VE SSV paint finish

[glenncol]

Hey guys

I was wondering if there are any of you out that with a SS that is finished int he Nickel colour?

I have notice and had pointed out to me that the plastics i.e bumpers, side skirts appear to me a different shade and in some light it looks two tone

[diabolic]

Yep this was a big issue back in the earlier days with most of the colours, not just Nickel..

Could be wrong but I think the later models have gotten a lot better.. (mine doesn't seem to be 2-tone anyway).

Dan

[RTracer1]

Yep , mine has been away for 6 weeks so far getting a full respray because of contaminates in the paint (Nitrate or Switchblade)

[Drewie]

Pretty common problem in the earlier cars, this is a new car in the showroom, looks like it has been hit in the rear and a bad repair.

http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg59/Drewie47/38357.jpg

[heavychevy]

Good photo, I've seen some variations but none so bad as that.
Obviously the fluros didn't help.

My guess as a novice, is that they might apply a charge to the body in the painting process to reduce wastage and attract the spray. Maybe the silver elements align differently on non conductive surfaces.

[Wonky]

Has been covered before eg. Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=100899)

Yep heavychevy, I certainly believe that's what they do, plus I believe the body and bars are painted separately i.e. the bars are not painted at or by Holden, thus increasing the chances of mismatch due to different paint batches.

I thought it was impossible to match perfectly due to differences between plastic bumpers and metal body, as evidenced by the following two pics taken 30 secs apart of my (then) new SSV sedan. In one pic the bar looks lighter and in one pic darker! :eek: Seems to depend on angle of reflectiion.

http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/SSV/102SSV03April07sm.jpg
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o274/gcovo/SSV/103SSV04April07sm.jpg

However, I was just reading Darkrayne's My Ride thread (Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=108243)) and in post #273 he says his new front bar now matches perfectly!!

[Darkrayne]

From what I've heard they spray the bumpers at a different place then bring them together to fit.. obviously theyre black and then take primer, base and clear.. hence different silver to the body..

I've just had fitted and painted a brand new front bumper through Vulcan panel n paint here in perth and in the nickel silver metallic.. they did nothiing short of perfect in matching my once horribly mismatched bumper colour. My old front bumper also had paint defects under the driving light areas too... glad the mrs bumped the last bumper so its all sweet now :).

Wouldn't trust holden with painting any car..

DR

Edit: beat me to it Wonky ;)

[crew chief]

The body shell and all the plastic parts are not sprayed together on the vehicle. The plastic parts actually have a different paint as well and are not even sprayed in the same building as the turrets. This has always been an issue and not just with holdens either. The clear coat on the turret is baked at too high of a temperature for the plastic also.

[amckiwi]

Some colours are worse than others

I cnsidered the green for my ute but the sales rep said could not guarantee the colours would match which turned me right off

I also saw some bad colour matches on silver cars in the show room

I ended up with red and in some lights there still seems a colour difference but maybe its not so obvious as some of the other colours

Toyota seem to be able to colour match why cannot our car builders

Stu

[GavinO]

Hey guys

I was wondering if there are any of you out that with a SS that is finished int he Nickel colour?

I have notice and had pointed out to me that the plastics i.e bumpers, side skirts appear to me a different shade and in some light it looks two tone

My SS-V ute in nickel was rubbish from the factory. Have had this fixed under warranty by Holden. Bumpers were resprayed and blended into body panels. This is the only way to get it right. No panel shop will be able to get it to match by respraying bumpers only.

Be firm with your Holden dealer, they were somewhat reluctant to have this fixed initially, tried to fob me off with the usual "you're the only one to complain about this" crap. But, found out through local panel shops that many cars had been rectified under warranty.

[SV346]

Holden are pretty piss weak when it comes to any sort of a problem, especially with the paint issue, ANY workshop im sure has had at least a handful of repairs and its an insult if they try to tell you otherwise, it is that common.
One workshop i talked to, had a completely transparent ssv commodore come in for a respray, you could see the metal and plastic through the paint it was so dodgily painted and thin.

[Darkrayne]

No panel shop will be able to get it to match by respraying bumpers only.

I beg to differ.. Vulcans here do show quality work and did my bumper only... i can't tell the difference in any light now.. ;) the finish is smoother than glass and not one bit of OP...

[The-V8-Power]

The image of the one in the showroom does look pretty poor matching wise. Although wouldnt that of been in the Nickel? Since it has the normal tail lights compared to them now with the clearer SS-V ones with the 'New' Nitrate.

Then again I found this one of Nitrate and doesnt look much better:

http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/cil/117767.jpg

[GavinO]

I beg to differ.. Vulcans here do show quality work and did my bumper only... i can't tell the difference in any light now.. ;) the finish is smoother than glass and not one bit of OP...

Fair call. Did Holden warranty pay for the show quality work?

[Super Snake]

When paint is supplied to Holden and depends which company supplies it, all the colour matching is made at the same time.
Each batch for plastic, body and interior colours are done and made at the same time.
They are colour checked and matched to the current batch, the previous batch and also to the colour standard that Holden have approved.
Holden would be painting the bodies, whilst external contracting companies would be painting bumpers as an example.
This is where the problem is. It only takes a dirty spray from the gun to change the colour. If standards are not met in this instance, colour varies.
All use of any paint has to be applied to the agreed standards matched by Holden and paint suplliers.
This is not happening.

[RTracer1]

Holden will do anything to get out of a warranty paint claim including lying and cheating! It took me 6 months of fighting to get my car resprayed, initially they wouldn't even look at it and blamed the dealer I purchased it from , saying it should have been spotted on pre delivery. The car was actually PDed atthe Brisbane zone office , they then said that they would paint only some of the car and wouldn't garauntee the paint would match. They also said the paint was in spec , when questioned on this they addmited there was no spec and after pointing out they had done nothing but tell porkies agreed to respray the whole car. So in the total time I have owned the car we have been without it for 9 weeks and counting.

It is currently being resprayed at Concorde smash repairs , I have heard good things about these guys so I'm hoping I'm impressed when I finally get to drive it again.

[Darkrayne]

Fair call. Did Holden warranty pay for the show quality work?

No way.. INsurance did as mrs pulled half of my old one off... but it was all we needed to get a whole newy done and matched properly. I won't go to anyone but Vulcans.

Wouldn't let holden near my car...ever!.. with my last vy ss i even scrapped the $1k ext warranty i had with them as i didnt want them screwing it up again... want something done right best get it done with someone you trust imo, even if it costs..

[08ssv]

I have been out of the spray painting field for about six years but this has been a problem for a long time. Not just with holden but all other brands as well. If you look close enough it is a problem seen on all colours, including whites and solid colours. With the solid colours it can take a trained eye to pick the difference but it is there. Metallic colours show it up the worst and the worst metallic colour to pick it on is silver and grey.

We found that the main reason for the difference was that the bumpers supplied from the factory had not been given a coat of white primer as the metal panels had. They were just sprayed with clear plastic primer and then had their top coat colour applied.

We always coated new replacement bars with plastic primer then white primer then colour and never had any dramas with colour matches. this problem is especially noticeable with metallics. Due to their nature any minute differences in preparation and spraying technique can drastically alter the appearance of the colour. for example two coats of colour compared to three coats of the same colour can totally change the appearance of the colour. Also the primer colour can change the top coat colour.

For example if I were to take a car and prime half of it in white primer and tint the other half of the car so that the primer was black and then apply three coats of a metallic colour to the whole car the colour would look different where the white and black primer is.

It's a problem thats been here for a while and probably isnt going to go away. Thats the problem with painting. It's not a simple thing to do as there are a myriad of different factors that affect the outcome. Spray pattern, humidity, basecoat colour, metallic colours, three layer pearl colours, time of day, how close, how far away the gun is held, air pressure, the list goes on and on and on.

Now I remember why I left the trade. I valued what little sanity I had left. FYI most panel shops that are half decent will be able to match the bumper colour to the body though. :)

[VESSV316]

I have been out of the spray painting field for about six years but this has been a problem for a long time. Not just with holden but all other brands as well. If you look close enough it is a problem seen on all colours, including whites and solid colours. With the solid colours it can take a trained eye to pick the difference but it is there. Metallic colours show it up the worst and the worst metallic colour to pick it on is silver and grey.

We found that the main reason for the difference was that the bumpers supplied from the factory had not been given a coat of white primer as the metal panels had. They were just sprayed with clear plastic primer and then had their top coat colour applied.

We always coated new replacement bars with plastic primer then white primer then colour and never had any dramas with colour matches. this problem is especially noticeable with metallics. Due to their nature any minute differences in preparation and spraying technique can drastically alter the appearance of the colour. for example two coats of colour compared to three coats of the same colour can totally change the appearance of the colour. Also the primer colour can change the top coat colour.

For example if I were to take a car and prime half of it in white primer and tint the other half of the car so that the primer was black and then apply three coats of a metallic colour to the whole car the colour would look different where the white and black primer is.

It's a problem thats been here for a while and probably isnt going to go away. Thats the problem with painting. It's not a simple thing to do as there are a myriad of different factors that affect the outcome. Spray pattern, humidity, basecoat colour, metallic colours, three layer pearl colours, time of day, how close, how far away the gun is held, air pressure, the list goes on and on and on.

Now I remember why I left the trade. I valued what little sanity I had left. FYI most panel shops that are half decent will be able to match the bumper colour to the body though. :)

exactly right mate , i am in the Smash Repair trade it all comes down to the preperation. It is hard for any manufacturer to get good colour matches on metallics when they are not painting the bars and the body of the car at the same time , simple as that

[HSVQUE]

My SS-V ute in nickel was rubbish from the factory. Have had this fixed under warranty by Holden. Bumpers were resprayed and blended into body panels. This is the only way to get it right. No panel shop will be able to get it to match by respraying bumpers only.

Be firm with your Holden dealer, they were somewhat reluctant to have this fixed initially, tried to fob me off with the usual "you're the only one to complain about this" crap. But, found out through local panel shops that many cars had been rectified under warranty.

Did the dealer choose a Panel shop? How did you go about getting yours rectified exactly..?

[mustanger]

Apparently Holden moved away from Nickel (silver)to Nitrate(silver) because it was easier to colourmatch :teach::confused:

[REDHOTVZUTE]

I have been out of the spray painting field for about six years but this has been a problem for a long time. Not just with holden but all other brands as well. If you look close enough it is a problem seen on all colours, including whites and solid colours. With the solid colours it can take a trained eye to pick the difference but it is there. Metallic colours show it up the worst and the worst metallic colour to pick it on is silver and grey.

We found that the main reason for the difference was that the bumpers supplied from the factory had not been given a coat of white primer as the metal panels had. They were just sprayed with clear plastic primer and then had their top coat colour applied.

We always coated new replacement bars with plastic primer then white primer then colour and never had any dramas with colour matches. this problem is especially noticeable with metallics. Due to their nature any minute differences in preparation and spraying technique can drastically alter the appearance of the colour. for example two coats of colour compared to three coats of the same colour can totally change the appearance of the colour. Also the primer colour can change the top coat colour.

For example if I were to take a car and prime half of it in white primer and tint the other half of the car so that the primer was black and then apply three coats of a metallic colour to the whole car the colour would look different where the white and black primer is.

It's a problem thats been here for a while and probably isnt going to go away. Thats the problem with painting. It's not a simple thing to do as there are a myriad of different factors that affect the outcome. Spray pattern, humidity, basecoat colour, metallic colours, three layer pearl colours, time of day, how close, how far away the gun is held, air pressure, the list goes on and on and on.

Now I remember why I left the trade. I valued what little sanity I had left. FYI most panel shops that are half decent will be able to match the bumper colour to the body though. :)

Well written and not a truer word spoken.I describe vehicle painting as X-FILES =as so many variables come into play..I definitely see these problems as a challenge,but am also a sucker for punishment.I most definitely blend out silvers and champagnes in particular as to avoid customer and personal disappointment.
As the new VE series cars were unloaded in my area,I was shocked to see colour variations in plastics.The bars from what I know were all done in NZ and shipped to here for installaton-might be cause of this problem..my 2 cents.Nick-Detroit Custom Bodyworks

[GavinO]

Did the dealer choose a Panel shop? How did you go about getting yours rectified exactly..?

Dealer chose the panel shop as it's a warranty issue (as opposed to an insurance claim). Dealer had to get the okay from the district service manager, local dealer can only okay repairs outside their workshop up to $800. Obviously the dealer chose the lowest quote, which was for colour match respraying bumpers only. Job was not up to scratch when delivered to me. Car went back following week, bars and sills resprayed (new front bar supplied and paid for by panel shop???), this time blended into body panels. Colour match satisfactory now. Funny how Holden said initially that they wouldn't pay for blending into body, then do exactly that 3 weeks later.

My advice, with the benefit of hindsight - be firm with your selling dealer and don't let them send your car to a non reputable panel shop. When pushed they will take the best course of action. Any dramas PM me for further details.

[glenncol]

Hey guys

I had a bit of a win yesterday when meeting with the District Service manager.

I got to the dealership and spoke to the Dealer Service manager who went the go the distrct manager, i was ready for a leghty argument. We walked out ot the car and didnt even get to it and the words we spoken "That is crap" and "Book it in"

I hardly said three words and but the issue was plain as day, so the car will be sent in on the 22nd of June

I went and had a chat to the spray painter later yesterday afternoon and was told point blank that the outcome would not be 100% but alot better than what it is

[Wonky]

Good to hear!! Hopefully they can improve it significantly! Must have been bad given his reaction. :yup: