Exhaust/performance shops in SE burbs help

[Kuzman89]

Hey guys, I've looked around and cannot find a decent performance and exhaust shop in the SE burbs. This is for a Sv6 Ve

One shop quoted me $440 (not fitted) for extractors, $400 (not fitted) for cats, and $400 for getting sausages and the 2inch section cut out of my exhaust and replaced with straight 2 1/4 inch steel pipe. The fitting for extractors and cats he quoted me around $500. Then a dyno $150

Went to another place on Hammond road, and he gave me a much better quote, $700 for extractors fitted and cutting my exhaust. Haven't asked about the cats yet, but already you can tell he is better. $120 for a dyno

So my question is... good price? Or should I find someone else around? If so what are they called?

I would fit the extractors myself, but it requires cutting and a flang put in. Which I haven't the skills to do.

Oh and pacemaker charge $300 for HPC. Any shops do it for cheaper? It's incredibly expensive lol, seeing as I can get pacemakers for $400ish.

Thanks alot for your time!

[boyley]

Hey guys, I've looked around and cannot find a decent performance and exhaust shop in the SE burbs. This is for a Sv6 Ve

One shop quoted me $440 (not fitted) for extractors, $400 (not fitted) for cats, and $400 for getting sausages and the 2inch section cut out of my exhaust and replaced with straight 2 1/4 inch steel pipe. The fitting for extractors and cats he quoted me around $500. Then a dyno $150

Went to another place on Hammond road, and he gave me a much better quote, $700 for extractors fitted and cutting my exhaust. Haven't asked about the cats yet, but already you can tell he is better. $120 for a dyno

So my question is... good price? Or should I find someone else around? If so what are they called?

I would fit the extractors myself, but it requires cutting and a flang put in. Which I haven't the skills to do.

Oh and pacemaker charge $300 for HPC. Any shops do it for cheaper? It's incredibly expensive lol, seeing as I can get pacemakers for $400ish.

Thanks alot for your time!

Chevs Performance Carrum Downs I think...by all account the go:goodjob:

I would assume he touches V6's

[ratabro]

Yeah mate give Chev a call.
I was at his workshop one saturday he was putting an exhaust on a sv6.
Dont know what exhaust he put on. It sounded good.

[Kuzman89]

Chevs was abit of a waste, basically

You get the parts and we will fit them.

They didn't even know the VCM tune wasn't out yet for the MY08 09

Further said not many companies in australia are touching the alloytecs. Which I know isn't true, just not many companies in Victoria!

So i'm sticking with Al's custom exhaust. At least he knows what he's talking about. And I suspect a good price. Better then Horsepower failury.

[ratabro]

Chevs was abit of a waste, basically

You get the parts and we will fit them.

They didn't even know the VCM tune wasn't out yet for the MY08 09

Further said not many companies in australia are touching the alloytecs. Which I know isn't true, just not many companies in Victoria!

So i'm sticking with Al's custom exhaust. At least he knows what he's talking about. And I suspect a good price. Better then Horsepower failury.

Yeah Al's custom exhaust used him before. Not too many around that can beat him on price. He put an exhaust on the wifes bf xr6. Very happy with his work. A great bloke very helpful.

[Nitronic12]

So who would work on an alloytec down in the south eastern suburbs?

I'm looking for someone good to do work on my VZ.

I know Ringwood Exhausts is a hazard zone.

[Kuzman89]

mate I would give Al's custom exhaust a go.

He knows what he is doing and gives a good price for installation.

Tell him Allen sent ya!

I will be sourcing my parts directly from the manufacturer, as pacemaker want $300 for ceramic coating, take it done to an independant coater and save myself $100 bucks, then get him to put it all together.

[SSV8TE]

Chevs was abit of a waste, basically

You get the parts and we will fit them.

They didn't even know the VCM tune wasn't out yet for the MY08 09

Further said not many companies in australia are touching the alloytecs. Which I know isn't true, just not many companies in Victoria!

So i'm sticking with Al's custom exhaust. At least he knows what he's talking about. And I suspect a good price. Better then Horsepower failury.

Just a friendly word of advice mate. Dont slag off not 1 but 2 forum sponsors if they didnt exactly give you the advice you wanted to hear.
These two sponsors are highly respected on this forum and im sure they would of helped you if they could of.
Not meant to be a massive dig at you. Just a friendly word of advice.

[ADAM 26]

If you wanted a good sounding powerfull car, why get a v6 in the first place?

why do you want a dyno run after the exhaust id done? or you after a tune aswell.

[skarekrow]

If you wanted a good sounding powerfull car, why get a v6 in the first place?

why do you want a dyno run after the exhaust id done? or you after a tune aswell.

ok - everyone here knows this is an ls1 forum. I.E. focussed on the V8's. But why does everyone who asks for help with a V6 get immediately told "buy the V8", or "why didn't you get the V8".
Ppl get the V6 for a number of reasons, be it insurance and fuel costs, p plate restrictions, funds at the time not allowing the higher purchase price, so on so forth...

Sure, most of us in a V6 realise we won't get the same power as we would from the V8. But we have every right to find a decent exhaust that sounds nice, and gives a helpful little boost to power and torque.
:soap:

getting off the soapbox, it does seem like sydney/nsw is well catered for compared to melbourne and brisbane. Good luck, let us know how you go!

[Kuzman89]

Im on my p's, cant exactly be driving around in a twin turbo V12 stroker.
Alloytecs have alot of potential.

Not slagging, just not very helpful, I know the alloytec hasn't had much in the way of attention from most shops but a good performance shop (one which deals with ALOT of holdens) should know quite a lot about them anyway.
Like Castle Hill Exhaust and CPR, shame they aren't based in Victoria.

I'll be sticking to Al's, great bloke. Only exhaust shop that didn't recommend the x-force for the V6. Which by all accounts drones like a mother-bitch lol, quite a waste really.

Should mention enhance automotive as well, too bad they are in SA!!


ok - everyone here knows this is an ls1 forum. I.E. focussed on the V8's. But why does everyone who asks for help with a V6 get immediately told "buy the V8", or "why didn't you get the V8".
Ppl get the V6 for a number of reasons, be it insurance and fuel costs, p plate restrictions, funds at the time not allowing the higher purchase price, so on so forth...

Sure, most of us in a V6 realise we won't get the same power as we would from the V8. But we have every right to find a decent exhaust that sounds nice, and gives a helpful little boost to power and torque.
:soap:

getting off the soapbox, it does seem like sydney/nsw is well catered for compared to melbourne and brisbane. Good luck, let us know how you go!

Cheers mate, a Meatloaf song comes to mind haha.

Would like to see a V8 getting 4-5litres on the freeway :smilesandbanana:

Like me telling all those 4 cylinder jap ricers out there to stop wasting there time and get a 6!

Anyway, if I get desperate I could always drive to NSW and back... on one tank of fuel! :bow:

But yeh mate, ill get it done, ill give you some feedback if your interested.

[Wonky]

Chevs was abit of a waste, basically

You get the parts and we will fit them.

They didn't even know the VCM tune wasn't out yet for the MY08 09

Further said not many companies in australia are touching the alloytecs. Which I know isn't true, just not many companies in Victoria!

So i'm sticking with Al's custom exhaust. At least he knows what he's talking about. And I suspect a good price. Better then Horsepower failury.

When you say 'they' you were actually talking to Big Rob because Chev was installing the actuators in my car when you came in. Big Rob is fantastic on mechanicals and manufacturing unique tools but has absolutely nothing to do with the tuning side of things. As someone said, and Big Rob confirmed, if you just wanted extractors etc fitted they're happy to do that for you whereas a lot of shops are not interested in fitting parts that are customer supplied because they miss out on their profit on selling the part.

Chev doesn't need (or I assume want) to get into V6 tuning too as he is flat out already - I had to book in virtually a week in advance for my work yesterday! :eek: Shops that have more than one tuner can afford to have one person concentrate more on V6 but as the one tuner there, to do that he would be spreading himself too thin.

[Kuzman89]

I was asking about cats, headers and a myriad of other things to do with my exhaust and car in general.

Fair enough Chevs is busy, just not a big help, considering I've had quite a few people recommend them for Holdens.

[swingtan]

Here's an idea.

If you have an issue with a workshop, speak to them about it rather than spouting off on a forum. Keep on topic please people.

swingtan

[Knawful]

All i can say is it must've been a busy time...
Chev's always helped me when i've rang, and has a great rep.

[ATOMIC BOMB]

Kuzman89
Hey mate can you let us know how ya went with exhaust,
I have a ve v6 aswell and live in SE.
Would like to upgrade to better sounding exhaust.

Thanks

[JC1971]

I'd be interested as well in getting my VE SV6 sounding a bit better.

I don't want any additional performance (although won't complain if I get a bonus) just a nice sounding exhaust. Thinking of just replacing the mufflers (straight through).

Has anyone bolted on the standard SS mufflers to an SV6. Are the SS mufflers any different to the SV6 except for the quad pipes???

Thanks guys,

JC

[duke5700]

I think the hesitation you will find, is the simple fact alot of money doesn't go very fair with these engines. Gaining minimal HP, for dollar outlay doesn't look good for anyone and the kind of person that has a V6 and is chasing parts and doing things himself plus getting on the very same forum and bitching about how un helpful they where would be exactly the kind of customer you would not want. Maybe adjust your attitude while talking to these people, they have a hell of alot of knowledge and winding your neck in while talking to these people and here on the forums may elicit a better response.

As for exhausts, have you though of utilising a V8 catback combined with extractors and hi-flo cats? Or are the cat-backs on the SV models the same size?

[Wonky]

All i can say is it must've been a busy time...
Chev's always helped me when i've rang, and has a great rep.

It was! I know coz I was sitting at the pc in the office when the OP came in while Chev was working on my car. However, to give him his credit from what I heard the guy was very courteous and didn't take up too much of Rob's time.

Unfortunately Chev and Big Rob have such a long queue of V8 guys waiting for work that they don't have the time to get into V6 stuff. When I read the original reply recommending Chev's I thought that will be fine if he goes in and says "I have these extractors and this exhaust and I need someone to fit them" or similar.

Asking for advice on V6 equipment is a whole different ballgame however! They would rather be honest and say I don't know, try somewhere else, than spin some BS tale pretending to be experts. That's the way they operate - no crap!

[duke5700]

If thats the case Wonky, I take back some of my post. My apologies.

[Wonky]

If thats the case Wonky, I take back some of my post. My apologies.

Sorry duke, didn't even realise I was addressing points you raised, so certainly wasn't responding to or having a go at you! :)

I only read your post as far as "I think the hesitation you will find, is the simple fact alot of money doesn't go very fair with these engines." and thought to myself "yep" before addressing what Knawful said. Total coincidence I raised the courtesy thing. :eek: (Unless my brain has done a speed reading course while I was sleeping and I actually did subconsciously read more than I realised!)

[duke5700]

Sorry duke, didn't even realise I was addressing points you raised, so certainly wasn't responding to or having a go at you! :)

I only read your post as far as "I think the hesitation you will find, is the simple fact alot of money doesn't go very fair with these engines." and thought to myself "yep" before addressing what Knawful said. Total coincidence I raised the courtesy thing. :eek: (Unless my brain has done a speed reading course while I was sleeping and I actually did subconsciously read more than I realised!)

Sorry Wonky, should of paraphrased the part where you said he was courteous as In thats what I was apologising about. Damn typing fingers getting ahead of my thinking fingers.

[Kuzman89]

I think the hesitation you will find, is the simple fact alot of money doesn't go very fair with these engines. Gaining minimal HP, for dollar outlay doesn't look good for anyone and the kind of person that has a V6 and is chasing parts and doing things himself plus getting on the very same forum and bitching about how un helpful they where would be exactly the kind of customer you would not want. Maybe adjust your attitude while talking to these people, they have a hell of alot of knowledge and winding your neck in while talking to these people and here on the forums may elicit a better response.

As for exhausts, have you though of utilising a V8 catback combined with extractors and hi-flo cats? Or are the cat-backs on the SV models the same size?

The V8 and V6 exhausts are essentially the same. Swapping the catback and mufflers won't do anything.

I am only sourcing parts myself because Chev was unable to order them in, they don't work with pacemaker supposedly.

yes they do have a hell of alot of knowledge, but not with the alloytecs, hence why i was disappointed in the first place. I wasn't knocking them, the reason i started this thread was because i was looking for good advice on prices, so far Al's has been the fairest, and he knows what he is talking about with the alloytecs. the exhaust side of it mainly. When i get a V8 i will more then likely take it to Chevs for engine work.

Also, saying "money doesn't go far with these engines" is a crock. The tunable VE's, mostly the 06's get around 70nm or torque from just a tune.

Anyway, from what I've gathered, the V6 2.25 exhaust is fine, to make it sound better you really only need to change the rear mufflers to straight throughs, Monaro327 recomends redback for the sedans, i got the di fillipo equivalent for the ute (as redback doesnt make them)

the next stage, if you want it sounding louder is to take out this part of the exhaust (pic below is off monaro327's exhaust)

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and replace with straight stainless steel 2.25".

Then extractors and hi-flow cats should make it abit louder, or softer, not sure as i haven't got it done it.

If you get the x-force 2.5" system, alot of people have been complaining the drone is deafening, KTM, Sureflo or another exhaust specialist would drone alot less i would imagine.

Would be different from alloytec to alloytec, so maybe do it in stages. You might find taking out the sausages makes it drone like a mother-bitch.


I'll let you know how it goes!!

Cheers.

[vy2lx8]

If you are anywhere near cranbourne try Kleenflo exhausts, speak to calvin, tell him Rossi sent ya, really knows what hes doin, does custom steam pipe manifolds for turbos as well as stock exhausts for dealerships, really knows his shit.

[duke5700]

to go from what 120rwkw to 130rwkw, means you may now have the hp/tq to blow off a hyundai I30 and even them probably not, hence my saying the money spent is not a value orientated thing. Obviously if you wanted performance you would of bought different.

See, people think now that an exhaust extractors and a OTR should net 50rwkw and smack loads of torque. Applying those principals in this case it will not occur.

Seeing as your trying to doing it on the cheap, which is fair enough. Swap out the rear mufflers and bolt on some decent cats and extractors and go from there get a tune.

I am assuming you have the older ecu I think from memory the e55 series to be able to tune it. The newer e77 ecu is still not supported by VCM suite at this stage.

[JC1971]

Thanks guys for the info and Kuz, would be interested to know how you go.

Cheers,

Jc

[skarekrow]

hang on, the redback mufflers don't fit a ute? i thought they were built on the same design as the sedan??

[Kuzman89]

hang on, the redback mufflers don't fit a ute? i thought they were built on the same design as the sedan??

When Al ordered them in, the supplier messed up and must have assumed that as well, tries fitting them on to no avail. SO be careful, they might these days however.


to go from what 120rwkw to 130rwkw, means you may now have the hp/tq to blow off a hyundai I30 and even them probably not, hence my saying the money spent is not a value orientated thing. Obviously if you wanted performance you would of bought different.

See, people think now that an exhaust extractors and a OTR should net 50rwkw and smack loads of torque. Applying those principals in this case it will not occur.

Seeing as your trying to doing it on the cheap, which is fair enough. Swap out the rear mufflers and bolt on some decent cats and extractors and go from there get a tune.

I am assuming you have the older ecu I think from memory the e55 series to be able to tune it. The newer e77 ecu is still not supported by VCM suite at this stage.


I now thats not the case, 50rwkw is alot.

And its not the fact Im doing it "on the cheap", im doing it smartly. Its a fact that a 2.5inch zorst on the V6's drone to hell. Even on alot of 8's they do.

The alloytecs are abit of a hit and miss, monaro327 got 142rwkw from just a set of extractors, while some other people with a full exhaust, headers, cats etc only get around 130rwkw.

And VCM wont support the MY08 + till next year they reckon. Powerchip do a flash tune, with promising results, keep the same ecu and all.

Ive already got:
CAI
Mufflers

Will be getting:
CPR6 Manifold
Headers
Cats
tune
brake upgrade (probably last)

and maybe cams then Ported cylinder heads and stroking it if a kit comes out. Ill see what enhanced auto says.

Would like to leave it NA, but if a good kit comes out will consider it once im off my p's.

I know its not a V8 and will never have the performance of one NA, but they are still great motors to work on. 9000rpm safely with just a cam change. :bow:

[skarekrow]

thanks for that! I'll have to check.
how much did the difilipo mufflers set you back, if you don't mind me asking? Is there a sound clip of them available somewhere?

[duke5700]

Just make sure you understand fully that for all this money you are going to spend a SS with a tune, even if you stroke it and the like is going to blow you into the weeds. It gets to a point where you want to go faster not get poorer.

Its sad that VCM suite can't support it yet but there just isn't business case for it. 90% of people who buy the 6 don't want to go faster, they just want a commuter. Where as 90% of V8 owners bought the car because it is a little bit faster and the urge to go just a bit faster doesn't take much scratching.

All dyno figures are rubbish, they really are. Monaro327 142rwkw is another mans 120rwkw. Don't go down the path of comparing figures it will send you nuts. Just be happy with how the car drives.

I like diversity, and I like all cars and there has been some hot 6 bangers over the years, but make sure in the end your not handing over your hard earned for such a little result you feel cheated and throw it all away and get an 8 in the end and think jeez I shoulda just done this from the start.

[Kuzman89]

I understand that completely ^^^^ A stroked NA V6 with all of the above would kill a tuned SS VE though. And dynos arent always accurate, but they do give some sign. Thats why most people quote them.

Might be cheaper to just turbo it and somehow keep the cops off my back haha.
Would like to leave it NA just for the drivability and fuel economy, as a fast car with awesome returns would be awesome. I'll see what happens after my exhaust, manifold and tune. And yeh I know cams and stroker would kill fuel economy, why im even more hesitant.

skarecrow, I got mine in stainless steel installed with quad tips (non ss ones) for around $700, if you got some in mild steel and sourced the tips yourself you would save abit I imagine.

I will try making a sound clip.

EDIT: oh and as far as VCM, it is sad. But that doesn't make sense, they held back the alloytecs for the falcons and dodges. The Sv6 still outsells the xr6, and has been for quite a while. They would make more money on the 6's if the MY08 + tune were out.

[duke5700]

Yeah but, going from XR6T tuning to the n/a tuning was obviously easier. They had all ready done the leg work. There is no performance 6 at holden that quite has that instill confidence in the performance community that the XR6T has.

Your stroked n/a 6 would have to develop more than 100+rwkw over stock and god knows how much more torque. I don't want to bust your bubble but im not sure it would do that. Its a big ask of any engine.

Think ballpark it would need around the "260rwkw" and it wont have the torque of the 6L.

[Kuzman89]

Would love to try it out, 4.0L alloytec.

Yeah, ok that makes sense. Damn holden not having a forced VE!!

Still believe there is a market for the V6, I've had around 30 people just off this and justcommo inquire about the CPR manifold, not everyone said yes though, going for just the exhaust and tune, but it shows there is a market. Much more then the standard xr6's.

[skarekrow]

i second kuzman89, plenty of v6 boys have been hanging out for quite a while for VCM to release a tune for MY08 and newer commodores. i'm one of them - and it's mildy frustrating to get shunted back in the queue...
And an exhaust... almost everyone would like a little bit more sound/power/torque from the alloytec. Epecially a little more torque down low. And to make the alloytec sound a little less harsh when she starts screaming near the redline.

[wyldnyt]

Hey guys, I've looked around and cannot find a decent performance and exhaust shop in the SE burbs. This is for a Sv6 Ve

One shop quoted me $440 (not fitted) for extractors, $400 (not fitted) for cats, and $400 for getting sausages and the 2inch section cut out of my exhaust and replaced with straight 2 1/4 inch steel pipe. The fitting for extractors and cats he quoted me around $500. Then a dyno $150

Went to another place on Hammond road, and he gave me a much better quote, $700 for extractors fitted and cutting my exhaust. Haven't asked about the cats yet, but already you can tell he is better. $120 for a dyno

So my question is... good price? Or should I find someone else around? If so what are they called?

I would fit the extractors myself, but it requires cutting and a flang put in. Which I haven't the skills to do.

Oh and pacemaker charge $300 for HPC. Any shops do it for cheaper? It's incredibly expensive lol, seeing as I can get pacemakers for $400ish.

Thanks alot for your time!


Y would you waste your time on v6 mite gain you 2 xtra rwkw lmao.
Sell it n get a v8 or turbo if you wanaq do performance upgrades, doing shit on a v6 is just a waste of time and money imo.
Either turbo it get real performance or leave it stock

[JC1971]

I've decided to just get the GTS mufflers.

Anyone in Vic who has upgraded there VE GTS and wants to get rid of there quad mufflers, let me know (PM).

Cheers,

JC

[Wonky]

Apart from the tips I believe the VE HSV and SS catbacks are the same, so unless you specifically want the HSV tips you could just get SS/SSV rear mufflers.

[amckiwi]

Seen them in ebay time to time

Stu

[JC1971]

I've been watching Ebay but not much on atm.

I was told the HSV/GTS mufflers were different internally to the SS. I thought the SS were the same as the SV6 but had quad pipes instead of the dual?

Now I'm confused :doh:

[Kuzman89]

You won't pick up much, sound or powerwise.

Ive seen a few straight through mufflers on ebay, a couple redbacks etc. maybe wait for someone to sell theres?

You could get just the redbacks, if they fit without tips, and reuse yours, Al would do it for alot cheaper then what I paid for tips and mufflers I reckon in mild steel though.


Also, wyldnyt, i'm on my p's. As you may be aware p platers can not drive FI or V8 vehicles.

If a stealth kit was available I would consider it, but the risk of a $1000 fine, loosing my license and probably a defect isn't worth it right now lol.

hey mate, these look good!!

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/JUNBL-Mufflers-on-08-VE-Clubsport-for-2-weeks_W0QQitemZ250433359695QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_C ar_Parts_Accessories?hash=item3a4efdcf4f&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=66%3A4|65%3A1|39%3A1|240%3A1318|301%3A0| 293%3A2|294%3A200

[MTC]

I've decided to just get the GTS mufflers.

Anyone in Vic who has upgraded there VE GTS and wants to get rid of there quad mufflers, let me know (PM).

Cheers,

JC

Sent ya a PM as i have both HSV & SS one's

Mike