STEEL WHEEL HOONS ......Face crackdown

[mustanger]

I came across this and I thought "About bloody time" :goodjob:

http://www.standard.net.au/news/local/news/general/smoke-them-out-steelwheel-hoons-face-new-crackdown/1564954.aspx

[CRIP2NITE]

haha thats funny, see so many of them around these days too... good job

[Knawful]

Haha, good old Warrnambool.

Dont think anyone has been done yet, this article was a month or so ago in the local rag.
No-one has said anything on the local cruise website anyway.

[WOMBIE]

Probably unrelated but Warrnambool did sound familiar http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26010547-29277,00.html

[Yoda]

Best one I saw recently was a FWD civic with steel burnout wheels on the rear......
:rofl:

[aedeau]

couldn't you run steelies on all 4 wheels with shit tyres? same tyre diameter, same tread pattern etc? Can't charge you for that?

[Nidz]

Some drivers had roadworthy tyres on steel rear rims purely as a "fashion statement" to show other drivers their cars were capable of doing burn-outs, Acting Sergeant Cressell said.


Damn straight.. Sick of kids putting stockies on the back.. Piss weak..

I just like the fact that they asked the opinion of a guy who's name is Mr Undy :lol:

[Souljah]

All four rims on a vehicle were required by law to be the same diameter and have tyres of similar tread patterns, he said.
Go and buy two more ceptors' and put them on the front. :goodjob:

[SHANESVZSS]

Some drivers had roadworthy tyres on steel rear rims purely as a "fashion statement" to show other drivers their cars were capable of doing burn-outs, Acting Sergeant Cressell said.


Damn straight.. Sick of kids putting stockies on the back.. Piss weak..

I just like the fact that they asked the opinion of a guy who's name is Mr Undy :lol:


does this mean that we can no longer drive the drags on street m/ts? say if the fronts are 18s,19,20's ect...?? (thats what i usually do).. after reading this i wont do it anymore..but im just courious.

[White Rider]

Keep reading the next page:

"Acting Sergeant Cressall said the police blitz would also target drivers illegally using fog lights.

"You see every now and then cars going up and down Liebig Street cutting laps, they don't have any lights on, they've just got (foglights) on," he said.

The lights were particularly dazzling, he said.

Many drivers were unaware their foglights were on when they used their normal headlights, he said, but from today they could face $123 fines.

"Out on the highway, it's like a wall of light heading towards you," he said."

[V-Car]

Some drivers had roadworthy tyres on steel rear rims purely as a "fashion statement" to show other drivers their cars were capable of doing burn-outs, Acting Sergeant Cressell said.


Damn straight.. Sick of kids putting stockies on the back.. Piss weak..



+1
They go straight in the w@nker basket with the 'fog lights on' 24/7 brigade! :headbang:
:hide:

[nang3]

ROFL a wall of light mwahaha what a ****en load of shit !!!

[SHANESVZSS]

funny they should mantion the fog lights... when i first got my ss i was driving home (yes i had my foggies on i thought it was cool then :) ) anyway i got pulled over by a young cop also in a vz ss and he just let me off with a warning..however he ALSO had his foggies only on :confused:

[aedeau]

Many drivers were unaware their foglights were on when they used their normal headlights, he said, but from today they could face $123 fines.

"Out on the highway, it's like a wall of light heading towards you," he said."

ever noticed how unmarked cop cars alwasy drive with fog lights on? hypocrisy I say :vpo:

[BadSeed]

couldn't you run steelies on all 4 wheels with shit tyres? same tyre diameter, same tread pattern etc? Can't charge you for that?



see "My Sunshine" thread :jester:

[VXSS346]

Fantastic news, these dicks deserve what they get. :D

They are the real hoons, and should be targeted.

Cheers :)

[Nidz]

ROFL :rofl:

[SirNemesis]

does this mean that we can no longer drive the drags on street m/ts? You never legally could mate, they are not street legal in Australia.

[aedeau]

see "My Sunshine" thread :jester:

Think I've seen it.. the omega with ceptors right? ... at least you don't need to worry about gutter rash :)

[LS1TOY]

I have ceptors on the back with perfectly good tyres on them because i cant afford new tyres at the moment:bawl:, and i do feel dirty, i do get some funny looks from the constabulary.
Jake,

[HSVQUE]

"It's getting to the stage where I see them putting burn-out tyres on the back for the purpose of doing burn-outs," :/ Why else would you put Burnouts tyres on?

Also I drive around with my fog lights on during the day.. Anything that might help other motorists from Merging into my car is worth it.. I have never seen a car with fog lights on resemble a "wall of light"

[VX2VESS]

put hubcaps on them

all the same size rims eh i guess that makes VE hsv's illegal then, wider on the rear

[TUFFIE]

put hubcaps on them

all the same size rims eh i guess that makes VE hsv's illegal then, wider on the rear

Nup..because it stipulates it on the tyre placard...so you are allowed.

[Podge]

i thought on a FWD or RWD car you were allowed to have different tread patterns on the front and back (just not left and right... and AWD/4WD must be same tread pattern on all 4's)?

[TUFGN3]

I completely agree with this, you always see some twit banging around in his VN with stockies on it, only problem is when someone with a nice car legitimately has a spare on the back cos one of their tyres, or two of them have had it, they are going to be targeted. Trust me, it happened to me, I got to stand there arguing that the supposed rubber on my back guard was really just the tyre black I had put on before I realised my rear tyres were done with. Not fun.

[XUV]

i thought on a FWD or RWD car you were allowed to have different tread patterns on the front and back (just not left and right... and AWD/4WD must be same tread pattern on all 4's)?
nah , it's no more than 2 different brands .

and the 4WD/AWD is an advisable thing ,
but I got Pirelli zero's on the front and cheapy's on the back
and haven't noticed any fighting betwee n them .

Different sizes would be another thing , on an AWD .

[Podge]

nah , it's no more than 2 different brands .

and the 4WD/AWD is an advisable thing ,
but I got Pirelli zero's on the front and cheapy's on the back
and haven't noticed any fighting betwee n them .

Different sizes would be another thing , on an AWD .

Furry muff

[Timmay5.7]

Keep reading the next page:

"Acting Sergeant Cressall said the police blitz would also target drivers illegally using fog lights.

"You see every now and then cars going up and down Liebig Street cutting laps, they don't have any lights on, they've just got (foglights) on," he said.

The lights were particularly dazzling, he said.

Many drivers were unaware their foglights were on when they used their normal headlights, he said, but from today they could face $123 fines.

"Out on the highway, it's like a wall of light heading towards you," he said."

When I enquired about the use of them, I was told that you could have fog lights turned on with either high beam, or with parkers only.
Because a: you wont have highbeam on with oncoming traffic anyway,
and b: fog lights arnt as effective in fog with headlights on as well.

[MJR-57T]

When I enquired about the use of them, I was told that you could have fog lights turned on with either high beam, or with parkers only.
Because a: you wont have highbeam on with oncoming traffic anyway,
and b: fog lights arnt as effective in fog with headlights on as well.

Ive aimed my fogs down to the road as far as they'll go.
From the front, they're no brighter than a set of parkers.

Back on topic
Its about bloody time someone takes notice and figures out why somone would be driving round in a shitbox with 2 stockies on the rear.
Im sick of the dicks around here givving everyone a bad name.
Especialy when they're in the same job that im in and constantly get caught doing burnouts and hooning around with the same stickers/badges on the car.
It gives everyone in the job a bad name.

[White Rider]

Ive aimed my fogs down to the road as far as they'll go.
From the front, they're no brighter than a set of parkers.

Back on topic
Its about bloody time someone takes notice and figures out why somone would be driving round in a shitbox with 2 stockies on the rear.
Im sick of the dicks around here givving everyone a bad name.
Especialy when they're in the same job that im in and constantly get caught doing burnouts and hooning around with the same stickers/badges on the car.
It gives everyone in the job a bad name.

It is on topic as police targeting foglights was part of the article. Whether a 55w fog light pointed down is just as bright as a 2w parker is irrelevant. According to the article, Police are cracking down on the illigal use of fog lights, which is easier to spot than any other breach of the law. But to those who think its safer running fog lights, don't fear for your lives- you can just install another set of parkers because they are just as bright!:rofl:

But in all seriousness, low beam lights that have not been adjusted properly are far more annoying than foglights pointing down.

[`redoctober]

Someone give me a coherent and logical reason why doing burnouts in an industrial estate at night with nobody around is harmful to ANYONE, and I might just jump on board.

Until then, it's just revenue raising.

[Dav0]

Someone give me a coherent and logical reason why doing burnouts in an industrial estate at night with nobody around is harmful to ANYONE, and I might just jump on board.

Until then, it's just revenue raising.

Because you could have an accident? Any number of things could go wrong and result in you being hurt, which means an ambulance and police would have to be sent out, and what if your car caught fire, then a fire engine would also have to be dispatched. What if you lost control and slammed into an industrial unit? It could put some poor bugger out of business for a while. I could go on but you should get my point by now

[`redoctober]

Because you could have an accident? Any number of things could go wrong and result in you being hurt, which means an ambulance and police would have to be sent out, and what if your car caught fire, then a fire engine would also have to be dispatched. What if you lost control and slammed into an industrial unit? It could put some poor bugger out of business for a while. I could go on but you should get my point by now

All these what-if's could happen in regular every day driving as well, but driving is not illegal (yet).

[TUFFIE]

Someone give me a coherent and logical reason why doing burnouts in an industrial estate at night with nobody around is harmful to ANYONE, and I might just jump on board.

Until then, it's just revenue raising.

Thanks Red, great write up.... you have just proven exactly why P platers get a bad name with an attitude like that,..:goodjob:

[Dav0]

All these what-if's could happen in regular every day driving as well, but driving is not illegal (yet).

Its about reducing the chance. Do you think we should have no speed limits too? If you go by that logic then bugger it, you might as well get around town like its a race track, cause the what ifs would be the same as getting around doing the speed limit right? The reason its illegal is because there are too many people out there that cant handle a car doing burnouts and will definately crash when they try. Dont forget not everyone out there is michael schumacer


Thanks Red, great write up.... you have just proven exactly why P platers get a bad name with an attitude like that,..:goodjob:

I was trying to avoid bringing up his age and try to educate the boy instead lol

[`redoctober]

Thanks Red, great write up.... you have just proven exactly why P platers get a bad name with an attitude like that,..:goodjob:

Tuffie, I don't know how you got in considering I didn't leave the door open, but to clarify, I'm open minded about the situation and I want to see if someone can give me another perspective on the issue.

Hopefully that made sense to you, I tried to simplify it as much as I could.

[WOMBIE]

Because you could have an accident? Any number of things could go wrong and result in you being hurt, which means an ambulance and police would have to be sent out, and what if your car caught fire, then a fire engine would also have to be dispatched. What if you lost control and slammed into an industrial unit? It could put some poor bugger out of business for a while. I could go on but you should get my point by now

Very valid points Dav0 but unfortunately you can't educate idiots :yup:

[`redoctober]

I was trying to avoid bringing up his age and try to educate the boy instead lol

Thanks Davo, I have my opinion on it and wanted to hear other opinions, you definitely make a valid point.

Personally I think it's safe to an extent if you don't go overboard. Ie- A 10 second standstill burnout rather than 30 minutes of swinging hoops to impress 'the boys' would be a bit more manageable than the idiotic display of heroism.

-Rob.

[TUFFIE]

Tuffie, I don't know how you got in considering I didn't leave the door open, but to clarify, I'm open minded about the situation and I want to see if someone can give me another perspective on the issue.

Hopefully that made sense to you, I tried to simplify it as much as I could.

For someone who proclaims to be edumicated.... you seem to not get the point of many rules and regulations or laws for that matter do you?? Hopefully one day you will get it......


Very valid points Dav0 but unfortunately you can't educate idiots :yup:

+ 1 :rofl: Good point...enough said.

[bouka]

Someone give me a coherent and logical reason why doing burnouts in an industrial estate at night with nobody around is harmful to ANYONE, and I might just jump on board.

Until then, it's just revenue raising.

There are many reasons red. Consider some of the following (brief list):

-Grief and trauma to emergency services/hospital staff who have to clean up when things go horribly wrong (and they have/do).
-Grief and trauma to family, friends etc of those who get seriously injured/killed when something goes wrong.
-Burden on emergency services/hospital system who have to allocate time and resources to deal with "accidents" that result from stupid/reckless/completely avoidable behaviour when they could/should be responding to other situations.
-The fact that these guys must learn that illegal behaviour, regardless of where/how it is undertaken, must be policed and they must respect the law.

[`redoctober]

+ 1 :rofl: Good point...enough said.
Case in point. You're an example shining above others Tuffie.


There are many reasons red. Consider some of the following (brief list):

-Grief and trauma to emergency services/hospital staff who have to clean up when things go horribly wrong (and they have/do).
-Grief and trauma to family, friends etc of those who get seriously injured/killed when something goes wrong.
-Burden on emergency services/hospital system who have to allocate time and resources to deal with "accidents" that result from stupid/reckless/completely avoidable behaviour when they be responding dealing with other situations.
-The fact that these guys must learn that illegal behaviour, regardless of where/how it is undertaken, must be policed and they must respect the law.
Best list of points I've heard so far, I reckon I'm on board now. Thanks Bouka.

[MTC]

Thanks Davo, I have my opinion on it and wanted to hear other opinions, you definitely make a valid point.

Personally I think it's safe to an extent if you don't go overboard. Ie- A 10 second standstill burnout rather than 30 minutes of swinging hoops to impress 'the boys' would be a bit more manageable than the idiotic display of heroism.

-Rob.
Your a Tool Robert :flipoff:

[TUFFIE]

"Case in point. You're an example shining above others Tuffie."

LOL.... I must say you are the toughest ,bravest bloke I know behind a keyboard..

Still.... either way its seems funny that its only the P platers ( the least ability and skill) who seem to object to these laws.

[`redoctober]

Your a Tool Robert :flipoff:
Sorry Mike, but I stand by my opinion of a small burnout being harmless, and I'm sure other members agree..

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You're all angels.


"Case in point. You're an example shining above others Tuffie."

LOL.... I must say you are the toughest ,bravest bloke I know behind a keyboard..
Same goes to you Tuffie, I'm not sure I've been allowed to express my opinion once without a smart arsed quip from you.

[TUFFIE]

Sorry Mike, but I stand by my opinion of a small burnout being harmless, and I'm sure other members agree..


Same goes to you Tuffie, I'm not sure I've been allowed to express my opinion once without a smart arsed quip from you.

Ohhhh young Red, Red,Red (robert) I have called you out many a time without the security of your keyboard , but you have never shown....I would Love to see you....face to face...its been ages. We can discuss our difference of opinions in person. :smilesandbanana:

[andy15762003]

Your a Tool Robert :flipoff:

best post of the thread

:goodjob::banghead:

[`redoctober]

Ohhhh young Red, Red,Red (robert) I have called you out many a time without the security of your keyboard , but you have never shown....I would Love to see you....face to face...its been ages. We can discuss our difference of opinions in person. :smilesandbanana:

To be honest Tuffie, you're not even a blip on my radar. But if your difference of opinion pushes me to the point to where I want to see you in person, you better believe I will :)

[TUFFIE]

To be honest Tuffie, you're not even a blip on my radar. But if your difference of opinion pushes me to the point to where I want to see you in person, you better believe I will :)

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::jerk:

[`redoctober]

:lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao::jerk:

:goodjob: .

[WH Captain]

:train:

:lock: SOON :rofl:

good read tho

[HOWQUICK]

Someone give me a coherent and logical reason why doing burnouts in an industrial estate at night with nobody around is harmful to ANYONE, and I might just jump on board.

Until then, it's just revenue raising.

when you operate a Speed Shop and have every dckhead known to man come down after hours and try an impress you with their pathetic static powerless crap after dropping oil all over the road and their blown Uniroyal 185s all over the place, you get mighty sick of it. Never mind the other businesses that have to endure the road looking like a dead shit party house.

Next thing is the cop stakeout with your customers getting pulled over and harassed for coming to visit because of the dead shits that leave their mark everywhere.....

I see forum members cars with other shops names enblazened all over them reguarly in my street being dickheads....it gets noted........and I haven't ran out of bricks and lumps of wood yet.

An industrial area is where people operate their businesses from....not some open slather area for losers to do burnouts....would you like it outside your house? I think not. Show some respect for where people are trying to earn their living....your house is only where you live. one of my neighbours is so pissed with it he has installed hidden cameras so he has the photos to give to the plod for hoon law enforcement....

If you have to do burn outs, why not at the Wednesday Night burn out comp where people can watch your skills rather than gutlessly slinking around the back streets at night pissing people off?

[MJR-57T]

Someone give me a coherent and logical reason why doing burnouts in an industrial estate at night with nobody around is harmful to ANYONE, and I might just jump on board.

Until then, it's just revenue raising.

Ever heard of the clean airs act.

Oh yea and i wouldn't want to be the owner of a factory bay with donuts out the front. Bad for business if its an automotive place

EDIT

Sorry HOWQUICK, skipped over your post
Well said

[ACUZED]

when you operate a Speed Shop and have every dckhead known to man come down after hours and try an impress you with their pathetic static powerless crap after dropping oil all over the road and their blown Uniroyal 185s all over the place, you get mighty sick of it. Never mind the other businesses that have to endure the road looking like a dead shit party house.

Next thing is the cop stakeout with your customers getting pulled over and harassed for coming to visit because of the dead shits that leave their mark everywhere.....

I see forum members cars with other shops names enblazened all over them reguarly in my street being dickheads....it gets noted........and I haven't ran out of bricks and lumps of wood yet.

An industrial area is where people operate their businesses from....not some open slather area for losers to do burnouts....would you like it outside your house? I think not. Show some respect for where people are trying to earn their living....your house is only where you live. one of my neighbours is so pissed with it he has installed hidden cameras so he has the photos to give to the plod for hoon law enforcement....

If you have to do burn outs, why not at the Wednesday Night burn out comp where people can watch your skills rather than gutlessly slinking around the back streets at night pissing people off?


:goodjob::goodjob::goodjob::goodjob: nice one john :deal:A+

[WOMBIE]

when you operate a Speed Shop and have every dckhead known to man come down after hours and try an impress you with their pathetic static powerless crap after dropping oil all over the road and their blown Uniroyal 185s all over the place, you get mighty sick of it. Never mind the other businesses that have to endure the road looking like a dead shit party house.

Next thing is the cop stakeout with your customers getting pulled over and harassed for coming to visit because of the dead shits that leave their mark everywhere.....

I see forum members cars with other shops names unblazoned all over them regularly in my street being dickheads....it gets noted........and I haven't ran out of bricks and lumps of wood yet.

An industrial area is where people operate their businesses from....not some open slather area for losers to do burnouts....would you like it outside your house? I think not. Show some respect for where people are trying to earn their living....your house is only where you live. one of my neighbours is so pissed with it he has installed hidden cameras so he has the photos to give to the plod for hoon law enforcement....

If you have to do burn outs, why not at the Wednesday Night burn out comp where people can watch your skills rather than gutlessly slinking around the back streets at night pissing people off?


Be very careful that your difference of opinion doesn't push little red dude to the point where he wants to see you in person......believe him he will :lmao:









Btw top post :)

[MJR-57T]

Be very careful that your difference of opinion doesn't push little red dude to the point where he wants to see you in person......believe him he will :lmao:









Btw top post :)

I'd love to see a pic of red lol

Anyone for pimples and glasses

[HOWQUICK]

Be very careful that your difference of opinion doesn't push little red dude to the point where he wants to see you in person......believe him he will :lmao:


I suppose I will just add it to the list of forum goons that want to get/stitch me up.....:rofl:

[vx_clubby]

Not very good skids in the photos, hardly worth the effort!

[WLDLS1]

stockies on the back do look sh#t. what makes people do this?

anyway as for the lights well mine are driving lights. standard on the SS. they are not fog lights.
my lights are white. no good for fog. you need yellow for fog.
driving lights are for driving on dusk. when its dark you turn on your head lights. its not against the law to drive with your driving lights on. it is against the law to drive with fog lights on. only to be used when foggy.

[`redoctober]

Be very careful that your difference of opinion doesn't push little red dude to the point where he wants to see you in person......believe him he will :lmao:

Haha, life would be boring if people didn't have a sense of humour ;) The only person on LS1 that annoys me is Tuffie, his little personal vendetta against me seems to stretch into every post I make on these forums. However, like I said, I wanted to see an opinion from the other side of the fence, I wasn't pushing my point of view, just broadening my horizons :)


I'd love to see a pic of red lol

Anyone for pimples and glasses
At 19 with perfect vision I highly doubt either mate :p

[MJR-57T]

Haha, life would be boring if people didn't have a sense of humour ;) The only person on LS1 that annoys me is Tuffie, his little personal vendetta against me seems to stretch into every post I make on these forums. However, like I said, I wanted to see an opinion from the other side of the fence, I wasn't pushing my point of view, just broadening my horizons :)


At 19 with perfect vision I highly doubt either mate :p

my 5yo cousin wears glasses :p

Maybe you need to go back and read your posts to work out why Tuffie has a vendetta against you.

It could well be the immature P Plater attitude that you skillfully throw out there.
People dont just pick for no reason

But your one of many young temporary australians out there.
just dont get angry when we cut the innocent passed by out of their car first no matter how much you scream in pain, or how soon you'll bleed out

[heavyduty1340]

Originally Posted by HOWQUICK
when you operate a Speed Shop and have every dckhead known to man come down after hours and try an impress you with their pathetic static powerless crap after dropping oil all over the road and their blown Uniroyal 185s all over the place, you get mighty sick of it. Never mind the other businesses that have to endure the road looking like a dead shit party house.

Next thing is the cop stakeout with your customers getting pulled over and harassed for coming to visit because of the dead shits that leave their mark everywhere.....

I see forum members cars with other shops names enblazened all over them reguarly in my street being dickheads....it gets noted........and I haven't ran out of bricks and lumps of wood yet.

An industrial area is where people operate their businesses from....not some open slather area for losers to do burnouts....would you like it outside your house? I think not. Show some respect for where people are trying to earn their living....your house is only where you live. one of my neighbours is so pissed with it he has installed hidden cameras so he has the photos to give to the plod for hoon law enforcement....

If you have to do burn outs, why not at the Wednesday Night burn out comp where people can watch your skills rather than gutlessly slinking around the back streets at night pissing people off?-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Originally Posted by WOMBIE
Be very careful that your difference of opinion doesn't push little red dude to the point where he wants to see you in person......believe him he will


I suppose I will just add it to the list of forum goons that want to get/stitch me up.....:rofl:



I will actually pay money to see this - I wonder if his face would turn a brighter shade of red as John rams it fair up his arse haahaa:rofl::rofl:

[`redoctober]

my 5yo cousin wears glasses :p

Maybe you need to go back and read your posts to work out why Tuffie has a vendetta against you.

It could well be the immature P Plater attitude that you skillfully throw out there.
People dont just pick for no reason

This vendetta stretches back almost 2 years now, so maybe it was my attitude back then but not now. I'm open to all points of view :)

Some people just don't let things go very easily ;)

For the record, I've never had stockies on the back of my car (bar one time when I only had the money for the rears to be changed) and my last set of tyres lasted me 20,000km, I'm not one of the ones doing the burnouts, however I'm not entirely against it.

[V-Car]

A 10 second standstill burnout rather than 30 minutes of swinging hoops to impress 'the boys'

There are clinics you could visit if you have problems with premature ejaculation!

[Vulture]

There are many reasons red. Consider some of the following (brief list):

-Grief and trauma to emergency services/hospital staff who have to clean up when things go horribly wrong (and they have/do).

10yrs as an emergency department doctor and I've yet to clean up anyone who got hurt doing a burnout....

[`redoctober]

There are clinics you could visit if you have problems with premature ejaculation!
http://files.getdropbox.com/u/28197/Gifs/fifty-wtf.gif


10yrs as an emergency department doctor and I've yet to clean up anyone who got hurt doing a burnout....
...

[HSVQUE]

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[KuRT12]

Dude, becareful.. police use these forums :rofl:

[bouka]

10yrs as an emergency department doctor and I've yet to clean up anyone who got hurt doing a burnout....

Very happy to hear that Simon and no one is more qualified than you to comment.

You would be a very fortunate ER Doc, however, if you have never dealt with the aftermath of a motor vehicle accident. Several ER Doc/Nurses i have met in the major trauma hospitals in Vic have many stories to tell.

As have many emergency services guys/gals (ambos, police and MFB) who have to pick up the pieces of cars and bodies at a scene where some "hoon" has decided to fly off down the road after a nice big skid only to meet with some pole/front fence/other car.

I can only but imagine that cleaning up such a mess or attempting to put the bits and pieces of a shattered body (surviver) together or having to tell a family that they have lost a loved one is not much fun for any of the medical or emergency services staff.

I am sure that some of our esteemed members of the Police force (around the country) would have some memories/experiences they would care to forget.

It's not that long a bow to draw.

[White Rider]

Very happy to hear that Simon and no one is more qualified than you to comment.

You would be a very fortunate ER Doc, however, if you have never dealt with the aftermath of a motor vehicle accident. Several ER Doc/Nurses i have met in the major trauma hospitals in Vic have many stories to tell.

As have many emergency services guys/gals (ambos, police and MFB) who have to pick up the pieces of cars and bodies at a scene where some "hoon" has decided to fly off down the road after a nice big skid only to meet with some pole/front fence/other car.

I can only but imagine that cleaning up such a mess or attempting to put the bits and pieces of a shattered body (surviver) together or having to tell a family that they have lost a loved one is not much fun for any of the medical or emergency services staff.

I am sure that some of our esteemed members of the Police force (around the country) would have some memories/experiences they would care to forget.

It's not that long a bow to draw.


I think he said he hasn't met anyone who has been hurt doing a burnout as opposed to other automotive accidents.

I got wiped out by a speeding hoon (losing control in the opposite direction no less) and its really the momentum that does the damage not stationary burnouts.

Burnouts are just disrespectful when done in the suburbs. They dont always equal an impending drag race, which would be very hazardous.

PS. no, I dont do burnouts.

[Nidz]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/HSVQUE/200820091259.jpg

ROFL :rofl::rofl: Love the MS paint smoke

[bouka]

Your right as is Vulture and I certainly wasn't having a dig at Vulture's comment. Like i said, Simon is more qualified than most to comment and his input as a Medical Doctor to such conversations is invaluable.

I am simply trying to say that the young guys need to have a better understanding of what the outcomes of their behaviour can be.

Burnouts (for the most part) CAN be harmless. It is the behaviour that follows that leads to the accidents. There have been situations when burnouts have resulted in tragic accidents and although it may not be the normal outcome of such behaviour, it is certainly putting those doing it and those around it at a greater danger for something to go wrong.


A tough topic to deal with and comment on and my original comments were in response to redoctobers request for some reasons to help him further understand the other side of the argument and maybe give him an understanding of what could happen.

Hope you are ok White Rider.

[GODSMACK]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v665/HSVQUE/200820091259.jpg

Transformers..................... more than meets the eyes.....

[keepleft]

Anyway, as for the lights, well mine are driving lights - standard on the SS. They are not fog lights.
Wrong, the lights in the lower bumper/apron are complianced front fog lamps.


My lights are white, no good for fog, you need yellow for fog.
Wrong again. 99% of new market vehicles worldwide are supplied with "white-optic" front fogs. Hella advise you can lose up to 15% of effective light output with "Selective Yellow" front fogs.


Driving lights are for driving on dusk.
Your terminology is messed up, your 'driving lights' are, again per above, complianced front fog lamps, and so your statement that front fog lamps are for driving at dusk is incorrect, UNLESS visibility is reduced by rain, fog, bushfire smoke, falling snow and the like.



When its dark you turn on your head lights.
Yes, this is 'the law' nationwide and throughout_the_world_in_f.a.c.t!!


Its not against the law to drive with your driving lights on.
Terminology again, in your case you are referring to front fog lamps. Complianced "driving lamps" are actually a lamp used to aid the cars regular high-beam headlamp performance only, are only wired to operate when the cars regular headlamp switch is flicked to high-beam.

Aftermarket installs *must* have a separate switch, so the driver can use only the cars regular high-beam only, or the driving lamp when she/he presses/flicks its switch, BUT power is fed into the circuit only when the regular headlamp switch is also set to high-beam!



It is against the law to drive with fog lights on, only to be used when foggy.
Front fog lamps may only be used under hazardous weather conditions bought about by rain, falling snow (excellent in that), fog, bushfire smoke, dustorms - or on gravel roads where dust restricts vision. They have a typical hand-fan shaped beam pattern and a forward 'reach' of anything from 2 metres out to 50, with 10 metres being typical. The 'pattern' is designed so at REDUCED SPEED in say fog, you can better see the edges of the road. In 'normal' weather conditions, the front fog lamps low forward range is EASILY OUTDRIVEN at speed.

Under crappy visibility conditions, reducing speed and relying on the cars parkers (sidelights) and just the front fogs, allows other traffic to see your front indicators more clearly, as often low-beam can mask that function to varying degree.

Every year or two we get the same 'fog' discussions around the forums as newer drivers hit the streets, a signal perhaps that some States need to 'fix' their driver handbooks.

The use of front and rear fog lamps is dealt with at ARR 217, now ARR 217 in turn is compliant with the rest_of_the_world_team where the "United Nations Convention on Road Traffic", restricts use of the lamp to poor visibility conditions, OR "on twisty mountainous roads at night, when in clear weather".

The concept being that primary road rules throughout the world are the same, vis; keep left in RHD countries, right in LHD etc.


SIG:
http://www.nbntv.com.au/index.php/2009/07/14/calls-for-improved-roadside-safety/

[Podge]

i thought the driving lights in my VE automatically come on when i put the parkers on (never really taken much notice to be honest) and they cannot be turned off unless all the lights are turned off (once again, havent taken much notice).

[GODSMACK]

i thought the driving lights in my VE automatically come on when i put the parkers on (never really taken much notice to be honest) and they cannot be turned off unless all the lights are turned off (once again, havent taken much notice).

The knob that turns the lights on/off can be pushed in/pulled out to turn the driving lights on/off as required.

[keepleft]

Fellas, again -

IF the lamps are the two located in the lower apron; THEY BE FRONT FOG LAMPS, not 'driving'. I'll see if I can attach the ISO front fog symbol that is used on the front fog switch sometime.

Another way to determine this; by looking at the lesn compliance coding, near the "EMark" will be the designation "B", for example "O2B". THe letter B tells authorities that the lamp is a complianced front fog lamp.

A driving lamp on the other hand, uses the designation "R", example "HR" or HR-P". (H=halogen, P=plastic lens).

Some models will have cornering lamps, but their operation is different and automatic; low-beam on and indicator on. I've seen some 'dumb' people rewire these so they stay on full time, a defect.

Now, the automatic "lights on" feature should only operate low beam headlights.





http://www.nbntv.com.au/index.php/2009/07/14/calls-for-improved-roadside-safety/

[Podge]

The knob that turns the lights on/off can be pushed in/pulled out to turn the driving lights on/off as required.

ah ok.. never knew that one

[GODSMACK]

ah ok.. never knew that one

All good champ.. when i first got my VE, i couldnt work out how to turn my driving lights on!!! Never thought to pull the knob out towards me... Was too stubborn to look into the cars manual, the Mrs ended up working it out and telling me..!! Owned!!!

[mmm]

Wrong, the lights in the lower bumper/apron are complianced front fog lamps.


Wrong again. 99% of new market vehicles worldwide are supplied with "white-optic" front fogs. Hella advise you can lose up to 15% of effective light output with "Selective Yellow" front fogs.


Your terminology is messed up, your 'driving lights' are, again per above, complianced front fog lamps, and so your statement that front fog lamps are for driving at dusk is incorrect, UNLESS visibility is reduced by rain, fog, bushfire smoke, falling snow and the like.



Yes, this is 'the law' nationwide and throughout_the_world_in_f.a.c.t!!


Terminology again, in your case you are referring to front fog lamps. Complianced "driving lamps" are actually a lamp used to aid the cars regular high-beam headlamp performance only, are only wired to operate when the cars regular headlamp switch is flicked to high-beam.

Aftermarket installs *must* have a separate switch, so the driver can use only the cars regular high-beam only, or the driving lamp when she/he presses/flicks its switch, BUT power is fed into the circuit only when the regular headlamp switch is also set to high-beam!



Front fog lamps may only be used under hazardous weather conditions bought about by rain, falling snow (excellent in that), fog, bushfire smoke, dustorms - or on gravel roads where dust restricts vision. They have a typical hand-fan shaped beam pattern and a forward 'reach' of anything from 2 metres out to 50, with 10 metres being typical. The 'pattern' is designed so at REDUCED SPEED in say fog, you can better see the edges of the road. In 'normal' weather conditions, the front fog lamps low forward range is EASILY OUTDRIVEN at speed.

Under crappy visibility conditions, reducing speed and relying on the cars parkers (sidelights) and just the front fogs, allows other traffic to see your front indicators more clearly, as often low-beam can mask that function to varying degree.

Every year or two we get the same 'fog' discussions around the forums as newer drivers hit the streets, a signal perhaps that some States need to 'fix' their driver handbooks.

The use of front and rear fog lamps is dealt with at ARR 217, now ARR 217 in turn is compliant with the rest_of_the_world_team where the "United Nations Convention on Road Traffic", restricts use of the lamp to poor visibility conditions, OR "on twisty mountainous roads at night, when in clear weather".

The concept being that primary road rules throughout the world are the same, vis; keep left in RHD countries, right in LHD etc.


SIG:
http://www.nbntv.com.au/index.php/2009/07/14/calls-for-improved-roadside-safety/

in summary, driving around with them on qualifies you as a wanker

I may have been guilty for a short period in 02 with my new VUII ute

[GODSMACK]

in summary, driving around with them on qualifies you as a wanker


Addition: during the day, yes....

[keepleft]

Note to self, mutter mutter, NSW penalty soon to exceed $210 and 3 demerits for use of driving, sorry front fogs....

(up from $75)
.
:-)




Addition: during the day, yes....
AND at night UNLESS under hazardous weather conditions causing reduced visibility.


Can you imagine IF GovCo mandated DRL's?? The JOY some of you would gain, sheesh.


www.lightsout.org

[GODSMACK]

Note to self, mutter mutter, NSW penalty soon to exceed $210 and 3 demerits for use of driving, sorry front fogs....

(up from $75)
.
:-)




AND at night UNLESS under hazardous weather conditions causing reduced visibility.


Can you imagine IF GovCo mandated DRL's?? The JOY some of you would gain, sheesh.


www.lightsout.org

I admit to having my driving lights on 99% of the time when driving at night, only because i like having the additional light, and it helps with spotting roo's easier on the side of the road as the headlights on the VE SS arent too crash hot.

I do thoe see plenty of Silvia drivers with there yellow foggies on in clear conditions, definetly a wank factor...

[mmm]

Addition: during the day, yes....

No actually, I think day or night, fog lights = wanker

[nang3]

$210+ 3points for having foggys on FFS !!! whats next, $15k for failing to keep left on a dual lane highway?

[GODSMACK]

No actually, I think day or night, fog lights = wanker

Just so im not confused, are the lights you find in the SS front bar fog lights or driving lights? I think im getting them confused...

[Podge]

All good champ.. when i first got my VE, i couldnt work out how to turn my driving lights on!!! Never thought to pull the knob out towards me... Was too stubborn to look into the cars manual, the Mrs ended up working it out and telling me..!! Owned!!!

Owners Manual?? What is this that you speak of? :o

[SS Enforcer]

There are many reasons red. Consider some of the following (brief list):

-Grief and trauma to emergency services/hospital staff who have to clean up when things go horribly wrong (and they have/do).
-Grief and trauma to family, friends etc of those who get seriously injured/killed when something goes wrong.
-Burden on emergency services/hospital system who have to allocate time and resources to deal with "accidents" that result from stupid/reckless/completely avoidable behaviour when they could/should be responding to other situations.
-The fact that these guys must learn that illegal behaviour, regardless of where/how it is undertaken, must be policed and they must respect the law.

What from doing a burnout !!!

cheers

[mmm]

Just so im not confused, are the lights you find in the SS front bar fog lights or driving lights? I think im getting them confused...

have a read of keeplefts 2 posts on page 5 & 6
he explains they are foglights

note the line on designed for reduced speed, you easily outdrive the beam at speed (I totally agree from experience) hence my stance on people i see with them on

[GODSMACK]

Now, the automatic "lights on" feature should only operate low beam headlights.





http://www.nbntv.com.au/index.php/2009/07/14/calls-for-improved-roadside-safety/

If the headlight knob is pulled out, then the fog/driving lights will also turn on when the auto lights on feature is anabled.

we have a tunnel here in the ACT, and when driving thru, both my low beam and fog/driving lights turn on. This wouldnt be the case if i pushed the knob in to deactivate the driving/fog lights.




you easily outdrive the beam at speed (I totally agree from experience) hence my stance on people i see with them on
I wish my car was faster than the speed of light..... :1peek:

[SS Enforcer]

10yrs as an emergency department doctor and I've yet to clean up anyone who got hurt doing a burnout....

I reckon by the time you retire you still won't see one either Simon.

I do think that there should be a public pad somewhere where they can go and smoke em up as much as they want. Not at street drags either as it wastes time.

Howquick has a very good point regarding making a mess in the estates outside business's it's a pain in the ass I am sure for the owners. We get em out front of my work at the end of a cul de sac .... allways rubber marks everywhere.

cheers

[mmm]

I wish my car was faster than the speed of light..... :1peek:

haha I didn't pick up on that one....but let's not get technical

[VX2VESS]

most of them are probably stolen spare wheels as well

[nang3]

I reckon by the time you retire you still won't see one either Simon.

I do think that there should be a public pad somewhere where they can go and smoke em up as much as they want. Not at street drags either as it wastes time.

Howquick has a very good point regarding making a mess in the estates outside business's it's a pain in the ass I am sure for the owners. We get em out front of my work at the end of a cul de sac .... allways rubber marks everywhere.

cheers

same!!!

build a few acres of burnout pads out the back of some shithole area and let people smoke em til they get bored.... sign a waiver when you enter saying no one but your own self is responsible for any and all liabilities...
Enter at your Own risk and take responsibilities for your own actions type of thing so wouldnt cost a cent to the govt to run except for 1 dude to watch you sign the release form...
get work the dole and prisoners to do all the labour to build the place..

will never happen in this nanny state/country we live in.
easy as!!!

[TUFGN3]

im not into burnouts and such but living where I do there are far too many tools in town who skid it every single chance they get, this idea would get all the wankers away from houses and industrial estates where they can do damage. In all reality they probably wouldnt use it because you are allowing what they have never been allowed to do, thus taking away the whole, look at me im a hero doing illegal burnouts kick im sure they get from it.

[VX2VESS]

if burnouts never became a part of car events then the problem would be minimal.

they just want to imitate what they see, its easy doesn't involve excess speed etc to copy this stuff on the roads.

before burnout became the thing to do the most you would see is a bit of smoke off from the lights, now its burn them down to nothing wherever you can amongst the steelies. So i assume if burnouts never became an event in the first place we would not have this widespread epidemic going on now. you see burnout patches on roads almost everywhere these days..

worse still and more recent again is the amount of idiots practising drifting on the streets, that's where most of the crashes come about more so than burnouts. local guy recently had commy ute then gets a WRX, smashed it into a pole drifting on the road.

[XUV]

Your a Tool Robert :flipoff:

It's '' you're '' , seeing we're all being righteous and forgotten our P plate year/s :goodjob:

[GODSMACK]

It's '' you're '' , seeing we're all being righteous and forgotten our P plate year/s :goodjob:

He also forgot the full stop at the end of the sentence. :nono:

[BigFella]

its about bloody time, stockies on the back of a car are gay, look cheap, try hard, trying to make a fully sick V6 look tough, 80% of them are on bog cars that dont even have an LSD, did i say they look gay?

yeah....and usually the blokes drivin with them on have crappy cars anyway and the front 20" mags still on are worth more than the car.


TOSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEERRRRRRR have stockies on the back!

you know who u are!, have a look in the mirror, everyone thinks ur a h0mo! :)

[wikky]

It's '' you're '' , seeing we're all being righteous and forgotten our P plate year/s :goodjob:

Hmmm, when I was on my P's I wasn't one of these farkwits who goes around doing burnouts 'cos I can. I'm pretty sure it's an IQ thing, not an age thing.

[mac06]

same!!!

build a few acres of burnout pads out the back of some shithole area and let people smoke em til they get bored.... sign a waiver when you enter saying no one but your own self is responsible for any and all liabilities...
Enter at your Own risk and take responsibilities for your own actions type of thing so wouldnt cost a cent to the govt to run except for 1 dude to watch you sign the release form...
get work the dole and prisoners to do all the labour to build the place..

will never happen in this nanny state/country we live in.
easy as!!!

You're right about the nanny state, but the trouble is if some 19yo "P" plater signed a waiver and proceeded to injure himself or a bystander, then the parents would be kicking up about the government allowing it to happen in the first place and encouraging "hooning". There would also be a lot of cost involved in public liability insurance to run the place. Having said that, if it gets people off the local or business district streets to somewhere else it would be a great idea.

[nang3]

^^ thats why theres a 100% waiver that takes away 100% responsibility from the govt and employees of said burnout patch therefore no public liability needed.. 18yrs+ so only 'adults' can use it and you play you pay !!! you crash and break your neck its no ones fault but your own..

but your right, suddenly the road safety tools who have been bleating endlessly about "taking it off the streets" will suddenly be like OMG how can you let them burn rubber like that = hooning etc..

pretty much a lose:lose:fail:fail situation for everyone bar government revenues

[`redoctober]

^^ thats why theres a 100% waiver that takes away 100% responsibility from the govt and employees of said burnout patch therefore no public liability needed.. 18yrs+ so only 'adults' can use it and you play you pay !!! you crash and break your neck its no ones fault but your own..


There is no such thing as a legally sound waiver. Even if everybody that goes on the property signs it, the owner of the property is liable for any damage or harm that may come to participants.

It's for this reason that there is no public place as such, only pre-organised skidpan days with proper safety equipment and procedures.

[Vulture]

Fellas, again -
IF the lamps are the two located in the lower apron; THEY BE FRONT FOG LAMPS, not 'driving'. I'll see if I can attach the ISO front fog symbol that is used on the front fog switch sometime.


The lights in the lower apron of the VE HSVs contain both a set of fog lights AND a set of driving lights. This seems to be too much for some HSV owners to understand. ie one set that comes on with the pull of the headlamp switch (foglamps with the associated symbol you speak of) and the upper set that comes on with highbeams only.


All good champ.. when i first got my VE, i couldnt work out how to turn my driving lights on!!! Never thought to pull the knob out towards me... Was too stubborn to look into the cars manual, the Mrs ended up working it out and telling me..!! Owned!!!


I admit to having my driving lights on 99% of the time when driving at night

You mean FOG LIGHTS on 99% of the time? :soap: You must be one of those people who don't understand why I flash my fog lights. TURN THEM OFF FFS. :1peek:

[kpop]

saw a 'SWH' (steel wheel hoon) today. vs commo, with probably 21" chromes up the front, and what looked like 16" stockies on the rear. taking off from the light it looked like his car was ready for take off. i never did understand the whole ass down front waaaaay high up look :confused:

[keepleft]

NSW related - news >ENFORCEMENT, 2 September 2009

NSW LAB; An additional 48 highway patrol staff, above and beyond the existing 1,100 are to be trained, employed and deployed. News coverage highlights 'poor behaviour/attitude' (by road users), ignoring various traffic rules. Some staffers will be freed from GD policing.
http://www.police.nsw.gov.au/about_us/minister_for_police


NSW LIB Opposition; will work to free even more staff from GD, and will re-work traffic penalties I do suggest, beyond the speed subject. In fact, signal much change in this portfolio and dept.

Both sides of politics in NSW are harmonised on improved vehicle specs (ADR and ARR).



http://www.nbntv.com.au/index.php/2009/07/14/calls-for-improved-roadside-safety/

[TUFFIE]

The only person on LS1 that annoys me is Tuffie, his little personal vendetta against me seems to stretch into every post I make on these forums. However, like I said, I wanted to see an opinion from the other side of the fence, I wasn't pushing my point of view, just broadening my horizons :)
:p

Young Red.. I may be the only person that annoys YOU....BUT there are several others on LS1 that You annoy..I will say one word DVD.....People are still waiting...
Your credibility on this forum is Zero....and from what has just transpired it seems that this will stay at ZERO...so in short if you have no credibility=no respect.
One day when you are old enough you will learn this lesson... but as it stands you Just sit in your little corner and try to show some sort of maturity.

There my Son is your lesson for the day.

[Mr_SS-V]

im a proud wanker on a daily basis......

[LSavvy]

But in all seriousness, low beam lights that have not been adjusted properly are far more annoying than foglights pointing down.

100% agreed, very common on cabs!

[VZMY06SS]

In my opinion, correctly adjusted fog lights do not cause a "wall of light". I was of the opinion that fog lights were meant to point at the road surface, to minimize glare that is caused by bright lights in fog. But it seems that it is the loud minorities that get their way. There is not one person that I know personally that has an issue with fog lights being used whenever people want, and yet some unhappy little group of whingers are the ones who get noticed.

On the topic of steel wheels on the back. Yes it is illegal but it doesn't make you a hoon. These days anything that is considered unbecoming of a driver is labeled as hoon behavior. Driving around with steel wheels on the back of your car is the same as having no water in your wiper bottle. It is illegal by definition, but it is not being a 'hoon'. I could knock the hubcaps of my grandad's exec and people would think him a hoon.

Mass generalization is ruining today's society, and taking away a lot of our freedom. We really are turning into a pack of whingers :spew:

Steve

[nick_]

I think the half n half look is rather pointless(stupid) for anything other than going to or from a drag strip. It just draws unnecessary attention. Personally, my set of drag rubber will be disguised by 16" SV6 rims. And to be honest, it wasn't at all expensive and you would think nothing of it if i drove by. Will be very interesting once the turbo is bolted on..

-Nick.

[GODSMACK]

You mean FOG LIGHTS on 99% of the time? :soap: You must be one of those people who don't understand why I flash my fog lights. TURN THEM OFF FFS. :1peek:

Its a bit hard for me to see you flashing your lights at me when we you are in QLD and I am in the ACT... :1peek:

The only time im annoyed by ones lights is when they are travelling in the opposite direction at night and they couldnt be bothered turning off their high beams.

Other than that, people with their fog lights on - pfft, WGAF!

[macca33]

Someone give me a coherent and logical reason why doing burnouts in an industrial estate at night with nobody around is harmful to ANYONE, and I might just jump on board.

Until then, it's just revenue raising.
Because you do not OWN the road - it is a public asset and doing burnouts causes damage.

Why not lay yourself down a nice 30m x 30m pad in your own yard, then go to your heart's content.

How does making people drive around in a car with correct load rated and ADR approved wheel/tyre sizes amount to revenue raising?

[seldo]

$210+ 3points for having foggys on FFS !!! whats next, $15k for failing to keep left on a dual lane highway?No....but it should be!

[Podge]

The knob that turns the lights on/off can be pushed in/pulled out to turn the driving lights on/off as required.

i give this a go... knob doesnt go in or pull out... it appears that they are always on when the headlights or parkers are on... i should pull that manual thing you suggested out

[vyc4b]

Tuffie, I don't know how you got in considering I didn't leave the door open, but to clarify, I'm open minded about the situation and I want to see if someone can give me another perspective on the issue.

Hopefully that made sense to you, I tried to simplify it as much as I could.



I'm only 2 pages in and already I had to quote this one........LOL :rofl:
don't take there sh1t 'Red, get into em.
:headbang:

[Chappie]

Someone give me a coherent and logical reason why doing burnouts in an industrial estate at night with nobody around is harmful to ANYONE, and I might just jump on board.

Until then, it's just revenue raising.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/Mastersv8/Dodgeball_Wrench_to_the_Face7fa.gif


if your difference of opinion pushes me to the point to where I want to see you in person, you better believe I will :)

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/Mastersv8/internet_tough_guy.jpg

[Nidz]

I spotted this dude down in Oakleigh last night installing some steelies on his GTS... I was thinking what the hell are you doing mon!

http://users.tpg.com.au/nbaxter/nidz/steelies.jpg

I think he was getting ready to go cruisin with da boyz! He was armed with a Transformers sticker as well..

[mustanger]

:rofl: That looks like Uncle Tone`s car :teach::confused::jester:

[SHANESVZSS]

whats the go with the transormer sticker on new cars anyway?? :confused:

[wikky]

whats the go with the transormer sticker on new cars anyway?? :confused:

For three reasons Shane:

1. It's good for 10-15rwkw
2. It reunites one with their childhood
3. It looks fully sick bra

:jester:

[Chappie]

:rofl: That looks like Uncle Tone`s car :teach::confused::jester:

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/Mastersv8/newford.jpg:confused:

[SSV8TE]

whats the go with the transormer sticker on new cars anyway?? :confused:

Stops the cops from pulling you up. They just too scared of you then especially armed with 2 matt black steelies fitted:lol:

[Blown 540]

i give this a go... knob doesnt go in or pull out... it appears that they are always on when the headlights or parkers are on... i should pull that manual thing you suggested out

Ahh the old foglight debate.

Come on CSP you know you want to jump in here and sort these blokes out ,they have no idea.

[KuRT12]

Phew, fog lights arent illegal in victoria are they?

[GODSMACK]

Phew, fog lights arent illegal in victoria are they?

Yes, if you are under 25. I notice your 19, please remove them before you get defected..

[Knawful]

There is no such thing as a legally sound waiver. Even if everybody that goes on the property signs it, the owner of the property is liable for any damage or harm that may come to participants.

It's for this reason that there is no public place as such, only pre-organised skidpan days with proper safety equipment and procedures.

TAC cover's you on private land as long as you have the land owner's permission to be there.
Sign a waiver and go for it.
I had TAC cover on the quad as i could'nt get rec-rego, that covered any insurance worries a landowner had.

[`redoctober]

TAC cover's you on private land as long as you have the land owner's permission to be there.
Sign a waiver and go for it.
I had TAC cover on the quad as i could'nt get rec-rego, that covered any insurance worries a landowner had.

People are still eligible to sue though, so I'm not sure anyone would like to take that risk with their land lol.

[KuRT12]

Yes, if you are under 25. I notice your 19, please remove them before you get defected..
Hilarious,

however i would need a car first in order to remove them..

[`redoctober]

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii306/Mastersv8/Dodgeball_Wrench_to_the_Face7fa.gif


Well if it isn't the brains trust :)

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/9418/haigusise.gif

Hey there!

[Nidz]

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[Bobman]

Just reading through a few posts in this thread and agree about rubber pieces and black marks being detrimental to the image of businesses in those areas.

In relation to the avoidable injuries and so on and use of ambulance and police resources; what about all the piss heads every weekend bashing people, getting alcohol poisoning, falling over and so on? That's a far greater issue and a massive drain on hospitals, police and ambulances (especially on weekends) than people doing burnouts in industrial areas. Can you imagine the uproar if people were impounded and sold off to overseas labour for being drunk in public?

[wikky]

Just reading through a few posts in this thread and agree about rubber pieces and black marks being detrimental to the image of businesses in those areas.

In relation to the avoidable injuries and so on and use of ambulance and police resources; what about all the piss heads every weekend bashing people, getting alcohol poisoning, falling over and so on? That's a far greater issue and a massive drain on hospitals, police and ambulances (especially on weekends) than people doing burnouts in industrial areas. Can you imagine the uproar if people were impounded and sold off to overseas labour for being drunk in public?

:bawl: You forgot to add all the resources that are used to save the cute fluffy little kittens that get stuck in people's walls and down drainpipes. HTFU.
The topic here is about farkwads thinking it's ok to do burnouts on public roads, endangering themselves, others around and private property.

[cashie]

Someone give me a coherent and logical reason why doing burnouts in an industrial estate at night with nobody around is harmful to ANYONE, and I might just jump on board.

Until then, it's just revenue raising.

How about the fact that the people that live and work in the area don't want to have to listen to and look at the results of your stupidity?
Go and do burnouts in your parents driveway..


when you operate a Speed Shop and have every dckhead known to man come down after hours and try an impress you with their pathetic static powerless crap after dropping oil all over the road and their blown Uniroyal 185s all over the place, you get mighty sick of it. Never mind the other businesses that have to endure the road looking like a dead shit party house.

Next thing is the cop stakeout with your customers getting pulled over and harassed for coming to visit because of the dead shits that leave their mark everywhere.....

I see forum members cars with other shops names enblazened all over them reguarly in my street being dickheads....it gets noted........and I haven't ran out of bricks and lumps of wood yet.

An industrial area is where people operate their businesses from....not some open slather area for losers to do burnouts....would you like it outside your house? I think not. Show some respect for where people are trying to earn their living....your house is only where you live. one of my neighbours is so pissed with it he has installed hidden cameras so he has the photos to give to the plod for hoon law enforcement....

If you have to do burn outs, why not at the Wednesday Night burn out comp where people can watch your skills rather than gutlessly slinking around the back streets at night pissing people off?

Bloody good post!