XR6 Turbo cheap power

[BLACK 346]

I know the XR6 Turbo's have a rep for being cheap to get
good power out of, but one of my workmates comes in today
with a Dyno Dynamics dyno sheet reading 270rwkw. Now you
might say, so what. But all this power up cost him was just
shy of $800 for a flash tuner. The car is bog stock apart from
this gizmo. The before reading was around 218rwkw. I thought
they needed injectors and a few other bits to achieve this?
Needless to say, he is one happy camper.

[Martin_D]

He is also on the very very limit of his injectors.....and valve springs....and so it goes on :)

[sld86]

when i use to have a ba xr6t i looked into mods. was told injectors were a must same as valve springs-get these done before you even think about exhuasts,big boost,intake. the stock cooler is efficient for about 450-500hp

[Peter B - CV8]

Excellent power result, but he wouldn't want to push it to redline too often without some further upgrades (injectors & valve springs as mentioned).
Tell your mate to keep an eye (& spanner) on his inlet manifold & turbo mount bolts - these have a nasty habit of undoing . There is also an inline oil filter for the turbo feed that tends to get gummed up....
Great result for minimal $$$$

[zeeute]

Not to bad for a bog stock XR6T!

[SV346]

Thats terrific, if i was him id go the hog and get injectors, exhaust and what not :)

[Big_Valven]

"Hmm, boost pressure, I wonder what would happen if I turned that up?"
It's easy on a turbo car.

Let us know how he's going in a years' time when his engine is worn out or something fails prematurely.

[bush_basha]

is this the new xr6's the FG's or the ba/bf?

[BLACK 346]

It is a BF.

[bush_basha]

wow thats some pretty damn cheap power, but as others have said how reliable is it gonna be in a few months time, how much boost are they putting into it?

[El Narros]

great power but they sound terrible. and they look like a taxi.

[cashie]

This was my BF XR6 Turbo with just a tune (red was the CAPA mail order tune)...
As Martin said, injectors were on the limit and valve springs were probably past there limit.
I found after the tune that the ZF lost all it's refinement and the car wasn't as enjoyable as I hoped...

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd309/cashie5/DynoAFRatioA.jpg

[Tecca]

Very impressive power for the cash. Like others have said tho how long will his stock internal engine last on such high output before something gives way? might aswel go and spend the extra coin for extra insurance. Still very impressive gain for 800$:bow:

[cashie]

great power but they sound terrible. and they look like a taxi.

Part of what I didn't like, the taxi external look.... :confused:

[Moods]

You'll find for that sort of power he will be around 14 psi. So not that high. And Bf's had the Typhoon bottom ends, stronger rods and pistons. It will last longer than whacking a 10 pound blower setup on an lsx motor found in a commodore. Great bang for buck but just remember it isn't tune only, the boost is upped. Big cooler, injectors, v/springs, fuel pump, intake, dump, cat and exhaust will take it in excess of 350. Wish it was that easy for me.

[GTS_215]

my mate got a front mount, injectors, exhaust and a tune and made 300rwkw. a week later his auto blew and once that was fixed it broke valve springs.....its off the road atm. its a BA

[JimmyXR6T04]

As mentioned the BFs are stronger and shouldn't have a problem with this power level. I'd be putting in some injectors to be safe though. For an extra $1200 he could get injectors, fuel pump and hi flow cat.. should see 300rwkw for an outlay of $1800... Next would be an intercooler, maybe valve springs depending how it's driven..

Good bang for buck.. As for the comments on how long the engine will last with increased boost etc, it should be fine (all depends on how it's driven).. however, i doubt most people buying these cars would keep them so long as to need to worry about possible engine problems 150,000kms down the track or what not..

[nang3]

"Hmm, boost pressure, I wonder what would happen if I turned that up?"
It's easy on a turbo car.

Let us know how he's going in a years' time when his engine is worn out or something fails prematurely.

assuming the tune is done correctly and the injectors etc dont fail i dont see why it wont last another 200,000kms ??? plenty of turbo fords with more than this running around reliable as a stocker.... provided the tuning is done right of course!


my mate got a front mount, injectors, exhaust and a tune and made 300rwkw. a week later his auto blew and once that was fixed it broke valve springs.....its off the road atm. its a BA

BA auto boxes are renowned for being total shit that cant handle SFA power.. a BF with ZF would hold 350rwkw easy as with those mods

[zorro]

A mate of mine is doing this with his BA MkII, 3.5" exhaust & ballistic 100cpi cat.

The list of parts we have bought so far on instruction are F6 airbox, F6 FMIC, Injectors, Fuel Pump, Valve Springs and the tuner. Also before this is all going in a 2700 converter will be installed and gearbox to be strengthened.

Pretty much all I have been able to do so far is the fuel pump and airbox, Im not any expert on these things but have been told that changing cooler along with the hi-flow cat before tune can cause the things to overboost.....

Its been dynoed stock 266rwhp, after the above mods apparently good for 400 odd rwhp.

[boyley]

it might say 271 but I aint seen one at the track yet run under 13 sec's:confused:

[sld86]

i seen a standard bottom end xr6t equipped with a t51 run into 9's last friday. best thing is its a daily driver to.pulled a 1.4sec 60ft.

YouTube - Dave Sheehy CPV 9.941 @ 137.41mph Collage (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXKs6rDMlRI)

not to shabby for a little country track

[KPWISHN]

it might say 271 but I aint seen one at the track yet run under 13 sec's:confused:

I raced next to a supposed 600rwkw one and it ran a mid 11 at similar MPH to myself and I had over 200rwkw less. Says a lot IMO.

[zorro]

I ran a XR6 ute out at willowbank a few months back in Pauls Calais. The ute had MASSIVE turbo, Nizpro plenum, big cooler etc etc.... They were icing the pipes and cooler before the run and had some boost pushing into it. Fair enough it was a M5 but was struggling to get anything better than an 11.3, good top end in it nonetheless running close to 130mph.

2 down at the nats were running 9s, one even having a full leather interior. although both from memory had trick live axle rear ends in them.

[SimoVXSS]

I raced next to a supposed 600rwkw one and it ran a mid 11 at similar MPH to myself and I had over 200rwkw less. Says a lot IMO.

All to do with the setup. You can have 1000hp but if you dont have the equipment to get the power on the ground its a waste. have seen a few cars with big power numbers not be able to achieve good times. Its about the whole package, not just kw's.

The BF Mk2 is basically a detuned F6, as Ford stopped producing xr6t motors start of 2007, so all xr6t after june 07 have the typhoon setup. once flashed it basically becomes the same as the typhoon, drivetrain wise. Easy power and as reliable as any worked car, as long as its done properly and well maintained.

[boyley]

2 down at the nats were running 9s, one even having a full leather interior. although both from memory had trick live axle rear ends in them.

Ash were they the ones that came on a trailer and left early on the same trailer:rofl:

[KPWISHN]

Trailer or not they are very impressive. I wouldn't be risking driving one on the street either.

Setup is blown way out of proportion for drag racing. Rear tyre grip is the main thing that matters IMO. The car I lined up had 275ish ET Streets. I would have expected 140+mph aswell, not 125-128.

[crtx]

ford xr6t's cheap power but unreliable haven't seen a ford yet that has held together even the F6's BF they are good for 350-380rwkw wouldn't want to be pushing any more iv seen two forged motors blow up so far....
and about 10 tranny's on diff people's cars.

[zorro]

fella my mates with off the xr6T forums lunched his F6 last week... rod scratched a nice painting into the bore..

All things aside if I went for another large car, keeping price and bang for buck in mind Id probably have one. My last company car BF falcon lasted 3yrs without the interior falling apart and only major issue was the front end bushes needed replacing due to my line of work being on worksites and not the best roads.

[BLK6T]

The BF has a stronger motor over the BA which as a result the tuners can get better power out of them. The FG's are even better again especially the F6's as I believe a few members on here have experienced.

My BAMk2 XR6T 6sp man started with 201 rwkw and went to 278 rwkw with tune and injectors very easily. Only restrictions now are intercooler and dump pipe. Cost was only $1800 with 3 custom tunes.

[hutchzvu8]

with the BF model (sedan)
which a customer of mine ownes pulled nearly 300kw at the rear with tune only. I wouldnt believe it until he brought the dyno sheet in to show me. Still skeptical about about the dyno it was run on also it was a warm day nearly 30 degres.

He also told me you can store 2 tunings (stock and performance) on the computer which can easily swaped between.

Can anyone share light on this?

[JimmyXR6T04]

with the BF model (sedan)
which a customer of mine ownes pulled nearly 300kw at the rear with tune only. I wouldnt believe it until he brought the dyno sheet in to show me. Still skeptical about about the dyno it was run on also it was a warm day nearly 30 degres.

He also told me you can store 2 tunings (stock and performance) on the computer which can easily swaped between.

Can anyone share light on this?

it could go near 300kw depending on dyno, injectors would be right on the edge... i wouldn't push it that far on stock injectors.. he is correct about the flash tune box, you can store 3 tunes on the box. I used to have a 98ron full performance tune, a 95ron incase i couldn't get 98, and a valet tune (wouldn't rev past 3000rpm). it also holds the stock tune so that you can return the car to stock tune settings (provided you haven't changed injectors etc).

edit: time for swapping between tunes is a few minutes (2-5mins i guess)

[BlownLS7]

YES ROB BOTH THOSE 2 FORDS ON THE TRAILORS RAN 9,S
DAM FAST BOTH OF THEM

CHEERS PAUL


Ash were they the ones that came on a trailer and left early on the same trailer:rofl:

[boyley]

YES ROB BOTH THOSE 2 FORDS ON THE TRAILORS RAN 9,S
DAM FAST BOTH OF THEM

CHEERS PAUL

hey Paul, manifolds delayed til novemeber

[BLACK 346]

with the BF model (sedan)
which a customer of mine ownes pulled nearly 300kw at the rear with tune only. I wouldnt believe it until he brought the dyno sheet in to show me. Still skeptical about about the dyno it was run on also it was a warm day nearly 30 degres.

He also told me you can store 2 tunings (stock and performance) on the computer which can easily swaped between.

Can anyone share light on this?

The one my mate got has 4 tunes apparently, I know one is the stock,
one the tuned and one is Valet, not sure about the other.
Forgot to mention, this car ran the 270 on 91 ron fuel as well.

[Moods]

it might say 271 but I aint seen one at the track yet run under 13 sec's:confused:

Have a look over in Perth mate. There's always 12 sec street tyred T's at the strip.

[F6Mauz]

with the BF model (sedan)
which a customer of mine ownes pulled nearly 300kw at the rear with tune only. I wouldnt believe it until he brought the dyno sheet in to show me. Still skeptical about about the dyno it was run on also it was a warm day nearly 30 degres.

He also told me you can store 2 tunings (stock and performance) on the computer which can easily swaped between.

Can anyone share light on this?

Impossible with standard injectors.
The flash box holds the original tune and 3 custom tunes of your choosing. ie; peak performance, low boost and valet. Takes about 60 seconds to load a new tune.

[nang3]

I ran a XR6 ute out at willowbank a few months back in Pauls Calais. The ute had MASSIVE turbo, Nizpro plenum, big cooler etc etc.... They were icing the pipes and cooler before the run and had some boost pushing into it. Fair enough it was a M5 but was struggling to get anything better than an 11.3, good top end in it nonetheless running close to 130mph.

2 down at the nats were running 9s, one even having a full leather interior. although both from memory had trick live axle rear ends in them.

M5 ?? as in the 5 speed manual gearbox?? If so i highly doubt it had much power at all as they are a hand grenade with anything over about 280rwkw IIRC..

[zorro]

was an early BA so unless it had a swap yes it was a 5 speed

[vecommo]

Yep, XR6T's are cheap to get power out of, but I strongly believe in the saying "You get what you pay for". A couple of months later when you are picking up pistons and other various driveline parts up from the road, that "cheap power" suddenly turns into a bottomless money pit. Give me a V8 any day.

[cashie]

Yep, XR6T's are cheap to get power out of, but I strongly believe in the saying "You get what you pay for". A couple of months later when you are picking up pistons and other various driveline parts up from the road, that "cheap power" suddenly turns into a bottomless money pit. Give me a V8 any day.

The XR6T has been around since 03 (6 years), I don't think too many guys have had their pride and joy throw a piston "a couple of months later" in all that time. Maybe a few M5 gearboxs on the early BAs though....
Look at the work being done by Martin and others on bolting turbo/s onto LS based engines, I don't hear of too many of these letting go chunks of steels either.... :confused:

[VXSS346]

Yep, XR6T's are cheap to get power out of, but I strongly believe in the saying "You get what you pay for". A couple of months later when you are picking up pistons and other various driveline parts up from the road, that "cheap power" suddenly turns into a bottomless money pit. Give me a V8 any day.

So you've seen this happen have you? And you know for sure it happens all the time in modded XR6T's? Can you provide any proof of this?

Or is this just another typical 'vecommo' post?

:popcorn:

Cheers :)

[vecommo]

The XR6T has been around since 03 (6 years), I don't think too many guys have had their pride and joy throw a piston "a couple of months later" in all that time.
How about 6 days later...
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpost.php?p=2588676&postcount=542


So you've seen this happen have you? And you know for sure it happens all the time in modded XR6T's? Can you provide any proof of this?

I have seen a number of examples with disintegrated engines with my own eyes and I have also heard of many others.

[cashie]

How about 6 days later...
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpost.php?p=2588676&postcount=542



I have seen a number of examples with disintegrated engines with my own eyes and I have also heard of many others.

The example you give above is for an unmodified G6ET... he actually quotes in this (http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpost.php?p=2647756&postcount=713) post that it was 5 days... :)

Lets look at numbers of XR6Ts, number sensibly modified and the number of engine failures, I would hazard a guess that the number is not overly different to your V8s (modified LS series or Boss).....

I've seen a few LS engines with failures and also seen a few boss engines as well........ I can't see your argument that a modified V8 is better or safer than a modified I6 Turbo.

[310gen]

Ash were they the ones that came on a trailer and left early on the same trailer:rofl:

Both of those BA's stayed right until the end, and both are the fastest xr6t's in the country recording times of 9.3 and 9.4 full weight at the nats. So I don't know what cars you are talking about.

[TODOOR]

BF's after 06/06 don't need valve springs as they are stiffer, same with conrods and pistons. those components are the same as they come from typhoon motors.

i know because i have one and whoever said they need stiffer springs is clueless.

BA 's are a another story, conrods have been known to bend and valve springs are too soft, and the 4 speed auto is weak as.

injectors, fuel pump, intercooler, waste gate actuator mod, high flow cat and custom tune will easily get ya to 270kw in a BF.

seems to me the holden fellas know more about the XR6T's than people who reckon they have one!

Thumbs up for knowing the enemy.

[pah]

BF's after 06/06 don't need valve springs as they are stiffer, same with conrods and pistons. those components are the same as they come from typhoon motors.

i know because i have one and whoever said they need stiffer springs is clueless.

BA 's are a another story, conrods have been known to bend and valve springs are too soft, and the 4 speed auto is weak as.

Thumbs up for knowing the enemy.

Hi TODOOR,

Thanks for your input. I sold my 2003 SV8 earlier this year and bought an FG XR6T at a good price. I've always been a fan of turbo power. The FG is a tad more economical than the SV8. I don't like the look of the VE.

The standard FG XR6T cracks hard. But when is the existing power ever enough . . . and who's ever met a kilowatt they didn't like?

What's this ENEMY caper mate? As far as I can see, the enemy are the control freaks who create mobile road blocks in the right lane (parallel with a truck), pig ignorant boofs in 4WD's on mobile phones and (again) blocking the right lane, and all of the little finger wavers. I don't want to impress the brain dead prats - it's enough to pass them and get well away from them.

I'd far prefer to share the road with another enthusiast (SS, XR or WRX driver etc) that has half an ounce of intelligence when it comes to traffic flow and consideration for other road users.



PAH

[The_Plague]

I've seen a few LS engines with failures and also seen a few boss engines as well........ I can't see your argument that a modified V8 is better or safer than a modified I6 Turbo.

You play, you pay, its a simple equation, try to punch power into anything over a long enough period and it ****s up.
Its when we "try" more and more and more and combine this with an unrelenting unmerciful driving style that hastens it even further.

I haven't seen this equation proven correct it with my "own eyes" but I am quiet sure I just seen it with my own wallet :rofl:

[zorro]

Both of those BA's stayed right until the end, and both are the fastest xr6t's in the country recording times of 9.3 and 9.4 full weight at the nats. So I don't know what cars you are talking about.

I think what Rob was saying is on the Saturday from memory both got put on trailers and returned early sunday morning.

I am impressed with the times they did and like I said earlier with full interior etc. When did the IRS reach its limits and warranted the live axle setup?

[TODOOR]

enemy in terms of rivalry.

i personally love both, I even like some jap and euro cars.

did you the FG Turbo is smaller than the BA/F?

[SHANESVZSS]

im a big fan of xr6t's , very stealth and quiet! always cautious of them when one rocks up at the lights..

[nang3]

Yep, XR6T's are cheap to get power out of, but I strongly believe in the saying "You get what you pay for". A couple of months later when you are picking up pistons and other various driveline parts up from the road, that "cheap power" suddenly turns into a bottomless money pit. Give me a V8 any day.

Epic facepalm @ another cyclops post !!


you make it sound like every turbo ford thats had a tune is a hand grenade.. I know of many worked turbos that have done plenty of km's over 3/4/5 years with no troubles apart from excessive tyre wear


BF's after 06/06 don't need valve springs as they are stiffer, same with conrods and pistons. those components are the same as they come from typhoon motors.

i know because i have one and whoever said they need stiffer springs is clueless.

BA 's are a another story, conrods have been known to bend and valve springs are too soft, and the 4 speed auto is weak as.

injectors, fuel pump, intercooler, waste gate actuator mod, high flow cat and custom tune will easily get ya to 270kw in a BF.

seems to me the holden fellas know more about the XR6T's than people who reckon they have one!

Thumbs up for knowing the enemy.

a good mate of mine has a BF XR6T manual, not sure if its BF II or I but he has done $400 injectors, cheap $900 intercooler and a custom tune and NOTHING ELSE and is hitting 291rwkw... detuned to preserve his stock clutch as well. This thing runs exactly like standard but better fuel economy until you put the boot in.


enemy in terms of rivalry.

i personally love both, I even like some jap and euro cars.

did you the FG Turbo is smaller than the BA/F?

same !! any car that is fast/powerful and not pink i would probably.. i dont give a fark what badge is on it whatsoever and i still dont see why some dudes are so caught up in a brand name...
each to their own i guess!!

the compressor wheel is whats different in the FG XR6T compared to the FG F6 IIRC.. i think the smaller wheel was used to remove any slight lag that may be present - after driving a G6ET i can see why it was used, fantastic car to drive and a real animal. I would swap my F6 for one anyday i think.

[Big_Valven]

Hi TODOOR,
As far as I can see, the enemy are the control freaks who create mobile road blocks in the right lane (parallel with a truck), pig ignorant boofs in 4WD's on mobile phones and (again) blocking the right lane, and all of the little finger wavers. I don't want to impress the brain dead prats - it's enough to pass them and get well away from them.

I'd far prefer to share the road with another enthusiast (SS, XR or WRX driver etc) that has half an ounce of intelligence when it comes to traffic flow and consideration for other road users.

SPOT ON, PAH. Most valuable rant of the year :goodjob:

Keep in mind though that WRX drivers don't usually come with the obligatory half-ounce of intelligence though - the rest are ok :smilesandbanana:

[TODOOR]

funny one should mention it, was driving today and this 4wd veers into my lane (head on) and ya wouldn't believe it, there is the whore with a mobile phone to her ear.

looks like when they aint spreadin the legin, the bimbos are out in full force blowin dosh and nearly killing other road users.

dont these slags have a job FFS!

i got enough love for any ride that looks and goes good, forget the tossers behind the wheel

[KPWISHN]

so ANGRY!!!!!! :rofl:

[nang3]

SPOT ON, PAH. Most valuable rant of the year :goodjob:

Keep in mind though that WRX drivers don't usually come with the obligatory half-ounce of intelligence though - the rest are ok :smilesandbanana:

oi we've got a WRX in the garage.. well its my missus's and she's a medical scientist so must have some intelligence !!! although her choice in partner leaves me thinking otherwise hahaha :rofl:


Hi TODOOR,

Thanks for your input. I sold my 2003 SV8 earlier this year and bought an FG XR6T at a good price. I've always been a fan of turbo power. The FG is a tad more economical than the SV8. I don't like the look of the VE.

The standard FG XR6T cracks hard. But when is the existing power ever enough . . . and who's ever met a kilowatt they didn't like?

What's this ENEMY caper mate? As far as I can see, the enemy are the control freaks who create mobile road blocks in the right lane (parallel with a truck), pig ignorant boofs in 4WD's on mobile phones and (again) blocking the right lane, and all of the little finger wavers. I don't want to impress the brain dead prats - it's enough to pass them and get well away from them.

I'd far prefer to share the road with another enthusiast (SS, XR or WRX driver etc) that has half an ounce of intelligence when it comes to traffic flow and consideration for other road users.

PAH

your enemy roundup is pretty accurate - also add the road safety/nazi brigade and any total f*cking moron who believes the hoon propaganda

[troytroy]

same !! any car that is fast/powerful and not pink i would probably.. i dont give a fark what badge is on it whatsoever and i still dont see why some dudes are so caught up in a brand name...
each to their own i guess!!.

Concur. I'd have an EVo,STi, XR6T, FPV anyday...except i'd have to buy an FG F6 to ensure I didn't go backwards in terms of luxury, size, brakes, performance.....and that would be expensive...

[Excellent]

Epic facepalm @ another cyclops post !!


you make it sound like every turbo ford thats had a tune is a hand grenade.. I know of many worked turbos that have done plenty of km's over 3/4/5 years with no troubles apart from excessive tyre wear



I don't understand why you endeavour on changing vecommo's religion and I don't know why you always spray your religion to V8 fans? It's getting a bit tiring, isn't it? I thought you were here because you liked V8s. Am I missing something?

PS Just ignore vecommo. Not hard.

[310gen]

[QUOTE=. When did the IRS reach its limits and warranted the live axle setup?[/QUOTE]

They both were breaking drive shafts when they started running high 9's. So they decided to go with sean mullins 4link 9" rear end(non-tubbed) set-ups which also are street driven flat out. Alot of guys who go out to Prinny hwy on Friday nights would have seen the purple BA of Carmine (9.4) out there every Friday night.

[sh|tbmxrider]

Yep, XR6T's are cheap to get power out of, but I strongly believe in the saying "You get what you pay for". A couple of months later when you are picking up pistons and other various driveline parts up from the road, that "cheap power" suddenly turns into a bottomless money pit. Give me a V8 any day.



How about 6 days later...
http://www.fordforums.com.au/showpost.php?p=2588676&postcount=542



I have seen a number of examples with disintegrated engines with my own eyes and I have also heard of many others.


http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/thumb/1/1d/Bill_Nye_Expert.jpg/200px-Bill_Nye_Expert.jpg

Go you good (if reeealy predictable) thing!

[zorro]

They both were breaking drive shafts when they started running high 9's. So they decided to go with sean mullins 4link 9" rear end(non-tubbed) set-ups which also are street driven flat out. Alot of guys who go out to Prinny hwy on Friday nights would have seen the purple BA of Carmine (9.4) out there every Friday night.

Cheers for the info mate, both were bloody quick and appeared to do good straight comfortable runs. :goodjob:

[TODOOR]

i seen that ride around too

[nang3]

I don't understand why you endeavour on changing vecommo's religion and I don't know why you always spray your religion to V8 fans? It's getting a bit tiring, isn't it? I thought you were here because you liked V8s. Am I missing something?

PS Just ignore vecommo. Not hard.


Spray my religion??? all i do is attempt to add an opposite (i.e. levelheaded nonfanboy) comment to his one eyed "its got a ford badge so must automatically be a shitbox" comments..

I am on this forum because i like performance cars and this site is dedicated to the Holden and HSV range of performance products of which my GF has one (09 VE) and is a direct competitor to the product i drive. Same reason im on antilag/Boost/NissanSUV/350z/WRX/Perth4x4 forums and Home theatre and Tech forums - its stuff im interested in.

but you are right, i shouldnt feed the cyclops really and just ignore him.. its just his comments are friggen funny

[LS1_888]

it might say 271 but I aint seen one at the track yet run under 13 sec's:confused:

Dont know which cars ur talking about.?

I had a BA 4 speed auto with 282rwkw full built manual box, 3800rpm TCE converter, valve springs, injectors, 910 fuel pump pwr upgraded intercooler, 14psi and did a best of 11.66 @ 117mph with a 1.61 60" ohh and full exhaust as well... Mickey thompson ET Radial tyres. About $4000 worth of mods for mid 11's :):) 14psi of boost off the footbrake hehe ...

car ran a best of 12.3 @ 115mph with the standard gear box and converter setup. 1.9 60" on street tyres.

[boyley]

Dont know which cars ur talking about.?

I had a BA 4 speed auto with 282rwkw full built manual box, 3800rpm TCE converter, valve springs, injectors, 910 fuel pump pwr upgraded intercooler, 14psi and did a best of 11.66 @ 117mph with a 1.61 60" ohh and full exhaust as well... Mickey thompson ET Radial tyres. About $4000 worth of mods for mid 11's :):) 14psi of boost off the footbrake hehe ...

car ran a best of 12.3 @ 115mph with the standard gear box and converter setup. 1.9 60" on street tyres.

I was talking about one this thread started on.............

I know the XR6 Turbo's have a rep for being cheap to get
good power out of, but one of my workmates comes in today
with a Dyno Dynamics dyno sheet reading 270rwkw. Now you
might say, so what. But all this power up cost him was just
shy of $800 for a flash tuner. The car is bog stock apart from
this gizmo. The before reading was around 218rwkw. I thought
they needed injectors and a few other bits to achieve this?
Needless to say, he is one happy camper.

With the amount of mods youve done you should be runniing 10's. A simple cam gets my 1900kg luxury auto down the tarmac in 12.0 @ 117mph stock stall.

[LS1_888]

I was talking about one this thread started on.............

I know the XR6 Turbo's have a rep for being cheap to get
good power out of, but one of my workmates comes in today
with a Dyno Dynamics dyno sheet reading 270rwkw. Now you
might say, so what. But all this power up cost him was just
shy of $800 for a flash tuner. The car is bog stock apart from
this gizmo. The before reading was around 218rwkw. I thought
they needed injectors and a few other bits to achieve this?
Needless to say, he is one happy camper.

With the amount of mods youve done you should be runniing 10's. A simple cam gets my 1900kg luxury auto down the tarmac in 12.0 @ 117mph stock stall.

14 psi of boost mate, those turbos can see 24psi + all day with a good tune, i have mates with same setups running 17-18psi running 10.60's 10.70's all day long and have all the information to back that up :-) but theres are making 350+rwkw, i think for 282rwkw that ET is pretty good ...

the engine had 184 000 k's on it as i bought the car for $15k and back in 05 that was pretty cheap for a BA, i told my tuner all i wanted to be doing is flat out burn outs like id go through a set of tyres a fort night so there was no need to chase power just wanted something safe and reliable.

[KPWISHN]

You are AWESOME!

[iloveholden]

You are AWESOME!

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

[boyley]

14 psi of boost mate, those turbos can see 24psi + all day with a good tune, i have mates with same setups running 17-18psi running 10.60's 10.70's all day long and have all the information to back that up :-) but theres are making 350+rwkw, i think for 282rwkw that ET is pretty good ...

the engine had 184 000 k's on it as i bought the car for $15k and back in 05 that was pretty cheap for a BA, i told my tuner all i wanted to be doing is flat out burn outs like id go through a set of tyres a fort night so there was no need to chase power just wanted something safe and reliable.

24psi all day hey, on stock internals??

My point was I have lined up against at least 3 turbo fords that ripped up huge kw's on the dyno and they are just simply slow heaps of crap on the track

[LS1_888]

24psi all day hey, on stock internals??

My point was I have lined up against at least 3 turbo fords that ripped up huge kw's on the dyno and they are just simply slow heaps of crap on the track

Didnt say stock internals i should of said with the right gear aswell ... :-)

Mate many of things can come into play, tyres, tuner, driver, etc.

Eather way id pick a ve gts over any fpv... :):)

[nang3]

I was talking about one this thread started on.............

I know the XR6 Turbo's have a rep for being cheap to get
good power out of, but one of my workmates comes in today
with a Dyno Dynamics dyno sheet reading 270rwkw. Now you
might say, so what. But all this power up cost him was just
shy of $800 for a flash tuner. The car is bog stock apart from
this gizmo. The before reading was around 218rwkw. I thought
they needed injectors and a few other bits to achieve this?
Needless to say, he is one happy camper.

With the amount of mods youve done you should be runniing 10's. A simple cam gets my 1900kg luxury auto down the tarmac in 12.0 @ 117mph stock stall.

whats a decent cam setup worth??? cam + labour + tune is whats needed i guess - i know SFA about n/a mods!!

he's only done $4k in mods so an 11 sec results is pretty good IMO

[CarlFST60L]

whats a decent cam setup worth??? cam + labour + tune is whats needed i guess - i know SFA about n/a mods!!

he's only done $4k in mods so an 11 sec results is pretty good IMO
You can get a cam only VE for $4K on a budget. I got quoted about $5K with some better bits. But you can spend a lot more if you want all the good bits, you can pay $4K for a full exhaust, I suppose not everyone goes cheap :lol:




6T's might have cheap power, but its pretty useless with the lack of grip from the car, not to mention lag city. I dont care what anyone says, I have driven stock and highly modified ones, and I have not been impressed with the amount of lag and wheel spin compared to V8 cars which I have also drive stock and highly modified ones.

We were testing a new FG F6 the other day (stock), and holly crap they are useless as tits on a bull. They need to seriously fix the lag and get some mechanical grip back in that car. Although I must say the FG's are nicer to drive though, much nicer balance and ride quality all round, but it still feels like a BA, just a nicer BA.

[boyley]

whats a decent cam setup worth??? cam + labour + tune is whats needed i guess - i know SFA about n/a mods!!

he's only done $4k in mods so an 11 sec results is pretty good IMO

The above scenario

Parts imported from US Landed $1100
CAM
RODS
Springs
UDP

Fitting was done by a good mate for nicks, I donated some parts and tools to his caause

Tune full custom $300
Diff $500
OTR $700
Exhaust $1800 fitted

So $4300 if you do it wisely

[vecommo]

Spray my religion??? all i do is attempt to add an opposite (i.e. levelheaded nonfanboy) comment to his one eyed "its got a ford badge so must automatically be a shitbox" comments..

I am on this forum because i like performance cars and this site is dedicated to the Holden and HSV range of performance products of which my GF has one (09 VE) and is a direct competitor to the product i drive. Same reason im on antilag/Boost/NissanSUV/350z/WRX/Perth4x4 forums and Home theatre and Tech forums - its stuff im interested in.

but you are right, i shouldnt feed the cyclops really and just ignore him.. its just his comments are friggen funny

Yeah thats right, make yourself out as an innocent little angel who never puts a foot wrong.
Truth is, apart from being a troll, all you are doing is trying to bignote yourself and make yourself look important by taking every opportunity to ridicule my posts.
You are so hell bent on trying to discredit me in any way you can, that you have not even read what I have written. Please point out exactly in my post where I have written that XR6T's are shit solely because they have a Ford badge on them?
I based my comments on things I have personally witnessed, on experiences friends/associates/work colleagues have had with their XR6T's and things I have seen on internet forums.
Forced induction engines are far more stressed than naturally aspirated engines, therefore are far more prone to failure, especially when cheaply modified to produce more power without any sort of strengthening. It's common knowledge, not rocket science. I share the same views for any forced induction engine, not just Fords.

In future I suggest you shut the **** up and read my posts more carefully before shooting your mouth off at me.

[commodore sv8]

the new FG range of falcons judging by reviews and power they can make with little to no mods are great cars.

dont get me wrong i still love v8's, but when a car can make its max torque at 2000 rpm right up to 5600 rpm or whatever it is, thats very impressive.

[CarlFST60L]

dont get me wrong i still love v8's, but when a car can make its max torque at 2000 rpm right up to 5600 rpm or whatever it is, thats very impressive.

Then you drive one and find the reality is, those torque figures were created by getting the turbo on boost quicker than possible while actually driving on the street. They are gutless as buggery below 3000rpm in the real world and will never match the instant / off idle power of a V8, its physically not possible.

[Evman]

I too have been in a manual FG XR6T and I wasn't blown away. I was thinking balls out fury with that torque but it didn't seem to be there. I've read (on this forum) some owners absolutely hate the car in the wet because it's wheelspinning all the time.

[VW Golf R32]

A work colleague just got a F6 310 with the six speed auto. Felt very fast from the passenger's seat.

[plonkerchops]

lets not start on in gear accel times or we'll nnever hear the end of it from 1 eyed Carl

[LS1_888]

Needless to say the VE is a better car all round... The GTS runs rings around them other then a very close 1/4 mile time standard depending whos driving ... lol put them on a circuit the GTS is probably 1-2 seconds faster then the FG F6... They areboats on the road compared to the VE's...

[CarlFST60L]

some owners absolutely hate the car in the wet because it's wheelspinning all the time.

1st gear is wheel spin city in all conditions. Im sure some people are impressed by this, others will see it as a really poorly thought performance package.

Anyway, each to there own.


lets not start on in gear accel times or we'll nnever hear the end of it from 1 eyed Carl

:lol: your right about that.

Lets have a seventh gear roll on.

Honestly though, I question those in gear roll on times, well at least the method they use. I want to know how they get it on boost so quickly, if you idle along off boost, then plant it, it takes a good second to build boost and resemble a 'performance car'. Maybe they stall it up on the brake to build boost, or, start 10km/h slow than the test so its already on boost.

And im not one eyed mate, i have driven plenty of both and couldn't care less, im just sick of everyone proclaiming how good they are when most havnt even driven a modified one. At least I have driven them at the limits ;) BFYB 1/4 mile car, these are FTW, no question.

[superoo]

Then you drive one and find the reality is, those torque figures were created by getting the turbo on boost quicker than possible while actually driving on the street. They are gutless as buggery below 3000rpm in the real world and will never match the instant / off idle power of a V8, its physically not possible.

So are you suggesting the torque figures are overstated because of some unachievable boost method? Forgetting any perception of lag, the max torque figures are given from 2000 rpm - isn't that regardless of how long the turbo took/takes to spool?

I drive a stock BA A4 and agree that from standstill they're hardly quick. Everyone has their own perceptions of performance but to suggest they're "gutless" below 3000 rpm is an interesting observation. I know I can commute to work keeping mine below 3000 rpm and that allows me to more that just keep up with the traffic. The big attraction for me with this configuration was the torque availability in real world conditions (not necessarily frying tyres from the lights) - the exact characteristic which means you can drive them without having to ring their neck. Hardly stressed at that RPM.

[Jarhead]

1st gear is wheel spin city in all conditions. Im sure some people are impressed by this, others will see it as a really poorly thought performance package.

Anyway, each to there own.



:lol: your right about that.

Lets have a seventh gear roll on.

Honestly though, I question those in gear roll on times, well at least the method they use. I want to know how they get it on boost so quickly, if you idle along off boost, then plant it, it takes a good second to build boost and resemble a 'performance car'. Maybe they stall it up on the brake to build boost, or, start 10km/h slow than the test so its already on boost.

And im not one eyed mate, i have driven plenty of both and couldn't care less, im just sick of everyone proclaiming how good they are when most havnt even driven a modified one. At least I have driven them at the limits ;) BFYB 1/4 mile car, these are FTW, no question.



Carl,

Your comments seem to be at odds with most of the motoring community. I have had the pleasure of driving a FG F6 for a 3 full days (1100kms) and from my actual experience they are definitely no slug. I must admit I drove it respectfully as it wasn't mine but it was every bit as good as my R8 if not better (handleing, brakes, chassis). My only concern was the rear tyres were too small for the power - it was too easy to break traction on boost.

This one was bog stock AFAIK and it was probably the best 4 door sedan I have driven under $100K. Having said that it is one of the ugliest cars on the road but then beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

My only advise is that all 'tests' need to be taken in context. A quick whip around the block does not make you an expert in a car. Just this week I was a passenger in a customer's new M3. My impressions after 1 hour was that it was hardly any better than a 325i. A lot has to do with the driver, how they drive, traffic, roads, etc.

After I dropped him off I had to drive it back and my opinion of the car changed dramatically.:rofl:

[WLDLS1]

it must be said that yes they make cheap SHORT TERM power if your not willing to spend money on all the other mods to make it a reliable engine. so when you calculate the cost of all the other mods needed then its not cheap. at least with a lsx you can throw in a cam,tune and go fast, make good power, have excellent driving manners and fuel economy and the cost is not that great.

[CarlFST60L]

So are you suggesting the torque figures are overstated because of some unachievable boost method? Forgetting any perception of lag, the max torque figures are given from 2000 rpm - isn't that regardless of how long the turbo took/takes to spool?

I drive a stock BA A4 and agree that from standstill they're hardly quick. Everyone has their own perceptions of performance but to suggest they're "gutless" below 3000 rpm is an interesting observation. I know I can commute to work keeping mine below 3000 rpm and that allows me to more that just keep up with the traffic. The big attraction for me with this configuration was the torque availability in real world conditions (not necessarily frying tyres from the lights) - the exact characteristic which means you can drive them without having to ring their neck. Hardly stressed at that RPM.

Obviously its hard to get all this across via a keyboard. All I can suggest is you drive a few standard and modified cars (BA / FG / VE / VE HSV) at the limit. If you still have the same opinion, no problem. Loading a car up on an engine dyno or chassis dyno to produce boost at 2000rpm does not translate to the road. As I said, go drive a 6L and hold 2000rpm in first, then floor it, then do the same in your 6T.


Carl,

Your comments seem to be at odds with most of the motoring community. I have had the pleasure of driving a FG F6 for a 3 full days (1100kms) and from my actual experience they are definitely no slug.

I dont recall saying the car was always a slug. I think you should probably re read my post(s). Off idle/off boost = slug, boost = good.

I have driven cars from both sides at the limit of traction and beyond, and have my opinion based on my testing. The 6T is not the be all an end all, if you want cheap peak power, its probably the best car, if you want good ET's/MPH with slicks or race tyres, its a great car, if you want to feel the boost rush its great. Outside of that, I have said what my opinion is of the car and its power delivery.

I agree the FG is much better than the previous ford models, it sits well at the limit, its nicer to control, more direct steering and just a tighter overall feel, ride quality is also greatly improved. I would say it feels as good as a brand new VE to cruise in, but not as good as a VE HSV for many subtle reasons, but its close.

The turbo's power delivery makes it much harder to drive 'safely' at the limit (in a straight line is not usually a problem unless it breaks traction and kicks sideways, which tends to happen if you have the slightest slope on the road or imperfections on the surface). The car suffers from a serious lack of mechanical grip which makes it almost dangerous to drive at the limit, and the car is completely useless in the wet. I will not say the same for the current model HSV, the car has a superb all round balance for its weight, from power delivery to chassis balance, save and easy to drive even in the wet.

Give me instant torque, off idle torque and a well balanced car any day over cheap power.

[KuRT12]

XR6T's do sound terrible.

[bigdogdazza]

Haha I think the xr6t is a nice car I suppose but to me it sounds just like any commuter based tin can. Thats the reason I would only ever buy an 8 or rotary cause no point in having performance vehicles if you cant hear em!:spew:

[calais190]

it must be said that yes they make cheap SHORT TERM power if your not willing to spend money on all the other mods to make it a reliable engine. so when you calculate the cost of all the other mods needed then its not cheap. at least with a lsx you can throw in a cam,tune and go fast, make good power, have excellent driving manners and fuel economy and the cost is not that great.

+1 to that mate.

I don't think enough drivers on the road understand the complexities and delicate nature of motor mechanics, you can't just add 5+psi of boost to a entirely stock system without shit breaking... If you could, ford would do it? Mucking around with forced induction is delicate, and it seems that not many people are educated this way.

[SolidSnake]

Compare apples with apples though, and put the Ford 6s up with the Holden 6s. Maybe the XR6T against the V8s though because it is turbo'd. I don't see why we all whine and bitch about these things, they're both made here pretty much (lets not get into engines, who gives a rats ass), they're both good cars for the price, IMO there is no right and wrong decision with either.

IMO: Holden for 8s, Ford for 6s.

[Evman]

Forgetting any perception of lag, the max torque figures are given from 2000 rpm - isn't that regardless of how long the turbo took/takes to spool?

Not at all. The torque figures are quoted on full power runs, so it'll be WOT from idle pretty much, giving the turbo about 1000rpm to spool up. My mate has a BA XR6T and goes on about the full boost at 2000rpm and seems to think that means there's no lag, so I always remind him that it still needs to spool. Cruise along at 2000rpm and hit WOT you wont be getting full boost straight away and you wont be getting the quoted torque.

[superoo]

Obviously its hard to get all this across via a keyboard. All I can suggest is you drive a few standard and modified cars (BA / FG / VE / VE HSV) at the limit. If you still have the same opinion, no problem. Loading a car up on an engine dyno or chassis dyno to produce boost at 2000rpm does not translate to the road. As I said, go drive a 6L and hold 2000rpm in first, then floor it, then do the same in your 6T.


I guess everyone has their opinion - I would have thought this exact scenario suits the XR6T. From idle I think the V8 will have its measure. Sounds like I need to test drive a FG T and VE V8 back to back! My wallet is unlikely to be impressed with the outcome.....


Totally agree with the opinion regarding increasing boost. It's not as simple as winding it up and done poorly, disaster will likely follow. Still doesn't change the fact that if you can afford the increased risk, there's great performance for the dollar to be had. It's all in the tune.

As for them sounding terrible...opinions will reign supreme. I think they sound fantastic - for a 6. Pulled up next to an AMG CLS63 this week. It was raining. I still had my window down. Oh the sound....

[steve_t]

Seat of the Pants dyno isn't especially good comparing a turbo'd car to a N/A or S/C car. Turbo's tend to 'feel' faster as the turbo spools.
Again, I still think both are great. If only the Ford had wider rear tyres and a better calibrated ESP

[CarlFST60L]

Not at all. The torque figures are quoted on full power runs, so it'll be WOT from idle pretty much, giving the turbo about 1000rpm to spool up. My mate has a BA XR6T and goes on about the full boost at 2000rpm and seems to think that means there's no lag, so I always remind him that it still needs to spool. Cruise along at 2000rpm and hit WOT you wont be getting full boost straight away and you wont be getting the quoted torque.

I believe that on an engine dyno where they get these figures they hold wot while the engine dyno loads up the motor for a second or so before the rev's actually start going up, this starts the building of boost far earlier than whats possible on the street, same with a chassis dyno, they sit there on load for a second or so before the run starts ;) The one I drive doesn't do shit till about 3000rpm when going off idle, and I mean NOTHING.

I would have already made a video of the boost gauge with an off idle roll on on the street as the boost gauge tells all! Stupid Iphone doesnt do videos though :vpo:

I think its key to change your driving style to suite the turbo to compensate for the lag so your never caught off boost. Unlike a V8 when you get what you get no matter what, torque on tap with in an instant.

[nang3]

Yeah thats right, make yourself out as an innocent little angel who never puts a foot wrong.
Truth is, apart from being a troll, all you are doing is trying to bignote yourself and make yourself look important by taking every opportunity to ridicule my posts.
You are so hell bent on trying to discredit me in any way you can, that you have not even read what I have written. Please point out exactly in my post where I have written that XR6T's are shit solely because they have a Ford badge on them?
I based my comments on things I have personally witnessed, on experiences friends/associates/work colleagues have had with their XR6T's and things I have seen on internet forums.
Forced induction engines are far more stressed than naturally aspirated engines, therefore are far more prone to failure, especially when cheaply modified to produce more power without any sort of strengthening. It's common knowledge, not rocket science. I share the same views for any forced induction engine, not just Fords.

In future I suggest you shut the **** up and read my posts more carefully before shooting your mouth off at me.

ROFL thats ****ing hilarious !!! the only time i bother commenting on your posts is when they are one eyed crap - doesnt the fact that a whole lot of people including HSV owners also comment on you being one eyed and anti-ford prove you as a troll??

Yes Forced Induction engines are usually a little more stressed than N/A engines and its a widely known FACT that the ford turbo motors are relatively undertuned/understressed and a few simple mods including a SENSIBLE PROFESSIONAL tune will give you 300rwkw RELIABLY and SAFELY for many thousands of kilometers as evidenced by the many unbroken modded turbos still on the streets.

do you seriously think that all your posts are wonderfully articulated, unbiased and informative comment based on proven fact?

I spent a quick 5-10minutes looking at some of your posts in the past and you will always seem to jump into a thread regarding any ford product and rubbish its design, colour, performance.. basically anything at all just cause it has a blue badge on it.

here's a few more of your brilliantly unbiased posts - feel free to reply with some of my posts where i have said holdens/HSV's are ugly/slow/POS or whatever;


Nah mate atrocious build quality is a standard feature with Fords.

New Supercharged V8 falcon thread where someone suggests it might give the W427 a run for its money.

Yeah right.

My bet is that it will turn out to be another boat anchor like the Boss V8.





Funny you mention that..... I was sitting at a set of lights this morning waiting to turn when an FG F6 passed me going the other way. When he put his foot down it started popping and spluttering and backfiring like no tomorrow, it sounded like a Datsun 120Y running on 2 cylinders. Dead set it was one of the worst sounds I've ever heard coming from a car.
Give me a V8 any day over that rubbish.



Funny how I recall all the Ford fans rambling on about how Holden only sell so many cars because of extreme discounting, while Ford doesn't discount and therefore has a much higher profit margin etc... This seems to contradict all that.
I'm glad I don't know anybody that works at Ford (nor would I want to). I wouldn't drive one of their pos if they gave it to me for free.


Well with the VE easily outselling the mediocre FG, Holden is in no hurry to rush in updates....But yeah, it would be nice if we got all these things before the export markets.



FG looks refreshing?
It looks like a cross between an AU and BF! :spew:
To put it simply.....it looks shit!


I think I've found where the Ford designers got their inspiration from when designing the G6E.

http://i276.photobucket.com/albums/kk4/mcdriver/aircon.jpg


regarding a crashed XR6T

Typical XR6T driving wanker......:jerk:

someone says the Falcon is a nice car you have to add

You're kidding right?

post in a thread asking if the OP should buy an older slower VZ R8 or F6 Typhoon

Anything but a Ford...

Another post discrediting FPV - i drive 50mins a day and still see about 3 at least

There is such a thing as an FG FPV??? I have not seen a single one on the road to date, and I am on the roads all day every day (truck driver).


Just when I thought the FG couldn't get any uglier...

And that Mondeo wagon...:spew::spew::spew::spew:


in the FG Falcon 5 Star ANCAP rating thread - bet if it was holden you wouldnt be rubbishing the criteria!

The e-gas FG is rated as a 4 star car because it lacks ESC. As ESC has no bearing on crashworthiness, then it would be fair to say that when it comes to actual structural crashworthiness, the FG is technically still a 4 star car.

re. seatbelt reminders, for me they are a totally useless gimmick which I would disable to stop it from annoying me. I never ever take off without my seatbelt on, it is second nature to me.

As for pedestrian ratings, what another crock of shit, a pedestrian is going to be seriously injured/killed no matter what car they are hit by.

Who are these so called 'intellectuals' that come up with this garbage? They need a good reality check.


<snip>The Falcon IMO is on borrowed time as it's sales figures are the worst in the nameplate's history and cannot sustain continued development and investment in this model.
The Territory isn't exactly doing well either... <snip>Ford's build quality is woeful enough as it is, and it's only going to get worse.
<snip>
It just annoys me that Ford are always so quick to publicly critisize everyone else, while their own state of affairs are in a shambles.
I'd be willing to bet that if Ford Aus had hybrid technology readily available from its parent company, they'd be singing it's praises.


MORE FG rubbishing - we have an 09 VE and my 05 BA is about the same build quality.

Yep, totally agree.

I laugh when people rave on about the FG interior. The dash is the biggest and ugliest slab of plastic I have ever seen in a car. Look at how far it protrudes into the passenger space - it gives you the impression you are sitting under it rather than behind it. As for quality, don't be fooled by first impressions...the plastics are as cheap and nasty as ever. Look at the glovebox for instance - a flat piece of cheap plastic that falls onto your knees. The steering wheel looks like they threw a melted blob of plastic on the ground and took it whichever way it set. The instrument graphics look plain and cheap, the display screen is hardly cutting edge and the console is a myriad of small and fiddly buttons which you need a magnifying glass to read.
While I admit the materials used in the VE could be improved, the design is far better executed making the VE interior a much nicer pace to be. Hell, even my 2003 WK interior is a far nicer place to be.


your post in the UGLY CARS thread


http://www.cnet.com.au/story_media/339286049/fg-falcon_1.jpg



your post about someones experience with his new FG XR6T - if it was an R8 you would be all "LS3 POWER FOr the WIn !!!"


So you can spin the wheels at 2000rpm. Big deal. At the end of the day what have you achieved apart from impressing the bogans in the local maccas carpark?

It's just as well you don't get that in the SS. Who in their right mind would want 'instant sideways action' at 145kmh in the wet? This is the most irresponsible thing I have ever heard of, and here you are glorifying it. And I bet you do it on a public road too.... :weirdo:


another little anti-FG rant. you really make it sound like an FG ran away with your girl/boy-friend, the level of hate is quite impressive.


Well here's my opinion FWIW,

Exterior:

Front end is tacky, overdone and just looks like a complete mess in general. Reminds me of those ricers with huge and ridiculous bodykits and acres of mesh. What's with the ridiculously oversized air dam? If it gets any bigger it may as well not even have a front bumper.

The side profile and doors just look wrong for some reason. It's like they tried to copy the VE but stuffed it up and ended up with a Camry lookalike.
For top end performance cars, the FG FPV's look very plain jane from some angles. Look at the side and rear photos of the orange F6, if the rear spoiler was removed, you'd be forgiven for thinking you were looking at a taxi!!!

The decals are ugly and nothing but a wank. I wonder how these will look after a few years in the weather... all cracked and peeling off.

The rear is absolutely horrid imo. The rear of the BF was clean and inoffensive, but with the FG they've gone back to the sad and droopy AU style rear which looks absolutely shithouse. Makes the car look very sad IMO. Tail lights are ill shaped and look like ricer altezzas.
The rear end in general, apart from the body kit, is identical to the base model, which is piss poor for a car in this price range. HSV have at least put in the effort to differentiate their cars from the base model Holdens.

Interior:

As somebody previously mentioned, the dash looks like Ford have gone out and found the biggest and ugliest slab of plastic they could find and just added fixtures and switches to it. Not as bad as the AU monstrosity but bordering on it.
The dash is too bulky and intrudes too far into the passenger space, making you feel cramped and claustrophobic. This was one of the first things I noticed when I sat in an FG at the motor show.
The steering wheel makes me physically ill just looking at it. I've driven trucks with nicer steering wheels.
The placement of the screen is just wrong imo. Not only does it look ugly but its in a position where it would be exposed to sun glare, making it unreadable.
The centre stack is a myriad of tiny, fiddly little buttons and the starter button reeks of wank factor.
The instrument cluster is plain, thoughtless and unimaginative, with graphics that you'd expect to see in a Hyundai Getz, not a $70,000 FPV. Another step backwards from the BF.
And what's with the headrests in the FG, they are so ugly and oversized, they look like they came out of a mid 90's Mitsubishi Express van, only bigger.

So yeah, I could go on, but to put it simply I am not a fan of these cars and never will be, despite their claimed performance capabilities. They are not a car that I would look at and say 'wow!!!'. I may as well be looking at a taxi! To me they are uninspiring and simply do not ingine the passion like a Holden/HSV would.

FG V8 Supercar thread

He must be on some good crack then. Just when I thought the FG couldn't get any uglier, they come out with that abortion of a thing...:spew::spew:





Umm, most of them were brand new straight off a car carrier, but then again, Fords are known for coming clapped out straight from the factory, so i guess your assumption is somewhat correct.

I stand by my comments regarding BA 6 cyl being gutless on take off, feels like there is nothing there below 60-70kmh. Alloytec, Ecotec, even my VP feel stronger on take off.







Pffft, only a Ford fan boy could say something like that. The FG is an abortion of a car, a 5yo with a crayon could do better.

It doesn't matter whether I drive a VP or a Bugatti Veyron, the fact remains that the FG is an ugly car which will date extremely quickly.

Even the Ford adverts put sand in your muff

Those have got to be the lamest excuses for advertisments I have seen in my entire life!!!

If I was a Ford fan right now I'd be cringing with embarrasment!!!

Give me back my bandwidth and 3 minutes of my life.... What a f***ing waste!!!!





thread about the FG turbo quicker round winton than SS

add another one to that!

None of this has been proven. As for handling and steering, I don't see how the ford can be so superior, the VE raised the benchmark very high in this regard and remember it has near perfect 50:50 weight distribution which the falcon doesn't, with it's long and heavy I6 and boat anchor V8.

On the topic of suspension, now that the Falcon has adopted the Territory's front suspension, does that mean that the Falcons will now have ball joints which collapse as you drive down the road, or have an alignment so bad that it requires shims to be fitted for correction?:lol:



yaawwwn more B.S. .. 50-100 FG's is a lot for one single caryard - must be a lot different from Perth as i had troubles finding a place with both a G6ET and FG XR6T to testdrive on the same day.. Well done for remembering every single one of the 50-100 individual vehicles to notice that they have "not moved for the last 2 weeks." as well !!!

There is a Ford dealer in south east Melbourne that I regularly drive past whose holding yard is clearly visible from the street. There are at least 50-100 FG's there of all descriptions sitting there collecting dust which have not moved for the last 2 weeks.


and Finally the ultimate admittance of Holden badge one eyed'ness - you would not choose an FG even if it is proven to be quicker and superior !!!


I agree with you 110%, I have zero interest in owning an FG no matter how quick or supposedly superior it is.

I can't see this thread lasting too long though...

[seedyrom]

I agree with you Nang3


I loved that one too

I agree with you 110%, I have zero interest in owning an FG no matter how quick or supposedly superior it is.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[steve_t]

:rofl::rofl::rofl: Nang3, does your employer know how long you've had a big blue screen up in front of you?

vecommo, sorry mate, you got iPwned

[VXSS346]

Fantastic Post Nang3 :goodjob:

Its worth of its own thread I reckon :lol: and even should made a sticky. :lmao:

So vecommo :limpy: You lose!!!

:closed:

Cheers :)

[Ghia351]

Errr, I can't believe I'm posting this... however we can't be too harsh on vecommo, let's face it, when he makes a post that's only his opinion then we can't be too critical as it's a subjective post being put forward. It's his drivel when rubbish is put forward as fact that only makes one's eyes glaze over and skip his post. Opinions as just like our butt holes, we all have one, although I do think someone in a Ford stole something dealerly loved by vecommo....however nang3, your use of the search function, and cut & paste has been proof of the phrase "the pen (in this case mouse) is mightier than the sword".

[CarlFST60L]

vecommo, I think your a bit biased. You haven't even driven an FG yet you bag it like you know everything about it, your more than entitled to your opinion though, most people go with their gut when they buy a car, so its perfectly valid to hear your perception of the car ;)


Originally Posted by vecommo View Post
Funny you mention that..... I was sitting at a set of lights this morning waiting to turn when an FG F6 passed me going the other way. When he put his foot down it started popping and spluttering and backfiring like no tomorrow, it sounded like a Datsun 120Y running on 2 cylinders. Dead set it was one of the worst sounds I've ever heard coming from a car.
Give me a V8 any day over that rubbish.

AFAIK that terrible sound is actually it pushing air through to keep boost up (instead of hot exhaust gas), it does sound shit i must admit. I do think its ridiculous, and I don't hear any other Euro turbo car's doing it, so it must be a bit of a waste of time, I guess..

[zorro]

Could also be from wheelspin, my mates BA trac control kicks in and makes the thing sound like its misfiring sounds bloody horrible from outside the car.

Look having driven a few XRTs and a Force 6 (with around 600 give or take HP) and overall are impressed. Sure they lag (most large turbo cars do) but keep them on song in the right gear and they are great. If you drive around smoking the tires everywhere Id be questioning your driving skills. My base model BF company car handled better than a base model VZ.

Ive driven the 8s and agree they have a bit to get them desirable but the FGs even though arent 'entirely' a new car have made some excellent improvements. The VE SS Im sorry to say isnt as pokey or fun to drive as the FG XR8. Take the hand off the dick about magazine 0-100kph/0-400 tests and DRIVE the things and then make an opinion. I dont bleed for any car manufacturer but an opinion from a perspective of one will differ from another.

[CarlFST60L]

Could also be from wheelspin, my mates BA trac control kicks in and makes the thing sound like its misfiring sounds bloody horrible from outside the car.

I really dont think its traction control or wheels spin, not on the FG F6 anyway, its a new sound I have only heard out of an FG and its very noticable.. It does it 1st, 2nd, 3rd and its clearly between gear changes.


Look having driven a few XRTs and a Force 6 (with around 600 give or take HP) and overall are impressed. Sure they lag (most large turbo cars do) but keep them on song in the right gear and they are great. If you drive around smoking the tires everywhere Id be questioning your driving skills. My base model BF company car handled better than a base model VZ.

So your saying you had no problems getting 600hp to the ground in a 6T :confused: You my friend are a god among men.

[Excellent]

I don't necessarily agree with vecommo but I don't agree with bagging him just because he's badge loyal. There's heaps of badge loyal people out there. Nothing wrong with that as the money is theirs and they can do what they want with it. This is a Holden forum after all. But I've read worse from Holden owners bagging other Holden owners. Should they be banned too?

[steve_t]

I don't necessarily agree with vecommo but I don't agree with bagging him just because he's badge loyal. There's heaps of badge loyal people out there. Nothing wrong with that as the money is theirs and they can do what they want with it. This is a Holden forum after all. But I've read worse from Holden owners bagging other Holden owners. Should they be banned too?

Who said anything about banning vecommo? That's a bit drastic don't you think? :confused:
He just got pwned where he said "Please point out exactly in my post where I have written that XR6T's are shit solely because they have a Ford badge on them?"
It happens to all of us. I hope he can look back at the posts and laugh and tell us he doesn't give a flying f@#$. He'd still buy a Holden V8 over a Ford 6T any day of the week :goodjob:

[Excellent]

Who said anything about banning vecommo? That's a bit drastic don't you think? :confused:
He just got pwned where he said "Please point out exactly in my post where I have written that XR6T's are shit solely because they have a Ford badge on them?"
It happens to all of us. I hope he can look back at the posts and laugh and tell us he doesn't give a flying f@#$. He'd still buy a Holden V8 over a Ford 6T any day of the week :goodjob:

It doesn't take a Rhode scholar to work out that the word 'troll' gets overused whenever some persons address one of vecommo's posts. What do you think their intention is? The best action would be to ignore him altogether, wouldn't you think?

[F6Mauz]

I really dont think its traction control or wheels spin, not on the FG F6 anyway, its a new sound I have only heard out of an FG and its very noticable.. It does it 1st, 2nd, 3rd and its clearly between gear changes.


You may find quite a few euro's do it. Actually saw a new Audi RS6 estate on thursday being given a bootfull and it made the same sound bewteen the gears. I personally love that sound.
I think it's kinder on the gearbox as it retards the ignition between the changes.

[steve_t]

You may find quite a few euro's do it. Actually saw a new Audi RS6 estate on thursday being given a bootfull and it made the same sound bewteen the gears. I personally love that sound.
I think it's kinder on the gearbox as it retards the ignition between the changes.

Or is it an anti-lag system that's dumping fuel thru to keep the turbo spooled?

[CarlFST60L]

Or is it an anti-lag system that's dumping fuel thru to keep the turbo spooled?

I am pretty sure it cuts fuel and push's just air, similar to the launch control on the manuals... Not really sure though, just a guess as it sounds similar.

[1BEAST2NV]

just read the 'ARTICLE" on the other page.....Good post NANG3, def see your point

VECOMMO

OWNED :rofl::lmao:

[CarlFST60L]

You may find quite a few euro's do it. Actually saw a new Audi RS6 estate on thursday being given a bootfull and it made the same sound bewteen the gears. I personally love that sound.
I think it's kinder on the gearbox as it retards the ignition between the changes.

Ahh, your right, one of my favorite cars the RS6, and it does 'flutter' between gears :) But it dosnt sound like a dogs breakfast, those things sound horn :bow:

[steve_t]

I am pretty sure it cuts fuel and push's just air, similar to the launch control on the manuals... Not really sure though, just a guess as it sounds similar.

Does the FG F6 have Launch Control and Flat Shift onboard from factory?

[1BEAST2NV]

mates got a FG F6, it does have launch control (sounds funny), not sure about flat shift??

[vecommo]

If people think I got "owned" then so be it..... It doesn't really faze me in the slightest. If anything is proven from this, it is how much of a sad and lonely individual nang3 is, to spend hours and hours trolling and cutting and pasting somebody else's posts, (the majority of which are irrelevant to this thread) just to find a comeback. I'm sure I could find plenty on him if I went through his posts, however I've got much better things to do with my life than that sad f**k.

[GODSMACK]

If people think I got "owned" then so be it..... It doesn't really faze me in the slightest. If anything is proven from this, it is how much of a sad and lonely individual nang3 is, to spend hours and hours trolling and cutting and pasting somebody else's posts, (the majority of which are irrelevant to this thread) just to find a comeback. I'm sure I could find plenty on him if I went through his posts, however I've got much better things to do with my life than that sad f**k.

http://somethinglikethis.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/tissues1.jpg

[vecommo]

AFAIK that terrible sound is actually it pushing air through to keep boost up (instead of hot exhaust gas), it does sound shit i must admit. I do think its ridiculous, and I don't hear any other Euro turbo car's doing it, so it must be a bit of a waste of time, I guess..

Thank you Carl, you seem to be one of the more sensible ones around here. I don't even know why that was brought up.... I observed an F6 which made a terrible sound then wrote a truthful post regarding my observations. What would people have rather I did? Make up some bullshit about how fantastic it sounded just to keep the Ford lovers happy? That is not who I am.... I believe in speaking my mind and telling it as I see it, not being a fake and making up crap just to fit in with the crowd.
The way I see it, those who attack me and ridicule my posts are those with the problem.
I am anti-Ford, that is my opinion, that is what I believe. And I have seen enough with my own eyes to justify those beliefs. Why should I all of a sudden change my own personal beliefs just to keep a certain minority happy?
I don't know how many times I have stated it, but there is a million times more anti-Holden posts on the Ford Forums than there is anti-Ford here. Do you see me over there whinging and attacking people? NO. Why is it then that Ford fans come here and think they have the god given right to attack me for having an anti-Ford opinion? This question still remains unanswered.

[F6Mauz]

Thank you Carl, you seem to be one of the more sensible ones around here. I don't even know why that was brought up.... I observed an F6 which made a terrible sound then wrote a truthful post regarding my observations. What would people have rather I did? Make up some bullshit about how fantastic it sounded just to keep the Ford lovers happy? That is not who I am.... I believe in speaking my mind and telling it as I see it, not being a fake and making up crap just to fit in with the crowd.
The way I see it, those who attack me and ridicule my posts are those with the problem.
I am anti-Ford, that is my opinion, that is what I believe. And I have seen enough with my own eyes to justify those beliefs. Why should I all of a sudden change my own personal beliefs just to keep a certain minority happy?
I don't know how many times I have stated it, but there is a million times more anti-Holden posts on the Ford Forums than there is anti-Ford here. Do you see me over there whinging and attacking people? NO. Why is it then that Ford fans come here and think they have the god given right to attack me for having an anti-Ford opinion? This question still remains unanswered.

Hitler wasn't a bad guy then by the way you explain it:confused:
If all your posts on a subject is always to ridicule then you best not say anything and move on. You admit your one eyed and not able to give an opinion based equally on a product so why post. :weirdo:

[vecommo]

If all your posts on a subject is always to ridicule then you best not say anything and move on. You admit your one eyed and not able to give an opinion based equally on a product so why post. :weirdo:

So in other words, you only want me to post what YOU want to hear?

[F6Mauz]

No of course not. You admitted that you are biased and hate all ford products. You don't judge it on their merits, just on your ignorance.


I am anti-Ford

[FOON]

Horse for courses, swings and roundabouts or whatever you like to call this. IMO the world would be a pretty boring place if we all liked the same cars, in regards to vecommo I have heard worse about Fords from my own mates who all own gen 3's the trick is to take it with a pinch of salt. I might be a Ford fan but can see past the blue oval and recognise good cars of any brand, and I think the V8 Holdens are a great car. Everybody knows the Boss engine isnt a great competitor for the V8 Holden, they can be with a bit of money spent but the LSx is a better base to start from IMO, but the Turbo six is a good competitor though, the thing with turbos it is an aquired taste, I like the rush of it coming on boost that moment of anticipation as you know whats about to happen, but I am also a huge V8 fan. To vecommo, your entitled to your opinion and it doesnt really bother me if you post it here and bag the fords and in some cases I agree with some but I am also entitled to my opinion that some of your opinions are wrong in my eyes. The Turbo modified and tuned right can be a reliable weapon in the hands of a good driver who knows how to use it there are plenty around that can verify that. As with any engine including the LSx modified and tuned wrong can spell disaster and cost the owner a considerable amount of money to be fixed. Both the LSx and the Ford turbo offer considerable bang for buck in regards mods and the availability of performance parts. In the end its what ever you are into that chooses what brand and the war will always go on as long as both brands are making cars in Australia. But its up to ourselves if we want to be apart of it.

[Evman]

I'm never going to own a Falcon, or even a Ford. I can see myself happily continuing to own Holden's and preferably Commodores for my entire life. I am one eyed but I' can recognise a good car. I will always be biased though.

The thing that makes me laugh, a lot actually, is the number of Ford owners popping up on here and typing away. I got banned from a Ford forum because I was offering an opinion from the Holden side. I was being as unbiased as possible, like this example...


Like I've said for a while, the BF is a better car, but the VZ has never been too far behind. Once again, the Typhoon has come out on top (not everyone can buy a car just for the track), but the Clubby is still right up there, with a 9 year old chassis. I only wish all those people who go on about the BF being miles ahead of the VZ, and that the Phoon is some untouchable god would read and take note. To prevent arguements, I'll repeat myself, I agree the BF is better, but not by much.

16 posts in, banned for being arguementative. Then Ford owners come on here and accuse Commodore owners on a COMMODORE FORUM of being one eyed. FFS, if you own a Ford and you're a Ford fan, fk off to your own forums or shut the hell up. Well, maybe you'd have to if this was run like a Ford forum. Just be glad that at least on this forum we're more tolerant. Usually.

[vecommo]

I'm never going to own a Falcon, or even a Ford. I can see myself happily continuing to own Holden's and preferably Commodores for my entire life. I am one eyed but I' can recognise a good car. I will always be biased though.

The thing that makes me laugh, a lot actually, is the number of Ford owners popping up on here and typing away. I got banned from a Ford forum because I was offering an opinion from the Holden side. I was being as unbiased as possible, like this example...



16 posts in, banned for being arguementative. Then Ford owners come on here and accuse Commodore owners on a COMMODORE FORUM of being one eyed. FFS, if you own a Ford and you're a Ford fan, fk off to your own forums or shut the hell up. Well, maybe you'd have to if this was run like a Ford forum. Just be glad that at least on this forum we're more tolerant. Usually.

I take my hat off to you Evman. At least you can see where I'm coming from .





I don't know how many times I have stated it, but there is a million times more anti-Holden posts on the Ford Forums than there is anti-Ford here. Do you see me over there whinging and attacking people? NO. Why is it then that Ford fans come here and think they have the god given right to attack me for having an anti-Ford opinion? This question still remains unanswered.

Why haven't any of the Ford guys answered this question yet?

[FOON]

To both Evman and vecommo I do agree with what your saying, it might not have come across in my original post but I am, this is a holden forum and as such what do Ford fans expect from here. I do dispute some claims but as I have said before everyone is entitled to their opinions. I didnt join this site to preach the Ford way but to read about the good thing the LSx engine is, but the OP is an LS owner commenting on the good thing the turbo is.

[ratter]

I own 3 fords, ZC fairlane with 460 big block, BA Turbo and now FG super pursuit, I have also owned commodores in the past, I worked for over 16 years in a holden dealership, My last ford (just traded it) was quick enough to run in the 11's unopened with a little weight removed, (not bad for a slug 5.4)
I visit forums for both manufacturers, I'm not stupid enough to believe that a car from one manufacturer is better than one from the other just because of a badge.

In my opinion you are more than welcome on ford forums, at least you may see some truth to what is going on

[vecommo]

It's just that a lot of the Ford guys here have double standards. They come here preaching that we shouldn't be one eyed and should judge cars on their merits, yet over on the Ford Forum they turn a blind eye to those who continually rubbish Holden and in many cases even encourage and participate in it.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.

[BLACK 346]

It's just that a lot of the Ford guys here have double standards. They come here preaching that we shouldn't be one eyed and should judge cars on their merits, yet over on the Ford Forum they turn a blind eye to those who continually rubbish Holden and in many cases even encourage and participate in it.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.

What is the point of having cake if you can't fkn eat it?

[FOON]

It's just that a lot of the Ford guys here have double standards. They come here preaching that we shouldn't be one eyed and should judge cars on their merits, yet over on the Ford Forum they turn a blind eye to those who continually rubbish Holden and in many cases even encourage and participate in it.
You can't have your cake and eat it too.

What forum is this? I am a member of Ford Forums of Australia and havent seen much of this rubbishing you have spoken about, I have seen a couple of threads in there that have resulted in some rubbishing and have been dealt with in a quick and decisive way in each case, it can seem draconian at times on there but the mods usually will not have a bar of it. I have been a member on here just as long as the other and I have seen more on this site, but I dont really expect any different. Like I said before I have heard worse from my mates who are all gen 3 owners I am the sole ford owner.

[1BEAST2NV]

:train:

:nono:

I like both holdens and fords, my mates new f6 tyfoon goes pretty good for a stocker manual...

And hey, lets ALL face it, if TURBO'S are that bad, why did they bring out the GEN "T" and "TT" turbo kit for the LS1's and so on.....

Cos its a easy power gain and makes p1ss :goodjob:

have the best of both worlds :goodjob:

"make the cake and eat it" :lmao:

[vecommo]

What forum is this? I am a member of Ford Forums of Australia and havent seen much of this rubbishing you have spoken about, I have seen a couple of threads in there that have resulted in some rubbishing and have been dealt with in a quick and decisive way in each case, it can seem draconian at times on there but the mods usually will not have a bar of it. I have been a member on here just as long as the other and I have seen more on this site, but I dont really expect any different. Like I said before I have heard worse from my mates who are all gen 3 owners I am the sole ford owner.

You must be either on some other forum or living under a rock... The Australian Ford Forum is nothing but a great big daily Holden bashing fest. Im not going to drop to nang3's level by cutting and pasting posts, but take some time yourself to read through the threads and you will see what I mean.

[Evman]

I may have got a little over the top. Let's be honest, there's no prob with Ford owners and such coming on here and posting up their cars and sharing their thoughts. But FFS, this is a Holden forum, if you can't handle the fact that there are going tobe die-hard Holden fans on here who will NEVER even consider buying a Ford for no reason at all, you need to get a life. Like I said, I got banned from a Ford forum for posting my (consciously unbiased as possible) opinions. You guys practically get away with murder on here in comparison. Don't start taking it for granted because it IS a Holden forum.

[BLACK 346]

I'm glad I don't know anybody that works at Ford (nor would I want to).

Out of all the shite that he posts, the above is the one I like the best.
Judging a person by where he/she works? What sort of shit do you have
going on upstairs VECOMMO :werd: What if a Ford worker or driver comes
to the aid of you or your family in an accident, you going too tell them to
fcku off :rofl:

[vecommo]

Out of all the shite that he posts, the above is the one I like the best.
Judging a person by where he/she works? What sort of shit do you have
going on upstairs VECOMMO :werd: What if a Ford worker or driver comes
to the aid of you or your family in an accident, you going too tell them to
fcku off :rofl:
Ever heard of a joke?
I think you are taking it way too literally.

[BLACK 346]

Ever heard of a joke?
I think you are taking it way too literally.

Ah, so you really like Fords and this is all a big joke,
I get it now :)

[F6Mauz]

Ah, so you really like Fords and this is all a big joke,
I get it now :)


:rofl::rofl::lmao:
Hilarious

[macca33]

I think that the 'XR6 Turbo cheap power' discussion has been lost in the 'mire.

At least people have been reasonably civil, however, it is now time for a new topic.

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