Holden Cruze CD Diesel - What are they worth?

[smokiebbear]

So tomorrow my missus and I will be heading down to the Holden dealership to negotiate the purchase of a new Holden Cruze. Does anyone have any inside info on how much these things must be sold for in order for Holden to make a profit? They want mid 29k on road for the CD diesel auto model with 16 inch steelies and no fog lights. I'm thinking thats ok ..... but i'd like fog lights, 17's and floormats and i'd say we have a deal at that price otherwise i'm happy to not purchase one.

They don't come with fog lights as an option on the diesel model however the rep I have spoken with advised that they could sort something out in relation to that and i'm not asking for some super special 17's I just want the ones that come on the CDX model.

The main things I want are ....

17's
Fogs
Floormats

Now these are advertised at mid 29k rrp in auto (must be auto - missus can't drive manual) and they want 2k for the 17's and probably 500 + for the fogs and i'd say a few hundred for the floormats.

Do you think what i'm asking for is reasonable?

The budget is 30k and insurance is $8-$900 so i'd say we have 29k to spend on the car.

Anyone here work for Holden and is prepared to let me know what I could negotiate this model down to without the options or if what i'm asking sounds fair?

If your not happy to post on open forum then please pm me.

cheers - Matt

[redvxr8clubby]

I don't work for Holden or a dealer, I have seen on Carsales one dealer advertising a petrol Cruze for $22,990 driveaway ($1000 less than Holden's RRP), diesel is a $3K option and auto is $2K, so that's about $28K if CDX wheels and tyres are $2K plus fogs and mats, your probably looking a bit over $30K da. If you can forgo the 17's and replace the 16 inch steels with 16 inch alloys, (using same tyres) you might save some bucks, but the CDX 17's will surely look better. Considering the spend you are looking at to add the 17's and the foggies, it's a real shame Holden don't do a CDX diesel.

[Black AH CDX]

I reckon you will find a dealer who may throw in the foggies and the mats, but not the 17's. Cruze's are selling really well for Holden, and they don't need to discount them to sell them. I've heard some models are out to a waiting time til November already!

Good Luck ;-)

[smokiebbear]

it's a real shame Holden don't do a CDX diesel.

Exactly ... hence why i'm having to try an negotiate something similar as we are only interested in the diesel model.

cheers - matt

[HOTSV8]

Von Bibra's at Tweed are having a "sale" this weekend , not sure if the other Von Bibra's up your way are also . Might be worth a visit ?

[smokiebbear]

I reckon you will find a dealer who may throw in the foggies and the mats, but not the 17's. Cruze's are selling really well for Holden, and they don't need to discount them to sell them. I've heard some models are out to a waiting time til November already!

Good Luck ;-)

Thats what the dealer told us however we can get an i30 with fogs and alloys for less and we are prepared to do that with the added bonus of a 5 year warranty for the Hyundai i30 vs Holdens 3 year warranty and we also have the option to buy one from Keema Hyundai (40 mins drive away) with an extra 3 years warranty so thats 8 years warranty for the Hyundai in total vs 3 years for the Holden Cruze.

They may be selling well however the bottom line is we are ready to sign straight away or walk across the road to Hyundai and sign there instead. We are going in with funds fully approved from the bank and only need a dealer invoice to finalise it.

cheers - matt


Von Bibra's at Tweed are having a "sale" this weekend , not sure if the other Von Bibra's up your way are also . Might be worth a visit ?

We are looking at Von Bibra@Robina currently :D So thats good news

[Dover]

Contact DALER he works at tweed holden

[SS Enforcer]

Do you think the cruze is as good as an i30 ?

cheers

[Martin_D]

Daewoo have rarely made a car to the quality of Hyundai. Not 10 years ago, and unless something major has changed, not now. Smokie has all the boxes ticked in the Hyundais favour, but knows if he buys the Hyundai he will be ostricised here, but with the Daewoo, since it has a Holden badge, he can feel free to post without ridicule :) (is there any other logical reason?)

The answer is a definite no brainer :lol:

[smokiebbear]

Contact DALER he works at tweed holden

I will try and contact him today.


Do you think the cruze is as good as an i30 ?

cheers

Personally I don't however my missus is paying for it so ultimately the decision is hers. I think she likes the Cruze because it's a little larger, she likes the i30 also but not in the sportswagon version.


Daewoo have rarely made a car to the quality of Hyundai. Not 10 years ago, and unless something major has changed, not now. Smokie has all the boxes ticked in the Hyundais favour, but knows if he buys the Hyundai he will be ostricised here, but with the Daewoo, since it has a Holden badge, he can feel free to post without ridicule :) (is there any other logical reason?)

The answer is a definite no brainer :lol:

100% Spot on! I am trying to swing the minority vote (mine) toward the i30. We are leaving now for test drives on both in auto guize. Should have a decision by days end. However it may take me a few days/weeks to negotiate on price.

I really want the i30 as I know I can have you tune it :D

cheers - Matt

[Martin_D]

Good thinking Smoker!
Put aside any feeling or sentiment that the Cruze is a Holden. Its a Korean Daewoo Lacetti, and as Aussie as Kim-Chee Beef Noodle (actually that sounds alright). Make it a straight out Korean dog fight :)

[patto]

the Cruze may be built in Korea, but it was designed and developed in Germany which is light years to past Korean efforts that were designed in Korea

no different to Ford's small cars that are designed in Germany but built in Thailand and South Africa

[SS Enforcer]

I'm glad i'm not the only one that thinks the I30 is probably the pick of it's class. I had a sit in one last week and after speaking to the security guard who drives it became convinced it was a good bit of gear.

Now to pry the wife out of her Astra for an I30. :)

cheers

[WOT]

Patto is bang on. The i30 was a big leap forward for Hyundai and a nice enough car, but the cruze is something else all together. Anyway, a test drive should convince you one way or the other...

[patto]

the I30 is probably the pick of it's class.

if you want the pick of the class that would be the Mazda 3 :)

[V-Car]

the Cruze may be built in Korea, but it was designed and developed in Germany which is light years to past Korean efforts that were designed in Korea

You've been to the planettool finishing school also 'if you keep saying it often enough, the great unwashed will end up believing it'.

While the Cruze may be built on de-contented and cheapened version of the Delta II, thats where the connection to Germany ends.
The rest is pure low rent Daewoo, designed down to a price but with goodies added to try to make them desirable.
Opel Astra on Delta and Cruze on Delta are two entirely different beasts, and Opel would never put their name to a Daewoo like this.
Thats why its sold in Europe (and developing countries) as a Chevrolet, and that isnt saying alot for Chevrolet.

[falcom]

I think Holden have missed the price point with the Cruze.
Considering the other Korean offerings(Kia & Hyundai) are selling for under $20k drive away(manual & petrol versions) with 5 year warranty.That is over $4k cheaper than a Cruze.

They may sell well for first few months as they are the new kid on the block but after the honeymoon period they are going to have to drop the price to move them considering in all the road tests I have read the Kia & Hyundai are just as good if not better.

[WOT]

Been in one V-Car? I had my doubts too but they are very impressive. Could not believe they were replacing the AH Astra with a "Daewoo", but it's up to the task.

[V-Car]

I think Holden have missed the price point with the Cruze.
Considering the other Korean offerings(Kia & Hyundai) are selling for under $20k drive away(manual & petrol versions) with 5 year warranty.That is over $4k cheaper than a Cruze.


And therein lies the crunch, the i30 is more expensive than the Lacetti (Cruze) in Korea. The top model Lacetti there is AU$17,000.
Why the opposite here? :rolleyes:


Been in one V-Car? I had my doubts too but they are very impressive. Could not believe they were replacing the AH Astra with a "Daewoo", but it's up to the task.

Yes, both the petrol and diesel.

[Martin_D]

the Cruze may be built in Korea, but it was designed and developed in Germany

Gotta love that :lol:
Sorry....its got almost 100% pure South Korean DNA running through its veins. Cruze is not an Opel, its not a Holden, its a Daewoo Lacetti :cool:

i30 is still good, even two years down the track.....says something, and when equipped in CRDi guise its also class leading :bow:

[patto]

Sorry....its got almost 100% pure South Korean DNA running through its veins. Cruze is not an Opel, its not a Holden, its a Daewoo Lacetti :cool:

sorry....no its not :rofl:

http://www.webwombat.com.au/motoring/news_reports/chevrolet-holden-cruze.htm

Compared to the Viva, the Chevrolet Cruze shows off a much bolder, more contemporary design that was conceived South Korea with input from GM's German establishments.

how about everyone get over this Korean thing, we all know Korea now build great cars, i'd be more worried about cars coming out of India and China and Taiwon

[V-Car]

sorry....no its not :rofl:

Yes it is.

GM's own press release about the Daewoo Lacetti.
http://media.gm.com/servlet/GatewayServlet?target=http://image.emerald.gm.com/gmnews/viewpressreldetail.do?domain=56&docid=50628

The base vehicle architecture (Delta II) was developed in Europe and its design and engineering were completed in Korea.

There you have it, straight from the horses mouth.
"Design and engineering were completed in Korea."

[HOWQUICK]

having owned a CDX for a month or so now (2000km), the Mrs loves it. The build is good and nothing has fallen off it yet and everything still works so far.

Korean? So what? Most of everything in OEM is Chinese etc now days so who care? It is a commuter with heaps of bling and miles in front of the Jap stuff in price and style. We looked around for ages.... the Carollas are nanas cars they are so boring, the Mazda 3 is great but over $30k with the same appointments. So we went the cheapy. Got White so it doesn't turn to shit like every other Korean matallic around. Get 3 years out of it and piss it off.

[spookware]

Koreans eat dogs, therefore I would not buy one.

[HOWQUICK]

Koreans eat dogs, therefore I would not buy one.

and Japs eat whales, Chinese eat anything and milk bile from bears....the point?:confused:

[Tre-Cool]

and Japs eat whales, Chinese eat anything and milk bile from bears....the point?:confused:
i think he just wanted to show his stupidity.

[SS Enforcer]

i think he just wanted to show his stupidity.

If that was his purpose he succeded wonderfully :goodjob:

cheers

[smokiebbear]

Ok so after test driving them both ....... we decided on the Cruze.

Now not having driven or been in either before today I went into the whole thing with an open mind however I was leaning quite heavily toward the i30.

Now I did not drive either of the vehicles I was back seat passenger for both tests and hands down it was an easy win for the Cruze from my position.

The i30 felt slow on takeoff and nowhere near as punchy through the rev range and the suspension didn't feel as nice. Due to it only being a 4 speed also it sits around 2100rpm + and most of her driving iis on the highway. She advised me she felt like it had poor visability when checking over her shoulder a very small rear window made it hard for her to see out of the rear vision mirror.

The Cruze was quick off the mark and ready to go straight out of the box (I could feel this just from being a passenger). The suspension soaked up all the bumps but was still nice and firm and the ride from the back seat was very comfortable + the 6 speed auto was smooth on its shifts and the gearing is great with it sitting under 1900rpm on the highway and she had no issues with shoulder checking and visability out of the rear view mirror

My missus thought the i30 was "ok" and absolutly loved the Cruze. She advised that after driving both she felt the Cruze was clearly the better of the two vehicles and she loved how it handled etc etc. The Cruze has a decent sized boot and due to the fact we want kids soon it's certainly an added bonus (for prams and kids stuff etc). I felt the only things letting it down was the fact it only has steelies (i'll buy some alloys for it when we pick it up) and it doesn't have climate control :(

The big plus for the Cruze was the boot space, the bigger engine and no issues with her being able to see out the rear window etc.

We signed the papers and put in the order for a Moroccan Blue, 6 Speed Auto, 2.0l Turbo Diesel.

Would like to give a big thanks to DALER who helped us get in for a test drive with 20 mins notice on their biggest sales day of the year. :goodjob:

We don't know when the delivery date will be but have been advised it could be between 1-3 months :bawl:

Future plans and mods will be ...

Tinted Windows
17 or 18 inch rims
Street Tuna tune (pm me Tuna when this becomes available)
Lowering (Once we move from our current property as the driveway here is sh!t and even at a stock height it will struggle to get in the drive)

cheers - Matt

[lowriding]

i30 is now way off the pace , the cruze whips it in every department ..... hyundai made an impression when it was introduced but that was then . Actually Wheels had an 11 car comparo in the last issue if your interested .. i30 came 10th / 11 .



edit :-

Their exact Order of merit was :
1.Golf Tsi Trendline,
2.Mazda3 maxx,
3.focus,
4.cruze,
5.impreza rx,
6.lancer vr ,
7.civic Vti-l ,
8.Kia cerato,
9.Corolla Ascent,
10.i30,
11.nissan Tiida .
The only real complaint with the cruze was the snoozy petrol engine, your getting the diesel so happy days a great vehicle there .I'd agree with wheels in general except like many others i think the focus is dull and an aged design inside and out , so if you are not going to buy the VW or mazda and given it's price advantage it's no surprise /no brainer that the cruze is selling its tits off at the moment.

[A^K^T]

Ok so after test driving them both ....... we decided on the Cruze.

Now not having driven or been in either before today I went into the whole thing with an open mind however I was leaning quite heavily toward the i30.

Now I did not drive either of the vehicles I was back seat passenger for both tests and hands down it was an easy win for the Cruze from my position.

The i30 felt slow on takeoff and nowhere near as punchy through the rev range and the suspension didn't feel as nice. Due to it only being a 4 speed also it sits around 2100rpm + and most of her driving iis on the highway. She advised me she felt like it had poor visability when checking over her shoulder a very small rear window made it hard for her to see out of the rear vision mirror.

The Cruze was quick off the mark and ready to go straight out of the box (I could feel this just from being a passenger). The suspension soaked up all the bumps but was still nice and firm and the ride from the back seat was very comfortable + the 6 speed auto was smooth on its shifts and the gearing is great with it sitting under 1900rpm on the highway and she had no issues with shoulder checking and visability out of the rear view mirror

My missus thought the i30 was "ok" and absolutly loved the Cruze. She advised that after driving both she felt the Cruze was clearly the better of the two vehicles and she loved how it handled etc etc. The Cruze has a decent sized boot and due to the fact we want kids soon it's certainly an added bonus (for prams and kids stuff etc). I felt the only things letting it down was the fact it only has steelies (i'll buy some alloys for it when we pick it up) and it doesn't have climate control :(

The big plus for the Cruze was the boot space, the bigger engine and no issues with her being able to see out the rear window etc.

We signed the papers and put in the order for a Moroccan Blue, 6 Speed Auto, 2.0l Turbo Diesel.

Would like to give a big thanks to DALER who helped us get in for a test drive with 20 mins notice on their biggest sales day of the year. :goodjob:

We don't know when the delivery date will be but have been advised it could be between 1-3 months :bawl:

Future plans and mods will be ...

Tinted Windows
17 or 18 inch rims
Street Tuna tune (pm me Tuna when this becomes available)
Lowering (Once we move from our current property as the driveway here is sh!t and even at a stock height it will struggle to get in the drive)

cheers - Matt

The point that you made about " poor visibility when checking over her shoulder " is interesting as i have had two I30's nearly run into me when changing lane in front of me , once in my ute and once on my bike .

[X BC X]

i admit i wasnt a fan when the cruze was released.
but after seeing a few in the flesh, they are really starting to impress me.
this number dressed in grey looks smart as.

http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/dealer/carsales/17190291.jpg

sounds like a great platform for holden to build from.....would really like to see some concept torana-esque styling come thru with the next locally designed model.

good buy smokie, enjoy

bc

[redvxr8clubby]

For the Cruze to come 4th given 1st and 2nd are well and truly occupied by Golf and Mazda 3 isn't a bad effort, the Golf especially isn't cheap. I was thinking a diesel Cruze should be a pretty good thing (torque is pretty near to a Commodore 6, and considering the narrow torque band of a diesel, a 6 speed auto, should be an excellent combo. Pity the price is then getting up near $30K, and still not a CDX. Smokie, did they give you anything off RRP?

[smokiebbear]

For the Cruze to come 4th given 1st and 2nd are well and truly occupied by Golf and Mazda 3 isn't a bad effort, the Golf especially isn't cheap. I was thinking a diesel Cruze should be a pretty good thing (torque is pretty near to a Commodore 6, and considering the narrow torque band of a diesel, a 6 speed auto, should be an excellent combo. Pity the price is then getting up near $30K, and still not a CDX. Smokie, did they give you anything off RRP?

Yes we got quite a good deal off rrp and we got them to throw in some Floor Mats too :D

[Martin_D]

i30 is now way off the pace , the cruze whips it in every department ..... hyundai made an impression when it was introduced but that was then . Actually Wheels had an 11 car comparo in the last issue if your interested .. i30 came 10th / 11 .

Read the comparo again, that was the petrol i30...they said in their breakout the CRDi version may well have been up the pointy end :)
Regardless both the turbo diesel i30 and Cruze use a similar management system and in this day and age command the extra torque in the PCM and they will gain +20kw and +50Nm :cool:

This is something only the true Bosch tuner, real tuner guys can do :bow:

[smokiebbear]

Read the comparo again, that was the petrol i30...they said in their breakout the CRDi version may well have been up the pointy end :)
Regardless both the turbo diesel i30 and Cruze use a similar management system and in this day and age command the extra torque in the PCM and they will gain +20kw and +50Nm :cool:

This is something only the true Bosch tuner, real tuner guys can do :bow:

Tuna as soon as you have this option available to tune these things put me down for 1, I'm quite excited to see how they will go with a little tweek :D

cheers - Matt

[Hamico]

Interesting to see preconceptions of the Cruze change when people go into a comparo with an open mind, take one for a test drive, and then come out the other end with a completely different opinion on the Cruze that's positive.

If the i30 is rated the best small car under $30,000 and opinions are swinging in favour of the Cruze, then that makes the Cruze up there as the best small car on the market...:goodjob:

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[redvxr8clubby]

Hey smokiebbear - checkout this thread - VESportswagon20 says Holden will be doing a CDX version of the diesel Cruze soon. Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=123280)

[smokiebbear]

Hey smokiebbear - checkout this thread - VESportswagon20 says Holden will be doing a CDX version of the diesel Cruze soon. http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=123280

Thanks, I actually got the heads up a few days ago but the only thing on the CDX that we were interested in was the 17 inch alloys and the fog lights. I'll be purchasing the fog lights seperatly and i'm just going to buy some aftermarket 18's for it as it will work out much cheaper in the long run. My girlfriend doesn't like leather and we live in Qld so no need for heated seats etc which were the other major options it had.

cheers - Matt

[redvxr8clubby]

cool - I guess if your not keen on the leather, and the 18's will no doubt look even more outstanding than the 17's, it's an easier decision - can after market foggies (or accessory foggies from the dealer) be nicely integrated into the car?

[smokiebbear]

cool - I guess if your not keen on the leather, and the 18's will no doubt look even more outstanding than the 17's, it's an easier decision - can after market foggies (or accessory foggies from the dealer) be nicely integrated into the car?

Yes. The dealer can supply the fogs for around $500 as an option (that would include install also I believe) and factory switches.

I'll probably get it done there later or I may just do it myself.

cheers - Matt

[VX2VESS]

Bit late now but i30 seems to win all the awards for a good value package.

The diesel manuals seem to get along alright and use bugger all fuel i know a few with them and have driven them. good little daily driver...good warranty etc
They seem very reliable more so than any model Holden. has to be the best small car value package, yes mazda 3 are good but also much more expensive, love the sporty version and they go well but what are they $40K...... Hyundai is on par with Jap quality (small cheaper cars) now..

but rebadged Daewoo dunno, they could be better quality now but that remains to be seen.

[smokiebbear]

Bit late now but i30 seems to win all the awards for a good value package.

The diesel manuals seem to get along alright and use bugger all fuel i know a few with them and have driven them. good little daily driver...good warranty etc
They seem very reliable more so than any model Holden. has to be the best small car value package, yes mazda 3 are good but also much more expensive, love the sporty version and they go well but what are they $40K...... Hyundai is on par with Jap quality (small cheaper cars) now..

but rebadged Daewoo dunno, they could be better quality now but that remains to be seen.

The i30 was part of a 2 billion $ worldwide development and most of it was done in Germany.

The Cruze was part of a 4 billion $ worldwide development undertaken in about 7 or 10 countries from what I have read and is hardly a rebadged Daewoo, yes it's made there however but is made to GM standards which will be exactly the same when made here in Oz.

After being in both I can honestly say hands down the Cruze feels like a better car and is bigger than the i30 which is a major plus for why we brought it (we didn't want the i30 wagon).

It's hard to compare the 2 cars however I really don't feel there is much of a comparison between them or that they should even be in the same class as the i30 is a small car and the Cruze is a mid sized car.

The problem is with the Cruze and i30 is that it seems as they are comparing apples with oranges and after having been in both the Cruze gets a big thumbs up and the i30 was a bit of a letdown considering all the rave about it and the awards it has recieved although I haven't driven either but could feel the big difference even from the passenger seat. This was the exact same feelings my girlfriend had with the 2 of them and she drove them both :D

cheers - matt

[sandmanls1]

we have had two to evaluate a diesel auto and petrol auto CDX. Holden has done a great job with the exterior and interior and pricing and specs compared to the others. The i30 goes well with the diesel but desperately needs another gear or two and the interior in SX form is more basic. On most other base models you need to option up the safety packs and cruise etc plus no audio controls on the steering wheel. Anyone know of any issues so far, apparently they have already done an update on the auto trans.

[planetdavo]

Certain vehicles had the odd issue with shift timing and smoothness. A reflash was quickly released, and is meant to be done before delivery, unless it was a super early version that was sold before this fix came out.

[redvxr8clubby]

Bit late now but i30 seems to win all the awards for a good value package.

The diesel manuals seem to get along alright and use bugger all fuel i know a few with them and have driven them. good little daily driver...good warranty etc
They seem very reliable more so than any model Holden. has to be the best small car value package, yes mazda 3 are good but also much more expensive, love the sporty version and they go well but what are they $40K...... Hyundai is on par with Jap quality (small cheaper cars) now..

but rebadged Daewoo dunno, they could be better quality now but that remains to be seen.

I don't think pricing is that far apart, a base Cruze is $20,990 plus on roads, a base Mazda3 is $21,990. You could get into a feature comparison, but to get yourself into the base car, Mazda is only $1000 more - Mazda at least has 2 litre over Cruze 1.8. $1000 is less than 5% of cost of car - probably 4% of drive away price. The Cruze in diesel form would be good value if your preference /budget is for the base car, and you are keen on a diesel.

[planetdavo]

I don't think pricing is that far apart, a base Cruze is $20,990 plus on roads, a base Mazda3 is $21,990. You could get into a feature comparison, but to get yourself into the base car, Mazda is only $1000 more - Mazda at least has 2 litre over Cruze 1.8. $1000 is less than 5% of cost of car - probably 4% of drive away price.
You could say the same about a Corolla too. You say we "could" get into a feature comparison, and yes we should, as most buyers actually do that! Then, once you've factored in standard (Cruze) equipment vs optional (Mazda 3/Corolla etc) equipment, that is where the gap widens significantly.

[Hamico]

Hey smokie, you paid for that daewoo cruze yet ? :lmao:

God it's like watching grass grow....:nopity:


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[spookware]

So you bought the 4th placed car, well done.

[smokiebbear]

Hey smokie, you paid for that daewoo cruze yet ? :lmao:

God it's like watching grass grow....:nopity:


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The GM Cruze you mean? No I have put down a deposit and the rest will be paid once it arrives in October.

[falcom]

What have people been paying for Manual CDX Petrol??

[smokiebbear]

What have people been paying for Manual CDX Petrol??

Not sure but I negotiated 2k off rrp and got floor mats and a tank of juice for the CD diesel auto even though there is still a 4 month wait.

cheers - Matt

[simister]

Full tank is standard. $2K - they've got a tonne of room to move! P.S you should've waited!


I don't work for Holden or a dealer, I have seen on Carsales one dealer advertising a petrol Cruze for $22,990 driveaway ($1000 less than Holden's RRP), diesel is a $3K option and auto is $2K, so that's about $28K if CDX wheels and tyres are $2K plus fogs and mats, your probably looking a bit over $30K da. If you can forgo the 17's and replace the 16 inch steels with 16 inch alloys, (using same tyres) you might save some bucks, but the CDX 17's will surely look better. Considering the spend you are looking at to add the 17's and the foggies, it's a real shame Holden don't do a CDX diesel.

GM do produce CDX diesel but it has not yet been released in AUS as they didn't want to push the price barrier of $30K.
I'm personally getting a CDX diesel - drove the petrol and its got no power at all. So I arranged to order CDX diesel 2.0L - as it has an Epica engine it goes quite well.

[smokiebbear]

Full tank is standard. $2K - they've got a tonne of room to move! P.S you should've waited!



GM do produce CDX diesel but it has not yet been released in AUS as they didn't want to push the price barrier of $30K.
I'm personally getting a CDX diesel - drove the petrol and its got no power at all. So I arranged to order CDX diesel 2.0L - as it has an Epica engine it goes quite well.

They may have more room to move however we are happy with the price.

Wait for what? We want the car now, there is a 4 month wait, we got 2k of rrp + floor mats + a tank of juice. The only thing that will happen with the near future is that the Cruze will go up in price once the economy recovers.

As stated we didn't want CDX we dont need fogs (however fogs look better), reverse sensors ( i have eyes), heated seats (average of 20C all year round up here) or 17 inch alloys (pick up a set of 19's for half that price) and the missus hates leather seats as they get bloody hot up here in summer. We live on the Gold Coast and none of that would be useful or necessary.

Cheers - Matt

[VECALAISV8]

These cars look the goods, its just a shame they are Daewoos.. Having seen what happens to Daewoos after a few years I'll sit on the fence and wait patiently to see what happens.. The AH Astra is a bloody good car, and will be hard to beat as far as build / longitivity go.

[V-Car]

they've got a tonne of room to move!

Sure do!
The top model Daewoo Lacetti (Cruze) in Korea is only AU$17k. Base model under AU$12k.
Thats retail, so what does Holden pay GMDAT ex-factory?

[smokiebbear]

Sure do!
The top model Daewoo Lacetti (Cruze) in Korea is only AU$17k. Base model under AU$12k.
Thats retail, so what does Holden pay GMDAT ex-factory?

We also have a better economy here and unfortunatly we have been getting shafted on new car prices for years :bawl:

Look at the corvette for example

http://www.chevrolet.com/pages/open/default/family/corvette.do


Corvette Coupe

MSRP:1 Starting at $48,565

Standard 430-hp LS3 V8 engine
Standard removable roof panel
Available Bluetooth® wireless technology2 for select compatible phones3
Build Your Own Request a Quote

corvette convertible MSRP:1

Starting at $53,220 One of the most powerful convertibles on the landscape.4

Standard 430-hp LS3 V8 engine
Available power top3
Fully enclosed trunk carries two golf bags
Build Your Own Request a Quote

Corvette z06 MSRP:1

Starting at $73,925 Codeveloped with the C6.R Corvette race car.

505-hp 7.0 Liter LS7 V8 engine
A litany of racing technology
Excellent power-to-weight ratio
198-mph test-track top speed
Build Your Own Request a Quote

Corvette zr1 MSRP:1 Starting at $103,970 A stunning benchmark in Corvette performance.

Standard 638-hp 6.2 Liter LS9 supercharged V8 engine
Massive Brembo® carbon ceramic brakes
205-mph test-track top speed


Yet we pay well in excess off 200k if we want one at our door. Considering the dollar is circa 80c to their $1 we should only be paying 120k for a zr1

cheers -Matt

[csv rulz]

Hey mate, keen to here if you have picked up the car? what it is like to live with the car? and any pics?

We looked at i30, cerato & cruze for the missus, her thoughts were

130sx - To plain inside, didnt like the back
130CW SLX - was the only i30 she liked but you cannot get them in a manual.

Cerato S - to plain inside
Cerato SLI - looks the goods, loads of equipment for same price as base cruze, 5 yr warranty - but im concerned about resale and how the car will hold up over time

Cruze cd - Step up in quality compared to others, favourite by far, only 3 yr warranty and price getting up a bit.

In saying that we are yet to take any of them on a drive and have only gone around and sat in them. If we can stretch the budget though the missus is very very keen on the cruze

[planetdavo]

These cars look the goods, its just a shame they are Daewoos.. Having seen what happens to Daewoos after a few years I'll sit on the fence and wait patiently to see what happens.. The AH Astra is a bloody good car, and will be hard to beat as far as build / longitivity go.

Personal predjudices like this thankfully haven't slowed Cruze sales.
I'll give you a hint about something though. Euro Opels aren't exactly shining lights of reliability after a few hot summers in Australia my friend...:teach:

[csv rulz]

Personal predjudices like this thankfully haven't slowed Cruze sales.
I'll give you a hint about something though. Euro Opels aren't exactly shining lights of reliability after a few hot summers in Australia my friend...:teach:

We also looked at mazda 3 but price getting up a bit and missus hated smiley face. in my opinion the quality of the interior of the cruze was as good as the mazda 3. the missus also preferred the dash in the cruze by a mile compared to the dash in the astra (which is to busy with all the buttons) the only car she liked over the cruze was a golf which we cannot afford.

[SS Enforcer]

Personal predjudices like this thankfully haven't slowed Cruze sales.
I'll give you a hint about something though. Euro Opels aren't exactly shining lights of reliability after a few hot summers in Australia my friend...:teach:

Bit of a heads up on the opel Davo our AH is 3 1/2 yrs old and has yet to have anything break .... not so much as a light bulb has needed replacing. all we do is service it and it's 55k's now and looks like it will do another 3 1/2 yrs without any misshaps either. It's been the most reliable car I have ever had and the new Astras/Opels I saw in Europe over the last few weeks look very smart indeed. Ours was built in Belgium so maybe that had something to do with it.

cheers

[planetdavo]

Bit of a heads up on the opel Davo our AH is 3 1/2 yrs old and has yet to have anything break .... not so much as a light bulb has needed replacing. all we do is service it and it's 55k's now and looks like it will do another 3 1/2 yrs without any misshaps either. It's been the most reliable car I have ever had and the new Astras/Opels I saw in Europe over the last few weeks look very smart indeed. Ours was built in Belgium so maybe that had something to do with it.

cheers

AH Astra's have been going through heater fans and fan resistors quite a bit, plus they have had a recall for a period of auto radiators. There have also been some cars requiring full replacement engines. There have also been a number requiring new instrument clusters.
They have been better than earlier models, but they are also newer than earlier models. Something worth keeping in mind.
Not meaning to scare you, but they aren't immune to many issues.