Is my L98 really an L98???

[VZSSL986LTRUTE]

Went to see one of our local forum sponsors the other day about cam option advice and pricing... I did not have my ute with me and he asked a simple question, is it a L76 or L98??? i said L98 for sure, its a series 2 thunder and the chassis plate has L98 stamped.. He informed me that this did not TECHNICALLY guarantee its was actually an L98 and he would have to check to make sure as it would limit my options.. I've done a search and apparently a few of the VE SS's r even fitted with the L76.... People of LS1 is there an easy way to confirm what is sitting in the ute???, is there any threads with pictures to show??? thanks....

[Wonky]

Engine number will tell you! I've never heard that before about some VE utes having L76 engines early on - I suspect he is mixed up with 09 built A6s (like mine) which have L76. I know VZ_V8 on here has a L98 VZ ute (confirmed). Besides, it doesn't limit your options, just makes them possibly slightly more complicated depending on what you intend doing - I know because I'm just researching changing the cam in my L76.

[VZSSL986LTRUTE]

Was actually an early VE sedan i thought wonky not a ute. The series 1 thunder SS had the L76 series 2 the L98.. Im questioning the plate under the bonnet stamped L98 and actually being a L76 or atleast thats what the forum sponsor/engineer is questioning... I dont know enough?? He went over it for like 10mins how some VZ thunder SS series 2's have plates stamped L98 but when hes gone to fit cam its been a L76.. I dunno????

[Wonky]

Was actually an early VE sedan i thought wonky not a ute.

I'm no expert but I thought all VE V8s until this year were L98s. I'm sure your engine number will tell you though. I'm also fairly sure from reading I did ages ago that there are one or two small external differences between L76 and L98 - something to do with plugs/oil galleries or something????

[EXCESSV]

:lmao::lmao::lmao: nuff said about the workshop. i can just guess which one too! :lol:

yes the VZ utes came with L76 but the later ones came with L98
if its stamped with L98 then it is.

Tim VZ_V8 has a VZ SS ute and its got a L98 in it.
Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=112381)

http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o64/tim6489/18012009403800x600.jpg

VEs up until recently ALL came with an L98.
its only now that the AUTO versions of the VE come with a L76 due to the AFM crapola
the manuals still have the L98


go see a dealer, give them ur VIN and pay the money and get a full print out of your car with all the details of it...that will help prove it
mistakes can happen and it MAY be a L76 but likelyhood it is whats stamped on it unless either:
a) holden fuucked up
b) its been in a prang
c) engine has been replaced by previous owner or by holden under warrantly

[macca_779]

The guy at this workshop is obviously an idiot. If its stamped L98 its an L98. Holden doesn't screw with shit like this.

[SS Enforcer]

The guy at this workshop is obviously an idiot. If its stamped L98 its an L98. Holden doesn't screw with shit like this.

Thats exactly what I thought as well .

cheers

[VZSSL986LTRUTE]

Cheers, this workshop (sponsor) we r talking of is constantly getting great reviews on the forum but i personally know no one thats had work done there, very strange?... I emailed the workshop who did my OTR headers and exhaust about a big cam package 600+ and included in this quote was a LS2 valley plate.. I thought the L98 had the LS2 valley plate but not the L76??

[Wonky]

Cheers, this workshop (sponsor) we r talking of is constantly getting great reviews on the forum but i personally know no one thats had work done there, very strange?... I emailed the workshop who did my OTR headers and exhaust about a big cam package 600+ and included in this quote was a LS2 valley plate.. I thought the L98 had the LS2 valley plate but not the L76??

The LS2 valley plate is required (according to some sources) to do a proper job of removing the DOD/AFM gear from an L76. The L76 has a LOMA (Lifter Oil Manifold Assembly) in place of the LS2 (and L98 - same block) valley plate. Others say you can just plug off the oil lines.

If they've included that in the quote then they're either assuming yours is an L76 or stooging you for about $300 plus a few other associated things they shouldn't be if yours is really an L98.

[boyley]

turn 180 degrees and walk the other way:confused:

do you have your engine number handy, leave the last 2 digits off

[zorro]

I know 3 series 2 VZ utes all with L98s, before you go any further with this 'workshop' go and try someone else.

[EXCESSV]

Cheers, this workshop (sponsor) we r talking of is constantly getting great reviews on the forum but i personally know no one thats had work done there, very strange?... I emailed the workshop who did my OTR headers and exhaust about a big cam package 600+ and included in this quote was a LS2 valley plate.. I thought the L98 had the LS2 valley plate but not the L76??forum sponsor tells u if its stamped L98 DOESNT mean it is.
they also have alot of FORUM reviews but you know noone thats had work done there.

and yet you want to get some work done there still???? :confused:

WALK AWAY NOW!!!!

also take same advice with the workshop you emailed too.
to tell them u have a L98 and they want to change the valley plate to an LS2 also indicates there knowledge.


or take these ppls advice...go get the work done and we will see u again after the work is done with "got a problem after my cam install" type threads

ur choice..dont say u havent been warned

[VZSSL986LTRUTE]

Cheers for comments... This is a strange situation. Very of putting.. I think im going to have to take ur advice EXCESSV and go see holden about..
a) holden fuucked up
b) its been in a prang
c) engine has been replaced by previous owner or by holden under warranty.

Yes boyley i have engine number available...
The workshop(sponsor) i went to see was a local shop just around the corner where as the quote that i got via email was from another shop 100km away who did previous work on the ute and SHOULD know what motor they worked on previously(i would think).. The quote i got sent to me is as follows

Comp Cams custom grind Cam

Yella Terra roller rockers

Trend push rods

PAC LS beehive valve springs

LS7 race hyd lifters

LS2 valley plate

LS2 lifter guide plates

ARP head bolt kit

L92 Head gaskets


The fitted and tuned price of this lot comes to $5940

So there it is.. LS2 valley plate, but my ute is a f**kn series 2.. With stamped L98 on the plate....
This shop that did my OTR etc did great work, no bullshit etc but now that i've recieved this email im second guessing there honesty towards someone(ME) who does not have a great mechanical knowledge.....

[EXCESSV]

dude go speak to someone that knows what they are on about
a quick look at the engine and they can tell u if its a L98 or L76 but as has been said..99.99999999% if its stamped as L98 IT IS L98

$6K for a cam change :shock:
and all this extra shit...what for????
Yella Terra roller rockers
Trend push rods
LS7 race hyd lifters
LS2 valley plate
LS2 lifter guide plates
ARP head bolt kit


i am running a 224 228 @ 112LSA cam and only things my engine builder said to bother with were:
valve springs

i went for DR timing chain, UDP, etc but push rods, etc not needed..not for my cam anyway.
45,000km in 18months with this cam and ZERO engine issues and it doesnt get drive like an old lady either!

[boyley]

7NB - Auto L98 6.0L VZ wagon and ute post VE sedan release

CAK - Manual L98 6.0L VZ wagon and ute post VE sedan release.

[VZSSL986LTRUTE]

Apparently because of such large cam, Surely DR and Under drive pulley included but not displayed, is this still to much????

[EXCESSV]

Apparently because of such large cam, Surely DR and Under drive pulley included but not displayed, is this still to much????gotta be careful with cams and L98.

there PTV (Piston To Valve) clearance isnt as big as the other motors so cam size selection is crucial.

[VX-300]

An L76 [that has not had the AFM (DOD) hardware removed] is the only GM engine currently used by Holden which has the PCV tubing coming out of the rear passenger side rocker cover and going forward down the left hand side.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/L76/P1010144-1.jpg

[boyley]

An L76 [that has not had the AFM (DOD) hardware removed] is the only GM engine currently used by Holden which has the PCV tubing coming out of the rear passenger side rocker cover and going forward down the left hand side.



good info and easy check:)

[VZSSL986LTRUTE]

VX-300 thanks for pic.. My ute does NOT have this so all is good..


So i've been mis lead by two very well known Perth workshops!!..... One saying a VZ with an L98 plate could still be an L76 and the other quoting me for a LS2 valley plate that is not needed therefore trying to rip me off... Very disappointing... Its hard enough trying to research as best i can to not ask so many silly questions but it does not help being mis lead by sponsor workshops..

Im looking at around the most lift possible EXCESSV without risking clearance..

[gmh308]

VX-300 thanks for pic.. My ute does NOT have this so all is good..


So i've been mis lead by two very well known Perth workshops!!..... One saying a VZ with an L98 plate could still be an L76 and the other quoting me for a LS2 valley plate that is not needed therefore trying to rip me off... Very disappointing... Its hard enough trying to research as best i can to not ask so many silly questions but it does not help being mis lead by sponsor workshops..

Im looking at around the most lift possible EXCESSV without risking clearance..

In addtion to VX300's great shot, the L76 valley cover does not have the PCV nipple (same reason), and if you look down behind the LH side (from the front) of the throttle body you will see where the tube in in VX300's pic connects to the throttle body (L76) and for L98 where a small U shaped tube runs from the valley cover to the throttle body.

There is also a DOD/AFM socket at the rear of the L76 valley cover just alongside the oil pressure sensor tower.

Looks like some misguided ethics in action here or just plain ignorance.

[VX-300]

Fixed.


In addtion to VX300's great shot, the L76 valley cover does not have the PCV nipple (same reason), and if you look down behind the LH side (from the front) of the throttle body you will see where the tube in in VX300's pic connects to the INTAKE MANIFOLD (L76) and for L98 where a small U shaped tube runs from the valley cover to the INTAKE MANIFOLD.
There is also a DOD/AFM socket at the rear of the L76 valley cover just alongside the oil pressure sensor tower.

Looks like some misguided ethics in action here or just plain ignorance.

:)


Intake Manifold Connection for PCV hose.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/L76/R1010432.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/L76/P1010147.jpg

L76 only PCV hose
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/L76/R1010433_02.jpg

L76 only connector for AFM solenoids in Valley plate.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/L76/P1010138.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/L76/P1010137.jpg


L76 only Valley plate (LOMA). Notice no PCV tube coming out the front of the plate.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/L76/2008_0617Cars0001.jpg


An LS2,LS3,LS7,L98 will have a PCV tube coming out the front of the valley plate. See the red tit here.
An L76 with AFM hardware removed will also look like this.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y20/PerthPurplePenguin/car%20parts/L76/P8210038.jpg

[gmh308]

Fixed.

:)



Silly me! Dead right. Glad someone is on the ball bright and early :). Ta mate. Great shots again! This should help some members and friends to not get bent over by suspect operators.

[VZSSL986LTRUTE]

thanks fellas, hopefully the thread helps others!!!.... How much was i over priced??

[Wonky]

I believe most shops do cam inc springs and mafless tune for about the $3k mark but that won't include taking heads off as your guy has allowed for. Not sure how much the Yella Terra roller rockers and LS7 lifters are. The LS2 valley plate is list $385!! :eek: