there is nothing wrong with that)and some that make sure it will still be together tomorow.
I prefer the latter.
As adam said its one thing to get it but to make it reliable and its the missing 200hp that sorts one from the other.

Agree 100% Dave.

As always ... there's 3 ways to do things:
1. The right way.
2. The wrong way.
3. The Max Power way. (Much like the wrong way ... ONLY FASTER).

This proposed 1000 rwhp scenario would qualify as the Max Power way IMO ... :lol:

[Martin_D]

Not even "almost" 1000rwhp but 670rwhp.
Bit like saying a 402 is around the same as a bolt on tuned car...
Dan

So when does this guys 1000hp become 1000rwhp? (couldnt see it on the first couple of pages)
Surely Bloo you should be the least critical of someone posting threads asking questions before actually doing something...anything, ever. This guy may even get further than the posting stage! :eek:

Remember - Most of the money consumed and 'wasted' in building any combination is in the poor initial planning and not knowing what parts are required to get the job done from the outset. Building something three times is indeed more expensive than doing it once :)

[Uwish]

Tuna very true..... I found that out the hard way with the wrx!
research is the answer!

[Martin_D]

You dont have to look far either.....
Take Girchs LSX Tuning Calais
A basic 402 toughened with stock heads, stock cam
Twin GT35R turbochargers on stock cast manifolds
Who cares what the dyno says it traps 150mph!

Effective, to a budget, but more to the point extremely well thought out and planned for an exceptional result :bow:
Dont confuse 'reliablity' with under performance from poor choices :teach:

[CarlFST60L]

To me, it sounds like the thread starter should start off with edit, exhaust and diff and getting into the 12's before pulling out the big guns (nuclear weapons in this case).

Just remeber, there are people that are trying to sell you things, then there are others in this thread that are not they are just telling you from their experince having been down the road of big HP builds.

My advice, dont even try for the big numbers on a pretty much stock 346ci, your car will just end up with problems and in your shed, you will be scared to drive it incase something brakes etc etc. Just get the ASE TT kit (just to stir up Tuna), get a complete quality fuel system (pumps, injectors, surge tank etc), get a good tune from someone that has done plenty of TT kits, get your Auto strengthened, upgrade your brakes, put quality rubber on your car. You might only end up with a fraction of 1000hp, but it will be more than enough, I promise you, this alone will blow your mind. Once you learn to control this power and you still want more, take your motor out, build a +400ci motor, drop it back in and up the boost.

[seedyrom]

And you don't need 1000hp to get sideways when rolling on power at 100km/h.
The useability of the power would have a near zero application in a daily driver/weekender.


Unless you are building a car to compete at the summernats, and if so ... as many many many people have said ... you won't bring home a trophy with $15K invested.

Good luck.
I'm all for homebuilders having a crack - I'm one myself - But don't get hung up on the final figure.

[Sonnymad]

And you don't need 1000hp to get sideways when rolling on power at 100km/h.
The useability of the power would have a near zero application in a daily driver/weekender.


Unless you are building a car to compete at the summernats, and if so ... as many many many people have said ... you won't bring home a trophy with $15K invested.

Good luck.
I'm all for homebuilders having a crack - I'm one myself - But don't get hung up on the final figure.


Common seedy wheres the love:love2:

[BIG Shaun]

You dont have to look far either.....
Take Girchs LSX Tuning Calais
A basic 402 toughened with stock heads, stock cam
Twin GT35R turbochargers on stock cast manifolds
Who cares what the dyno says it traps 150mph!

Effective, to a budget, but more to the point extremely well thought out and planned for an exceptional result :bow:
Dont confuse 'reliablity' with under performance from poor choices :teach:

your talking about car WEIGHT and SET UP now, this thread is ment to be about making big reliable HP not about how fast ya gunna go :teach: DONT CONFUSE THE TWO!!
you want to go fast and you want to go fast CHEAP?? easy! do what all the guys running the big numbers with ls1's are doing......cut the crap out of your car ....take out everything but the drive line ... thats what there all doing!!!

EG:

average stock weight commodore 700hp = 130mph
average guttered body commodore 700hp= 149mph

average stock weight commodore 1000hp=149mph
average guttered body commodore 1000hp=168mph

big differance as you can see with lots of "smoke and mirrors" and the reliabilty differance on your engine and strain on the transmission goes with it.
how much did Gareths car weigh martin? i do remember it was alot lighter than my monaro!!!!!

[Martin_D]

Shaun, you know I think your cars a good thing, you have some good folks around in Brenton and Vince...and that 8.2 looked ok from where I was standing! :cool:

HOWEVER...if you had taken the time to walk the 15 feet over to the Russo/Girch shed you would have seen that Girch was running a genuine 150mph with a FULL WEIGHT Calais. It would shock you how fast and heavy this car is. This SIMPLE and CHEAP drivetrain in a car like yours could no doubt be astonishingly quick :bow:

Still Gareths car at 1410kg with 9.9 @ 145 or so through a 4 speed Holden auto wasnt bad either, and held a 4 speed auto record for 18 months :cool:

Honestly dude if your Monaro was > 1400kg it was terribly built....you should have done better than that :eek:

[SS346]

HOWEVER...if you had taken the time to walk the 15 feet over to the Russo/Girch shed you would have seen that Girch was running a genuine 150mph with a FULL WEIGHT Calais. It would shock you how fast and heavy this car is. This SIMPLE and CHEAP drivetrain in a car like yours could no doubt be astonishingly quick :bow:

152 mph thankyou very much! lol!
nah seriously, i really doubt that 1000rwhp or fwhp could be made for less than 30k, if you keep it real and simple you will run fast, my combo is very basic yet very effective, 4.005 mahle pistons, 6.125 compstar rods 4" compstar crank, (compstar is a generic brand of callies cast in china machined/finished in the states.) GM bearings,gaskets including head gaskets, oil pump, cylinder heads,timing chain, lifters and manifolds are GM made as well.

forget what the chassis dyno says, "average" hp suggests 1124hp @ 4048lbs http://www.prosystemsracing.com/calculate.html peak hp will be about 1200, @ 3000lbs 168mph is there for the taking with the same hp.

and fwiw my car shows 899 rwhp on my mainline, i have always used 28% as a drivetrain loss, it shows 1150fwhp on my dyno, hows that for accuracy?

[VZMY06SS]

Is there anywhere more info on your engine can be found Girch? Such as comp ratio, psi, cam etc?
Sure sounds like an interesting engine!

Steve

[BIG Shaun]

Still Gareths car at 1410kg with 9.9 @ 145 or so through a 4 speed Holden auto wasnt bad either, and held a 4 speed auto record for 18 months :cool:

Honestly dude if your Monaro was > 1400kg it was terribly built....you should have done better than that :eek:

1410kg :rofl: get your hand off it!! it was in the 1200's before the cage went in and the boot got cut out .......plus what ever else went on!!
but hey i do understand your trying to up sell a product:goodjob: and lets be honest it was a good combo!:)

as for my terrible build, you know my car is heavy and that i didnt get what i payed for....to fix the problem i would have to redue half the car again which has been eating me up now for over 2 years!!
as for the 1400kg comment smart ass, i think i pretty much agreed with you but unfortunatly trust is the only input you can have with a chassis builder
my car comes in at 1395kg with me in it!!:vpo:
was originly promised 1150kg with me in it..this would have put at 7.2@185mph with the same power ........ hence why im over the whole thing now!!!

its like fogging a dead horse! it ant ever gunna get up and go!

[Martin_D]

1410kg :rofl: get your hand off it!! it was in the 1200's before the cage went in and the boot got cut out .......plus what ever else went on!!

You are right.....1410kg was incorrect. Here is the weight ticket from the corner scales before the car raced last. Its 1437kg before driver (back when old Gareth was around 80kg so say 1517kg). See how terrible the cross weights are with off the shelf fixed height springs :cool:
http://www.ls1turbo.com.au/pics/weighticket.jpg

[SS346]

Is there anywhere more info on your engine can be found Girch? Such as comp ratio, psi, cam etc?
Sure sounds like an interesting engine!

Steve

static comp is 10.44:1 boost pressure is 18psi peak, camshaft is a stock gm cam out of a vyss, martin can vouch for this i showed him the manifold vacuum whilst idling which was on 21 inhg.

[BIG Shaun]

You are right.....1410kg was incorrect. Here is the weight ticket from the corner scales before the car raced last. Its 1437kg before driver (back when old Gareth was around 80kg so say 1517kg). See how terrible the cross weights are with off the shelf fixed height springs :cool:
http://www.ls1turbo.com.au/pics/weighticket.jpg

:rofl: wait a second let me just go and get a 6 cylinder commodore and put it on the corner scales and take a picture.:goodjob:

its getting heavier every post.......and almost convicing if you didnt know better.:eek:

[Rub]

This thread is gold..

Wank wank, one in the bank...

Hmmm... maybe thats what you should do.. go to the sperm bank get some more cash together then seek this 1000hp :)

[Martin_D]

its getting heavier every post.......and almost convicing if you didnt know better.:eek:
Obviously BIG Shaun you dont know better....Same picture printed in Street Machine Commodores alongside the picture of the car on the scales I believe some 6 months ago :) (Hint: Same corner scales your car was set up on, about three weeks earlier)

You COULD say "Hey good job Gareth, thats a reasonable effort", but do you have it in you? :lol:

[kookette]

wankaa buy plenty of KY

[BIG Shaun]

but hey i do understand your trying to up sell a product:goodjob: and lets be honest it was a good combo!:)
and what does this say that i said about about gareths car martin!

[ASSASIN]

I know its not a 346 but they had a 36 cylinder radial engine in just parts last month for $5000 that leaves $10,000 for the conversion and i belive it had 3500 shaft hp

[BIG Shaun]

Obviously BIG Shaun you dont know better....Same picture printed in Street Machine Commodores alongside the picture of the car on the scales I believe some 6 months ago :) (Hint: Same corner scales your car was set up on, about three weeks earlier)



mate :rofl: you forget you have writen some fantastic articals about my cars over the years full of alot of bull shit too!

BIGGEST RULE ABOUT READING CAR MAGS IS DONT BELIEVE ANY THING YOU READ!

[MYT_05]

Aint that the truth. We see the truth up in QLD all the time, as for the majority, NA cars seem to dominate the track at Willowbank.

[fatbob]

and fwiw my car shows 899 rwhp on my mainline, i have always used 28% as a drivetrain loss, it shows 1150fwhp on my dyno, hows that for accuracy?

ok - so thinking mathematically for a second - as I read that number, and something in my brain said - umm, not right.
So a drivetrain loss is where you lose power through the drivetrain - which means, you start at some power - take out the drivetrain loss - and get end power....... yeah ?

Which way is it ? 899 * 1.28 is 1150 - which, I acknowledge shows a high degree of accuracy in your estimation of your mainline --- however isn't that putting a "gain" of 28% on what you measured ? which means "drivetrain gain" .....

ok - this is a pretty dumb post I know, but sadly it interested me - however, is drivetrain loss taken from the flywheel, then applied to get rwkw. Or you take rwkw and add drive train loss there. ... either way its a different end figure.

[10sec_rx7]

:rofl: wait a second let me just go and get a 6 cylinder commodore and put it on the corner scales and take a picture.:goodjob:

its getting heavier every post.......and almost convicing if you didnt know better.:eek:

Shaun..

i can believe that weight....

our VT was 3350LB or 1519kg with driver on the WSID scales ready to run..
unfortunatly i dont think it will be any lighter if it ever gets back to the track....

[darcy]

Which way is it ? 899 * 1.28 is 1150 - which, I acknowledge shows a high degree of accuracy in your estimation of your mainline --- however isn't that putting a "gain" of 28% on what you measured ? which means "drivetrain gain" .....

FWhp - 28% = RWhp
or
FWhp * (1-0.28) = RWhp

so

FWhp = RWhp/(1-0.28) = RWhp/0.72

899/0.72 = 1249 FWhp


I think you'll find that's what Girch is saying. :)

[vy2ttr]

Hey big shaun, I will weigh car at work next week and post results if you would like.:)

[SS346]

899 x 1.28 = 1150
1150 / 1.28 = 898.4735


:)

[darcy]

899 x 1.28 = 1150
1150 / 1.28 = 898.4735


:)

Should have actualy read the figures I was typing. :doh:

Add 28% to what ever you get at the wheels, to give you Engine power.

1/1.28 = 0.78 or ~22% drivetrain loss, which is I guess, the question fatbob was asking:)

[Martin_D]

The VT - VZ sedan is very difficult to get any kind of substantial weight saving from if you employ full steel doors, stock crossmembers front/rear etc. For example, changing three windows on Gareths car from glass to perspex (pass front, pass and driver rear doors) saved something like 7kg. There is no quantum leaps there. The 'smart' guys can give the appearance of close to stock while removing pretty much the same amount of weight. The real smart ones start with a ute....they can be made a fair bit lighter - or so it would seem from some of the figures we have seen :)

[10sec_rx7]

i would have started with a ute.... but there were none around for $500 like there were sedans...

[The_Plague]

Talk about your journeys off topic.
Back on topic for a brief moment:

Good luck to the OP, you'll be needing it.
Anything is possible if you throw enough money at it, or have expertise, whatever.

[BIG Shaun]

The VT - VZ sedan is very difficult to get any kind of substantial weight saving from if you employ full steel doors, stock crossmembers front/rear etc. For example, changing three windows on Gareths car from glass to perspex (pass front, pass and driver rear doors) saved something like 7kg. There is no quantum leaps there. The 'smart' guys can give the appearance of close to stock while removing pretty much the same amount of weight. The real smart ones start with a ute....they can be made a fair bit lighter - or so it would seem from some of the figures we have seen :)

cant say i know as i have never stripped out a std shell and raced it!!! im just going by the weights of LS1 cars i here about around the traps over the years.... 2 years ago i stood in kia's garage and was breifed by gareth and yourself about what gareths car weighed in at ..............i distictly remember you both saying it weighing less than my monaro! thats all im saying....


static comp is 10.44:1 boost pressure is 18psi peak, camshaft is a stock gm cam out of a vyss, martin can vouch for this i showed him the manifold vacuum whilst idling which was on 21 inhg.

why would you run a std cam shaft?
how can you make that sort of power with 18 psi and a std cam?

[Martin_D]

I think we were living in hope there Shaun with that being our projected aim figure, judging by the amount of junk we pulled out of the car. The corner weight scales told a much different story though, and no I didnt like it.

As far as Girchs camshaft is concerned, I would consider it to be standard a) If he says so, and b) judging by the vac figures I have seen. Regardless as has been proven many times over the years camshafts in turbocharged applications do pretty much squat other than deliver a nice lumpy idle. Why waste money on something you done need? Gareth only put a cam in his cos a) he had it, and b) thinks the idle lope is old school cool :cool:

[Rub]

I can so see this getting closed down soon...

[Martin_D]

Its actually got quite some good discussion going....
OP knows he can keep his stock cam and heads to make 1000hp going from Girchs input :)
Crazy thing is its on the money and its money saved in the build :cool:

[SS346]

why would you run a std cam shaft?

why not?





how can you make that sort of power with 18 psi and a std cam?


well theres no secret to it, throw some race fuel in it and tune :)

the cam is stock, manifold vacuum is at 20inhg on idle which is 550rpm, a stock LS2 idles at 17inhg, and that's a 204/211, my cam is a 196 /204 or something, its not a baby cam or an embryo cam, its a "still in my dad's balls cam" lol!

[Martin_D]

ATTN: New Forum term - SIMDBC Cam - pioneered by LSX Tuning :lol: :lol: :lol: :eek:

[Tecca]

Would be interesting to see imo. All sounds good to have a 1000hp. But you will be noticing the wallet will cringe lol

[Sonnymad]

ATTN: New Forum term - SIMDBC Cam - pioneered by LSX Tuning :lol: :lol: :lol: :eek:


Martin shaun may ask for his $10 any minute now and a stock cam :rofl:

[Martin_D]

Martin shaun may ask for his $10 any minute now and a stock cam :rofl:

As long as he didnt take Haylocks burger its all good :eek: :hide:

[Rub]

Can someone give me $10? :D

[Sonnymad]

As long as he didnt take Haylocks burger its all good :eek: :hide:



LoL....shaun enjoyed haylocks burger,it tasted better !!!!

[Martin_D]

And that - Mels Diner - was apparently the second time. I missed the joy the first time that was somewhere in Florida....it just built up, and up till BINGO :lol: :eek: :diddy:

Stock cam coming right up (maybe paint the bun a different colour and call it a 'custom burger') :rofl:

[Sonnymad]

And that - Mels Diner - was apparently the second time. I missed the joy the first time that was somewhere in Florida....it just built up, and up till BINGO :lol: :eek: :diddy:

Stock cam coming right up (maybe paint the bun a different colour and call it a 'custom burger') :rofl:


:rofl: BINGO ? Whats that all about ? shaun been going bingo with the oldies ?:lol:

[BIG Shaun]

why not?

well theres no secret to it, throw some race fuel in it and tune :)

the cam is stock, manifold vacuum is at 20inhg on idle which is 550rpm, a stock LS2 idles at 17inhg, and that's a 204/211, my cam is a 196 /204 or something, its not a baby cam or an embryo cam, its a "still in my dad's balls cam" lol!

just find it interesting about the std cam!!!!!
im asuming stock size valves and no porting when you say stock heads?

if so how do you make that much horse power with all that flow restriction in the induction system with only 18 psi boost???
does not add up!!!
my engine has huge heads (compared to std) cam shaft in the 280"s and making 20psi boost with all that air pushing in there makes 1200hp @ 6500rpm .
peek torque is at 6700rpm and peek hp at around 7800rpm.
what it makes at 7800rpm is ??? cos the engine dyno i used maxed out at 1000lb/1200hp so we had to finish tuning on the chassis dyno to find what rpm peek power & torque was.
BUT with a 6500rpm stall i dont believe any figures that i read off a chassis dyno but was good to find out where power levels dropped off and i havnt turned the engine on the track past 7000rpm yet to use the moroso calculator.
any how in saying all that what i want to understand is how you can make the power you claim with the flow ristriction you would have and boost is another measurement of restriction WHEN i have very little retriction and more boost THE MATHS DONT ADD UP!!!
both engines are simple air pumps, more air in means more power simple!

[Martin_D]

WHEN i have very little retriction and more boost THE MATHS DONT ADD UP!!!
both engines are simple air pumps, more air in means more power simple!

Welcome to parasitic and adiabatic efficiency Shaun :)
In other words your 18psi comes at a much greater drag on the engines power output than Girchs. That big belt driven paddle steamer on the Monaro more than likely robs around 200hp of the engines output to drive. You want some pretty fierce heads and cam to make up for that :lol:

[SS346]

Shaun, before you read my posts i want you to clearly understand that i dont mean to tread on anyones toe's or make you emotional, this is my genuine response :)



just find it interesting about the std cam!!!!!
im asuming stock size valves and no porting when you say stock heads?!

Stock standard, apart from double valve springs and stem seals.


if so how do you make that much horse power with all that flow restriction in the induction system with only 18 psi boost???
does not add up!!!!

Shaun, how did you come to the conclusion that there is "all that flow restriction"? did you know that the intercooler pipes from the turbo's to cooler are 2 inch dia and from cooler to the 90mm tb is 2 3/4?


my engine has huge heads (compared to std) cam shaft in the 280"s and making 20psi boost with all that air pushing in there makes 1200hp @ 6500rpm .!

I totally understand where you are coming from, however have you ever thought that maybe your heads/cam are too big? you may have 20psi, thats fine however, how much flow is it pushing and how much of that pressure stays in the combustion chamber? maybe the 280 cam bleeds off way to much cylinder pressure? to me its seem as though its the same scenario as farting in the harbour tunnel and expect it to exit with great force.
its all about efficiency. if you run low ign timing to make power that tells me its efficient, high timing to make power, well that's in-efficient.




any how in saying all that what i want to understand is how you can make the power you claim with the flow ristriction you would have and boost is another measurement of restriction WHEN i have very little retriction and more boost THE MATHS DONT ADD UP!!!
both engines are simple air pumps, more air in means more power simple!


firslty as martin pointed out your blower soaks up lots of power to drive it, parasitic loss. fwiw a top fuel engine's blower @ 50+psi boost requires well over 800hp to drive it, thats what sainty said anyway. secondly, how do you know that restriction maybe a good thing? Think about it.

btw my engine makes peak power at 6200rpm, thats it hits a brick wall, it also makes peak torque from 3800-5100

[BIG Shaun]

Welcome to parasitic and adiabatic efficiency Shaun :)
In other words your 18psi comes at a much greater drag on the engines power output than Girchs. That big belt driven paddle steamer on the Monaro more than likely robs around 200hp of the engines output to drive. You want some pretty fierce heads and cam to make up for that :lol:

yes very true!!! but hey you gotta admit sounds far better with the blower over a turbo:cool:

[SS346]

yes very true!!! but hey you gotta admit sounds far better with the blower over a turbo:cool:

Shaun i think you should chuck the blower out and strap on of these on. seriously. and i reckon the turbo sounds heaps better.


http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj170/ss346/phonepics012.jpg

a "soft" 1300 hp is easily achievable.

[BIG Shaun]

I totally understand where you are coming from, however have you ever thought that maybe your heads/cam are too big? you may have 20psi, thats fine however, how much flow is it pushing and how much of that pressure stays in the combustion chamber? maybe the 280 cam bleeds off way to much cylinder pressure? to me its seem as though its the same scenario as farting in the harbour tunnel and expect it to exit with great force.
its all about efficiency. if you run low ign timing to make power that tells me its efficient, high timing to make power, well that's in-efficient.

firslty as martin pointed out your blower soaks up lots of power to drive it, parasitic loss. fwiw a top fuel engine's blower @ 50+psi boost requires well over 800hp to drive it, thats what sainty said anyway. secondly, how do you know that restriction maybe a good thing? Think about it.

btw my engine makes peak power at 6200rpm, thats it hits a brick wall, it also makes peak torque from 3800-5100

heads are definatly not to big with the methanol they could be bigger,we have tryed quite a few cam shafts which didnt really knock boost around at all resulting back to old school facts that you need to turn a engine to make big power we were aiming for 1400hp witch you are not going to get in a blue fit turning a 400 small block under 7500-8000rpm.
like you said your power fulls away at 6000rpm where as mine just starts to really wake up then hence why i have a huge stall.
my engine has restriction....20psi of it, 2psi more than yours but a shit load more cylinder fill to get it there...doesnt that = more efficiency.(if ya fill the harbour tunnel with enough explosive it will exit with more than plenty of force)
any how good luck with what you are doing, i find it very interesting and just want to understand it thats all.


Shaun i think you should chuck the blower out and strap on of these on. seriously. and i reckon the turbo sounds heaps better



no offence but i hate how it makes V8 engines sound like a electric slot car.
im a blower man, love the big bang out of the pipes as its apart of what drag racing all about i reakon

[SS346]

heads are definatly not to big with the methanol they could be bigger,we have tryed quite a few cam shafts which didnt really knock boost around at all resulting back to old school facts that you need to turn a engine to make big power we were aiming for 1400hp witch you are not going to get in a blue fit turning a 400 small block under 7500-8000rpm.
like you said your power fulls away at 6000rpm where as mine just starts to really wake up then hence why i have a huge stall.
my engine has restriction....20psi of it, 2psi more than yours but a shit load more cylinder fill to get it there...doesnt that = more efficiency.(if ya fill the harbour tunnel with enough explosive it will exit with more than plenty of force)
any how good luck with what you are doing, i find it very interesting and just want to understand it thats all.

no not more efficient, your engine needs more boost/flow and rpm to make an extra 50 hp more than my motor, think about it, 2 psi less boost 1000rpm less of revs..............

Shaun, im a firm believer in keeping it simple, when you find the absolute limits of the oem parts only then should you upgrade.
even the rotary blokes realised the factory makes awesome stuff, one rotary mob i know use to make all these beautiful plenums and intake manifolds for years......... untill they tried the factory 20B intake and realised the extra power and torque they picked up over the contraptions they use to make. they're still trying to improve on the factory intake with no success.



no offence but i hate how it makes V8 engines sound like a electric slot car.
im a blower man, love the big bang out of the pipes as its apart of what drag racing all about i reakon

fair enough

[BIG Shaun]

no not more efficient, your engine needs more boost/flow and rpm to make an extra 50 hp more than my motor, think about it, 2 psi less boost 1000rpm less of revs..............



how did ytou work that one out??

on engine dyno:
i made 1200hp @ 6500rpm with 16-17psi

testing on chassis dyno:
makes 20psi @ 7500rpm
makes 22psi @ 8000rpm

so far on the track have seen up to 7000rpm through the finish as it needs more diff gearing.
saving that for sydney as it is along way to go to a country track just to find out that you cant get the car down the track.




testing on chassis dyno:
makes 20psi @ 7500rpm
makes 22psi @ 8000rpm



max power was made at 7700rpm even though boost still increases to 8000rpm.


how did ytou work that one out??

on engine dyno:
i made 1200hp @ 6500rpm with 16-17psi

testing on chassis dyno:
makes 20psi @ 7500rpm
makes 22psi @ 8000rpm

so far on the track have seen up to 7000rpm through the finish as it needs more diff gearing.
saving that for sydney as it is along way to go to a country track just to find out that you cant get the car down the track.



max power was made at 7700rpm even though boost still increases to 8000rpm.

this may have been because the km/h was maxed out on the mainline dyno at around 7000-7500rpm i think with my diff gearing

[Blown 540]

but am aiming to try and post details/pics Installer who is a mechanic/mate is aiming for atleast 1000 hp. we are doing internals and have recently upgraded auto trans to handle power, 3500 stally, corvette pistons and massive bands so far

btw its going to cost around 15000 all up back on the road, is this the rough price (including trans, internals, etc)

Any more details or pics yet jason,keen to see a budget build,maybe should have held off on the stally untill you had the engine and cam specs.
But then again doesnt seem to matter,what auto trans do you have.

[vy2ttr]

For those interested (big shaun) I weighed vx today at work, It weighed 1470 kg with me in it ! No smoke no mirrors and no v6 commodore ! :)

[BIG Shaun]

For those interested (big shaun) I weighed vx today at work, It weighed 1470 kg with me in it ! No smoke no mirrors and no v6 commodore ! :)

am i reading this right! you drive this car to work......
mm interesting, so if this is correct your telling me your driving this car around with no interior but a plastic lite weight racing seat and harness with no spare wheel etc like gareth originaly had it!!

[vy2ttr]

ha ha, no mate I dont drive it to work. I took it there on tilt tray to put it on dyno. Once I get exhaust refitted and glass windows back in who knows, may become a daily !:)

[RIDE:42]

1810kg`s with me in the ute

[BIG Shaun]

ha ha, no mate I dont drive it to work. I took it there on tilt tray to put it on dyno. Once I get exhaust refitted and glass windows back in who knows, may become a daily !:)

:cool: good luck with it.

[tacka007]

just find it interesting about the std cam!!!!!
im asuming stock size valves and no porting when you say stock heads?

if so how do you make that much horse power with all that flow restriction in the induction system with only 18 psi boost???
does not add up!!!
my engine has huge heads (compared to std) cam shaft in the 280"s and making 20psi boost with all that air pushing in there makes 1200hp @ 6500rpm .
peek torque is at 6700rpm and peek hp at around 7800rpm.
what it makes at 7800rpm is ??? cos the engine dyno i used maxed out at 1000lb/1200hp so we had to finish tuning on the chassis dyno to find what rpm peek power & torque was.
BUT with a 6500rpm stall i dont believe any figures that i read off a chassis dyno but was good to find out where power levels dropped off and i havnt turned the engine on the track past 7000rpm yet to use the moroso calculator.
any how in saying all that what i want to understand is how you can make the power you claim with the flow ristriction you would have and boost is another measurement of restriction WHEN i have very little retriction and more boost THE MATHS DONT ADD UP!!!
both engines are simple air pumps, more air in means more power simple!
as you kno there is more to a big horse power engine then just heads and cam ther are so many factors that come from r&d

[MickmeMate]

To me, it sounds like the thread starter should start off with edit, exhaust and diff and getting into the 12's before pulling out the big guns (nuclear weapons in this case).

Just remeber, there are people that are trying to sell you things, then there are others in this thread that are not they are just telling you from their experince having been down the road of big HP builds.

My advice, dont even try for the big numbers on a pretty much stock 346ci, your car will just end up with problems and in your shed, you will be scared to drive it incase something brakes etc etc. Just get the ASE TT kit (just to stir up Tuna), get a complete quality fuel system (pumps, injectors, surge tank etc), get a good tune from someone that has done plenty of TT kits, get your Auto strengthened, upgrade your brakes, put quality rubber on your car. You might only end up with a fraction of 1000hp, but it will be more than enough, I promise you, this alone will blow your mind. Once you learn to control this power and you still want more, take your motor out, build a +400ci motor, drop it back in and up the boost.

Just read this and to the OP this guy is on the money follow that advice and then go from there!!

[psykor8]

:nos: :nos: :nos:

[nirvana]

OP any progress?

[JezzaB]

Any more updates?

[Clutchy]

After 2 years how is the project going?
Pockets still deep?

[vx_clubby]

Hey Jason, if this is legit, will you have it insured? If so who with? Im with Shannons atm and they dont seem to want to know about a TT car in South Australia!

Oops didnt notice it was that old :P

Questions still stands if anyone has a response, and Im talking a VT,VX,VY model

[redmonaro]

:lmao: funny read