Ford / FPR lose another one

[seldo]

It seems that Ford's ridiculous insistence on a blue colour scheme has cost them big-time again...
Castrol - apparently unhappy at being denied their traditional green/red livery, will not be renewing their support of FPR at the end of the year.
Well-founded rumours have it that they will re-appear on a 2nd PMM/Supercheap car, bearing in mind that Supercheap are Castrol's biggest retailer in Aust, and the old Ingall/Castrol tie-up back in the Perkins days.
I can't wait to see the squealing on AFF... I guess they'll be calling for an embargo on buying Castrol this time. I bet Roland will be pleased to have a bit of heat taken off... ;)

[Souljah]

Is there a point where V8 Supercars should step in and stop teams making the move?
If this continues, Holden will have all the front running teams and Ford will be left with a heap of back markers which won't attract much if any sponsorship dollars. Not to mention boring races with Team Red towling up every round.

[mikek73xu1]

Is there a point where V8 Supercars should step in and stop teams making the move?
If this continues, Holden will have all the front running teams and Ford will be left with a heap of back markers which won't attract much if any sponsorship dollars. Not to mention boring races with Team Red towling up every round.

Or should the root of the problem be sorted out about why teams would want to change?

[Souljah]

Hence the V8 Supercars stepping in part. ;)

[seldo]

It's called "market forces"

[vz6.0]

maybe the ford teams can seek sponsorship with a taxi company, paint the thing yella and run it on lpg:jester:

[goofafidamedes]

Maybe the "powers that be" at Ford's motorsport and marketing divisions should get a friggin clue... :goodjob:

[UTESRULE]

or the ppl who sponsor the teams think before they sign on the dotted line if the car is blue well sit back and think for a while like the red with vodafone it took them abit of time but they have finally grown a brain and said hey holden are red will go sponsor them now

[vz6.0]

apart from the factory team (FORD perfomance racing) NONE of the other ford teams are named by teh manufacturer,

It can be argued by ford that they pulled their money because the cars arent blue, and thats their right as a SPONSOR, but the teams also have the right to chase the best deal for them, and their remaining sponsors.

Seems to me the amount of blue on a car should be/is commensurate with the amount of money the manufacturer is willing to tip in.

simply put, ford obviously want castrol to play by their rules which is their right for their factory backed team, castrol are under the impression that their money should buy some rights to displaying their corporate colour, PMM say, "sure, paint it whatever the hell you damn like, as long its your money in the till"

Someone dropped the ball, it aint 888, it aint castrol, and it sure as shit aint holden...

Last i checked, i could buy a ford in a colour other than blue, and ive never owned a red holden.

[Veeate]

http://www.v8supercars.com.au/content/hero_news/september_2009/fpr_is_proud_to_be_blue/

[hRTHSV]

I wonder what's going to happen with the SBR SP tools car. I wonder who puts in more money Ford or SP Tools. Surely Ford aren't stupid enough to think that the race fan can't tell the difference between a Ford and a Holden. My daughter could name all the models by 3 even tell the difference between a Hyundai and a Honda badge. Maybe I should submit her resume she might make a better president at Ford at 7 years of age, you can make her listen to reason most of the time unlike the current idiots at Ford. :soap:

[fatbob]

you know they actually quite similar to the uninitiated - ford and holden body shapes

[patto]

will there be any ford teams left next year?

[Special K]

i drive a blue holden...can ford sponsor me?

[Chappy]

Ford need to sit down and have a good long think about their Blue policy before they become de-funk in the Australian V8 race seen, race teams and their sponsors will not stand for Fords stand over tactics.

Holden is sitting back rubbing their hands together at Fords stupidity as they should, maybe over the next few years the V8's might go under a name change to "Holden V8 Supercars".

The stupid thing about this is why the automotive companies sponsor race team in the first place was to sell their product, if the V8's become predominant Holden it will reflect on car sales and Ford is having a tough enough time selling their cars as it is that alone letting Holden become the shining light.

Believe it or not people buy vehicle they see preforming on race track and the if the Holden dominate the screen it will reflect in the market place.

As to V8 Supercars stepping in to stop teams changing their vehicles that's unexceptible a team has the right to choose what ever make weather it be Holden or Ford, if the powers to be try to step in they will kill V8 racing that for sure and well will have to be content to watch rice burners buzzing around the track my god what a sobering though.

Ken.

[hoon69]

Ford funds these cars,ford has a huge say on what goes

not to say its right,how bloody boring would it be seeing nothing but blue fords driving around,ford australia need to wake up to themselves before they ruin V8's altogether.

[Chappy]

Ford funds these cars,ford has a huge say on what goes

not to say its right,how bloody boring would it be seeing nothing but blue fords driving around,ford australia need to wake up to themselves before they ruin V8's altogether.


I don't know so much about Ford funding the cars I think they are a part sponsor that doesn't mean they are total funded by Ford.

Its going to be a shame that Ford will be with drawing from V8's that's basicly what they are doing with this stupidly.

Ford had given little on no consideration to the Ford fans with this move, it surprises me.

2010 its going to be an interesting year by the look with the x Ford team changing to Holden, we could be seeing the final breath of the old blue oval and v8 racing.

[Martin_D]

As to V8 Supercars stepping in to stop teams changing their vehicles that's unexceptible a team has the right to choose what ever make weather it be Holden or Ford, if the powers to be try to step in they will kill V8 racing that for sure and well will have to be content to watch rice burners buzzing around the track my god what a sobering though.
Ken.

Heres a more sobering thought. Does it really matter if one brand goes? Whether its got a Holden or Ford badge they are essentially the same car under the skin. Its only the drivers and the teams that differ :)

[hoon69]

I don't know so much about Ford funding the cars I think they are a part sponsor that doesn't mean they are total funded by Ford.

Its going to be a shame that Ford will be with drawing from V8's that's basicly what they are doing with this stupidly.

Ford had given little on no consideration to the Ford fans with this move, it surprises me.

2010 its going to be an interesting year by the look with the x Ford team changing to Holden, we could be seeing the final breath of the old blue oval and v8 racing.Ford sponsors them,they have a right to say what they like to see and expect i guess when them teams signed they knew this so maybe the teams should of sat down with their other sponsors first before signing on the doted line.

Ford is killing V8's by snobbing performing teams to back teams who have a close relationship to the brand,FPR are a perfect example,it also doesnt help that holden are feeling the pinch and buying out the catergory but hey ford did something similar but they took drivers who were struggling top 5's at best when they left,seems holden wants the top drivers and upcoming stars
i aint looking forward to 2010 Commodore cup is more exciting and a little more like our daily drivers and the way next year looks you may as well rename it that also.

[VY18s]

seems holden wants the top drivers and upcoming stars
.

What's wrong with this? Ford's loss is Holden's gain IMO.

All Holden are doing is building up their talent pool. If Ford are willing to sit on their ass, and not do anything then the series deserves to be the Commodore Cup as far as I'm concerned.

[hoon69]

What's wrong with this? Ford's loss is Holden's gain IMO.Nothing wrong with it in theory its doesnt mean its right either,did you come to watch V8supercars or Commodore Cup?

[VY18s]

I would rather see a 50/50 split with Holden, and Ford drivers, but it seems Holden cares about the V8s, and Ford doesn't.

[hoon69]

There's always been more holden teams then ford teams since i can remember,though most of those are back runners its always been holden who seem to have the upper hand,still i reckon there should be a rule of sorts saying the field must consist of a even amount of cars
Only way to sort out the Parity issue in this sport.

Ford does care or we wouldnt have ford sponsorships etc
it's just ford cant get off their high horse about the colour issue of cars
and holden are just paying alot more to see results,one seems to think its got it in the bag the other is spending to make that happen.

[VY18s]

Two wrongs don't make a right unfortunately. I do agree that there should be a rule stating that the field must be even however.

Also yeah there have been more Holden teams than Ford teams for years now.

[clubbie]

Obviously the "blue only" policy suits Ford (OZ) management as an excuse to cut back $$$$'s spent on racing because Ford US UK etc sure as fcuk run other colours in NASCAR/Nationwide (every colour under the sun except blue) and rallying (green/white).

Just a p!ss weak excuse by gutless Ford management in Australia.

[ACUZED]

maybe the ford teams can seek sponsorship with a taxi company, paint the thing yella and run it on lpg:jester:

prob be quicker hehe :rofl:its a business after all sponsors will go with who ever it benefits fpr if they valued castrol would in theory compromise???

[Tony66]

Who cares if there are less Fords in the V8 field?

I don't mind if it is all Holdens anyway.

I will still watch it. Go Holden! :goodjob: Suffer in yer jocks FORD!:flipoff:

[Irish]

If you worked for either Holden or Ford, and were now on reduced wages/facing redundancy/on half shifts. How would you feel about your company spending MILLIONS of dollars on racing? If you were a manager in either brand could you sleep at night whilst your workforce struggle to make ends meet and/or have an uncertain future.

If winning on sunday sells on monday, then why doesn't the Falcon outsell Commodore?

[GEN III]

If you worked for either Holden or Ford, and were now on reduced wages/facing redundancy/on half shifts. How would you feel about your company spending MILLIONS of dollars on racing? If you were a manager in either brand could you sleep at night whilst your workforce struggle to make ends meet and/or have an uncertain future.

If winning on sunday sells on monday, then why doesn't the Falcon outsell Commodore?


So True. Good too see this place isnt full of one eye'd bogans! :goodjob:

[clubbie]

If you worked for either Holden or Ford, and were now on reduced wages/facing redundancy/on half shifts. How would you feel about your company spending MILLIONS of dollars on racing? If you were a manager in either brand could you sleep at night whilst your workforce struggle to make ends meet and/or have an uncertain future.

If winning on sunday sells on monday, then why doesn't the Falcon outsell Commodore?

How very true....if only you were aware that sedan for sedan the Falcon outsold the Commodore for the first time in ages......unfortunately they do not have a wagon ATM. That is a huge turnaround coincidentally at the same time Ford are winning at the track.

Ford coined the phrase "Win on Sunday sell on Monday". Cheap marketing me thinks.

[EgoFG]

I thought the 'blue policy' was actually a 'not predominantly red' policy as applied to 888.

FPR are a different kettle of fish though, as they are the nearest thing to a factory team - so I would expect no less than the company colors there !

btw: I have seen vodafone in a blue logo, and one that is primarily silver with red.
I think the colour issues could have been worked out, but I think both parties were bloody minded about it.

[Irish]

How very true....if only you were aware that sedan for sedan the Falcon outsold the Commodore for the first time in ages......unfortunately they do not have a wagon ATM. That is a huge turnaround coincidentally at the same time Ford are winning at the track.

Ford coined the phrase "Win on Sunday sell on Monday". Cheap marketing me thinks.

Commodore as a whole has outsold the Falcon for many years now no matter what happened on the track. Last month the Commodore still outsold Falcon. Excluding utes and wagons isn't a true representation of the sales.

[SINISTER R8]

i dont understand how ford can tell castrol to change their colours. they are both sponsors of a race team, neither one can say the other must do this or that. and neither should the teams have to talk to the other sponsors about what colour they should be.
the amount of money that a sponsor puts into a team should just determine how much space they have on the car, not how much control they have over the team.

its fords fault that the teams are moving to Holden. and who knows, 2011 might have another one or two manufactures racing too, even the parity up a little.

[GEN III]

Hasn't Skaife written some new blueprint model or something just recently?

[Pav023]

Castrol is maintaining its sponsorship with FPR and increasing its sponsorship capacity with PMM in 2010


http://www.v8supercars.com.au/content/hero_news/november_2009/castrol_names_where_its_cash_goes/




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