A6 or M6 VE SS/SSV your thoughts ?

[alpha1]

G,day everyone

I would like people to throw there opinion about here regarding the M6 vs A6 showdown.

Im a tradie and waiting on my A6 SSV ute to be deliverd, the reason for me picking the Auto was mainly driven by the fact that Sydney peak hour traffic is hectic at the best of times. Whilst it may be fun jumping on and off the clutch whilst the car is new i think eventually it would get on my nerves. The A6 gives me the option of the sports shift for a bit of a weekend squirt and the D for drive for those slow weekday mornings.

M6 -270kw, A6 -260kw.... apparently the A6 is quicker 0-100... and also a tad quicker on the quarter mile... is this true? the dealer told me that the gearing was different in the A6 therefore would go harder.:confused:

What makes things more confusing is when i see dyno results like these 211.5rwkw standard VE SS A6, and 228rwkw standard VE SS M6. This is 16rwkw differance between the two, so how could it possibly be true that the auto is quicker?

The dyno results are at the below website, scroll down to VE commodore
http://www.surefloexhaust.com.au/frame1280x1024.htm

My next dlimea is how can fuel consumption be the same when one vehicle has AFM and the other doesnt?... if both cars were to travel at 110km/hr on a freeway for a given time would there be much of a saving with the cylider shut down system?

I look forward to your input

Cheers

Adam

[UTESRULE]

sorry i dont no about all the other stuff but what did u pick up ur ssv for

cheers

[alpha1]

sorry i dont no about all the other stuff but what did u pick up ur ssv for

cheers


Hi there Utesrule,

SSV UTE A6 My10 $42k driveaway (Sept delivery), the only inclusion i could deal at this price were the ss floor mats.

[Wonky]

G,day everyone

I would like people to throw there opinion about here regarding the M6 vs A6 showdown.

Im a tradie and waiting on my A6 SSV ute to be deliverd, the reason for me picking the Auto was mainly driven by the fact that Sydney peak hour traffic is hectic at the best of times. Whilst it may be fun jumping on and off the clutch whilst the car is new i think eventually it would get on my nerves. The A6 gives me the option of the sports shift for a bit of a weekend squirt and the D for drive for those slow weekday mornings.

M6 -270kw, A6 -260kw.... apparently the A6 is quicker 0-100... and also a tad quicker on the quarter mile... is this true? the dealer told me that the gearing was different in the A6 therefore would go harder.:confused:

What makes things more confusing is when i see dyno results like these 211.5rwkw standard VE SS A6, and 228rwkw standard VE SS M6. This is 16rwkw differance between the two, so how could it possibly be true that the auto is quicker?

The dyno results are at the below website, scroll down to VE commodore
http://www.surefloexhaust.com.au/frame1280x1024.htm

My next dlimea is how can fuel consumption be the same when one vehicle has AFM and the other doesnt?... if both cars were to travel at 110km/hr on a freeway for a given time would there be much of a saving with the cylider shut down system?

I look forward to your input

Cheers

Adam
Hi Adam,

The dealer is talking through his ar$e if he was talking about diff gearing which is the only gearing that really counts in a 6 speed! The A6 have 2.92 diffs and the M6 have 3.45. Lots of people with A6 put in the HSV A6 diff (3.27) or as I recently did a 3.45 diff from an M6. The car feels significantly sharper now though petrol consumption has increased a bit.

If you read in Oztrack’s sponsor’s section he has tuned an AFM A6 and got very good power plus incredible economy too, but he seems to be pretty much ahead of the pack in that respect. The A6 does suck a lot of power if you want to be a dyno queen but on the quarter the A6 is easier to make go consistently fast whereas only really good pedallers can consistently get good times out of an M6. My guess would still be that a good M6 driver will probably be at least as quick as someone in an A6.

Cheers,
Gary

[alpha1]

cheers Gary...thankyou, interesting about the diffs..... are you glad you went down the road of an A6? any regrets?

Thanks

Adam

[Wonky]

Unfortunately due to now being disabled I have no choice but to drive an A6. If I had a choice and did a lot of city driving I'd probably still go A6 but if you don't spend much time in stop-start traffic a manual would be more fun. The A6 as it comes from the factory can leave a lot to be desired if you know what a good box should be like eg. the ZF A6 Ford uses, but the GM A6 can be significantly improved with tweaking (an A6 tune). Can cost you a few hundred but can bring it up to near ZF standard.

[boyley]

Adam, we own an A6 and an M6, and although the M6 is good fun I kinda like jumping back into the A6 for a nice leisurely drive every now and then especially around town, cant beat it.

[SSV8TE]

Gday mate,
im a tradey too mate and i spent the first 12 months of driving my ute with the M6 around both traffic and hyway and if you love ya car enough it dont bother you at all in the stop start stuff.
As said the manuals def produce easier HP at the rear wheels and 16 to 20 rwkw's difference is a lot in comparison.
Lots of people i know say they wished they had got the M6 so choose wisely and think hard about it as once the deal is done Its done.
Best of luck mate,
Andy.

[stu-k]

I went the A6.
Like you the traffic was one reason and also I find that i speed alot more in a manual where as the auto I cruze a bit more. The auto does a few weird ass shifts when your takin it easy, but once the foot goes down a bit alls good.
If it wasnt for traffic and radars I would have a manual but as it is glad i went auto.

[AFAR]

My boss has the A6 on his SS.
He drives in mostly traffic every week-day.
He keeps telling me "I should have got the manual".

I suppose everyone is different when it comes down to this.

I know i wouldn't trade my M6 for an A6, but then again i dont use my car as a daily.

[UTESRULE]

Hi there Utesrule,

SSV UTE A6 My10 $42k driveaway (Sept delivery), the only inclusion i could deal at this price were the ss floor mats.

who from can u say

[Super_Matt]

I traded my M6 SS sedan in for an A6 SSV sportswagon.
I miss my sedan only for the manual box, if i could do it all again I would of got the wagon in a manual. So much more fun to drive

[Smitty]

test drove both A6 and M6.....in sedans (inc an R8) and wagons

...the A6 aint worth the extra money, its still too slow to react
and it picks wrong gears at times (the highly rated F#*d 6 speed auto does this too)

I bought a manual simply coz autos are not good enuff


the only way i would ever consider an auto (anyones auto) is -
I need to spend all my day driving thru the CBD at 10kmh (which i dont) and...
they (anyone car maker) make autos as good as manuals
(even my bosses Maserati Quaddro thingy could do with a manual not paddles )

finally... as I dont give a rats re fuel use.. the AFM thingy
with auto was no winner either

a manual is fun to drive...and I drive my manual wagon everyday to work
and commute between production sites here in Melbourne



my 2c

[RichieRedHotSS]

I bought a Calais V A6 18 months ago and hate the auto. All my previous cars over the past 18 years have been manuals, but I went for the A6 for a change and because I was led to believe it was a great improvement over the old A4. Very disapointed to say the least, back to the M6 when the lease is up on the Calais in another 18 months.

[BlownLS7]

Alpha are you a tradey that needs to speak on the phone alot? ever need to think of other things while driving? trying to look at the sat nav to find your way?
long after the New Car wears out will be the thought of driving a manuel in Peak hour,or a boring A6 on the weekends
do you carry Heavy Loads? trailor? alot more to decide than to worry about 1/4 mile times,
do you realise that the speed you would reach at the 1/4 mile will be 180Klm, where can you do this,both boxes will scare you at WOT.

think of what either will be like at 8 am with 1/2 ton of gear,

cheers paul

[Roonstain]

The A6 is a very confused box in stock form
One thing I like about it though is once tuned it is a completely different beast - and via the tune, you have a say for some of the parameters etc

Since mine was tuned, it is sooooooooooooooooo much better
The AFM is not too bad - it wasn't the reason i bought the car, i got an auto so everyone in the family can drive it and I am lazy! haha
That being said, the AFM gear will be out of my car possibly within the next 12 months, as I plan on doing a cam - to do this effectively, you have to do the cam, springs and lifters (apparently the AFM lifters can only really hand low 500's in lift!!!)

So you could say it is bad, as it means more work
I am thinking positive - I say that it is making sure I do the job right - get the springs, lifters, cam and probably do the heads (as they will have to be off to do the lifters) - gotta find the positives in every situation


At the end of the day it is personal preference

And the price difference is not as large as you would think once you factor in the cost of having to get an aftermarket clutch (because the stock one will sh!t itself)

Good luck with it all
Cheers
Mark

[CV8IIM6]

I've never liked Auto vehicles but went with the A6 because I needed the extra towing capacity to legally tow my boat.

HD towbar max capacity: :teach:
Manual 1800kg
Auto 2100kg

I'm enjoying the extra challenge of tuning the A6 box (which does make a huge difference) and i don't regret the decision at all like i thought i might.

Good luck.

[smokey777]

i went manual as well as i was sick of fookin autos for last 15yrs as ex couldnt drive manual.... but now shes an "ex" a manual i got lol & LOVING it so unless my arm or leg falls off its manuals from now on lol

[WH Captain]

Im a tradie and I went A6 cos im lazy lol and cos the ute just came up - right price right time, so i bought it.

Without a tune it was soooooo sloppy and sluggish, so i cammed it tuned it and have never had a better car.. Small Cam (224) stock stall and stock 2.92s exhaust few other things and im wrapt with it!

Test driving a standard one is a joke.. U need a wrap in a tuned one at least

[alpha1]

Thanks everyone for your input.

Geez im sooo swaying on which way to lean..... I have not owned a manual for several years and I guess my passion for manual driving has somewhat died. I must say though the thing that keeps coming back to me is when I test drove the M6 SSV, the semi retired sales person would have ejected if had half the chance, I wound the thing out and let it rip...it was a heart beating experiance that i have never felt in a car before. Its like a drug I just want another hit of that feeling lol.:yahoo:

This will be the first V8 I have ever owned...and what a great V8 to be first.

The colour I have chosen is Heron white, sounds boring and very commercial but i think it stands nicely in white especially with dark tint and lowered. The strange thing is i rarely see the SSV in white on the road.

Thanks again for your comments everyone. ;)

[UTESRULE]

Im a tradie and I went A6 cos im lazy lol and cos the ute just came up - right price right time, so i bought it.

Without a tune it was soooooo sloppy and sluggish, so i cammed it tuned it and have never had a better car.. Small Cam (224) stock stall and stock 2.92s exhaust few other things and im wrapt with it!

Test driving a standard one is a joke.. U need a wrap in a tuned one at least

what rwkw did u get when tuned and camed does it make the throttle more responsive

[WH Captain]

what rwkw did u get when tuned and camed does it make the throttle more responsive

I made 310RWKW and yeah throttle is way better.. its so snappy compared to my cable throttle LS1 i had (which was cammed and stalled too)..

When i picked it up from WA Perf i couldnt believe it was the same car.. DEF woke her up! Get one! lol

[alpha1]

I made 310RWKW and yeah throttle is way better.. its so snappy compared to my cable throttle LS1 i had (which was cammed and stalled too)..

When i picked it up from WA Perf i couldnt believe it was the same car.. DEF woke her up! Get one! lol


Capt has your fuel consumption gone up considerably since your mods?

[Shulkor]

A6 is a great setup im so happy with it (after it was tuned) my brother has a Manual while it is alittle better fun while going hard at standard +++ rwkw you need to have allmost professional race car driver like reflexes to shift nice smooth and quick at high power levels (im abit :limpy: and lazy for that lol).

Nothing wrong with the A6 get it tuned and its a great box that will give you great auto driving in traffic and good fun in Manual mode. (tune is mandatory to go from just ok to a great box. ;) )

That is my experience with the a6 box im sure others may think different.

[WH Captain]

Capt has your fuel consumption gone up considerably since your mods?

Yeah mate it did, but not stupidly.. i was getting bout 11-12L p/100 now its bout 13-15L p/100.. its noticeable but shit i cant complain bout the fuel bill.. it was my fault it went up haha :rofl:

Just to add, i do mixed driving freeway and city and i dont baby it around nor do i cain the ass off it

[stu-k]

Anyone know who does auto tunes in Brissy and roughly how many $$$$?

[alpha1]

A6 is a great setup im so happy with it (after it was tuned) my brother has a Manual while it is alittle better fun while going hard at standard +++ rwkw you need to have allmost professional race car driver like reflexes to shift nice smooth and quick at high power levels (im abit :limpy: and lazy for that lol).

Nothing wrong with the A6 get it tuned and its a great box that will give you great auto driving in traffic and good fun in Manual mode. (tune is mandatory to go from just ok to a great box. ;) )

That is my experience with the a6 box im sure others may think different.


Shultor are all tunes the same?, if not is there any paticular tune for the A6 that i should have done?...sorry if this sounds like a pleb question, my mechanical knowlege is terrible

[Wonky]

Shultor are all tunes the same?, if not is there any paticular tune for the A6 that i should have done?...sorry if this sounds like a pleb question, my mechanical knowlege is terrible

Definitely not! Like an engine tune but probably even moreso given the huge range of parameters which can be adjusted, there can be a huge difference in what you get for your money and the end result. An A6 tune is not as expensive as a custom engine tune but prices can vary from cheap as chips to several hundred dollars or more.

It would seem that Oztrack is at or near the forefront of A6 tuning in Australia - he even has a tune for the new 09 L76 AFM A6 box as the settings were apparently softened over the standard factory L98 A6 settings to make the transition to and from AFM mode smoother.

[alpha1]

Definitely not! Like an engine tune but probably even moreso given the huge range of parameters which can be adjusted, there can be a huge difference in what you get for your money and the end result. An A6 tune is not as expensive as a custom engine tune but prices can vary from cheap as chips to several hundred dollars or more.

It would seem that Oztrack is at or near the forefront of A6 tuning in Australia - he even has a tune for the new 09 L76 AFM A6 box as the settings were apparently softened over the standard factory L98 A6 settings to make the transition to and from AFM mode smoother.


Cheers Wonky, After reading the info on Oztracks website I sent an e-mail to them last night... waiting his reply.

Do you know of anyone first hand that has had an Oztrack tune on the A6?

[Roonstain]

Hey mate -I had the A6 tune done by Oztrack on my VE SSV Wagon with the AFM
The car has a Dus OTR and a twin 2.5inch Manta catback
He did a mafless tune with the engine tune

The A6 tune that Oztrack did was absolutely sensational! It has made the box 9834964219 times better!
The torque converter parameters on the A6 box with the AFM are quite different to that of the non AFM cars - but Steve had no problems there - AFM switch is still seamless, but when I am flogging the car, the shifts are firm and fast

I couldn't recommend his work any more highly - he is definitely at the forefront of the A6 stuff!
Also, I haven't read anywhere (not that I have looked extensively) anyone else doing a mafless tune on a slightly modded AFM car - many said it couldn't be done properly with the AFM still functioning - but my car is proof that that was wrong
I won't be keeping the AFM gear in the long run as I plan to go down the cam pathway, but I thought whilst the hardware is there, I may as well put it to use properly

Don't hesitate to ask me any questions about my car - but I think seeing as you emailed oztrack, he will have the answers you seek

Cheers
Mark

[alpha1]

Hey mate -I had the A6 tune done by Oztrack on my VE SSV Wagon with the AFM
The car has a Dus OTR and a twin 2.5inch Manta catback
He did a mafless tune with the engine tune

The A6 tune that Oztrack did was absolutely sensational! It has made the box 9834964219 times better!
The torque converter parameters on the A6 box with the AFM are quite different to that of the non AFM cars - but Steve had no problems there - AFM switch is still seamless, but when I am flogging the car, the shifts are firm and fast

I couldn't recommend his work any more highly - he is definitely at the forefront of the A6 stuff!
Also, I haven't read anywhere (not that I have looked extensively) anyone else doing a mafless tune on a slightly modded AFM car - many said it couldn't be done properly with the AFM still functioning - but my car is proof that that was wrong
I won't be keeping the AFM gear in the long run as I plan to go down the cam pathway, but I thought whilst the hardware is there, I may as well put it to use properly

Don't hesitate to ask me any questions about my car - but I think seeing as you emailed oztrack, he will have the answers you seek

Cheers
Mark


Thanks heaps Mark thats great feedback, Does the AFM work well?, I will be doing several freeway trips each week.. aprox 200-300 k,s total each week. Do you think that there is a substantial fuel saving with the A6 running AFM over the M6 which obviously doesnt have this feature. Manufactures specs are something like 14l/100 and was wondering if GM,s published fuel consumption is based with AFM on or off?


Thanks

Mark

[chillicatqld]

Is the gearbox in the SSV VE an M6? Mine says on the comp plate that it is a M10.

[apt ssv]

Is the gearbox in the SSV VE an M6? Mine says on the comp plate that it is a M10.

WTF????:rofl:

[XR8KLR]

After driving a mates VE SS ute the other day... It is looking more and more likely the Calais will be swapping for an SSV ute rather soon!

[vessloveit]

Is the gearbox in the SSV VE an M6? Mine says on the comp plate that it is a M10.

If it has two pedals on the floor it is an auto if it has three it is a manual :1peek:

[apt ssv]

If it has two pedals on the floor it is an auto if it has three it is a manual :1peek:

What he said.:goodjob:

[Devoran]

Is the gearbox in the SSV VE an M6? Mine says on the comp plate that it is a M10.

M6 = Manual 6 speed
A6 = Auto 6 speed
(hint: they're not model designations)

M10 = newer variant of the Tremec T56 Manual gearbox.

[apt ssv]

Is the gearbox in the SSV VE an M6? Mine says on the comp plate that it is a M10.

Be gentle he does own a WRX aswell.:doh:

[chillicatqld]

OK - fair call, I'm a noob.

Where are the pedals on the floor.... do they look like the ones on a bike?

[lollymanv8]

Congrats Alpha1 on your new ute. Personally I prefer the 6-speed auto over the 6-speed manual. Mainly because I do alot of city driving. It's not the best A6 around but close enough to the ZF6 IMO.

[DCV1NU]

Ive got the a6 in mine and in stock form its shit as, my last daily which was a 93 vr exec shifted ten times better & didnt have to "think" about which gears to select & at what rpm but like Roonstain and the others have said getting an A6 tune will make it heaps better to drive.

[fishla]

Don't hesitate to ask me any questions about my car - but I think seeing as you emailed oztrack, he will have the answers you seek

Cheers
Mark

Hi Mark,

What does the Manta sound like with the AFM after the tunes? Much droning?

Just for the O.P I've always had manuals (inc Clubby), but even though it does sound cliche` the city driving does become a PITA.

I'm quite happy with my A6 and looking to get some small mods done in the not too distant future :)

They both have pros and cons. Just depends if you can live without a manual :jester:

Cheers
Fish

[Roonstain]

When stock tuned the AFM would kick in all the time - and under load the AFM with the Manta didn't sound crash hot - but did not sound as bad as some other AFM cars i have heard with exhausts

Since the tune, Oztrack altered the MAPs that the AFM would be active within, so it kicks in less often (ie: not when under lots of load) so the sound is better there - with a catback only it is slightly choppy, but with some big 1 7/8ths headers and some 100 or 200cpi cats, it should be better

[alpha1]

When stock tuned the AFM would kick in all the time - and under load the AFM with the Manta didn't sound crash hot - but did not sound as bad as some other AFM cars i have heard with exhausts

Since the tune, Oztrack altered the MAPs that the AFM would be active within, so it kicks in less often (ie: not when under lots of load) so the sound is better there - with a catback only it is slightly choppy, but with some big 1 7/8ths headers and some 100 or 200cpi cats, it should be better


Hi Roonstain, correct me if im wrong but i thought the AFM would only kick in when cruise control was activated?. :S

[Wonky]

With my 1 7/8 Pacies, Ballistic cats and KPM 3" system my wife couldn't even tell when AFM kicked in on mine, though to me it was fairly obvious as it sounded choppier. No drone though! AFM is now disabled with my current tune.

[red hot 270kw]

Hi there Utesrule,

SSV UTE A6 My10 $42k driveaway (Sept delivery), the only inclusion i could deal at this price were the ss floor mats.

There is a thread on prices,I went from a 2004 VY SS ute auto which I had from new,and I loved it until I got behind my new VE SS ute manual it is orsome and cant believe the power it generates you have to be careful as other people have said.I always had manuals when I was younger so maybe this is a mid life crises thing, regarding price.
2009 ssv ute Red Hot in colour
manual 6 speed
up grade alarm
reversing sensor
ss red mats, red gear selector
lock nuts, mud spats
twin weathershields
lowered
ERP hard lid (really sets it off)
3yr car wash
6yr warranty

Drive away price $44.089
Suttons Chullora ask for Zac

[alpha1]

There is a thread on prices,I went from a 2004 VY SS ute auto which I had from new,and I loved it until I got behind my new VE SS ute manual it is orsome and cant believe the power it generates you have to be careful as other people have said.I always had manuals when I was younger so maybe this is a mid life crises thing, regarding price.
2009 ssv ute Red Hot in colour
manual 6 speed
up grade alarm
reversing sensor
ss red mats, red gear selector
lock nuts, mud spats
twin weathershields
lowered
ERP hard lid (really sets it off)
3yr car wash
6yr warranty

Drive away price $44.089
Suttons Chullora ask for Zac



Suttons Chullora is where i have purchased mine from aswell - for the manual I was priced $40k Drive away My10 plated or 41.5k Lowered and 20inch wheels...I guess you've got about 4-5k worth of extras there so very similar pricing....great buying in my books.

By the looks of your pricing you must have also purchased prior to June 30 2009, The Holden owners assist program has reduced in its dealer subsidy by approx 2k after June 30. Well thats the line ive been spun anyway.

I agree the hard lids do look awesome , however as a sparky i will be travelling with a ladder at times so the hard lid option wouldnt be all that practical for my requirements. They also look like they hinder the ability to reach in to the area below the rear window...is this correct?

BTW... with all those options your ute sounds very nice indeed, can you post a few pics?

Do you know more details about your lowering? how low is it? and what springs did they use?

Cheers

Adam

[Roonstain]

Hi Roonstain, correct me if im wrong but i thought the AFM would only kick in when cruise control was activated?. :S
Nah mate - it is all to do with the vacuum, it can kick in at 40kms an hour when stock - nothing links it to cruise control
If you want more technical answers, I can answer some, but Oztrack would be a good source of knowledge for you, as he understands the parameters more than me (but I picked up a fair bit by watching and asking - I am a curious uni student willing to learn!)

Cheers
Mark

[red hot 270kw]

Suttons Chullora is where i have purchased mine from aswell - for the manual I was priced $40k Drive away My10 plated or 41.5k Lowered and 20inch wheels...I guess you've got about 4-5k worth of extras there so very similar pricing....great buying in my books.

By the looks of your pricing you must have also purchased prior to June 30 2009, The Holden owners assist program has reduced in its dealer subsidy by approx 2k after June 30. Well thats the line ive been spun anyway.

I agree the hard lids do look awesome , however as a sparky i will be travelling with a ladder at times so the hard lid option wouldnt be all that practical for my requirements. They also look like they hinder the ability to reach in to the area below the rear window...is this correct?

BTW... with all those options your ute sounds very nice indeed, can you post a few pics?

Do you know more details about your lowering? how low is it? and what springs did they use?

Cheers

Adam

Yes Adam,I bought it in june and they lowered it 1 inch,I dont know if they changed the springs or not.I just carry my lunch box in the back and a few tools,keep them in some plastic containers at the back got them from Bunnings so I dont have to lean in to far,To me its a sports car with a big boot will try and post some pics.

[UTESRULE]

Suttons Chullora is where i have purchased mine from aswell - for the manual I was priced $40k Drive away My10 plated or 41.5k Lowered and 20inch wheels...I guess you've got about 4-5k worth of extras there so very similar pricing....great buying in my books.

By the looks of your pricing you must have also purchased prior to June 30 2009, The Holden owners assist program has reduced in its dealer subsidy by approx 2k after June 30. Well thats the line ive been spun anyway.

I agree the hard lids do look awesome , however as a sparky i will be travelling with a ladder at times so the hard lid option wouldnt be all that practical for my requirements. They also look like they hinder the ability to reach in to the area below the rear window...is this correct?

BTW... with all those options your ute sounds very nice indeed, can you post a few pics?

Do you know more details about your lowering? how low is it? and what springs did they use?

Cheers

Adam

do u reckon those deals are still on the table now very good prices

[Wonky]

Nah mate - it is all to do with the vacuum, it can kick in at 40kms an hour when stock - nothing links it to cruise control.

Cheers
Mark

I thought it would only cut in at around 100kmh under steady cruise conditions i.e. as soon as the vacuum increased eg uphill slope it would go back to 8 cyls. :confused: That's certainly all mine ever did!

[fishla]

I thought it would only cut in at around 100kmh under steady cruise conditions i.e. as soon as the vacuum increased eg uphill slope it would go back to 8 cyls. :confused: That's certainly all mine ever did!

Hey Wonky,

Can't say I've seen my switch to 4cyl mode at 40km/h, but on a flat road at 60km/h it definitely does (and most speeds above that) depending on road conditions of course.

Cheers
Fish

[alpha1]

do u reckon those deals are still on the table now very good prices


Utesrule, I am not sure - the dealer has told me that they could not match the pricing anymore, but who knows if thats just dealer talk.

[Wonky]

Hey Wonky,

Can't say I've seen my switch to 4cyl mode at 40km/h, but on a flat road at 60km/h it definitely does (and most speeds above that) depending on road conditions of course.

Cheers
Fish

Hmmm, probably says something about my driving in that case!! :lol: