Ryzz, Swingtan & Macca33 get Exclusive sneak peak at HSV E2

[Ryzz]

Well a Massive thanks has to be given to HSV for extending an Invitation to Myself, Swingtan & Macca33 to come down to the HSV Factory in Clayton today for an exclusive introduction to the new HSV E2 Series before they are released on Wednesday.

As you can all understand, HSV's invitation comes with certain conditions, the main one being that we have to adhere to a Media Embargo and cannot reveal any specific details about the E2 until after the Launch on Wednesday, but rest assured we have seen them in the flesh and can bring you all the details after Wednesday.

Hopefully Swingtan and Macca33 will jump in here and put out there thoughts. However what I will say, after seeing them in the flesh, is they look really good and the many many new features will have many people wanting to upgrade. The only thing we can assure is that the massive changes to the E2 will leave no people wondering if its an E1 or E2.

Come Wednesday 9/09/09 9:10am we will be able to supply exclusive pictures taken by Swingtan today at the HSV Factory, we will also be able to fill in the gaps on the new features and options for the models.

[VX-355]

Well done guys.... looking forward in see what you have for us:goodjob:

[bad88u]

what a gee up.:goodjob:

[swingtan]

What a great day we had! So much information was given and the cars looked so good that it was a hard choice between chatting with the reps and looking at the cars. The BIG thing we can say is that the HSV E2 looks so much better in the flesh than those "spy" shots gave it credit for. These cars look very, very nice.

We met with the head PR guy ( Simon Frost ) as well as the chief of design ( Julian Quincey ). Julian went through the design work that has gone into the E2 and there has been a heap of work put in. It was very impressive to gain some personal time with the guy over seeing the new car and some of the new innovations built in to the car.

I spent most of the time with one ear listening to Julian and one eye fixed to the camera. The only proviso for me getting to take pics was that I had to leave the memory card with HSV till the release on Wednesday. Small price to pay though, when you consider the chance to see the new release.

One thing I will leave you with though..... HSV has the best boardroom table that I have seen!!!!

Simon.

Most of you guys are going to love the new line up. So many choices!

[kpop]

if the physical changes are significant as you say, then lets hope the price of current shape HSV's will drop significantly too !

[LSX-438]

wow, nice!

so, does it look anything like the various pics going around? (seriously hope not)

[BigAl83]

:nutkick:
Lucky so and so's... *mumbles incoherently*

:worthless:
:hide:

[1BEAST2NV]

:worthless:

just jokes :D

thats good to know, cos ive decided to buy a "E" series clubby in about 6 months instead of a "Z" series now...

this means when I go to buy mine, they will be alot cheaper :goodjob:

Im sure they'll look awesome as holden have spend alot of time on it.

EDIT:^^^ bigal beet me to it hahahah :lmao:

[iloveholden]

Lucky bastards...looking forward to Wednesday and then seeing them in the flesh :)

[bad88u]

how do they get these cars to the dealers without anybody seeing them before the release date (might sound like a dumb Question.)

[SINISTER R8]

How the hell did you manage to get that privilege, lucky as, the envy of many HSV fans. cant wait to see the new cars too and hear all about them. Also see this table you speak of

[bouka]

i am assuming this was a media launch and you gents were included?

Qudos to LS1.com.au for scoring an invite!

Looking forward to Wednesday morning.

[Strick]

Fantastic work guys, very lucky. How were you in a position to get the invitation, if you dont mind me asking. Will be good to see the pics you can put up at 0911 on wednesday.

cheers

[redvxr8clubby]

HSV website has a countdown timer that looks to be counting down to Wednesday 9AM, so I guess their website will be updated for E2 then. I think Holden announce their MY10 changes on Tuesday morning?

[kpop]

here are some supposed leaked pictures

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2010_hsv_gts_pavle_01.jpg

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2010_hsv_gts_pavle_02.jpg

http://www.themotorreport.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/2010_hsv_gts_pavle_03.jpg

[Tre-Cool]

im upset. Where was my invitation?

:lol:

eww i hope the leaked photos are not the new model. Looks like a camry,ford merge.

[WLDLS1]

well if thats what they look like then they are ugly. they are the new HSV AURION. not for me thanks.

[Avalanche]

Hey guys, this is a great opportunity for us to get the info on specs & options from members that have seen it in the flesh. That is far easier than dealing with sales reps that know nothing of what they are selling, other than what is in the brochure. Hope there is plenty of tourer pics & options up on wed to see.:goodjob:

[macca33]

I'll comprehensively agree with Ryzz and Swingtan - what an exciting day.

Many thanks to Simon FROST, Julian QUINCY and the powers that be at HSV for providing this opportunity for our very own pre-release briefing.

It is a given that manufacturers such as HSV do actually pay a lot of attention to the discussions on this forum, especially since members here form a significant portion of their loyal customer base. Their recognition of the role that this forum plays will, hopefully, develop into more opportunities such as this in the future.

Now, having ranted......the cars - well, I'll say at the start that I was very negative in my opinion after seeing the well-publicised spy-shots (most of which appear in previous posts - above) - I thought the front end was way overdone and almost gimmicky.

One look of the range in the flesh quickly dispelled that pre-conception - they look sensational.

There are new options and 'upgrades' which will impress potential buyers and without saying too much, GTS purchasers will regain the level of model distinction that past GTS' had.

Even better, the Senator is the jewel in the line-up and looks sensational; especially the front-end treatment. (Of course the Senator was always going to shine and be the BEST of the breed!)

There are also some very nice additions to the colour palette - two of which really look the goods.

It was a huge honour to speak to the head of design - Julian QUINCY - and have him run us through the changes, both subtle and none too subtle, that his team made to E2 - many of the subtle design changes are just that, but together, add to a stronger, bolder and tougher look. It was quite refreshing to hear the hows and reasons why vehicle designers do what they do - all very good and a great insight into HSV's operations / decision making process.

I was impressed overall - still prefer the rear-end spoiler look of the Senator, as compared to the other sedans, however, all look great and people will immediately know that it is an E2 when they see the cars on the road.

I've probably said too much, although, have kept my post as generic in description as possible, whilst feebly attempting to convey how impressive I believe this model is. I'm going to be doing some sums over the next few months - something I said I never would with an E series derivative - an E2 Senator Signature is potentially on the cards!

cheers

[Vulture]

Great scoop guys but tell me, after being offered this great opportunity, would any of you really tell us if you didn't like them? I sure hope you are right (that they look better in the flesh).

[VW Golf R32]

As you can all understand, HSV's invitation comes with certain conditions, the main one being that we have to adhere to a Media Embargo and cannot reveal any specific details about the E2 until after the Launch on Wednesday, but rest assured we have seen them in the flesh and can bring you all the details after Wednesday.

So you will tell us on Wednesday about the LPG models?

[Ryzz]

i am assuming this was a media launch and you gents were included?

Qudos to LS1.com.au for scoring an invite!

Looking forward to Wednesday morning.

This was NOT a media launch, that is Wednesday. This was a reveal EXCLUSIVE to LS1.com.au and Myself and the two others were invited down as guests of HSV as part of an ongoing commitment towards further developing a relationship between LS1.com.au and Holden/HSV.


Fantastic work guys, very lucky. How were you in a position to get the invitation, if you dont mind me asking.

cheers

This only came about through a lot of behind the scenes work towards building a relationship with Holden/HSV and LS1.com.au and mentioned above. Thats the long and short of it at the end of the day.

[bouka]

Anyone interested in a 9 month old MY09 Senator Signature?

Will be hard to decide between the Senator and GTS by the sound of it. Either way it sounds as if an E2 will be parked in the garage in the not to distant future.

RYZZ, that is great news and a credit to the forum. There are many loyal and frequent (some very frequent) purchasers on this site.

Maybe HSV should do the same for some of these guys.

As i said, qudos to LS1.com.au.

[macca33]

Simon (Vulture), as I stated, I do not like the rear spoilers on E1 and my thoughts have not changed regarding E2 - I prefer the Senator look.

As for the other stuff, many changes could be construed by some as being cosmetic, however, are not and once you speak to the bloke who designs these things and he informs you about the competing priorities of a manufacturer such as HSV, eg: Design / Style vs Engineering, it provides an insight into why some of the recent HSV 'specials' have not been too special, in the eyes of many.

There is decent differentiation between GTS and Clubsport R8, for example, that now extends past MRC, wheels and interior trim - something to be considered as a positive outcome for aspiring GTS owners, or those who felt the E1 GTS was underdone compared to the rest of the range.

There is also a very ingenious WORLD FIRST in these cars, something that many may pass off as being so-so, but it is a very high achievement nonetheless.

Believe me - they look very, very nice.

[mustanger]

I can`t believe you got sucked in .

They HSV, have done exactly what they were after and that is.....Create more interest and publicity for them and control what is leaked and what isn`t.

This Forum is supposed to be the Number 1 place in Australia for Holden scoops and in my opinion you have sold out to them.They have placed certain terms and conditions which state what you can and cannot say.

We have already seen some info and scoop pics deleted and I am not sure if this is what we want on this forum.

It is great that you guys have seen the E2`s , but they will be released in a couple of days anyhow.

I am just concerned about the censorship aspect and what better way to control that , invite the moderators over for a tour 3 days before a launch.

Cheers John

[Shulkor]

Sounds very positive so far. :)
Hey Macca has the Grange bein updated :hide: or are they doing that at a later time .

[Uncle Tone]

I can`t believe you got sucked in .

They HSV, have done exactly what they were after and that is.....Create more interest and publicity for them and control what is leaked and what isn`t.

This Forum is supposed to be the Number 1 place in Australia for Holden scoops and in my opinion you have sold out to them.They have placed certain terms and conditions which state what you can and cannot say.

We have already seen some info and scoop pics deleted and I am not sure if this is what we want on this forum.

It is great that you guys have seen the E2`s , but they will be released in a couple of days anyhow.

I am just concerned about the censorship aspect and what better way to control that , invite the moderators over for a tour 3 days before a launch.

Cheers John

I agree with Mustanger, this sounds very suss. Why would 3 moderators from here get invited down to HSV to see some cars only 3 days before release? :confused:

My money is on some pics being leaked, and the mods were asked to keep them off the forum. If they appear in a thread, they will be deleted by the mods under direct orders from HSV....orders strategically cloaked under the guise of a confidential "exclusive LS1 mods eyes-only" reveal day.

I'd be interested to see if the mods had to sign any forms before the presentation.....and what exactly was on those forms.

Hmmm....plot thickens, eh Muz? :lol: :up2sum:

[Shulkor]

I agree with Mustanger, this sounds very suss. Why would 3 moderators from here get invited down to HSV to see some cars only 3 days before release? :confused:

My money is on some pics being leaked, and the mods were asked to keep them off the forum. If they appear in a thread, they will be deleted by the mods under direct orders from HSV....orders strategically cloaked under the guise of a confidential "exclusive LS1 mods eyes-only" reveal day.

I'd be interested to see if the mods had to sign any forms before the presentation.....and what exactly was on those forms.

Hmmm....plot thickens, eh Muz? :lol: :up2sum:



http://www.caradvice.com.au/40032/hsv-gts-e2-official-image-leaked/

Only new pic i have seen. :1peek:

[Ryzz]

I can`t believe you got sucked in .

They HSV, have done exactly what they were after and that is.....Create more interest and publicity for them and control what is leaked and what isn`t.

This Forum is supposed to be the Number 1 place in Australia for Holden scoops and in my opinion you have sold out to them.They have placed certain terms and conditions which state what you can and cannot say.

We have already seen some info and scoop pics deleted and I am not sure if this is what we want on this forum.

It is great that you guys have seen the E2`s , but they will be released in a couple of days anyhow.

I am just concerned about the censorship aspect and what better way to control that , invite the moderators over for a tour 3 days before a launch.

Cheers JohnJohn,
I can see where your coming from on this one, however I think your taking this right out of context. The ONLY reason we delete content is if it is in breach of copyright. Even though HSV has invited us down, they did not do this to stop us from revealing information. If other members do infact have 'scoops' then they are welcome to post these provided they do not breach any copyright laws.

The information from HSV that we have obtained will be common knowledge on Wednesday, if we had not of gone along, we would not of known this information that we do now. The media embargo contracts we signed with HSV are only relevant to myself and the two other guys revealing information on the E2 that was provided to us today, it does not stop us, or the forum from providing a place for people to share snoops, etc.

We hope in time that HSV may allow us to reveal "scoop" information here prior to release dates, once again cementing our place in the online community as the go-to place for all information on Holden/HSV/etc.

It goes with out saying that HSV is running under a Media Blackout, its common sense that the bigger the vacuum of information, the more hype is created. This is the marketing method they are running with and its very very normal, however even HSV do find it extremely difficult to keep everything under wraps, and someone will always know someone and accidentally drop something.

As I mentioned earlier, we (LS1.com.au) are working on further developing the relationship with Holden/HSV and hope that we can be apart of more events and have access to more information to help grow this place. It is because of this relationship that they have extended the offer to us, as they (and many many others in the automotive industry) see the online community here as a vital place for gathering information and monitoring feedback, etc on there products.

Keep in mind LS1.com.au has never had a policy of censoring information, however we do have to abide by the relevant laws, and when members post information that is subject to copyright, and being such a large and well known place, the legal people come knocking on our door very very quickly requesting copyrighted information be removed. We abide by these request if we do find that the information is infact subject to copyright. This however has NOTHING to do with Censorship. I suggest you choose your words a little more carefully as censorship does not take place here.


I agree with Mustanger, this sounds very suss. Why would 3 moderators from here get invited down to HSV to see some cars only 3 days before release? :confused:

My money is on some pics being leaked, and the mods were asked to keep them off the forum. If they appear in a thread, they will be deleted by the mods under direct orders from HSV....orders strategically cloaked under the guise of a confidential "exclusive LS1 mods eyes-only" reveal day.

I'd be interested to see if the mods had to sign any forms before the presentation.....and what exactly was on those forms.

Hmmm....plot thickens, eh Muz? :lol: :up2sum:

Tone I think you need to stop taking whatever it is your taking. There is no conspirary theory happening here. HSV does not have a say in what leaked information makes it on this forum and we do not receive any pressure from them to manage content in any way. As I said, the only contract we signed was that of a Media Embargo/Confidentiality agreement based on WHAT WAS REVEALED TO US AT THE PREMISES OF HSV.

[Uncle Tone]

Tone I think you need to stop taking whatever it is your taking. There is no conspirary theory happening here. HSV does not have a say in what leaked information makes it on this forum and we do not receive any pressure from them to manage content in any way. As I said, the only contract we signed was that of a Media Embargo/Confidentiality agreement based on WHAT WAS REVEALED TO US AT THE PREMISES OF HSV.

So if all the details and some up close and personal pics of the new HSV's are posted on here tomorrow.....you ARE NOT going to touch them?

Will they stay up, or not?

[Excellent]

Thanks heaps guys for the feedback. Congratulations, too, for the invite.

I'm not that interested in the features at this stage (I can wait until Wednesday). I'm more interested in your opinions of the E2's looks but I'm very encouraged by all your comments! :goodjob:

Macca33, my opinion is underwhelming until I see it in the flesh. I hope I will be as enthused as you seem to be.

Well done Ryzz, Swingtan and Macca33. :goodjob:

[Ryzz]

So if all the details and some up close and personal pics of the new HSV's are posted on here tomorrow.....you ARE NOT going to touch them?

Will they stay up, or not?

Unless we are made aware through the relevant legal channels that there is a copyright breach, the photos/information would stay. HSV is in no way attempting to control the flow of information, scoops, etc on LS1.com.au.

So come on tone, what spy photos are you planning on putting up tomorrow that your so scared of being deleted?

[sjhugh]

Congratulations guys, its great advancement for all the forum members. It means in the future, constructive criticism may have an ear and could eventually work their way into new models. I’m excited to see what’s coming as I’m in the market for a new Maloo. Increased horsepower is always a given, I only hope they have addressed the poverty pack interiors. Presently they don’t cut it with the Japs at half the price and the Euros, well their in another league. It’s been HSV’s biggest downfall as far as I’m concerned.

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[Ryzz]

I'm more interested in your opinions of the E2's looks but I'm very encouraged by all your comments! :goodjob:

Without a doubt, they look the piece. They have put a lot of work into spicing up the look compared to the E1. We were actually talking about this when they had a photo of an E2 taken at almost an identical angle to a poster of a E1 GTS, and the difference was outstanding.

[AQICLS3]

Congratulations guys, its great advancement for all the forum members. It means in the future, constructive criticism may have an ear and could eventually work their way into new models. I’m excited to see what’s coming as I’m in the market for a new Maloo. Increased horsepower is always a given, I only hope they have addressed the poverty pack interiors. Presently they don’t cut it with the Japs at half the price and the Euros, well their in another league. It’s been HSV’s biggest downfall as far as I’m concerned.

.

I agree the current VE's interior was well below what I have expected from HSV and look forward to marked improvements in the series 2.

[Uncle Tone]

Unless we are made aware through the relevant legal channels that there is a copyright breach, the photos/information would stay. HSV is in no way attempting to control the flow of information, scoops, etc on LS1.com.au.

So come on tone, what spy photos are you planning on putting up tomorrow that your so scared of being deleted?

I'm still waiting for your email :lol:

It would be interesting to find out what HSV deems as copyright breach. I'm guessing all images that leak out of HSV would be in breach.....hence our suspicion of HSV's motives.....not that I blame them. If a bit of a schmooze is all it takes for a bit of peace of mind until the release date I'd be doing it too.

[fishla]

I'm thinking they will be pretty much the same as the pics posted on page 1 :)

[Stelth]

Congratulations boys for building a relationship with HSV.

Hopefully one day, this may lead to us being asked by them to have an input into what future models look like.

Over the years they could of done with some external opinions.

As to the conspiracy theorists on here, I think you are all just jealous !

;)

[Uncle Tone]

As to the conspiracy theorists on here, I think you are all just jealous !

;)

Well yeah, there is that :lol:

[Stelth]

Well yeah, there is that :lol:

So am I mate :lol:

[bad88u]

i think they will use some of the W427 features or similar.

[mustanger]

Congratulations boys for building a relationship with HSV.

As to the conspiracy theorists on here, I think you are all just jealous !

;)

I think it will be fantastic for HSV to be involved with the Forum, as long as they don`t control it :teach:

As for the jealousy part, I say good luck to the guys that had a preview.

I have been to HSV Head Office many times and it is a very interesting place to visit.

I think my name is on a plaque there somewhere as a frequent HSV buyer, so I hope they get their act together and this new model E2 kicks some arse :).

[Excellent]

I'm intrigued to know what the 'world first' feature is, lol. :)

That's what I admire about companies like HSV, they don't have the development budget of BMW but they make cars almost as good. Some would say better! :goodjob:

[1BEAST2NV]

can picture it now

E2 GTS... vs... FG F6 foon.....down the quarter !!!! who knows :D.

love the E1, so the E2 had wonna be something special again.

have to wait and see if its all that its meant to be :p

[EXCESSV]

:lmao: @ the conspiracy theories...
ur all just talking LS1.com.au up by dribbling about that crap.

as if HSV are sitting there with the lawyers, etc crying about the things that go on LS1.com.au

[Ghosn]

It's obvious what HSV are doing, they are just using this site as a marketing tool. Nothing more, nothing less :)



eww i hope the leaked photos are not the new model. Looks like a camry,ford merge.

They are it 100%.

[macca33]

John, I understand your opinion, however, we were given an opportunity that this forum has not yet been given, so to improve relations, it was acted upon. I see no conspiracy theory, simply agreements made to honour the fact that we were allowed access to something that we ordinarily would not be able to see. Media outlets have all been given access previously, I believe, and if nothing has yet leaked, then we are not solely responsible - perhaps ring Motor and ask why they haven't leaked anything yet.

UT - no such photos were, to my understanding, about to be leaked upon this forum. Perhaps you know something that I do not. Should you post such material, I will NOT be touching it. I signed a particular agreement - personally - it has no bearing upon what others may / may not post on this forum, on other forums, or on the back of the toilet door.

Next time, I'll be sure to give my place up to one of you blokes and you can make your own - informed - opinion afterwards.

I was impressed by the new model - I like it, over and above E1. If others disagree, or do not like the way things were done, then I cannot change history.

cheers

[heavychevy]

Glad everyone that went had a great day.

We saw something really good but can't say what it was and we don't have pics but spoke to some really cool guys that were really interesting but can't say what they said either.

Interesting reading

[bad88u]

Glad everyone that went had a great day.

We saw something really good but can't say what it was and we don't have pics but spoke to some really cool guys that were really interesting but can't say what they said either.

Interesting reading

that sums it up.:goodjob::confused: big gee up IMO

[macca33]

Glad everyone that went had a great day.

We saw something really good but can't say what it was and we don't have pics but spoke to some really cool guys that were really interesting but can't say what they said either.

Interesting reading
I re-read my initial post and perhaps there are some strong clues contained therein.

I did sign an agreement - which is a binding legal contract and I do not have the money that HSV have, to defend a tort, so I'll say nothing further about what was / was not seen.

As for HSV 'using' ls1.com.au for publicity - please spare me - this forum has and always will be free publicity AND criticism for Holden / HSV as has been proven time and time again.

The fact that they see fit to recognise this forum, should elicit a sense of pride in the people who contribute here, as it could be the sign of a closer relationship in the future and who would not want that?

On Wednesday, everyone will be able to voice their own informed opinions, so we shall await that day, I 'spose.

cheers

[VZ_V8]

Good work being invitied guys. I for one would have loved the opportunity to do something like that. :goodjob:

Why do so many people have to automatically jump to the conclusion that this is all some big marketing/conspiracy bullshit. I mean ffs it is being released on wednesday anyway. macca33, swingtan and ryzz are just letting us know about something they got to do which many of us would have liked to as well. Its better than a lot of the shit that I have read on here of late. :rolleyes:

[VESportswagon20]

Hey Guys, I can totally understand why HSV/Holden or the mods would not want to put any further information on here. As has happened in the past other non Holden Enthusiast forums have posted information that has been leaked to them via this site. Caradvice being one of them. This way everyman and their dog could see what HSV were offering before the official launch day. Why would they even bother having a official launch day if everyman and their dog knew all the details prior to launch. It also takes a lot of the mystery out of it. I can only see Holden/HSV giving this forum strictly confidential details to loyal customers via this site if they got everyone to sign a confidentiality contract at the very beginning with any person breaching the contract recieving a very heavy fine for breaching copyright. So I totally agree with what HSV have done and that is pass on information to the moderators to entice our appetite without disclosing the exact details. Plus they are given the opportunity to tell us if it looks better or not both looks wise and tecnological wise which would be a official opinion and yet not a breach of the embargo.

[sjhugh]

That's what I admire about companies like HSV, they don't have the development budget of BMW but they make cars almost as good. Some would say better! :goodjob:


hehehehehehehehehehehehehehe ????????


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[heavychevy]

On Wednesday, everyone will be able to voice their own informed opinions, so we shall await that day, I 'spose.

cheers

And yours would be appreciated Macca. Hope you took some notes mate.

It was a huge honour to speak to the head of design - Julian QUINCY - and have him run us through the changes, both subtle and none too subtle, that his team made to E2 - many of the subtle design changes are just that, but together, add to a stronger, bolder and tougher look. It was quite refreshing to hear the hows and reasons why vehicle designers do what they do - all very good and a great insight into HSV's operations / decision making process.

Seems a shame to have an meeting with this dude and not be able to convey the conversation to the rest of us. That's the frustrating part for me.
Hopefully you can give us a heads up post launch

[XLR8 V8]

Just to clarify about this talk about posts and pics being deleted because of legal issues regarding breach of copyright - the legal requests were from the MAGAZINE that the pics were scanned from and posted without their express permission. This was a breach of section 31 of the Copyright Act 1968 and those posts were therefore removed as requested. There was no contact from HSV regarding those posts at all.
The fact that our relationship with HSV has advanced far enough in recent times for forum staff to get invited to sneak preview day ahead of the media release is a great step forward for the forums. IMO it shows how much of an interest HSV are starting to take in listening to their enthusiast market.

All that said, if HSV handed me the keys and rego papers to a free new Senator E2, I'd happily delete all evidence that UT ever existed from the forums if they asked me too :lmao:

[Devil CV8]

Firstly, well done to HSV trio. would have been a fantastic experience, only topped if you got to drive them, maybe next time.




Next time, I'll be sure to give my place up to one of you blokes and you can make your own - informed - opinion afterwards.

Surprised no one jumped on this. macca, I'd be honoured to take the next HSV pre release tour invite.

:bow:

[Ryzz]

And yours would be appreciated Macca. Hope you took some notes mate.

It was a huge honour to speak to the head of design - Julian QUINCY - and have him run us through the changes, both subtle and none too subtle, that his team made to E2 - many of the subtle design changes are just that, but together, add to a stronger, bolder and tougher look. It was quite refreshing to hear the hows and reasons why vehicle designers do what they do - all very good and a great insight into HSV's operations / decision making process.

Seems a shame to have an meeting with this dude and not be able to convey the conversation to the rest of us. That's the frustrating part for me.
Hopefully you can give us a heads up post launch

Dont worry heavychevy, the embargo contract expires at 09:10am on Wednesday, after that time we can reveal any and everything we were informed about. HSV will also be sending us through a media fact sheet tomorrow night with all the specific details on options, models, prices, features, etc etc etc. We will compile all of this and get it up asap.

Trust me we are bursting with excitement to retell all we were told by Julian, it was extremely interesting to hear about how different design concepts can make a GTS look more agressive and another design cue can make the Senator look so classy. In due time!

[C4B]

All that said, if HSV handed me the keys and rego papers to a free new Senator E2, I'd happily delete all evidence that UT ever existed from the forums if they asked me too :lmao:

Geez Kris you've got high moral standards. I'd do it if HSV handed me a new HSV pocket knife..... :stick:

[Uncle Tone]

Geez Kris you've got high moral standards. I'd do it if HSV handed me a new HSV pocket knife..... :stick:

I'd let you do it if you gave me half the knife :lol:

[swingtan]

I'd do it just because I can..... hang on.....

[Ryzz]

Geez Kris you've got high moral standards. I'd do it if HSV handed me a new HSV pocket knife..... :stick:


I'd do it just because I can..... hang on.....

Heck would could do it and just call it a Community Service, i'm sure many people would be appreciative.

[LooneyR8]

I honestly think it is great that LS1 is being noticed by HSV and the opinions contained on the site. This is what makes this forum better than most that I have been part of, the ability to discuss, argue and inform when required.

You guys certainly were lucky and privledged to have seen the E2 before the full media release and kudos again goes to LS1.

Remember guys.....agree to disagree and we will all get along just fine :stick:

[steve_t]

Good work getting invited for a sneak preview. It's a good reward for looking after this place. :goodjob:
I'm still keen to find out what 'upgrades' I can transfer to my Maloo. eg Auto Up windows... that'd be sweet, and probably the only thing I'd want... for now :jester:

[Smitty]

I honestly think it is great that LS1 is being noticed by HSV and the opinions contained on the site. This is what makes this forum better than most that I have been part of, the ability to discuss, argue and inform when required.

You guys certainly were lucky and privledged to have seen the E2 before the full media release and kudos again goes to LS1.



+1
my thoughts zactly...I think its great :goodjob:

[Excellent]

The fact that you guys even raised the topic of the launch deserves special praise. :goodjob:

You guys could have kept quiet but being car guys, I could sense your excitement in your posts. That's why we have forums like this one! :)

Well done again.

And I didn't read anything into the HSV relationship thing. A release date is there for a reason and not all persons on this forum are Holden fans (shock horror).

[Curtis-R]

Congrats on the opportunity to get a sneak preview..!! Surely they could
have extended the offer to the other 37,998 LS1 forum members? :hide:

So were coins flipped on which 3 mods got to go along? :)

[XLR8 V8]

So were coins flipped on which 3 mods got to go along? :)

Distance and work schedule counted me out.

As for the 3 who went: One has access to a gun (you tell him you want his spot! :lol: ), one's rather handy with a camera, and Ryzz threatened to ban all the other Mod accounts while we slept if he couldn't go too - and thus became the Mod version of Larry, Curly and Moe :D

[swingtan]

"Oh... Wise guy!!!!"

Pick two fingers.....

[AQICLS3]

Distance and work schedule counted me out.

As for the 3 who went: One has access to a gun (you tell him you want his spot! :lol: ), one's rather handy with a camera, and Ryzz threatened to ban all the other Mod accounts while we slept if he couldn't go too - and thus became the Mod version of Larry, Curly and Moe :D

:rofl: now that is funny

[bouka]

Distance and work schedule counted me out.

As for the 3 who went: One has access to a gun (you tell him you want his spot! :lol: ), one's rather handy with a camera, and Ryzz threatened to ban all the other Mod accounts while we slept if he couldn't go too - and thus became the Mod version of Larry, Curly and Moe :D

:rofl:

Looking forward to hearing the stories after the release.

What we would like HSV to do (supercharged etc) and what they can do within the restraints of Holden engineering (who warrants the motors and drivelines) are two very different things.

I have no doubt the guys at Clayton would love to release an all out 450kw screamer but often the general motoring enthusiast does not have an understanding of what is required to bring about even the smallest of changes. Sounds like Larry, Curly and Moe were given some insight into this.

We have been spoilt since the release of the LS series motors and the vast choices we have with aftermarket mods. This may have lead to some unrealistic expectations from the likes of HSV about what they could be doing. No doubt this has lead to the what will be (according to rumours) a reasonably large option list (in the context of a manufacturer).

Either way, the Aussie performance car market is extremely competitive internationally and we are spoilt by the likes of HSV and what they provide us in the context of full factory warranty.

Am looking forward to Wednesday morning.

[gts071]

One thing I will leave you with though..... HSV has the best boardroom table that I have seen!!!!

I hope you took a photo?


This was NOT a media launch, that is Wednesday. This was a reveal EXCLUSIVE to LS1.com.au and Myself and the two others were invited down as guests of HSV as part of an ongoing commitment towards further developing a relationship between LS1.com.au and Holden/HSV.

This only came about through a lot of behind the scenes work towards building a relationship with Holden/HSV and LS1.com.au and mentioned above. Thats the long and short of it at the end of the day.
Awesome work. I have to say I wish I was there :(


All that said, if HSV handed me the keys and rego papers to a free new Senator E2, I'd happily delete all evidence that UT ever existed from the forums if they asked me too :lmao:
Sorry Tone..., now where are those keys?

[NickS]

The fact that you guys even raised the topic of the launch deserves special praise. :goodjob:

Special praise for telling us that they saw the cars before we did ???

Yeah, ok ... :confused:

Ryzz mentioned this trip to me a few weeks ago, as I said to him at the time ... it'd be nice if they treated the idiots that keep buying their cars to a similar privilege. Probably just jealousy speaking, but it gets a little annoying when you have paid for 5 brand spanking new HSVs and all they do is stick your name on a plaque ... :rolleyes:

Anyway ... our E1 GTS is almost 3 years old now, has about 62,000 kms on it, if these things look as good as you guys reckon I might upgrade next year (can't screw 'em down much on a brand new model). At this stage it'll be either a GTS, Senator or Grange ... I'll wait and see what they look like.

Someone asked earlier but I didn't see an answer ... anything on a new Grange ?

Look forward to some more pics.

:goodjob:

[KPowSSV]

What we would like HSV to do (supercharged etc) and what they can do within the restraints of Holden engineering (who warrants the motors and drivelines) are two very different things.

I have no doubt the guys at Clayton would love to release an all out 450kw screamer but often the general motoring enthusiast does not have an understanding of what is required to bring about even the smallest of changes. Sounds like Larry, Curly and Moe were given some insight into this.


I agree, I would just like HSV/Holden to continue making their cars with both the average joe blo, and the enthusiest in mind (I know - impossible!). A car that is easy enough to drive for anyone, but with a design in mind for those that want to upgrade their parts - maybe even release the "F430" holden, no carpets, no aircon, just a platform to build up on and customize.... Save having to pay for all that engineering we only rip out! :)

just a thought!
Brian

[mattnsw]

......... not all persons on this forum are Holden fans (shock horror).




A silly statement – Of course the release is of interest but HSV’s are not the be all and end all of the automotive world for all members, far from it. Look at all the forum members who own Berlina, SS, Calais, Ford, Japanese, Yank & European iron as performance cars. I guess you don’t have any real world experience with cars.

[SteveK]

Personally I think this is a great privilege for those who were invited along. Great if you can get it.

Opportunities like this and adhering to guidelines will mean great opportunities in the future, not just for moderators but for forum members as well. All relationships start out with a first date; there are always some guys who just want the one night stand though.

Looking forward to Wednesday.

[Excellent]

A silly statement – Of course the release is of interest but HSV’s are not the be all and end all of the automotive world for all members, far from it. Look at all the forum members who own Berlina, SS, Calais, Ford, Japanese, Yank & European iron as performance cars. I guess you don’t have any real world experience with cars.

I don't understand where you are going with your argument. All I said was HSV have an official release date as do all other manufacturers. All information leading up to official release dates is usually under embargo. Nothing new here.

What real world experience do I need in order to understand some business fundamentals? :confused:

NickS, I don't know what you are smoking but if you believe it was better for the moderators to just keep quiet until Wednesday, you are entitled to your opinion. I'm just glad that the excitement is spreading leading up to the release, even though you prefer to take a big yawn.

[mac06]

By getting a chance to see the model range and talk to the team prior to the release date Ryzz, Swingtan & Macca33 have an opportunity to put something comprehensive together. That way we get a personal review instead of just the HSV media release.

[Smitty]

......... - and thus became the Mod version of Larry, Curly and Moe :D

aka
the LS1 version of the Three Stooges..???? :bow:


:rofl:

[NickS]

NickS, I don't know what you are smoking but if you believe it was better for the moderators to just keep quiet until Wednesday, you are entitled to your opinion. I'm just glad that the excitement is spreading leading up to the release, even though you prefer to take a big yawn.

Where did I say it was a big yawn ?

You said the mods deserve "special praise" for telling us they got a sneak peak ... considering we got nothin' I'm not sure what the "special praise" is for ? If you want to suck up to the mods ... go for it.

:goodjob:

[seldo]

Pardon my geriatric cynicism, but I really can't see what was achieved by this little exercise except for a fun junket for the 3 Mods concerned.
Apart from the chosen 3, no-one here has/will really learn anything extra pre-release. On release date any man and his dog who's interested will be able to access all the info ad-infinitum....
So...Ho Hum...

[NickS]

Pardon my geriatric cynicism, but I really can't see what was achieved by this little exercise except for a fun junket for the 3 Mods concerned.
Apart from the chosen 3, no-one here has/will really learn anything extra pre-release. On release date any man and his dog who's interested will be able to access all the info ad-infinitum....
So...Ho Hum...

Exactly what I was getting at mate ...

[mattnsw]

I don't understand where you are going with your argument. All I said was HSV have an official release date as do all other manufacturers. All information leading up to official release dates is usually under embargo. Nothing new here.

What real world experience do I need in order to understand some business fundamentals? :confused:





My comment had nothing to do with business fundamentals. You haven’t completely quoted yourself, you actually eluded that those members who are sceptical of the reason behind the LS1 embargo (which I agree is common practice) were not Holden fans. That in itself is silly. They were just pointing out their doubts. Anyway, not all Holden fans see the valve in a HSV. Read in conjunction with your earlier post where you say HSV ‘…. make cars almost as good. Some would say better.’ than BMW which to me is lucidity. It indicated that apart from a strong bias you have not experienced bench mark cars. Otherwise you wouldn’t say such a thing. HSV is an engine, brakes and badge which hardly out performs a V8 Holden, it’s not a bench mark. If you experience the vehicles produced by other manufacturers you will see it’s limitations in performance technology, appointments and build quality. Don’t believe the marketing spin, lots of VE owners got caught by that, it isn’t much better than the pervious model and has a long way to go to catch up with overseas manufacturers. That’s why I said ‘I guess you don’t have any real world experience with cars.’ Personally I’m looking forward to the release if only out of curiosity. By the way, do you own or have ever own a HSV?

[BadMac]

What the 3 mods got, is all our expectations raised about how good a job they are going to do at 9:09:09am on Wednesday of reporting EVERYTHING. I personally expect 100's of photos from the new wheels, to the seat weave to the board room table. Plus 1000's of lines about the car, the design, the food, the future, next weeks lottery numbers et al.


So lucky you got to see it in advance, now do your jobs and give us the real inside scoops as soon as the embargo is lifted (as well as some car pics!).

Otherwise, good to see HSV recognising they need to support the forum, now if only they would support their buyers and honor their warranties!!!

[Excellent]

Where did I say it was a big yawn ?

You said the mods deserve "special praise" for telling us they got a sneak peak ... considering we got nothin' I'm not sure what the "special praise" is for ? If you want to suck up to the mods ... go for it.

:goodjob:

I couldn't care less about the mods.

I'm just excited that all three persons said they were excited about the E2? I have a pulse, so forgive me for being excited as well.

So what would you have done differently if you were invited to the launch and asked to sign a confidentiality agreement like all media personalities?

Or is your beef the fact that some persons running the forum got an invite and Mister Five HSVs didn't get one? Boo Hoo, but I'm not going to suck up to you, either.

[GODSMACK]

Pardon my geriatric cynicism, but I really can't see what was achieved by this little exercise except for a fun junket for the 3 Mods concerned.
Apart from the chosen 3, no-one here has/will really learn anything extra pre-release. On release date any man and his dog who's interested will be able to access all the info ad-infinitum....
So...Ho Hum...
And the 4th Mod who missed out coz it was too far....... :1peek:

[NickS]

I couldn't care less about the mods.

So why would you "praise" someone that you couldn't care less about ?


Or is your beef the fact that some persons running the forum got an invite and Mister Five HSVs didn't get one?

Bingo ... HSV has a history of doing bugger all to look after the people that keep the business running. Their invite to the mods looks to me like a cheap way for them to get someone else plugging the car for them. I got an invite to a "secret" website that showed what the headlight will look like ... exactly the same as the old one.

:rolleyes:

Someone asked and you haven't replied ... do you now or have you ever owned a new HSV ?

[seldo]

Or is your beef the fact that some persons running the forum got an invite and Mister Five HSVs didn't get one? .
I could be wrong (I actually was, once) but I'd have thought that Marketing 101 would suggest that there was a far better return for HSV in inviting a bunch of "Mr Five HSVs" .....


And the 4th Mod who missed out coz it was too far....... :1peek:
Sorry - I didn't mean to slight Kris...

[macca_779]

Pardon my geriatric cynicism, but I really can't see what was achieved by this little exercise except for a fun junket for the 3 Mods concerned.
Apart from the chosen 3, no-one here has/will really learn anything extra pre-release. On release date any man and his dog who's interested will be able to access all the info ad-infinitum....
So...Ho Hum...

I have to agree actually. I kept reading waiting to learn something I didn't already know but alas not yet.

Its still a good thing for the forum and cudos to Duane and Simon for getting to see a new model pre release.

[Excellent]

My comment had nothing to do with business fundamentals. You haven’t completely quoted yourself, you actually eluded that those members who are sceptical of the reason behind the LS1 embargo (which I agree is common practice) were not Holden fans. That in itself is silly. They were just pointing out their doubts. Anyway, not all Holden fans see the valve in a HSV. Read in conjunction with your earlier post where you say HSV ‘…. make cars almost as good. Some would say better.’ than BMW which to me is lucidity. It indicated that apart from a strong bias you have not experienced bench mark cars. Otherwise you wouldn’t say such a thing. HSV is an engine, brakes and badge which hardly out performs a V8 Holden, it’s not a bench mark. If you experience the vehicles produced by other manufacturers you will see it’s limitations in performance technology, appointments and build quality. Don’t believe the marketing spin, lots of VE owners got caught by that, it isn’t much better than the pervious model and has a long way to go to catch up with overseas manufacturers. That’s why I said ‘I guess you don’t have any real world experience with cars.’ Personally I’m looking forward to the release if only out of curiosity. By the way, do you own or have ever own a HSV?

What weird world have I entered?

HSV make better cars than BMW where value is concerned. Otherwise, if you have all the money in the world, you might purchase a Ferrari. No, I haven't driven a Ferrari, either, so am I not allowed to comment?

It sounds like you are way too sensitive for your own good.

[Shulkor]

Or is your beef the fact that some persons running the forum got an invite and Mister Five HSVs didn't get one? Boo Hoo,.


Someone asked and you haven't replied ... do you now or have you ever owned a new HSV ?


:popcorn: :1peek:

[Excellent]

I could be wrong (I actually was, once) but I'd have thought that Marketing 101 would suggest that there was a far better return for HSV in inviting a bunch of "Mr Five HSVs" .....


I agree with you seldo but the difference is that NickS doesn't run a forum that reaches out to the masses. Ok, the fact that the moderators went is debatable but I'm excited that 3 members from here went there and all were enthusastic, which they conveyed extremely well in print.

Would NickS be able to convey these impressions equally? Perhaps, but some of us don't know NickS from a bar of soap and even if he did give his view, it would not come across with as much authority for most.

[steve_t]

WOW, this thread went downhill pretty quickly. Can't we just be happy that these guys got to go along for a sneak peak?

[sjhugh]

Bingo ... HSV has a history of doing bugger all to look after the people that keep the business running. Their invite to the mods looks to me like a cheap way for them to get someone else plugging the car for them. I got an invite to a "secret" website that showed what the headlight will look like ... exactly the same as the old one.



I agree, I got to use my vin number to check out a special owners website and found I wasted my time finding my vin number. I wouldn't have bothered to go to a pre-release function anyway as I have more important things in life to manage but my business would never achieve anything if I didn't make my existing customers feel wanted. A fact HSV have never found important. Mercedes-Benz and BMW on the other hand fall over backwards to keep me buying.

[Sidewindr]

Congratulations boys for building a relationship with HSV.

Hopefully one day, this may lead to us being asked by them to have an input into what future models look like.

Over the years they could of done with some external opinions.

As to the conspiracy theorists on here, I think you are all just jealous !

;)

Actually a lot of the VE discussion on the forums during the actual VE design phase did influence certain aspects of the VE ... so this has been happening for a while all be it very obvious .. :)

[GODSMACK]

Actually a lot of the VE discussion on the forums during the actual VE design phase did influence certain aspects of the VE ... so this has been happening for a while all be it very obvious .. :)

Such as? :)

[Sidewindr]

The boot hinges for one ... you just have to go back and look through the "what would you like to see in the VE" thread and see there are quite a number of suggestions that were incorporated ... As for Holden or HSV controlling the forum this has never happened and will never happen, the forum is independent and one of the things that Holden respects about us is our integrity, this is why the forum is treated the same as the big print publications when it comes to information releases. We were there for the first reveal of the VE along with all of the major media players .. :) We also had scoop pics of the VY back before it was released/revealed about 1 month before the official date and received many requests to remove it but would not as it was taken legally etc.

[mattnsw]

What weird world have I entered?

HSV make better cars than BMW where value is concerned. Otherwise, if you have all the money in the world, you might purchase a Ferrari. No, I haven't driven a Ferrari, either, so am I not allowed to comment?

It sounds like you are way too sensitive for your own good.


You still don’t get it, a VW Golf, Mazda and many, many more are better value if you use that logic and the V8 Commodores included.

‘too sensitive’ not at all, overly cautious, definitely. I got caught with the VE HSV spin and found my VZ was just as good.

[Excellent]

WOW, this thread went downhill pretty quickly. Can't we just be happy that these guys got to go along for a sneak peak?

Considering the release is less than 3 days away and we all know what the E2 looks like, I can't understand the fuss from the precious few either.

For the record, NO, I don't own an HSV, therefore, I shouldn't be logging in, right?

[Sidewindr]

And yours would be appreciated Macca. Hope you took some notes mate.

It was a huge honour to speak to the head of design - Julian QUINCY - and have him run us through the changes, both subtle and none too subtle, that his team made to E2 - many of the subtle design changes are just that, but together, add to a stronger, bolder and tougher look. It was quite refreshing to hear the hows and reasons why vehicle designers do what they do - all very good and a great insight into HSV's operations / decision making process.

Seems a shame to have an meeting with this dude and not be able to convey the conversation to the rest of us. That's the frustrating part for me.
Hopefully you can give us a heads up post launch

I hope that the boys will write up some of what they discussed etc in the articles section after the embargo .. I too am interested in the discussions.


Hey Guys, I can totally understand why HSV/Holden or the mods would not want to put any further information on here. As has happened in the past other non Holden Enthusiast forums have posted information that has been leaked to them via this site. Caradvice being one of them. This way everyman and their dog could see what HSV were offering before the official launch day. Why would they even bother having a official launch day if everyman and their dog knew all the details prior to launch. It also takes a lot of the mystery out of it. I can only see Holden/HSV giving this forum strictly confidential details to loyal customers via this site if they got everyone to sign a confidentiality contract at the very beginning with any person breaching the contract recieving a very heavy fine for breaching copyright. So I totally agree with what HSV have done and that is pass on information to the moderators to entice our appetite without disclosing the exact details. Plus they are given the opportunity to tell us if it looks better or not both looks wise and tecnological wise which would be a official opinion and yet not a breach of the embargo.


Exactly, it was an opportunity for a couple of enthusiasts from the forum to go see the product and give their impressions to you guys before the launch as opposed to some journalist's impressions ...


Firstly, well done to HSV trio. would have been a fantastic experience, only topped if you got to drive them, maybe next time.



Surprised no one jumped on this. macca, I'd be honoured to take the next HSV pre release tour invite.

:bow:

Who goes on these things is up to me actually as the individuals are going as representatives of the forums!! So it's not open to just anyone ... :teach:


Ryzz mentioned this trip to me a few weeks ago, as I said to him at the time ... it'd be nice if they treated the idiots that keep buying their cars to a similar privilege. Probably just jealousy speaking, but it gets a little annoying when you have paid for 5 brand spanking new HSVs and all they do is stick your name on a plaque ... :rolleyes:


As I said the Forum gets treated like mainstream media nowadays by the manufacturers. In the future other opportunities may arise that can be extended to forum members but we are still in the early stages of building trust etc.


Distance and work schedule counted me out.

As for the 3 who went: One has access to a gun (you tell him you want his spot! :lol: ), one's rather handy with a camera, and Ryzz threatened to ban all the other Mod accounts while we slept if he couldn't go too - and thus became the Mod version of Larry, Curly and Moe :D

I usually go to these things as well however now that I am working offshore I can't make it to these events :(


Where did I say it was a big yawn ?

You said the mods deserve "special praise" for telling us they got a sneak peak ... considering we got nothin' I'm not sure what the "special praise" is for ? If you want to suck up to the mods ... go for it.

:goodjob:

You are all missing the point, the thing you get out of it is a peers thoughts and impressions rather than some journo's. The thoughts and impressions of a holden enthusiast would be more valid than that of a motoring journo who just reviews cars from a generic viewpoint.

[sjhugh]

What weird world have I entered?

HSV make better cars than BMW where value is concerned.




What planet are you from?

Better value for money: don’t you mean made cheap and then overpriced. HSV = big pushrod engine.

Look inside a Euro or Jap car, feel it, play with the technology, see the safety.

Look under one, see how smooth they are, BMW, Merc, Audi & Lexis are made to suck the car to the ground at speed. Hit a bend at velocity, accelerate into a straight.
Savage N/A petrol engines, ferocious forced induction, furious diesels, no need for illegal mods to get on the pace.

See how straight the panels gaps are, how precise the interior fit is. I could go on and on but really you have to experience them and experience the HSV to make the comparison.

A C63 AMG in the United States is around $55,000 USD, in Australia its $155,000 AUD, that $185,000 in USD. You do the maths if you need to know more. The Australian government taxes Euro’s out of the market of the average consumers here to protect the local industry, in truth they just can’t compete with the imports in the real world. HSV don’t do it as well cheaper, they along with Holden, Ford & local Toyota’s are kept alive, while the average consumer is kept from being able enjoy the comfort, safety and fuel consumption of our overseas cousins. Look at the price of a G8 in the U.S. compared to an SS here. If you had the choice between a C63 and a HSV sitting on a showroom floor for the same price what would you choose?

Better value my ring.

[korrupt]

You are all missing the point, the thing you get out of it is a peers thoughts and impressions rather than some journo's. The thoughts and impressions of a holden enthusiast would be more valid than that of a motoring journo who just reviews cars from a generic viewpoint.

I'm looking forward to hearing some thoughts from 'real' people, not just motoring journo's. I also think the photos that swingtan has taken will be interesting, compared to the usual media shots that are released. More real world, I guess.

[glen III]

Look under one, see how smooth they are, BMW, Merc, Audi & Lexis are made to suck the car to the ground at speed. Hit a bend at velocity, accelerate into a straight.

Right, so they have ground effects do they? Not quite, young man.


A C63 AMG in the United States is around $55,000 USD, in Australia its $155,000 AUD, that $185,000 in USD. You do the maths if you need to know more.

I did do the maths, and it's actually about $130k US dollars at todays exchange rate of 0.8393. Someone smart enough to accumulate the garage of cars you claim through running your own business should be better at maths.

In relation to the actual thread, good on the forum for working themselves into a respectable position over several years, such that they shall be invited to such events.

Cheers

Glen

[NickS]

You are all missing the point, the thing you get out of it is a peers thoughts and impressions rather than some journo's. The thoughts and impressions of a holden enthusiast would be more valid than that of a motoring journo who just reviews cars from a generic viewpoint.

Fair point ... but still fairly useless for prospective buyers unfortunately.

For example, Macca33 has made his views on the E Series GTS fairly clear, I have owned one for almost 3 years (ordered it the day they were officially released) and absolutely love it ... best car I have ever owned, probably best looking car I have ever owned too.

Now if Macca33 had given us a preview 3 days before the release in 2006 it wouldn't have been favourable at all ... he would have said "stick with your VX". Boy would that have been a mistake ... my E Series shits all over my VX.

:D

My point is simply that 3 guys saying they're great tells a genuine buyer nothing ... I'm not putting a deposit down until I know everything and have seen everything, and that will be Wednesday no matter who got a sneak peak. HSV deems jouno's and forum reps worthy of a preview but not regular buyers ... that just makes zero sense to me. Why not offer someone who has purchased one each of VX / VY / VZ / VE HSV the chance to get an order in before the official release ?

Now that's customer service ... :yup:

It's great that the forum is developing a relationship with HSV (they sure have no interest in developing a relationship with their "frequent buyers") ... maybe these are a few points you could raise with the HSV guys ?

As it stands most of the HSV "frequent buyers" I know have purchased a German make in the last 12 months ... myself included.

[sjhugh]

Right, so they have ground effects do they? Not quite, young man.



I did do the maths, and it's actually about $130k US dollars at todays exchange rate of 0.8393. Someone smart enough to accumulate the garage of cars you claim through running your own business should be better at maths.

In relation to the actual thread, good on the forum for working themselves into a respectable position over several years, such that they shall be invited to such events.

Cheers

Glen


Not ground effects as in a Ferrari but have a look at the photo in the C63 thread of Sonny’s exhaust upgrade and see how flat it is compared to a HSV. My BMW is even better still.



Sorry my bad calc, I’ll have to sell one of my cars to make up for it.
Still $55,000 usd in the U.S. compared to $130,000 usd in Australia is to a considerable difference. Which is the guts of my argument.

[Carby]

‘too sensitive’ not at all, overly cautious, definitely. I got caught with the VE HSV spin and found my VZ was just as good.

You're kidding right?? Did you actually drive a VE? I reckon a VE SS is superior to a HSV VZ!

Just stick your noggin underneath the rear end of a VZ and do the same with the VE - you might notice a far more sophisticated suspension on the VE, same goes for the front suspension and steering.

I think the only thing the VZ has over a VE is less weight.

[Djbarnstar]

What the 3 mods got, is all our expectations raised about how good a job they are going to do at 9:09:09am on Wednesday of reporting EVERYTHING. I personally expect 100's of photos from the new wheels, to the seat weave to the board room table. Plus 1000's of lines about the car, the design, the food, the future, next weeks lottery numbers et al.


So lucky you got to see it in advance, now do your jobs and give us the real inside scoops as soon as the embargo is lifted (as well as some car pics!).

Otherwise, good to see HSV recognising they need to support the forum, now if only they would support their buyers and honor their warranties!!!

What that guy said! :goodjob:

[statesy]

GTS is blown, yeah?

[Vulture]

I only hope they have addressed the poverty pack interiors. Presently they don’t cut it with the Japs at half the price and the Euros, well their in another league. It’s been HSV’s biggest downfall as far as I’m concerned.


Please tell me you are joking. Have you looked inside a $70K+ WRX STi? Truly a heap of shit on the inside. An Evo is not much better.


Pardon my geriatric cynicism, but I really can't see what was achieved by this little exercise except for a fun junket for the 3 Mods concerned.
Apart from the chosen 3, no-one here has/will really learn anything extra pre-release. On release date any man and his dog who's interested will be able to access all the info ad-infinitum....
So...Ho Hum...

Agreed. Would have been nice if Mr HSV gave the boys a little tidbit to release early.

[smokiebbear]

I agree with you seldo but the difference is that NickS doesn't run a forum that reaches out to the masses.

I beg to differ on that and the formum I speak of reaches out to the masses who actually use their vehicle as a recreational sport vehicle which is HSV's main selling point, drive the kids to school during the week and race your car on the weekend.

[sjhugh]

Please tell me you are joking. Have you looked inside a $70K+ WRX STi? Truly a heap of shit on the inside. An Evo is not much better.




There have been lots of comments about the interior of the WRX Sti and for the EVO’s as well, you’ve picked two almost purpose built cars to go fast around a track. I guess a lot of people expect more in the way of comforts these days, not everyone is just after a dedicated track weapon. In fact probably most don’t see a track at all. HSV should maybe take note and look at improving this area, Mazda and VW to name a couple can do it better

[macca_779]

Just stick your noggin underneath the rear end of a VZ and do the same with the VE - you might notice a far more sophisticated suspension on the VE, same goes for the front suspension and steering.


Do the same thing on a 10 year old IRS Falcon and you'll see the Ford was more sophisticated even back then. Point is suspension types are not the be all and end all.. Its how its set up. I'd certainly rather a VZ HSV over a VE SS.

[Metal]

There have been lots of comments about the interior of the WRX Sti and for the EVO’s as well, you’ve picked two almost purpose built cars to go fast around a track. I guess a lot of people expect more in the way of comforts these days, not everyone is just after a dedicated track weapon. In fact probably most don’t see a track at all. HSV should maybe take note and look at improving this area, Mazda and VW to name a couple can do it better


Have to admit, I get a lot of people surprised at the interior (and performance - had to mention that =P ) of my mazda6 MPS, whereas not many are overly excited about the Clubby interior. Granted the Clubby has a more comfy feel, but in terms of design, it seems so-so. Personally, I feel the black dashboards with the white interior looks sharp, whereas in the clubby there is alot of grey which IMO makes it feel alot cheaper.

I'm not a fan of the later BMW interiors for example, as I feel they have appeared to go backwards in design, however there is no denying how much better built they seem when you sit in them compared to the Holdens..The price is higher for the same class of car, so of course it seems as though it should be better...though it should be noted that the price is only excessively high for those cars 'in Australia'

my 2c

[macca_779]

Have to admit, I get a lot of people surprised at the interior/performance of my mazda6 MPS, whereas not many are to excited about the Clubby interior. Granted the Clubby has a more comfy feel, but in terms of design, it seems so-so. Personally, I feel the black dashboards with the white interior looks sharp, whereas in the clubby there is alot of grey which IMO makes it feel alot cheaper.

I'm not a fan of the later BMW interiors for example, as I feel they have appeared to go backwards in design, however there is no denying how much more elegent and well built they feel when you sit in them compared to the Holdens..The price is more, so of course....but that wasn't the point in this instance

Mazda interiors have been well designed for years. They certainly have that part sussed out all they need now are some more powerful engines and a RWD platform.

As far as the Germans go, I reckon Audi has got that down pat. Check out an S6 Interior. :drool: I'll have an RS6 thank you over any other German Sedan.

[macca33]

Fair point ... but still fairly useless for prospective buyers unfortunately.

For example, Macca33 has made his views on the E Series GTS fairly clear, I have owned one for almost 3 years (ordered it the day they were officially released) and absolutely love it ... best car I have ever owned, probably best looking car I have ever owned too.

Now if Macca33 had given us a preview 3 days before the release in 2006 it wouldn't have been favourable at all ... he would have said "stick with your VX". Boy would that have been a mistake ... my E Series shits all over my VX.

:D

My point is simply that 3 guys saying they're great tells a genuine buyer nothing ... I'm not putting a deposit down until I know everything and have seen everything, and that will be Wednesday no matter who got a sneak peak. HSV deems jouno's and forum reps worthy of a preview but not regular buyers ... that just makes zero sense to me. Why not offer someone who has purchased one each of VX / VY / VZ / VE HSV the chance to get an order in before the official release ?

Now that's customer service ... :yup:

It's great that the forum is developing a relationship with HSV (they sure have no interest in developing a relationship with their "frequent buyers") ... maybe these are a few points you could raise with the HSV guys ?

As it stands most of the HSV "frequent buyers" I know have purchased a German make in the last 12 months ... myself included.


Nick, nothing said here, or in the print media will (in reality and when people get off their soapboxes and think with common sense), prove beneficial to a prospective purchaser. Getting out and looking at the things, then driving them is the way that I'd purchase a vehicle, not through a reliance upon what some scribe wrote in a journal - I'm sure you do the same when you purchase a vehicle.

I stand by what I thought of E series, even now. The E2 is different in my opinion and the Senator - which I did like in E is also better now. Perhaps 3 years of 'E' has resulted in my opinions being altered somewhat? In any event, I wouldn't agree that I'd prefer an E2 over my VX, I simply stated that I could see myself purchasing an E2 Senator - there is a difference.

As for the frequent purchaser argument - we did actually mention that to the HSV blokes, however, is it not up to you as a 'premium,' 'frequent' customer to argue your case for yourself???

If you, or any other 'frequent buyer' is not happy with their plaque, then tell HSV, do not whine and complain to HSV, by proxy, at people who have no hidden agenda or capacity to change anything. You have the power as a frequent purchaser, through your dealer, to express an opinion - I'm sure it will be heard.

We simply took advantage of an offer that any person on this forum would have availed themselves of, if provided the opportunity.

In this instance, I strongly suspect that sour grapes have presented themselves and it is very disappointing that people cannot see the bigger picture involving the development of a strong relationship, that may lead to bigger and brighter things.

At the end of the day, I do not have to provide an excuse to any person with regards to the opportunity that availed itself and people who are expressing such negative attitudes really ought to take a step back and think for a moment - it is getting boring.

I wonder what the responses would have been like if I said the new car was shite???

[matthewfnorbert]

i am sure they expect you to "leak" info, photos from your camera tie etc, and seed a few more extra sales ... lol



so cough up

[AQICLS3]

I have never seen so many posts about nothing :lmao:

[macca33]

I have never seen so many posts about nothing :lmao:
Didn't Seinfeld make a show about that once?

[vecommo]

I really don't understand why some people are so bitter over this. The launch is 2 days away, not 2 years... Is it really going to kill you to wait a few hours? I think its great that the forum has established a relationship with HSV, but all they are getting for it in return is shit in their faces. Besides, going by all the negativity and critisism of E2 in the other thread, its funny how there is suddenly so much interest in it.

[Jarhead]

Good job guys!:goodjob:

HSV have certainly got their money's worth by sending you 3 down. I imagine the well timed hype was just what the HSV bean counters regard as ROI.

I know you have been careful with your wording but my NDA precludes me from even discussing the new models.

In all honesty I don't think the general public will find them 'pleasing to the eye'.

[NickS]

Nick, nothing said here, or in the print media will (in reality and when people get off their soapboxes and think with common sense), prove beneficial to a prospective purchaser. Getting out and looking at the things, then driving them is the way that I'd purchase a vehicle, not through a reliance upon what some scribe wrote in a journal - I'm sure you do the same when you purchase a vehicle.

I stand by what I thought of E series, even now. The E2 is different in my opinion and the Senator - which I did like in E is also better now. Perhaps 3 years of 'E' has resulted in my opinions being altered somewhat? In any event, I wouldn't agree that I'd prefer an E2 over my VX, I simply stated that I could see myself purchasing an E2 Senator - there is a difference.

As for the frequent purchaser argument - we did actually mention that to the HSV blokes, however, is it not up to you as a 'premium,' 'frequent' customer to argue your case for yourself???

If you, or any other 'frequent buyer' is not happy with their plaque, then tell HSV, do not whine and complain to HSV, by proxy, at people who have no hidden agenda or capacity to change anything. You have the power as a frequent purchaser, through your dealer, to express an opinion - I'm sure it will be heard.

We simply took advantage of an offer that any person on this forum would have availed themselves of, if provided the opportunity.

In this instance, I strongly suspect that sour grapes have presented themselves and it is very disappointing that people cannot see the bigger picture involving the development of a strong relationship, that may lead to bigger and brighter things.

At the end of the day, I do not have to provide an excuse to any person with regards to the opportunity that availed itself and people who are expressing such negative attitudes really ought to take a step back and think for a moment - it is getting boring.

I wonder what the responses would have been like if I said the new car was shite???

Never intended to have a shot at you mate ... I see it may have come across that way, but it was never the intention.

Would it be correct to say that you'd keep your VX over a Series 1 GTS ? That's the comparison I was making, not to say anything negative about your opinion, just to show that the three of expressing an opinion doesn't actually tell us anything. Pics & info do ...

I have tried communicating this sort of stuff with HSV personnel on several occasions over the years ... never gets anywhere. I only raised it as a point as you guys seem to have someone's ear. I'll almost certainly buy another HSV within the next year ... only because we need the room with the kids, otherwise I'm kinda losing interest.

I can 100% see why you guys jumped at the opportunity, as I would have ... probably some sour grapes / jealousy clouding my posts, but I assure you it's HSV I have the shits with, not you guys or LS1.

Look forward to more info. come Wednesday.

:cheers:

[SLIPPERY]

Any way back to the cars, was there any one colour that really set these cars off with there new exterier?

[vecommo]

Good job guys!:goodjob:

HSV have certainly got their money's worth by sending you 3 down. I imagine the well timed hype was just what the HSV bean counters regard as ROI.

I know you have been careful with your wording but my NDA precludes me from even discussing the new models.

In all honesty I don't think the general public will find them 'pleasing to the eye'.I very much doubt that this has created any new sales for HSV. Whoever buys an E2 would most likely have bought one regardless.

[Vulture]

HSV should maybe take note and look at improving this area, Mazda and VW to name a couple can do it better

Fair point. No arguments with me there. VW and Mazda, plus Audi. The 2010 RS3 looks tempting with the TTRS engine :drool: LINK (http://www.themotorreport.com.au/40695/2010-audi-rs3-coming-to-frankfurt-report/)

I'll have a serious look at an E2 Senator (that should make Macca happy!). One thing that has got me thinking is what are HSV going to do with the VF? I realise this might sound premature given that E2 is not out yet. HSV are clearly running on a more aggressive product refreshment timetable than Holden; in which case, is E2 going to be rather short-lived before an "F series" update?

[macca33]

Nick, it is all good, I see where you and others are coming from too - especially as true supporters of the brand over multiple years / models. As I said, we raised it with Simon FROST and he seemed to appreciate the feedback in that regard.

I 'spose all that I can finish by saying is that we have an opportunity to improve relationships, perhaps, to a point where HSV could do something special for ls1'ers in the future, as they often do for HSVOC members and should something eventuate, it would be of benefit to all.

:hide: Yep, I'd keep my VX over the E GTS - I love the car and what it means to me, first HSV, all the bits that I want, etc, etc - I'm becoming nostalgic in my old age! The E GTS is a good rig, just not my cuppa tea, however, I like the improvements in aesthetics AND options in the new rig (Senator).

Wednesday will be here soon enough and people can either applaud, or jeer - all opinions will be based upon pictures at the very least.

I hope Swingers got some good shots!

[swingtan]

Actually, there are some new colours being released. One of them has hints of a previous special colour, but amped a fair bit. The new metallics do accentuate the new body angles very well. I tried to get some good angles and overall shots to bring up the paint colours, but the light was quite low....

[Pickles]

macca & Nicks.....Great posts....simply proves once again, that there are some great people on this forum, with a wealth of knowledge...keep it coming.
Cheers, Pickles.

[bouka]

Fair point. No arguments with me there. VW and Mazda, plus Audi. The 2010 RS3 looks tempting with the TTRS engine :drool:

I'll have a serious look at an E2 Senator (that should make Macca happy!). One thing that has got me thinking is what are HSV going to do with the VF? I realise this might sound premature given that E2 is not out yet. HSV are clearly running on a more aggressive product refreshment timetable than Holden; in which case, is E2 going to be rather short-lived before an "F series" update?

Interesting point about the VF.

Maybe the VF will consist of very minor changes that will not effect the E2. Front and rear bars and maybe indicators on mirrors and minor internal stuff that will not effect E2 or can be incorporated as minor running changes.

Thinking about it, the only panels that HSV don't alter are the doors and roof and any changes from ve to vf will probably be on panels excluding the doors and roof.

I certainly hope the E2 is not short lived.

[w1LL dA BeA5t]

if there are 2 new colours, i'm guessing they'd be the new colours released with the MY10 VE models? Poison Ivy is kinda similar to the old HSV Racing Green

Wildfire is also very similar to Tiger/Hackett Gold

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t26/v8holdentiger/ve.jpg

http://liveimages.carsales.com.au/dealer/carpoint/12159454.jpg

[macca_779]

Actually, there are some new colours being released. One of them has hints of a previous special colour, but amped a fair bit. The new metallics do accentuate the new body angles very well. I tried to get some good angles and overall shots to bring up the paint colours, but the light was quite low....

Hopefully its something like Hacket Gold (thats the rumor I got). One of the best pallets HSV ever ran with IMO.

[planetdavo]

I have never seen so many posts about nothing :lmao:
After that big E2 thread where nearly every man and his dog said the E2 was utter sh!t based on a small number of grainy photo's, we now have 3 moderators telling us that E2 looks sensational in the metal. STILL some people wont accept that's possible, and STILL, they haven't even seen the car!
Fancy something real looking far better than some crap 2 dimentional photo hey. Exactly why a hot chick in your bed will always be way better than a hot chick on your laptop...:teach:

[VXSS346]

Nice work fellas, Look forward to seeing the pics on Wednesday.

We need more threads on topics like this. :)

:goodjob:

Cheers :)

[ti0350]

Hope you guys managed to get some Tourer pics, the Mrs is very kean on an SSV sportwagon but I'd like to stretch that to R8 Tourer

[Steve-LS2]

There seems to be a lot of conjecture about whether HSV ask previous buyers to attend exclusive release events etc.

An old work friend bought build #73 VZ GTO about 2 months before VE came out and he was invited to the release show, he said it was quite good but at the time he wasn't a fan of the VE shape.

Maybe they only send invites to Melbourne owners, I know NickS had bought a Coupe new but since he lives in Sydney maybe they assume he wouldn't want to fly down from Sydney to attend.

My 2 Cents

[swingtan]

Ahh, yes.... The Tourer...... It looked great and the memories of it are still tempting me now. I really like the shape of the Sportwagon and while it's not as big as the VZ model, it fits more in it than a sedan. The Tourer got the same exhaust tips as the Maloo, something I quite liked, possibly more than the sedan / GTS style exhaust. Oh, and for those that like a manual, HSV has not forgotten you.....

Simon.

[aedeau]

Oh, and for those that like a manual, HSV has not forgotten you.....

So does that mean we now get a manual transmission that will last more that 5,000kms before something breaks? :1peek:

oh wait... you must be referring to the launch control :bow:

[mustanger]

Only a couple of sleeps to go now :sleep:

I like the LED lights http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss238/jame33/senator2.jpg

[macca_779]

So does that mean we now get a manual transmission that will last more that 5,000kms before something breaks? :1peek:

oh wait... you must be referring to the launch control :bow:

Which we already knew about.

[mustanger]

Oh , and I like the new larger exhaust tips.

A lot better than the skinny pea shooters they had on E1

http://i579.photobucket.com/albums/ss238/jame33/clubsport2.jpg

[seldo]

Nick, nothing said here, or in the print media will (in reality and when people get off their soapboxes and think with common sense), prove beneficial to a prospective purchaser. Getting out and looking at the things, then driving them is the way that I'd purchase a vehicle, not through a reliance upon what some scribe wrote in a journal - I'm sure you do the same when you purchase a vehicle.

I stand by what I thought of E series, even now. The E2 is different in my opinion and the Senator - which I did like in E is also better now. Perhaps 3 years of 'E' has resulted in my opinions being altered somewhat? In any event, I wouldn't agree that I'd prefer an E2 over my VX, I simply stated that I could see myself purchasing an E2 Senator - there is a difference.

As for the frequent purchaser argument - we did actually mention that to the HSV blokes, however, is it not up to you as a 'premium,' 'frequent' customer to argue your case for yourself???

If you, or any other 'frequent buyer' is not happy with their plaque, then tell HSV, do not whine and complain to HSV, by proxy, at people who have no hidden agenda or capacity to change anything. You have the power as a frequent purchaser, through your dealer, to express an opinion - I'm sure it will be heard.

We simply took advantage of an offer that any person on this forum would have availed themselves of, if provided the opportunity.

In this instance, I strongly suspect that sour grapes have presented themselves and it is very disappointing that people cannot see the bigger picture involving the development of a strong relationship, that may lead to bigger and brighter things.

At the end of the day, I do not have to provide an excuse to any person with regards to the opportunity that availed itself and people who are expressing such negative attitudes really ought to take a step back and think for a moment - it is getting boring.

I wonder what the responses would have been like if I said the new car was shite???Macca - I didn't mean to sound negative about either the trip or the car itself. The point I was trying to make is that your invite - whilst very exciting and satisfying from a personal standpoint - did nothing for me or any other member. We are non the wiser and won't be until Weds morning, so how did it help the forum?
Now - if they'd given you some pre-release shots - that would have been a different kettle of fish.
So - I didn't mean to rain on your parade, but all us envious guys who didn't get a gurnsey, are no better off.
And the cars themselves - no matter what you'd said, I'd still have to see, touch, feel and drive, before passing an opinion, but at this stage I'm also still happy with my Senator . :)

[WH Captain]

HSV are loving this thread!! Well done i am hanging to see the Senator, always the best looking model for sure..

LOL @ 10 pages of not much at all..

[macca33]

Macca - I didn't mean to sound negative about either the trip or the car itself. The point I was trying to make is that your invite - whilst very exciting and satisfying from a personal standpoint - did nothing for me or any other member. We are non the wiser and won't be until Weds morning, so how did it help the forum?
Now - if they'd given you some pre-release shots - that would have been a different kettle of fish.
So - I didn't mean to rain on your parade, but all us envious guys who didn't get a gurnsey, are no better off.
And the cars themselves - no matter what you'd said, I'd still have to see, touch, feel and drive, before passing an opinion, but at this stage I'm also still happy with my Senator . :)
Cheers Seldo, as with Nicks views, I see your point, also. Hopefully this exercise will lead to more 'exclusive' offers for the forum in general - only time will tell.

[Ghosn]

Nick, HSV couldn't care less about you, or me, or anyone else on this forum. It's just a marketing exercise to get more exposure and sell more cars and make more money. ;)

[HSVQUE]

I don't see how this was any benefit for anyone on this forum except for those 3 people invited.. You will be able to report information to us on the same day as all the other Car Media outlets so none of this does much for the LS1.com.au community really... 3 Days before launch is nothing really that special.. Sounds more like them trying to keep you on side?

Rob

[RED R8]

God damn sux to be Ryzz, swingtan & Macca, how dare you get invited to a new HSV launch and not the other 25,000 of us...

Good on you I say Im just jealous as for the car well I like the one Ive got and with 14k on the clock it will be staying in my garage for some time to come but all those guys who have to have the latest bumpers and the extra seat of your pants 15rwkw go get em...

[fatbob]

Will look forward to seeing the shots and hearing your views on the new series when you put them up.

Those views given that you've seen the cars in the flesh, and should know what the forum members give a damn about, should make interesting reading.

Will surely beat reading some dealership or internet spruiker review for sure.

[NickS]

Nick, HSV couldn't care less about you, or me, or anyone else on this forum. It's just a marketing exercise to get more exposure and sell more cars and make more money. ;)

Unfortunately I think you're spot on ... which is a shame.

[swingtan]

Soooooo......

Can any one else see the oxymoron here?

HSV doesn't care about any one on this forum, but they want more exposure here to sell more cars?

Sounds to me like the do in fact care about people on this forum as they are potential customers. But let's not get too tied down with that.

It actually disappoints me that so many people here have chosen to see a very negative side of what was a great day, not just for the three that went along, but for the whole forum. In case people need reminding, this is a forum about cars, Holden cars and HSV is producing the flagship brand. Without HSV, a large portion of this very forum would not exist. Does HSV get a benefit from the forum? Sure they they do, but the forum and its members also benefit in many different ways. One example is that HSV use the information on this to help design their new models. Don't think that HSV are not monitoring these forums. While they may not post a great deal, they do read the posts people put up.

People need to take a step back and look at the possibilities that are in front of them and the forum as a whole. Not just look at what is in it for themselves. This first visit was a very small step in what we hope will be a long a strong relationship between the forums and HSV. Who knows, maybe it will also bring in more active participation from GMH as well.

The question has been asked about what this thread has really done for the forum members. Well, in tangible terms, we now have a single place that has collated a lot of the spy shots and "semi public" knowledge about the upcoming range. Many for the first time have heard about some of the rumored technology and we have pics of some of the possible new colours. We have also answered the big question about how the cars look compared to the spy shots which many didn't like.

I for one am very pleased with HSV becoming more involved and even if I didn't get to go on Sunday, I would still see this as a positive event for the forums as a whole.

Simon.

[Martin_D]

The big question is, did they supply lunch? and if so I hope it wasnt the normal style 'Pub Grub' from Toms slop shack. Surely E2 was worthy of some seafood 'horse-de-overs' :lol:

[NickS]

People need to take a step back and look at the possibilities that are in front of them and the forum as a whole. Not just look at what is in it for themselves. This first visit was a very small step in what we hope will be a long a strong relationship between the forums and HSV.

Simon,

That's all well and good ... but the forum doesn't help me pay for my cars and I have spent over $300K with HSV in the last 6 years or so and probably another $200K - $250K with Holden.

What do I get for that loyalty ? A "spy" shot of a headlight (or some other just as useless rubbish).

Several other repeat HSV owners on here have expressed the same disappointment with HSV's treatment of "frequent buyers".

I get where you guys are coming from and yes, it's great for the forum ... but it does jack for the guys buying new HSV's year after year. If you don't want us using the forum to express our disappointment, just say so and delete the posts, I'm fine with that. You have all indicated that HSV personnel read this stuff and I reckon they need to hear this stuff ... maybe they couldn't give a stuff, maybe I should just buy something else.

:confused:

Whatever the case ... don't take our negativity as a personal attack ( ... expect against Ryzz maybe ), the negativity is towards HSV and to be honest, I think I'm perfectly entitled to the views I have.

24 hours 35 mins to go ...

[SCiFiRE]

I think its great that HSV invited you guys for a sneak peak.

Obviously, there isn't much in it for the rest of the forums, yet, but building a stronger relationship with Holden and HSV could indeed lead to more exclusives and sneak peaks in the future.

Maybe LS1.com.au may one day get access to press days and drives, and we can have a review from our own guys go up on the forum on the same day the magazines hit the shelves? (rather than waiting until they hit the streets to hear what our forum friends think?)

Maybe if the forum earns some trust with HSV by not leaking what they've seen at these events, HSV might let 5 people go next time? Maybe more later?

and on the other foot, Maybe the ls1 forum guys speaking directly with HSV brass might be able to convince them to open up on the forums, and answer a few questions like the GMHolden section of the forum has done previously? Sure they can't talk about future product, But they can certainly enlighten us on decisions made with the cars that are on the road.

[C4B]

The big question is, did they supply lunch? and if so I hope it wasnt the normal style 'Pub Grub' from Toms slop shack. Surely E2 was worthy of some seafood 'horse-de-overs' :lol:

Based on the enthusiasm from the participants I suspect these may have been on the menu:

http://www.jobs.nma.gov.au/shared/libraries/images/temporary_exhibitions/collector_cam_king/slideshow_large/arnotts_sao_biscuit_tin/files/16973/05%20Arnotts-sao-biscuits_w480.jpg

[sjhugh]

Yummm Sao, are they the soggy ones?

[macca_779]

Yummm Sao, are they the soggy ones?

LOL Who lost?

[jacket]

Gents and ladies,

Just a quick point of clarification re frustrations expressed by NickS and others about which Frequent Buyers were invited to Clayton last week to see the new E2 range.

Basically any customer who we were able to locate through our database and other methods who had purchased seven cars or more AND is a member of the Frequent Buyers Club was invited to come to Melbourne. From the 30-odd invitations we sent out, about half ended up attending.

Just remember also to join the Frequent Buyers Club you need to have purchased three cars and be enrolled in the program by your authorised HSV Dealer. Benefits of membership include tickets to V8 Supercar events and Motorshows, merchandise and of course, your name engraved on the plaque in HSV Reception. More details can be found at: http://www.hsv.com.au/dealers/fbc.asp

best regards,
Simon Frost

PS swingtan - i have your memory cards from Sunday under lock and key in my office, awaiting your pick-up tomorrow...

[Rub]

This thread is missing something..

For Sledo and NickS in particular :)

This is for you lads..

:wambulance:

[mustanger]

Simon,

That's all well and good ... but the forum doesn't help me pay for my cars and I have spent over $300K with HSV in the last 6 years or so and probably another $200K - $250K with Holden.

What do I get for that loyalty ? A "spy" shot of a headlight (or some other just as useless rubbish).

Several other repeat HSV owners on here have expressed the same disappointment with HSV's treatment of "frequent buyers".

I get where you guys are coming from and yes, it's great for the forum ... but it does jack for the guys buying new HSV's year after year. If you don't want us using the forum to express our disappointment, just say so and delete the posts, I'm fine with that. You have all indicated that HSV personnel read this stuff and I reckon they need to hear this stuff ... maybe they couldn't give a stuff, maybe I should just buy something else.

:confused:

Whatever the case ... don't take our negativity as a personal attack ( ... expect against Ryzz maybe ), the negativity is towards HSV and to be honest, I think I'm perfectly entitled to the views I have.

24 hours 35 mins to go ...

I agree with Nick :goodjob:

[Excellent]

So what’s the solution?

It only takes a minute for pictures to appear on other sites after they first appear on ls1.com.au. Not much exclusivity there.

This is the internet.

[boyley]

Nick, HSV couldn't care less about you, or me, or anyone else on this forum. It's just a marketing exercise to get more exposure and sell more cars and make more money. ;)

I concur...........oh and to the lucky mods good luck to you

[korrupt]

Gents and ladies,

Just a quick point of clarification re frustrations expressed by NickS and others about which Frequent Buyers were invited to Clayton last week to see the new E2 range.

Basically any customer who we were able to locate through our database and other methods who had purchased seven cars or more AND is a member of the Frequent Buyers Club was invited to come to Melbourne. From the 30-odd invitations we sent out, about half ended up attending.

Just remember also to join the Frequent Buyers Club you need to have purchased three cars and be enrolled in the program by your authorised HSV Dealer. Benefits of membership include tickets to V8 Supercar events and Motorshows, merchandise and of course, your name engraved on the plaque in HSV Reception. More details can be found at: http://www.hsv.com.au/dealers/fbc.asp

best regards,
Simon Frost

PS swingtan - i have your memory cards from Sunday under lock and key in my office, awaiting your pick-up tomorrow...
Hopefully that clears that up and we can concentrate on the E2 updates now.

[mustanger]

Hopefully that clears that up and we can concentrate on the E2 updates now.

You will have to wait until tomorrow :lol:

[LooneyR8]

So what’s the solution?

It only takes a minute for pictures to appear on other sites after they first appear on ls1.com.au. Not much exclusivity there.

This is the internet.

True....but knowing Swingtan I am sure he will put an LS1.com.au marker on the images so that if other sites do 'borrow' his pictures, everyone will know where they came from.

Just a thought.

[GODSMACK]

True....but knowing Swingtan I am sure he will put an LS1.com.au marker on the images so that if other sites do 'borrow' his pictures, everyone will know where they came from.

Just a thought. Then someone who is extremely proficient with Photoshop can remove the marker and post in another forum....

[falcom]

Isn,t Holden supposed to be releasing all the info on MY10 today?

I don't seem to be able to find anything yet.

[LooneyR8]

Then someone who is extremely proficient with Photoshop can remove the marker and post in another forum....

True....but I wouldnt waste my time doing it because I have better things to do with my time than rip off other peoples work and or images and claim it as my own...

But back on subject......

Clock is counting down and lets all keep the negativaty to a minimum and wait and see the images and write up from the boys..!!

[ti0350]

I really looking forward to seeing what the E2 looks like as an R8 Tourer could end up being my first HSV..

[sjhugh]

I tend to agree with NickS, though I don’t see that as any fault of those who did see a preview of the cars. Good for the forum I say, good marketing by HSV as well. Though from a business point of view, it’s necessary to keep the existing customer base happy while expanding it with first time buyers. I don’t think a solution is needed to decide who gets to see the new product first, that’s not possible. What is needed is to ensure the new product reflects the requirements and aspirations of the customer. Not everyone wants these vehicles and those who do, have a wide range of reasons for their purchase. As the existing customer base matures their reasons will often metamorphosis and over time their focus changes. I feel I’m in a transformation stage. I’m now in my forties and the excitement of a new release as in earlier years is not there, though my curiosity is. I’m in the market for a new Ute and the options are few, so I’ve been waiting to see what the new Maloo has to offer. I doubt I’ll purchase a new HSV sedan to replace my existing one in the near future because of my changing taste but I am excited to find out what Audi will release as a replacement for the RS4. I no longer expect HSV to compete with the German’s but a couple of years ago they sure did push the VE hard through their advertising campaign as a worthy alternative and that sent me to check out the opposition. I came away with a completely different opinion on what I want. As a repeat customer, I guess I’m gradually falling by the wayside.

[zorro]

Simon, thats a great initiative but going off a number of seven seems a little high dont you think.

I know these are different brand but my olds have had BMWs, Mercs, Porsches and even Mitsubishis. Whilst owning and even after NOT owning one of these for many years they still receive phone calls from sales, receive the monthly magazines, invites to drive days etc... Knowing a couple of dedicated HSV owners they do not get this sort of thing, which, in any world of sales is what contributes highly to keep customers.

Im not going to tell HSV how to operate but these blokes like NickS who do spend some money and do like the cars all they want is to be shown a bit of love from the guys who they spend some money with.

Anyway good luck with the E2 launch, it has sure got a few people talking. :goodjob:



Basically any customer who we were able to locate through our database and other methods who had purchased seven cars or more AND is a member of the Frequent Buyers Club was invited to come to Melbourne. From the 30-odd invitations we sent out, about half ended up attending.
...

[exwrx]

Guys,

I think some of us have lost a bit of perspective here. A few points to remember:

- our moderators are volunteers and I thank them for taking the time to attend the preview;

- HSV is a business and is engaging with this forum for its own financial gain - that's fine, provided the integrity of the forum is not compromised;

- thanks to the preview, this forum will be in a position to hit the ground running with pics and details on launch date, just as the paper mags and mainstream automotive websites do with new models, but in real time for us;

- HSV's loyalty program and the LS1.com HSV preview are not mutually exclusive. I really don't see the relevance of HSV buyers using this thread to bag the preview just because HSV don't know how to treat customers properly.

My 2c and I look forward to the pics and writeups. :goodjob:

[Avalanche]

Guys,

I think some of us have lost a bit of perspective here. A few points to remember:

- our moderators are volunteers and I thank them for taking the time to attend the preview;

- HSV is a business and is engaging with this forum for its own financial gain - that's fine, provided the integrity of the forum is not compromised;

- thanks to the preview, this forum will be in a position to hit the ground running with pics and details on launch date, just as the paper mags and mainstream automotive websites do with new models, but in real time for us;

- HSV's loyalty program and the LS1.com HSV preview are not mutually exclusive. I really don't see the relevance of HSV buyers using this thread to bag the preview just because HSV don't know how to treat customers properly.

My 2c and I look forward to the pics and writeups. :goodjob:

You are exactly right there, this will give us quick direct info from moderators that are just as interested as i am in the new HSV range. It is certainly easier than trying to pry that info from a dealership.
As for wanting a reacharound for buying a couple of cars.......... well, i think HSV does need a fluffer, coffee & biscuits only go so far:stick:
Moderators, just remember, lots of wagon info. eg, options etc wheel sizes, towing capacity, headers y/n ???? colours.

[Excellent]

Actually, if this thread is any guide, if I were HSV, I'd seriously look at avoiding this site altogether as far as future 'leaks' are concerned. HSV would have far less negativity if they controlled their leaks using an alternative media source.

I'm definitely no suck, that's for sure.

[Ghosn]

Actually, if this thread is any guide, if I were HSV, I'd seriously look at avoiding this site altogether as far as future 'leaks' are concerned. HSV would have far less negativity if they controlled their leaks using an alternative media source.

I'm definitely no suck, that's for sure.

LOL What leaks? :confused:

[sjhugh]

Actually, if this thread is any guide, if I were HSV, I'd seriously look at avoiding this site altogether as far as future 'leaks' are concerned. HSV would have far less negativity if they controlled their leaks using an alternative media source.

I'm definitely no suck, that's for sure.



If there was no negativity it would be a sign of one of two things. Either they have the perfect product or no-one has any interest what so ever in their cars. I think it shows the passion many owners have. You’re only hurt by the ones you love.

[Metal]

If there was no negativity it would be a sign of one of two things. Either they have the perfect product or no-one has any interest what so ever in their cars. I think it shows the passion many owners have. You’re only hurt by the ones you love.

No negativity would be a sign of perfection or no interest? Are you sure about that? coupe 60??...im sure it's not 'perfect', but it's had lots of interest and not many complaints (other than it not actually existing on the road -yet). If the car looks and seems to be good... people will say so, and vice versa.

MY 2c on the leaked photos, as follows =>

Unfortunately, if a car looks good in real life and bad in photos, what this actually means is that from certain angles, the car is most probably not proportioned correctly/appropriately/nicely or simply has awkard styling etc from those angles. When we view in real life, our eyes see from a variety of angles at the same time, even if we are standing relatively still so our vision blends the good with the bad and the image can appear to be fine. If we take a shot of a car from the front and it looks rediculous, then if you sit in that exact position and stare at the car in real life, completely still, you will probably notice this same imperfection. I personally believe that the design of the E2 front-on 'IS' very average, regardless of how it looks in real life. But as I said, the car might look 'Great', but the actual design is far from amazing IMO.

[HSVREDSLED]

There must be something wrong with me.

I can't get pumped up about a series 2 model which will be slightly different from the series 1 model. And the special preview is just marketing. Everyone does it...and from this thread it has worked a treat!!!

Commons sense would indicate that why even look at the model for a good six months anyway? Not unless you want to be sodomised to the tune of tens of thousands of $$$ over what the real worth of the car is which will emerge in 6 to 12 months time. Congrats to those who picked up bargains late last year.

[Metal]

I hate when I post in the wrong thread =( ignore above, lol

[Sidewindr]

So what’s the solution?

It only takes a minute for pictures to appear on other sites after they first appear on ls1.com.au. Not much exclusivity there.

This is the internet.

Reproduction or republishing of copyrighted material is illegal, the pictures swingy took are the intellectual property of the forum and thus cannot be reproduced of published without the express permission of the forums. Bear in mind that these pictures would not exist if the forums were not invited to the pre-release and swingy did not take any pics.


Then someone who is extremely proficient with Photoshop can remove the marker and post in another forum....

So that forum can and will receive a notice to remove the copyrighted material and the user will possibly be subject to legal proceedings ...

[GODSMACK]

Reproduction or republishing of copyrighted material is illegal, the pictures swingy took are the intellectual property of the forum and thus cannot be reproduced of published without the express permission of the forums. Bear in mind that these pictures would not exist if the forums were not invited to the pre-release and swingy did not take any pics.



So that forum can and will receive a notice to remove the copyrighted material and the user will possibly be subject to legal proceedings ... I remember visiting a website once, tried to right click on the page to 'save target as" and up popped a dialog box stating "right click not permitted".. Anyway of implementing this on the pics when they are officially published on the forum?

Just a thought... Although i agree what you are saying in regards to the pics being reproduced of published without the express permission of the forum, its bound to happen, unfortunetly...

[Sidewindr]

I remember visiting a website once, tried to right click on the page to 'save target as" and up popped a dialog box stating "right click not permitted".. Anyway of implementing this on the pics when they are officially published on the forum?

Just a thought... Although i agree what you are saying in regards to the pics being reproduced of published without the express permission of the forum, its bound to happen, unfortunetly...

It is possible but not worth it as it is easily circumvented.. you still miss the point the pictures would not exist in the first place if we had not been invited for a preview look see .. :)

[GODSMACK]

It is possible but not worth it as it is easily circumvented.. you still miss the point the pictures would not exist in the first place if we had not been invited for a preview look see .. :)

Not true, come tomorrow, we would have done a google search, and saved hundreds of pics taken by others attending the same event, then just linked them in this thread... :1peek: :1peek: :1peek:

[Ryzz]

Isn,t Holden supposed to be releasing all the info on MY10 today?

I don't seem to be able to find anything yet.

The media embargo for my10 ends at 5 pm today


Not true, come tomorrow, we would have done a google search, and saved hundreds of pics taken by others attending the same event, then just linked them in this thread... :1peek: :1peek: :1peek:

You obviously have not been reading my post. The reveal tomorrow is in cyberspace. So no media onsite. We were the only people in attendance at HSV on Sunday so our pictures will be unique in that sense and will not be the perfectly cleaned up photos from HSV's PR dept, they are unique photos taken by Swingtan on Sunday

[Carby]

Great - hope you guys can get the info up by 5.01pm then!!

[1BEAST2NV]

ONE DAY TO GO B"S AND G"S

keep ya knickers on..... :lmao:

[Ryzz]

Great - hope you guys can get the info up by 5.01pm then!!

The media embargo ends at 9:10am tomorrow morning. Whilst we probably wont have anything up with pictures that early, as we all have full time jobs, we will do our best to have something up ASAP. It also depends on Swingtan getting time to collect his memory card from HSV tomorrow morning and upload the pics.

[SV805]

[QUOTE=jacket;1583419]Gents and ladies,

Just a quick point of clarification re frustrations expressed by NickS and others about which Frequent Buyers were invited to Clayton last week to see the new E2 range.

Basically any customer who we were able to locate through our database and other methods who had purchased seven cars or more AND is a member of the Frequent Buyers Club was invited to come to Melbourne. From the 30-odd invitations we sent out, about half ended up attending.


Well Nick S. The challenge has been set. You need to buy 2 more HSV's and register as a frequent buyer. Then you will be given the royal treatment and invited to all sorts of offical pre release functions and so on.

Maybe you should buy 2 of these E2's so you get the preview of VF. Just a thought.

PS to HSV and Mr frost. I think that 7 is a pretty big ask. I think 5 clearly shows how much loyalty Nick S has shown to the brand.

[HSVDKB]

Interested in tomorrows official unveiling

Also interesting to see that "Jacket" is HSV's PR man Simon Frost in light of his thread last year
Australian LS1 and Holden Forums (http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=99362)

[AQICLS3]

Yellow brake callipers.......:spew:

[mustanger]

[QUOTE=jacket;1583419]Gents and ladies,

Just a quick point of clarification re frustrations expressed by NickS and others about which Frequent Buyers were invited to Clayton last week to see the new E2 range.

Basically any customer who we were able to locate through our database and other methods who had purchased seven cars or more AND is a member of the Frequent Buyers Club was invited to come to Melbourne. From the 30-odd invitations we sent out, about half ended up attending

Haha,

Thats because the other 15 have probably passed away :lol:

Anyhow , not long to go now :toetap:


:idea: I am wondering if HSV is going to introduce LPG into the range :)

[Nitronic12]

Just another 9 hours.

[NickS]

The media embargo ends at 9:10am tomorrow morning. Whilst we probably wont have anything up with pictures that early, as we all have full time jobs, we will do our best to have something up ASAP. It also depends on Swingtan getting time to collect his memory card from HSV tomorrow morning and upload the pics.

Are you telling me that after all this build up we have to look somewhere else at 9:10am to see the new models ?

Send me the picks at 9:10am, I'll post 'em up at 9:11am ... work can wait.

:D

[GTS LSA]

1 hour 25 mins 38 secs

but who's counting:confused::confused:

[boyley]

How hot is Leanne

http://www.hsv.com.au/AreaE2/images/area_e2_driverlt.jpg

[steve_t]

Y'all need to run on NZ time and do the release already :goodjob:

[Angelo_XLR8]

not much longer now guys :-) (bit of a slow morning at work)

[Grommz]

I really cbf staying up another 20min to watch n see the same thing we've alreay seen..

Ill check the pictures from Simon when i get up in the morning.

[aedeau]

:)
I really cbf staying up another 20min to watch n see the same thing we've alreay seen..

Ill check the pictures from Simon when i get up in the morning.

it's actually only 2 more mins if you log onto the hsv website

EDIT: well that's lame. The E2 counter counted down to 0 and nothing happened

[theVman]

Oh my Fu&**ing God - what is with those wheels??!! :confused::spew:

Nup not a fan at all. They look very clumsy!!

[Old Lion]

A countdown to what ?

Cheers Old Lion

[GTS LSA]

:):):):):goodjob:

[[TWIGGA]]

The countdown fails every time...

However i can only get to the main page..

Cant get to http://www.hsv.com.au/hsv/showroom/

Guess its getting smashed at the moment...

[Grommz]

Someone just Screen shot it and get it up here..

[VECALAISV8]

HSV websites up...

[sszkid]

Yep those wheels are ugly as sin. But other then that I think they look pretty good.

[Robo_70]

still cant see anything..

[Angelo_XLR8]

screenshots please, my work account wont let me install the new flash player

[aedeau]

ditto, nothing looks different on the hsv website to me

[Rub]

okay so its 9:06...

:worthless:

[Liquid Force]

Hmm, not as ugly as I thought they were going to be, nice you can option the GTS with big brakes etc, to make it one step up from a Clubsport.

[Grommz]

Hsv sites working for me.

But im definatly over the "Terminator" Feel red screen..

[HSVREDSLED]

Its about time the GTS stood further out than the Clubbie.

[Robo_70]

the "E2 area" has not changed.. still looks the same or are we meant to look somewhere else. It seesm some have access some dont... dog of a site!

[Mozz]

The HSV site I do not like

[aedeau]

I just got an sms from holden saying to loginto my.hsv.com.au but I can't remember my vehicle vin :bawl:

[smoov GTS]

Would be nice if the site actually worked.
HSV website=FAIL

[Old Lion]

Must be like my 6 speed auto , blame it on the software ,Holden will just say
" It's a known issue and were working on it ":)

Cheers Old Lion

[goofafidamedes]

same here - website fail.

It's stuck on "IDENTIFYING VISUAL"... ah well.

[Angelo_XLR8]

screenshots anybody :-) cheers

-Ang

[EddieVE06]

same goes for me, what a fizzer.

HSV's website has always been crap

[Robo_70]

working now, the home page finally updated then follow the E2 link

[aedeau]

haha thos gts wheels are hilarious.... hideous almost. The sneator looks good though. very amg-ish. I like the multispoke wheels

[korrupt]

It looks exactly like those leaked photos to me. GTS looks like the ad that slipped out a few days ago.

[Robo_70]

http://www.hsv.com.au/hsv/showroom/

[redvxr8clubby]

Looks like GTS is 325 Kw now, maybe the extra Kw's is from the new exhaust I like the look of the car and the DRL's should look good, definitely an exclusive on HSV over say an SSV. I assume the Clubsport remains at 317 Kw. I always did like the series 1 Clubby's wheels anyway, not so sure about the new ones - probably one of those things that will grow on you or look better in the flesh.

[Old Lion]

Follow this link to the PDF Brochure

http://www.hsv.com.au/multimedia2007/brochures/E%20Series%202/e2.pdf

Cheers Old Lion

[sjhugh]

Everythings working fine for me, 6 piston brakes an option in the build your own section.

[korrupt]

325kw for GTS. Everything else is still 317kw. GTS gets standard bi-modal exhaust, launch control (manual only), competition mode esc and something called 'extended cruise control'.

[SV805]

Extended Cruise Control...Also brakes for you.

[sjhugh]

Bi-Modal exhaust & suspension package on the Clubby is an extra $3390

[falcom]

I like the front end.

Not sure about those wheels though.

Other than the GTS seats the Interior is very dated.(But thats Holden's fault)

Unlike Holden at least you can tell this is an updated model.

Come on Holden give this car the Interior it deserves.

[XLR8 V8]

Auto-up power windows on all models

[C4B]

The Senator Looks fantastic. Best one I've seen in a few models.

[Ryzz]

Simon is currently collecting his pictures and we will have our info up as soon as possible. Sometimes our real jobs have to come first :-(

[Rub]

again :)

:worthless:

hurry up Simon.. stop driving like UT! :D

[sjhugh]

I just watched the launch control demo video, that rear bar is so ricer. I suppose I'd have to see it in the flesh but from the video it's not good to me.

[Vulture]

I can't believe they used that horrible rear bar on the Senator. I reckon that will cost them sales to people looking for understated performance. The front bar is OK (on the Senator) but the rear! :rofl::spew:

[ssv1]

Like the Poison Ivy. Looks almost old skool 70's colour. Doesn't appear any change or improvement to the versions or appearance of the Sat Nav?

[NickS]

No daytime running lamps on the Grange ... interesting ?

Overall ... I'll stick with the Series 1 for now. Senator / Grange are appealing, not a huge fan of the wheels though. GTS just doesn't do it for me, too Fast + Furious.

Can't wait for some pics ...


I can't believe they used that horrible rear bar on the Senator. I reckon that will cost them sales to people looking for understated performance. The front bar is OK (on the Senator) but the rear! :rofl::spew:

Agree 100% ... not a fan of the rear bar at all ... wonder if you can fit the Series 1 bar and go back to the quad exhaust setup.

[VZSSTT]

Simon is currently collecting his pictures and we will have our info up as soon as possible. Sometimes our real jobs have to come first :-(

Come on for the hype this thread had u should of had a page ready to hit submit ages ago :) But for what its worth i love the new look :)

[VendeTTR]

Those GTS wheels are terrible, but the GTS does look good in white.

[vzss05]

Will have to wait till I see it in the flesh, but I must say I have been left underwhelmed by pictures of the e2. Only time will tell, however to all those with an e1, I think you can be happy with the best looking ve hsv!!

[gladrock]

The Maloo! I LOVE IT!
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3470/3901467467_4f08b5ac2f_o.jpg

[sjhugh]

I can't believe they used that horrible rear bar on the Senator. I reckon that will cost them sales to people looking for understated performance. The front bar is OK (on the Senator) but the rear! :rofl::spew:

You are so right, that rear bar would turn a lot of customers away. The front on the Senator is the pick of the bunch in my option and its the one without the nostrals.

Has anyone figured out what the world first is?

[V-Car]

I can't believe they used that horrible rear bar on the Senator. I reckon that will cost them sales to people looking for understated performance. The front bar is OK (on the Senator) but the rear! :rofl::spew:

Yes, the Senator front bar is slightly better than the rest of the range, but overall, it just ricer central! :eek::spew:
It jaw droppingly........BAD.:bawl:
Im still just stunned that someone has signed off on those designs.
The punters over at FF must be rolling on the floor laughing. :(

[ssv1]

GTS and Clubsport a little G8ish in frontal appearance - think some may still prefer E1 over the slightly "heavy" look of the E2. Personally, I love the Pentagon Millenium wheels though.

[sjhugh]

Navigation, sunroof & bi-modal are options on the Senator, get real.

[Ryzz]

Come on for the hype this thread had u should of had a page ready to hit submit ages ago :) But for what its worth i love the new look :)

If you bothered to read the thread you would of seen that we had to leave the memory card with the pictures at HSV until this morning, and have only just gotten the full brief info etc to collate and put together, plus still work our full time jobs.

[Vulture]

Yes, the Senator front bar is slightly better than the rest of the range, but overall, it just ricer central! :eek::spew:
It jaw droppingly........BAD.:bawl:
Im still just stunned that someone has signed off on those designs.
The punters over at FF must be rolling on the floor laughing. :(

Yes, HSV have taken a step backwards (appealing to the 14yo boy). I would rather start with an SSV next time and choose my own wheels etc than these riced abominations!

[ssv1]

Navigation, sunroof & bi-modal are options on the Senator, geat real.

Agree. How ANY manufacturer can make Sat Nav an option rather than simply standard in this day and age just defeats me!

[gladrock]

Definatley time to Trade the 05 in!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2662/3901499525_d32a0e09f1_o.jpg

[Hamster]

GTS now has 8.5" wide front rim too, interesting to see what changes this makes to handling.

[V-Car]

Simon is currently collecting his pictures and we will have our info up as soon as possible. Sometimes our real jobs have to come first :-(

No offense Ryzz, but youve had 2 days to put a story together, the photos could be added later.
Other media had the stories (and pictures) up just after 0900, LS1.com has missed the boat after all the promises.

Hype = 10.
Execution = Fail.