Xforce Vs Manta

[1BEAST2NV]

In the process of changing my full system, future cam down the track so im going twin 3",

Now been reading mixed opinions about xforce..... read nothing about manta...

Any of you boys have a manta 3" twin system, paccies and hi flow cats.. or similar??? Or even just a manta system???

seems ppl are going xforce just because there cheaper.... BUT are they better?? like drone wise and performance vs sound

Whats your opinions of the 2,

I like it loud, but dont want it in the car. wonna keep the sound out the back.

Kevin

[Clubb'N]

depends on what sort of note you're after ultimately, x-force are a very loud barky exhaust and i think they sound shit in my eyes. But many people like them.

Hear them in the flesh if possible as recordings never capture the sound properly

[monaro327]

xforce are cheap made in china crap really. sorry to upset the fan boys but yeah i've seen some photos of xforce stuff posted on this forums after only 12months of use it doesn't last. all xforce stuff has very low quality control.

[stringer1050]

I've currently got a dual 2.5'' x-force setup on my vz ss ute and prefer it much more then the 2.5'' manta system i had on my previous vy ss. Do admit the drone is worse with the x-force but overall sound outside of the vechile is so much better.

[Clubb'N]

I've currently got a dual 2.5'' x-force setup on my vz ss ute and prefer it much more then the 2.5'' manta system i had on my previous vy ss. Do admit the drone is worse with the x-force but overall sound outside of the vechile is so much better.

You rather better sound outside n more drone inside even though you cannot hear it outside :\
ooookay.

[SUX350]

i have a full x force 3 inch system in my ssv ute and sounds great with no drone in the cabin. but thats with a cam as well.
i think value for money there ok...

[iloveholden]

You are in Perth, so go see Don at Perth Exhaust Center...he will set you up with a nice 3" manta system....X-force is cheap and raspy doesnt sound like a real V8 :stick: plus the right manta system will be S/S so it'll last ages and it wont drone :D

[richierichhsv]

I've got a vyss2 auto with stepped headers 2.5" ss x-force with highflow cats, otr and mafless tune.There is no drone and i was very fussy about not getting a droney system.On idle its got a nice burble, when cruising its quiet but a noticeable v8 purr and foot to the floor its music to my ears:drool::drool::drool::drool: And there is NO raspy sound.I hate raspy sounding v8's

[BLACK 346]

In the process of changing my full system, future cam down the track so im going twin 3",

Now been reading mixed opinions about xforce..... read nothing about manta...

Any of you boys have a manta 3" twin system, paccies and hi flow cats.. or similar??? Or even just a manta system???

seems ppl are going xforce just because there cheaper.... BUT are they better?? like drone wise and performance vs sound

Whats your opinions of the 2,

I like it loud, but dont want it in the car. wonna keep the sound out the back.

Kevin

I have had numerous exhaust combos over the last few years, trying
to find the sound I like. The only one I can honestly say will not
intrude into the cabin is the Sureflo Single 3.5 in medium. They
still sound tough, but in a M6 with cam and mated to 1 3/4 paceys
with hi-flow cats had zero drone. I have since swapped to twin
3 inch x-force, and whilst the outside note is deeper and tougher imo,
it is definitely harder on the old lug holes inside the cab :)

[1BEAST2NV]

yeah, I heard from 2 ppl, one with TWIN 3" MANTA, mild steel, said he paid abit more for it but it doest drone in the cab, other with a twin 3" XFORCE, said it was abit louder than the manta, paid less for it, but suffers drone in the cab..... Both of these cars being Utes...

I presume drone in a ute would be different to drone in a sedan as the cabin is bigger and can echo more...

manta is about $950 cat back, fit myself
xforce is about $600 " " ,so i been told, fit my self

But been told the manta will last longer than the xforce in the long run,

Only manta exhaust I had was a single 3" on my vs 5ltr stato manual.. and the note was awesome and no drone, and still had that deep bark to it.

[ebbett21]

depends on what sort of note you're after ultimately, x-force are a very loud barky exhaust and i think they sound shit in my eyes. But many people like them.

Hear them in the flesh if possible as recordings never capture the sound properly

id suggest before u buy , try and listen first. Everyone has a different taste to what sounds good. I have a twin 3 xforce, 4>1 pacies and tonite got the missus to do a couple drive bys. Im not sure if a cam changes the tone or sound but without one a cam its real barky, not a great note, 3000 rpm its sounds ok but not awesome properly abit loud. Id prefer something bit more refined and deeper personally. Im thinking with a xforce they sound best with the full xforce , cats, exhaust and a cam otherwise 2.5''

[BLACK 346]

Im not sure if a cam changes the tone or sound

Rest assured, a decent sized cam changes everything. You will
not get a decent sounding LS1 with any exhaust combo without
a cam, that is a FACT :)

[ebbett21]

Rest assured, a decent sized cam changes everything. You will
not get a decent sounding LS1 with any exhaust combo without
a cam, that is a FACT :)

Im looking foward to the cam but the xforce seems to be getting louder with age i heard the silver vyss on soundfiles sounds sweet with a cam

[BLACK 346]

Im looking foward to the cam but the xforce seems to be getting louder with age i heard the silver vyss on soundfiles sounds sweet with a cam

The X-Force twin 3 with both mufflers and rear resi in place and
a 226/234 @ 110 cam is pretty damn loud imo. Sounds beefy though,
and everyone in the postcode knows you are on the move :)

[ebbett21]

The X-Force twin 3 with both mufflers and rear resi in place and
a 226/234 @ 110 cam is pretty damn loud imo. Sounds beefy though,
and everyone in the postcode knows you are on the move :)

That would be loud but proud be pretty hard trying to be stealthy i had a sureflo 3.5...one rear muffler only and it was amazingling quiet in the cab with a Howl its did sound meanoutside dropping down a gear and passing cyclists scaring the shit out of them. But the LS1 is hard getting a geat note like the 5 litre 304 engines

[BLACK 346]

That would be loud but proud be pretty hard trying to be stealthy i had a sureflo 3.5...one rear muffler only and it was amazingling quiet in the cab with a Howl its did sound meanoutside dropping down a gear and passing cyclists scaring the shit out of them. But the LS1 is hard getting a geat note like the 5 litre 304 engines

The old Holden motor sets a high bar for sound imo, particularly
a cammed 5 litre with a decent exhaust. I have heard and tried
just about every exhaust combo possible on mine, including headers,
and am happy with what I have arrived at. The only other exhaust
that I have heard that I like is the twin 3 inch DF on a cammed car.

[Slippio]

I've just fitted a Manta 2.5" SS system on a WM Caprice,great quality,easy to fit myself,nice note @ idle and sounds great WOT. and best of all NO Drone................:)

[ebbett21]

The old Holden motor sets a high bar for sound imo, particularly
a cammed 5 litre with a decent exhaust. I have heard and tried
just about every exhaust combo possible on mine, including headers,
and am happy with what I have arrived at. The only other exhaust
that I have heard that I like is the twin 3 inch DF on a cammed car.

Dead rite there, i sometimes wonder why i sold my old VS Clubby it may not have been as fast as the LS1 or what ive got now but sounded sensational.

I have heard a VZ SS cammed it sounded that good i managed to find out who the owner was and said had 4>1 pacies, Diffillipo 3''. So many combos out there your rite a cam changes the note


Found this on you tube wonder what system this is??
YouTube - 2qic4u (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fImOoC3kVVg)

[nikola]

i have a full x force 3 inch system in my ssv ute and sounds great with no drone in the cabin. but thats with a cam as well.
i think value for money there ok...

Same here. But, from what I gather, the x-force exhausts are good for the VE but not so good on the VT-VY models.

[BLACK 346]

Same here. But, from what I gather, the x-force exhausts are good for the VE but not so good on the VT-VY models.

And what brought you to this conclusion old mate? Wont hold
my breath waiting for your explanation :rofl:

[nikola]

And what brought you to this conclusion old mate? Wont hold
my breath waiting for your explanation :rofl:

Well, I never hear complaints about drone on the VE (and I don't have drone either) but I do about previous models with the x-force.

What's your problem anyway?

[SV346]

xforce are cheap made in china crap really. sorry to upset the fan boys but yeah i've seen some photos of xforce stuff posted on this forums after only 12months of use it doesn't last. all xforce stuff has very low quality control.

Same for my difilippo system, the welds decided to go elsewhere and fall off and this was after 6 months...


yeah, I heard from 2 ppl, one with TWIN 3" MANTA, mild steel, said he paid abit more for it but it doest drone in the cab, other with a twin 3" XFORCE, said it was abit louder than the manta, paid less for it, but suffers drone in the cab..... Both of these cars being Utes...

I presume drone in a ute would be different to drone in a sedan as the cabin is bigger and can echo more...

manta is about $950 cat back, fit myself
xforce is about $600 " " ,so i been told, fit my self

But been told the manta will last longer than the xforce in the long run,

Only manta exhaust I had was a single 3" on my vs 5ltr stato manual.. and the note was awesome and no drone, and still had that deep bark to it.


Sounds like youve made up your mind :) people who have manta exhausts on here seem to love them, so if i was choosing id probably go for it.

[BLACK 346]

Well, I never hear complaints about drone on the VE (and I don't have drone either) but I do about previous models with the x-force.

What's your problem anyway?

No problem, the way your post was worded sounded like you were
saying that X-Force are no good for pre VE, but I assume you
meant drone wise? All good :)

[Highway]

Anyone know where the Manta Systems come from overseas and who makes them ?

[mjf4one9]

im running x force twin three inch stainless had it done before cam swap and no drone at all and good all the way through the rev range and better with the cam swap...would have gone d/f if i had the extra cash but who wouldnt

[BEARWOOD]

I read on here the other day that some of the Manta's have different muffler combo's and therefor will have different sounds. This may have been earlier on in the VE years but they may still be sitting on shelves somewhere so just check this out before buying one.
From what i have heard i like the Manta more and would never buy a XForce.

[Dawdle]

Anyone know where the Manta Systems come from overseas and who makes them ?

pretty sure that the manta systems are made in WA. looking at putting some manta products on the monaro too. sisters boyfriend has a SV8 with a manta catback and sounds pretty alright i reckon

[RED R8]

Manta's are made in WA is Xforce is a good cheap and cheerfull system with bolt on mods but if your going the cam route it will sound like a cray boat. I have had Xforce on this car then went to Manta and would say its like comparing Jennifer Hawkins to Amanda Vanstone ...The Manta sounds ten times better ,is ten times better built has no drone compared to lots of drone with the Xforce. The manta also made the car drive heaps smoother and quieter inside because the Xforce is thinner steel and vibrates (resinates) through the car. I have had just a few cat backs in my time and the Manta is the only one that still impresses me and hasn't left me "wanting a change".

[toey]

i had an x force twin 3" cat back on a vy manual and it had a very slight drone under load in 6th.

after fitting paccies and cats it all gone and sounded sweet as to me.

have had cat back for 2 years now and it seems like the mufflers are on the way out as the note has changed for the worse above 3000rpm, kinda sounds like a truck now :(

would buy x force again for the sound, but for anyone interested they are LOUD with extractor and cats when the revs go north of 3000rpm but under it you can poke around fairly quietly

[TimmyG]

Im liking the comments towards manta systems but i haven't heard many. I am thinking about getting one for my ve in the next few months. Any idea on price for the stainless 2 1/2' for ve?

Cheers
Tim

[Fast_fj]

Check a brand called spintech, i think they have a good note, youtube it for a vid. Its true it will never sound as tuff as a 5L no matter what you use.

[VFast]

Anybody with a Manta system fitted to a VT-VZ V8 that can share their experiences?

I was initially put off many years ago when the Manta system for a VS came with press-bent pipes. Seems that they are producing good systems these days though.

[iloveholden]

Anybody with a Manta system fitted to a VT-VZ V8 that can share their experiences?

I was initially put off many years ago when the Manta system for a VS came with press-bent pipes. Seems that they are producing good systems these days though.

Yeah we have a twin 2.5" S/S Manta catback on our MY06 SS....build quality is great but its the sound...deep and throaty yet no drone or excessive noise inside the cabin.

[VFast]

Yeah we have a twin 2.5" S/S Manta catback on our MY06 SS....build quality is great but its the sound...deep and throaty yet no drone or excessive noise inside the cabin.
Thanks for the reply ILH.

What headers and cats have you got fitted to this?

[lyle]

Manta Performance Exhaust, Cunderdin WA, this is a piss ant little farming town couple hours east of perth in the wheatbelt, 08 9635 1186, dont htink they have a website:goodjob:

[jaykay]

I have a cammed VE SSV, pod filter, manual with Pacemaker 1 3/4 4 into 1's, Manta hi flow cats and Manta 3" stainless catback (NO DRONE) in Perth if anyone wants to listen.

PM me.

JK :)

[iloveholden]

Thanks for the reply ILH.

What headers and cats have you got fitted to this?

Stock headers and cats mate.....i can imagine with some pacemaker headers and manta cats it'll sound sweeter than it does now....not to mention a bigger cam :D

[Frustr8dR8]

Like everyone has said Manta Systems are tad more pricey but give a great deep note.

Had a twin 3" on my VY SV8 and was very happy, had a slight drone but i had stock headers and cats, have now got twin 2.5" behind 1 3/4 Pacies and it sounds great very barky growl.

Unfortunatelly had to buy tail ends the exhaust because having just tail pipe is too loud, got Yellow Lickered and blew 6 decibells over, so went got muffeled tail pipes hope that it works. But prob gonna lose some bark.

DAM Yellow Stickers....:bawl::bawl::bawl:

[cuttercv8z]

Like everyone has said Manta Systems are tad more pricey but give a great deep note.

Had a twin 3" on my VY SV8 and was very happy, had a slight drone but i had stock headers and cats, have now got twin 2.5" behind 1 3/4 Pacies and it sounds great very barky growl.

Unfortunatelly had to buy tail ends the exhaust because having just tail pipe is too loud, got Yellow Lickered and blew 6 decibells over, so went got muffeled tail pipes hope that it works. But prob gonna lose some bark.

DAM Yellow Stickers....:bawl::bawl::bawl:

you had no problem gettin yellow licky off then.

[Frustr8dR8]

Hope not, the stickers on my maloo, Brought new manta tail pipes with mufflers fitted an even behind the pacies its near on as quiet as a stock system.

It should pass the decibell test now, good thing is i can just switch between tail pipes, if i want it loud only takes 5 minutes to swap'em over.

Yellow Licky comes off tuesday

[Frustr8dR8]

Luck has it that i passed, thank god.

Yellow Lickers finally off whooohoooh!!!:woohoo:

[VYCLUBBYR8]

I have a cammed vy clubsport with di-flippo extractors 4-1,magnaflow 3 inch hi flow cats and twin 3 inch xforce exhaust mild steel really happy with it sounds really tuff and when giving it WOT. Alot friends and even people come up to me at car park that i dont know that listen to it say thats the best exhaust they have heard on a V8.Sorry to say xforce fan all the way :bow:, i changed from di-flippo 2.5 exhaust system

[Roonstain]

I have a twin 2.5inch Manta Catback on my VE SSV wagon - auto

As a catback only i loved it
Loved it even more with 1 7/8ths headers and 200cpi cats added

And now with a 224/228@112 cam added too, it sounds awesome - is really a great exhaust IMHO

[Lorne Mauer]

I've got a 2.5" manta on a VE ute with 1,3/4" HM headers and 200cpsi cats. Manta have supplied me with a loud version with no centre muffler and no hot dogs, just the a big pair of rear mufflers....I wanted a quieter version. its loud on the outside and a bit farty. lots of pop and crackle, but has the beep bass note that manta is known for. I really wanted a bit more refinement. On the inside it sounds very tough but I'll gladly trade some internal note to make it less of a cop magnet to the outside world....you can hear it coming from a suburb away if you aren't careful with the throttle. Criusing is spot on, no probs there, nice note and no drone whatsoever, even at 80kms in 6th. So a bit of a mixed result for me so far. Hopefully Manta will sort me out with the right bits....the first system I received was for a sedan...whoops. number 2 I was assured would be fine....its not quite fine. Still a work in progress.

cheers, LM.

[simon.w]

I'm running full stainless X-Force 4 into 1 extractors, high flow cats, 3" system and Varex Mufflers.

Sounded tuff but too loud and droaning with with X-Force mufflers.

The Varex sound quieter on half setting, very quiet on closed (when I leave for work very early in the morning or when the boys in blue are next to me) or LOUD on fully open for the drags or dyno comps.

This is on a car with 231/237 @113 cam, OTR etc ... so naturally loud and lumpy.

I have heard people say that the Varex sounds ordinary ... however on a VE running 2 mufflers, I have to say I am very pleased.

I also challenge those who have said the quality is not there... my system has been on for a few months and is good quality with good welds and materials. Maybe the mild steel versions or e-bay specials aren't the same????

[vr5speedv6]

Do the Manta systems run a H or an X pipe ?

[themissus]

Do the Manta systems run a H or an X pipe ?

The manta has a H pipe

Cheers Kim.

[vr5speedv6]

The manta has a H pipe

Cheers Kim.

That explains why they sound good:)

[Roonstain]

The manta has a H pipe

Cheers Kim.
Yep, manta has an H pipe - just like the Walkinshaw catback and HM Perry Catback.

[Blakrok]

Whats the approx price for a 2.5" Manta cat-back for a SSV Ute?

[sv82fitty]

reading your reply about the x-force exhaust, i have just put a walkinshaw 3" on mine and the drone is unbearable, any clues on what i can maybe add to it to eliminate?

[cashie]

Whats the approx price for a 2.5" Manta cat-back for a SSV Ute?

I had quotes around $750 fitted for a mild steel system..
Edit--> sorry that was for a VZ.

[hurricane]

Hi 1Beast2nv, i have a twin turbo 09 R8 HSV and have just fitted the twin 3in Manta system. I have picked up about 25rwk and 250nm of torque on the Hsv system . Only my opinion it has a fantastic note not too loud with a sort of super car sound, makes the car really get up and go in the lower gears. Had my fitted at Martins from LS1 Edit at gillman here in S.A. Its a work of art how they have made this system and fits perfect, bolted up in about 1/2hr , all i can say its perfect for me i would highly recommend them, also add not cheap but if you want quality you got to pay. This is a s/s system from turbos back.Cheers Ian.

[t33d3]

I recently got an xforce twin 3 system, 1 3/4 pacemakers and cats installed on my cammed vy r8 and i am absolutely wrapped with it.
its really loud on idle and the bark at wot is crazy! and absolutely no drone whatsoever.
i would recommend this setup to anyone

[Wonky]

I know of several people with 12 - 18 month old XForce systems on VE utes and they're no longer happy. Note seems to be changing for the worse - mufflers breaking down??? Particularly on 3" with cams.

[1BEAST2NV]

I got the twin 3" m/s manta fitted to my VE R8 clubby afew weeks ago, nice and QUIET in the car and nice note out the back , sounds awesome when its opened up :D

and yes, its is pricey, but you get what you pay for.... And "manta" is worth it.

[BTS666.0]

hey bud, i have a 6 litre vz ss, with standard headers, twin 3 inch metallic cats, twin 3 inch xforce system. the engine pipes are 2.5 inch into the cats. the engine is cammed, etc. it is very loud on the outside, and imo sounds frikkin awesome. drones a bit at about 60km and 100km, but as its my second car, i dont care. never even heard of manta, so no opinion on them. the xforce system seems ok. ur local exhaust guy should be able to do u a custom system for around the same $$$$$$ as an off the shelf anyways. good luck with whatever u get, and if u dont like it, ebay the frikkin thing and get another :)

[BTS666.0]

reading your reply about the x-force exhaust, i have just put a walkinshaw 3" on mine and the drone is unbearable, any clues on what i can maybe add to it to eliminate?

turbos, the take a bit of noise away. and if it doesnt work, u should be able to outrun the noise:)

[iloveholden]

reading your reply about the x-force exhaust, i have just put a walkinshaw 3" on mine and the drone is unbearable, any clues on what i can maybe add to it to eliminate?

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