Camaro outsells Mustang – first time since 1993

[Hamico]

Nice to see GM having a bit of positive news in the US for a change...

Hopefully GM can leverage this and spread a positive vibe over the organisation, God they need it

http://www.caradvice.com.au/34211/camaro-outsells-mustang-for-first-time-since-93/#comments

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[ringram]

The moral of the story is RWD V8's sell.
Fag wagons with homo electrics dont.

[HSVQUE]

The moral of the story is RWD V8's sell.
Fag wagons with homo electrics dont.


haha fag wagons..

People still wanna drive nice cars.. regardless of global warming,GFC etc etc.

not to mention transformers probably helped sell a few :D

[cosmo vyss]

I am not suprised at all. The camaro is a super looking car and with a great V8 engine that can be modded easy. I am still annoyed that this car won't be coming to Aus via the Holden stealerships.

[planetdavo]

I am still annoyed that this car won't be coming to Aus via the Holden stealerships.
Annoyed the car isn't coming, and annoyed if you had to deal with a "stealership" ripping you off to sell you one...:confused:
Be huppy mun. :)

[Grommz]

I love the new bonnet thats on bumblebee :bow:

[Tre-Cool]

I love the new bonnet thats on bumblebee :bow:
ohh yeah, i wouldnt mind one on my ve.

yum yum

[Speedy Gonzales]

I just watched this review on Jay Lenos Garage online, very impressive

YouTube - Jay Leno's Garage - Chevrolet Camaro SS (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDhtHJNpwgc)

Interesting feedback and reaction to the the ZR1 and GTR too

ZR1
YouTube - Jay Leno's Garage - Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpunhO_bBe8)

GTR
YouTube - Jay Leno's Garage - Nissan GT-R (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSzNE17f1PY)

[V-Car]

I just watched this review on Jay Lenos Garage online, very impressive

Pity though that he says it's based on the old Monaro/GTO platform! :eek:

I guess he's not as clued up as he would like to think.

[chevypower]

Not that the Mustang is doing badly, seen a few 2010's on the road already. I am sure they will pick up even more when the 5.0 Coyote V8 comes out. I would go the 6.2 Camaro though, i am sure. (If I was in the market for a pony car).

Pity though that he says it's based on the old Monaro/GTO platform! :eek:

I guess he's not as clued up as he would like to think.
Jay Leno knows his stuff, he was likely going by what someone from GM told him.

[QIKMIK]

Watched some Nationwide Series NASCAR yesterday on OneHD. The Camaro pace cars look hot!!

Mick

[vx_clubby]

Hopefully we can see a few Camaro's getting around the streets soon, they are a tough looking car.

[Excellent]

Jay Leno knows his stuff, he was likely going by what someone from GM told him.

If he was really interested, he'd do his own research.

[chevypower]

If he was really interested, he'd do his own research.
In his defense, you put a lot of thought in to Australian Holdens... that is one platform (more or less one car) to invest your knowledge and interest. If he was a Holden nut, you would expect him to know the most minute details about them. So you are probably going to know more about that one car than Jay Leno does. All the other 5 billion cars in Jay Leno's garage though... I would put my money on Leno. He is usually pretty thorough when he tells you the origins of even some vintage cars or steam powered cars, his knowledge actually impresses me. I am sure Jeremy Clarkson has made a few errors when talking about the Holdens too. What are you going to do when you don't know they are not on the same platform and some spokesperson from GM (probably Obama :-) ) tells you that it is. You would probably assume they were giving you accurate information.

[planetdavo]

Nice to see GM having a bit of positive news in the US for a change...
Hopefully GM can leverage this and spread a positive vibe over the organisation, God they need it
Surely people would only buy a Mustang over a Camaro based on it's image.
Can't believe they still stick an EA Falcon taxi spec live axle under them, with the Camaro having complex VE multi link rear suspension, and (correct me if I'm wrong) the Dodge having a superceded E class Mercedes chassis.

[Tyre biter]

Surely people would only buy a Mustang over a Camaro based on it's image.
Can't believe they still stick an EA Falcon taxi spec live axle under them, with the Camaro having complex VE multi link rear suspension, and (correct me if I'm wrong) the Dodge having a superceded E class Mercedes chassis.

Neither would I PD, but like Grandpa's axe, the live axle used in the Mustang seems (by most reports) to be up to all the fancy stuff in equivalent type vehicles. I guess Ford have it well and truly sorted, and the whole live rear axle versus IRS debate reminds of the techno-files that constantly bang on about. You know the line, something to the effect of push-rods being prehistoric stuff in comparison to OHC & MV applications. Just like the OHC brigade, whilst multi-link IRS seems to have it on paper, often the reality is the differences are indiscernible in the real world.

Whilst I have read some poor reports on the Stang's rear suspension, many of the more discerning journo's have commented on how good it was especially with regard to what they expected.

Cheers, TB

[Yellayute]

Story in Gympie Times newspaper 27/06/09 that Performax International (old Corvette Queensland) will be bringing them into the country.Compliance conversion , then sales to the public of rhd cars near the end of the year.

[mustanger]

Story in Gympie Times newspaper 27/06/09 that Performax International (old Corvette Queensland) will be bringing them into the country.Compliance conversion , then sales to the public of rhd cars near the end of the year.

Yeah that is true, but for $160K :doh:

[Excellent]

Neither would I PD, but like Grandpa's axe, the live axle used in the Mustang seems (by most reports) to be up to all the fancy stuff in equivalent type vehicles. I guess Ford have it well and truly sorted, and the whole live rear axle versus IRS debate reminds of the techno-files that constantly bang on about. You know the line, something to the effect of push-rods being prehistoric stuff in comparison to OHC & MV applications. Just like the OHC brigade, whilst multi-link IRS seems to have it on paper, often the reality is the differences are indiscernible in the real world.

Whilst I have read some poor reports on the Stang's rear suspension, many of the more discerning journo's have commented on how good it was especially with regard to what they expected.

Cheers, TB

I agree. How can anybody be too critical when a pushrod engine powers an IRS chassis and a DOHC engine powers a LRA chassis?

[BA$TAD]

I'd more interested if it can sustain the sales numbers over a period of say 6 - 12 months.

[nang3]

I'll take either very happily in either silver/black/yellow/red, in RHD and at a ****ing sane price compared to what the yanks pay thanks !!

both very horn cars but gimme a black camaro with silver stripes anyday!

[gmack]

I agree. How can anybody be too critical when a pushrod engine powers an IRS chassis and a DOHC engine powers a LRA chassis?

Because an LS pushrod engine doesn't weigh 100 tonnes and all that unsprung weight of a lve rear will make a huge differance everywhere except the smoothest of roads.

[planetdavo]

Because an LS pushrod engine doesn't weigh 100 tonnes and all that unsprung weight of a lve rear will make a huge differance everywhere except the smoothest of roads.
100% correct.
I have a story here on a supercharged version, and it basically states the handling borders on diabolical when the roads aren't PERFECT!!!


I agree. How can anybody be too critical when a pushrod engine powers an IRS chassis and a DOHC engine powers a LRA chassis?
Because sometimes "technology" has fantastic benefits (VE multi link irs vs VL Turbo live axle handling :eek:), and sometimes "technology" is far less than the sum of it's parts (Boss motor vs "low tech" LS motors-LS has better performance, better economy and 100kg less weight).
:)

[Excellent]

Guess I was too quick to shoot. Points noted. :yup:

[Ghia351]

Guess I was too quick to shoot. Points noted. :yup:Actually in this Motor Trend comparo the difference is (suprisingly) very little:

During our post-drive discussions, our consensus was that the Mustang rules for steering feel and responsiveness, but the Camaro feels more mature and refined. You'd be giddy pushing either of these two through a mountain pass, and if the road were smooth the Mustang GT might have an edge. But for all-around prowess and stability, the Camaro SS has the advantage. Frankly, though, we're amazed at how close the real-world-handling comparison turned out. Sorry, Hatfields and McCoys: No huge winner here. Both Mustang GT and Camaro SS tackle mountain roads superbly.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0903_2010_chevrolet_camaro_ss_vs_2009_dodge_ch allenger_rt_vs_2010_ford_mustang_gt/test_numbers.html

[planetdavo]

Actually in this Motor Trend comparo the difference is (suprisingly) very little:

Until that big, heavy axle hits some ripples in the middle of a corner when under power...:eyes:

[chevypower]

100% correct.
I have a story here on a supercharged version, and it basically states the handling borders on diabolical when the roads aren't PERFECT!!!


Because sometimes "technology" has fantastic benefits (VE multi link irs vs VL Turbo live axle handling :eek:), and sometimes "technology" is far less than the sum of it's parts (Boss motor vs "low tech" LS motors-LS has better performance, better economy and 100kg less weight).
:)

I am not surprised you didn't mention the VR-VX IRS. I would rather the EF Falcon live axle. I had a VT when I lived in Melbourne, and thought the suspension was completely crap. But at the time Holden could say "we have IRS, and Ford doesn't". And it sold cars. I don't think anyone should buy a car based on specs, but on the experience. Especially a car like a pony car, which one puts a bigger smile on your face?

[Tyre biter]

100% correct.
I have a story here on a supercharged version, and it basically states the handling borders on diabolical when the roads aren't PERFECT!!!

As did Clarkson, who for example shit-canned one version (The Shelby I think it was) but then he drove another derivative and found its handling, and indeed the whole package to be f.a.b. from memory (not Ferrari-esque but pretty bloody good and a lot of fun). So again, like you said it comes down to the sum of the parts and from many reports a number of them are equal to comparable cars with more advanced suspensions simply because they are well understood, the suspension/entire package is considered as opposed to merely concentrating on the size of the number affixed to the boot and because it actually works better than it ought to, ie: push-rods.


...I don't think anyone should buy a car based on specs, but on the experience. Especially a car like a pony car, which one puts a bigger smile on your face?

Exactly. IMO a pony/muscle car's ability to make one feel and grin like a six year old is entirely their function. I barely drive my SSV at all, and I can tell you that despite this car being a long way from perfect, when I turn the key and move it from the garage, the grin on my face is huge, makes e feel like I am getting away with something and all of its foilbles are forgotten/forgiven :)

Cheers, TB

[ATOMIC MALOO R8]

Story in Gympie Times newspaper 27/06/09 that Performax International (old Corvette Queensland) will be bringing them into the country.Compliance conversion , then sales to the public of rhd cars near the end of the year.

I HOPE they do a better job on the conversion then they did on on my 96 vet roadster had 12000 miles on the clock sold it after two years due to wiringing probs and things that didnt work :flipoff:

[SharkBiscuit]

Hopefully we can see a few Camaro's getting around the streets soon, they are a tough looking car.

I saw a blue one going down power st towards crown casino in Melb the other morning. Go so distracted I forgot to check out if it was RHD or not...

[V-Car]

I HOPE they do a better job on the conversion then they did on on my 96 vet roadster had 12000 miles on the clock sold it after two years due to wiringing probs and things that didnt work :flipoff:

Performax must be laughing all the way to the bank at GM's decision not to build RHD versions!

They get to charge almost double what it would have cost in a Holden showroom for a car nowhere near as good as an original factory built RHD vehicle.