3 year old cars - VESSV or VZClubsport?

[adventra_Truck]

Hi All

I am in the market for a $30k car, 3 years old, 50,000 clicks or less.

Looked at lots of iron, its come down to a VZ Clubsport or a VESS Vseries.

Approx same cost, clubbie has better brakes and prestige, SS is just a nicer looking car with a better interior.

Just want some honest feedback. Should be interesting.....

[calais190]

Hi All

I am in the market for a $30k car, 3 years old, 50,000 clicks or less.

Looked at lots of iron, its come down to a VZ Clubsport or a VESS Vseries.

Approx same cost, clubbie has better brakes and prestige, SS is just a nicer looking car with a better interior.

Just want some honest feedback. Should be interesting.....

Im usually one for a newer model over an older model, but in this case, a VZ clubbie has more power, better brakes, imo better exterior and interior, and it's an HSV...

[1111111]

After driving a VE SSV M6 60th anniversary model on the weekend,I would take the VE over the VZ,fantastic car.

[zeeute]

I would take the VE over the VZ. Look how much they invested into it mate :) Whats the purpose of the car? If your going to go crazy on it, maybe its worth getting the HSV so you get the bigger brakes?

[MickmeMate]

I have driven a VE SS which had a full pacemaker exhaust and honestly my VYII SS drives better and feels better to drive the only thing i like was the rip shift installed and really short clutch pedal.
I would go for the VZ clubbie mate.

[redvxr8clubby]

I guess one thing to consider also is cost of maintenance and insurance etc. I find the Clubby seems OK for insurance, but I would check and compare for both cars, another thing is cost of brakes for the HSV, as the SSV already has 19" wheels, I assume tyres will be no different. It comes down to your preference in the end. I was thinking you may get a R8 Clubby for the same money as the SSV - I was thinking you would be looking at high 30's for SSV/ R8. I would lean towards an R8 if budget allows. Otherwise I would say probably an SSV over a standard VZ Clubsport. Consider also a Senator if you are looking at autos.

[MickmeMate]

Good point you have to consider insurance servicing price reasale value and if you want to modify it which one already has some mods done.

[alpha1]

I have driven a VE SS which had a full pacemaker exhaust and honestly my VYII SS drives better and feels better to drive the only thing i like was the rip shift installed and really short clutch pedal.
I would go for the VZ clubbie mate.

Are you sure it was a VE.... VY SS drives better and feels better than the VE SS.?, :confused: we all have our own preferences but i just cant see how you could possibly compare the two, its like chalk and cheese.

[VZ_V8]

I have driven a VZ Maloo and a VE SSV ute, although they aren't a sedan the comparison is fair... Personally the handling on the VE is much much nicer.

But for me thats where it ends. I wouldn't think twice about taking a VZ Clubbie over a VE SSV.

[MickmeMate]

Seriously mate the VE felt big and fat like a tank i like the clutch and rip shift but power wise i was almost the same as my VYII SS i was so excited when i got in it i was waiting all day to drive it then i was just like...WHAT???? was very disapointed.

[VTR8Clubby]

I'd go the HSV for sure for the reasons calais190 posted and I believe it will also depreciate slower than the VE ss as well. Win/win as far as I'm concerned.

[cammm]

go the ve!! looks way better and in 2 years time is not gonna look ancient like the old vy/vz shape that has been around since 2002.

[plonkerchops]

go try the VE , I found the seats friggin terrible, Ive sat on better esky lids, and the plastics in the dash are just terrible, while it drives nice , the HSV will be far more comfortable if youre in the drivers seat for a good length of time

[iloveholden]

I love HSV's but i'd be buying an SSV or a VZ clubbie :) For many reasons already stated in this thread.

[Daves8]

I would buy the VZ clubsport.....

Your 30k will buy you much better everything, it just wont be as new or the latest....

I was faced with similar choice between VZ calais and the VE calais - i bought the VZ.....

[adventra_Truck]

Geez, talk about split down the middle :) I guess I will just have to go and drive them both.

The VESS is a dime a dozen, lots of them for sale both wholesale and retail, but the clubbie is a bit rarer. It may come down to having owned an Adventra and wanting a complete change......

See how we go, should be fun.

The car is to be used as a business car, needs to last me for 3 years driving short hop to work and Gold Coast to Brissy a couple of times a week.

I was looking at a Jeep Grand Cherokee and a Passat Diesel, but I think I am coming back to Holden..... F6 Typhoon was interesting as well but I cant find a good one for the money.

My Adventra was written of by one of my employees, T Boned at 60 KMH and the side airbag didnt go off. Wasnt happy, swore I wouldnt buy another Holden... Just realised, that was a VY, I think the VE is a much safer car??

[Excellent]

Geez, talk about split down the middle :) I guess I will just have to go and drive them both.

The VESS is a dime a dozen, lots of them for sale both wholesale and retail, but the clubbie is a bit rarer. It may come down to having owned an Adventra and wanting a complete change......

See how we go, should be fun.


It's a great topic and lots of great answers. The trouble is that each answer is so different because it's such an 'individual' question to ask.

I'm sure it will be a great thread, this one. :goodjob:

[Sime]

If you want to blend in with all the other SS (and SV6) owners then go for the SSV. If you want a car that will still demand admiration in 10 years time, then get the Clubby. Think about all the SS models gone by and the equivalent Clubsport and think about how they make you feel when you see one. I bet you don't even take a second look at the older SSs but still take a good look at the Clubbys. The VE SSV is a great looking car but in a couple years time it will be just another Commodore.

[GODSMACK]

If you want to blend in with all the other SS (and SV6) owners then go for the SSV. If you want a car that will still demand admiration in 10 years time, then get the Clubby. Think about all the SS models gone by and the equivalent Clubsport and think about how they make you feel when you see one. I bet you don't even take a second look at the older SSs but still take a good look at the Clubbys. The VE SSV is a great looking car but in a couple years time it will be just another Commodore.

LMFAO at 'a car that will still demand admiration in 10 years time'.. What a joke... :rofl:

Cars that demand that type of respect dont even fall in the HSV category.. (nor FPV for that matter)...

[Sime]

LMFAO at 'a car that will still demand admiration in 10 years time'.. What a joke... :rofl:

Cars that demand that type of respect dont even fall in the HSV category.. (nor FPV for that matter)...

Um... I think I said admiration, not respect. Perhaps I didn't word it properly. All I'm saying is a VT Clubsport still looks great today and a VT SS looks marginally better than a Berlina.

To me, the VE has already lost its wow factor. VZ Clubby hasn't. Each to their own as they say.

[GODSMACK]

Um... I think I said admiration, not respect. Perhaps I didn't word it properly. All I'm saying is a VT Clubsport still looks great today and a VT SS looks marginally better than a Berlina.

To me, the VE has already lost its wow factor. VZ Clubby hasn't. Each to their own as they say.

People driving VZ clubbies will advise to pick it over the VE, and vice versa.
My next door neighbour has the following:
VZ R8
VE Maloo
VE Clubsport
CV8Z x 2

Do i stare at his VZ moreso than i do his Maloo? F no, in fact i spend more time looking at his wife, and she drives a Kia.. :)

[Sime]

It doesn't matter then which one you get, as long as you have a hot chick like Godsmack's neighbour sitting in the passenger seat! :)

[redvxr8clubby]

go try the VE , I found the seats friggin terrible, Ive sat on better esky lids, and the plastics in the dash are just terrible, while it drives nice , the HSV will be far more comfortable if youre in the drivers seat for a good length of time

I would agree about the dash plastics, I recall seeing a used VE SS (06 or 07), had about 75,000 Km on it and the dash plastic had small scratches all over it.

[vz300]

Hey Godsmack stop looking at my wife or next time you want to borrow a screwdriver it will be a stick of dynamite. Seriously tho if you want to drive from the Gold Coast to Brisbane on a flat sheet of board buy the ve the seats are shithouse....... If you want to be an ass like everyone else buy the ve cause everyone has one, if you want to watch your 30 grand turn into 20 in 6 months time buy the ve or if you want a nice car that's had the depreciation taken out of it with performance everything by the clubby or even look at a vz senator....... 30k will get you either AND in my opinion they are a much much nicer car.

[adventra_Truck]

My only issue with the senator is that it is a 4 speed auto only. Are the HSV gearboxes any better than the 4 speed I had in my Adventra? It belonged in a tractor..... I spent the whole time driving it like a manual.

They are bloody nice to look at though....

Had a couple of complaints about the seats in a VE, are they crap?

[Tony_Montana78]

Before I bought my SSV I was in the same boat. VY/VZ HSV or new SS. I drove a heap of second hand HSVs but once I drove the new SS I much prefered the drive and the interior. Yes you will get more go fast bits and better brakes, but you will also pay more for insurance as well.

I dont know how many VZ's or SSVs you will find for $30k with so few KM's on them. My guess is you will pay more than that to get a good one.

The only other thing that steered me away from the second hand market was that I didnt want to buy a thrashed v8 and then spend a heap fixing it. At least by buying new I knew what I was getting.

Either way you will not be disappointed with either car - good luck!

[MickmeMate]

People driving VZ clubbies will advise to pick it over the VE, and vice versa.
My next door neighbour has the following:
VZ R8
VE Maloo
VE Clubsport
CV8Z x 2

Do i stare at his VZ moreso than i do his Maloo? F no, in fact i spend more time looking at his wife, and she drives a Kia.. :)

Hehehe.!!!

[Wonky]

Seriously mate the VE felt big and fat like a tank i like the clutch and rip shift but power wise i was almost the same as my VYII SS i was so excited when i got in it i was waiting all day to drive it then i was just like...WHAT???? was very disapointed.

WTF??? :shock: I'd say that was a case of building yourself up and ending up expecting something it could never deliver! I had 2 modified VZ SSs and have now had 2 SSVs (one sedan and now the ute) and there's no comparison in looks, handling and performance! My daughter also has a modified M6 VY2 SS so I know what they're like too, plus I also had a VY V8.

[schooski]

I was in the same situation 6 months ago VE SSV or VZ Clubsport... I decided on the VE SSV, Couldn't be happier.

[enemyss]

I just made the right choice. I purchased a vz clubbie r8 with less than 60k on the clock. Options were a ve calais v8 or ssv but the r8 drives really nice and more power and the car is more nimble. I sold my ve calais v6 for the clubsport.

Make the right choice you wont be disappointed. As for insurance Im paying 200 more for the HSV.

cHEERs

[FLANGE-SSV]

For around 1K the SSV will easily make more power than the VZ Clubsport - It's a completely redefined chassis - It's not a tarted up VX - It has modern refinements - It shows that you are not stuck in a time warp - A no brainer really..

[macca_779]

For around 1K the SSV will easily make more power than the VZ Clubsport - It's a completely redefined chassis - It's not a tarted up VX - It has modern refinements - It shows that you are not stuck in a time warp - A no brainer really..

You would be surprised. The LS2 is not given enough credit these days. You also have to remember that while you MAY get more power out of a VE's L98. You also need a lot more power to move around all the that extra weight to be comparable.

To the OP. Drive both cars and make your own mind up. Personally I would go the VZ. Sure its an older model but the extras you get with a HSV more than make up for it where it counts. Just sit in both and you'll quickly realise that the SS/V seats are absolute rubbish compared to the Coulson seats you get in a HSV.

[eldan89]

. Just sit in both and you'll quickly realise that the SS/V seats are absolute rubbish compared to the Coulson seats you get in a HSV.

To be honest, I found that the VT-VZ HSV seats kill all ve seats in terms of comfort and quality. I find the new HSV seats much too big and feel like I'm just sliding round between the bolsters.

[bigdogdazza]

Seriously mate the VE felt big and fat like a tank i like the clutch and rip shift but power wise i was almost the same as my VYII SS i was so excited when i got in it i was waiting all day to drive it then i was just like...WHAT???? was very disapointed.

Well either your vy has some mods done or I just dont understand how your vy ss is making the same power as the ve 6ltr? And IF the vy does have mods, how can the two be comparable? mmmm I thinks you may be a little biased eh?:rofl:
I have driven both stockers ss and yup there is definitely a difference....maybe its just me?

[AussieTone]

My last 3 cars have been a VY SS (Series 1), a 2006 VE SS and a 2008 VE SS Ute. In my opinion the VE leaves all earlier models for dead when it comes to quality of ride and technology. As you would have seen on here there is simply so much you can do to the VE and after 3 years people are still coming up with new things that can be done to them.

Can you pick up a 06 SSV for $30000. I've seen good quality, low km 06 VE SS going for more than that.

The only plus is the VZ HSV may hold its value slightly better in the years to come however even that is not certain as I think in a few years time the VZ Clubbie will be hard to sell for a decent price as people will prefer to get into a 06 VE clubbie instead.

My opinions only and not based on any fact just gut feeling and personal experience

Cheers

[macca33]

At the risk of offending many here - the VE SS / SS-V are a dime a dozen - I've never seen so many of the same car on the road - not to mention the fact that the SV6 is almost a carbon-copy of the SS anyway. Sure, you can buy different wheels, even some stripes, but they are all the same and the interiors are nothing to write home about, especially with the Atari gauges.

The HSV is a low-volume car, thus, is not as common and whether they are modified, or not, they always look 'different' and distinct in any crowd - people immediately recognise them as a performance car. The options are better and the interior / exterior styling is very good.

As for handling, well, I've driven some VE series Commodores and I'm still not overly impressed. Just because it is the 'newest thing,' doesn't immediately make it the 'best thing.'

So, to stand out from the crowd, buy the Z Clubby - you will not be disappointed.

cheers

[vz300]

At the risk of offending many here - the VE SS / SS-V are a dime a dozen - I've never seen so many of the same car on the road - not to mention the fact that the SV6 is almost a carbon-copy of the SS anyway. Sure, you can buy different wheels, even some stripes, but they are all the same and the interiors are nothing to write home about, especially with the Atari gauges.

The HSV is a low-volume car, thus, is not as common and whether they are modified, or not, they always look 'different' and distinct in any crowd - people immediately recognise them as a performance car. The options are better and the interior / exterior styling is very good.

As for handling, well, I've driven some VE series Commodores and I'm still not overly impressed. Just because it is the 'newest thing,' doesn't immediately make it the 'best thing.'

So, to stand out from the crowd, buy the Z Clubby - you will not be disappointed.

cheers


Great post MACCA at last someone here that does not follow the trends....... I was always told by the better model the year before ie the HSV before buying the latest and greatest. Like I said in my previous post the 30 grand you spend on the ss will turn into 20 grand in 6 months time. That wont be the same in the HSV.

[Mikey]

Well I have owned both but I can't compare apples to oranges as this thread is asking as both have been/are still HSV's. If you were to compare apples to apples, the HSV VE is light years ahead of its predecessor, no question!

What I will add (for what it is worth) is, I loved my VZ Clubsport and it was great around town and for long distance criusing with good fuel economy to match considering the engine/trans set up that it had. It was good for over 260 @ the rear wheels with headers and exhaust and tune only.

When it comes to the 4 speed auto, well I might just be lucky with autos, but it was absolutely fine for the 40.000 ks I drove mine for. (If I had it a again, I would tighten the line pressure a little more than the conservative tune I had in it back then though)

If you ended up buying a VZ Clubby as your final choice you would not be disappointed.

[surfwagon]

Myself I prefer the VZ size wise and in stock form the LS2 is one sweet engine.
But if you intend on modifying for more power then the L76/L98 has more potential with their bigger valve heads.
Also unless the clubby has the performance brake up grade, either 343 harrops or 350 AP's then you might as well get the SSV and add some decent brakes.
I looked at similar cars but between the VZ senator or a VE Calais V/V8 and went with the VZ and am in no way dissapointed with my choice.

[redvxr8clubby]

Just sit in both and you'll quickly realise that the SS/V seats are absolute rubbish compared to the Coulson seats you get in a HSV.

Coulsen seats are only in VT, VX, and VY I R8's. Standard Clubby's (VT to VZ)have the same seats as an SS, but with HSV trim/ logos on them. VY II and VZ R8's have toned down bolsters compared to the earlier R8's. AFAIK only the VT to VY are known as "Coulsen". Not having driven a VE SS for much more than a few minutes, I'll take your word on the VE seats.

[Turkhsv]

I'd go the VE.
I have a Clubby myself & love it.
but wouldn't not go for an older model car over a new 1.

[Mikey]

Coulsen seats are only in VT, VX, and VY I R8's. Standard Clubby's (VT to VZ)have the same seats as an SS, but with HSV trim/ logos on them. VY II and VZ R8's have toned down bolsters compared to the earlier R8's. AFAIK only the VT to VY are known as "Coulsen". Not having driven a VE SS for much more than a few minutes, I'll take your word on the VE seats.My seats in the VZ Clubby were only cloth and were fine. My seats in my VE E1 are also cloth and are also very comfy and probably are a little better than the VZ as well (maybe). If the E1 seats are the same as the VE SS but with HSV logos then I don't think that I would have any problem with VE SS seats either.

The best seats I have ever had for some reason were in my 04 VR Berlina, and after having leather in my VY SS and then two Clubbies with cloth since, they still are my favourite seats especially on long distances.

[macca_779]

Coulsen seats are only in VT, VX, and VY I R8's. Standard Clubby's (VT to VZ)have the same seats as an SS, but with HSV trim/ logos on them. VY II and VZ R8's have toned down bolsters compared to the earlier R8's. AFAIK only the VT to VY are known as "Coulsen". Not having driven a VE SS for much more than a few minutes, I'll take your word on the VE seats.

My Bad your right. O well sux for VZ doesn't it that my VT has vastly better seats. :rofl:

[toey]

vz r8 pro's
rare
good looking
nice interior
better brakes
more power in standard form
aftermarket sterio
hsv

vz r8 con's
higher insurance
older
no esp
genuine parts cost heaps

ve ssv pro's
newer
slightly more power potential
esp
better handleing

ve ssv con's
they are everywhere
the interior plastics
stuck with standard sterio
aftermarket parts cost more
weight
resale
looks same as ss/sv6


there is just a short comparison. if it was me id go the vz r8 hands down due to the fact that you dont see too many getting around comared to the ve ss/ssv/sv6.

[Drewie]

Not sure if it is an issue but, the VZ is the last of the line and should be nicely sorted out, no bugs to speak of, where the '06 VE is the first of the line and may have a few niggling issues, in a few more years the '06 VE will be looked upon as one of the early VE's which may have an effect on resale.
Sort of like now comparing a very early VT1 to a later VTII. Might be something to think about.

[Pickles]

I'd go the VZ Clubsport, but I'd make sure it was an R8...better brakes etc.
And yes, there's no initial depreciation to worry about. I don't have any problems with the A4, but then I don't do any motorsport etc. Plenty of people on here don't like the A6 either!
As you had an Adventura, what about another one....I reckon the LX8 is a great machine, or you could look out for an Avalanche!
Cheers, Pickles.

[RAVENLS1]

+1 VZ clubby
I dont even flinch an eye lid when i see a VE SS as there is so many and alot of them arnt even driven by car enthusiasts but a VZ Clubby will always grab my attention and make me stair.

[Jarhead]

Just a quick question - have you spoken to your accountant about the purchase? If it's for business use then you may be better off buying a new(er) car and write off some depreciation.

Also, if the budget will stretch to high $30'sK then you will find a VE R8 with around 80k on the clock.

[vzss05]

Also, if the budget will stretch to high $30'sK then you will find a VE R8 with around 80k on the clock.

Would love to know where you have seen them that cheap:confused:

[MickmeMate]

Just a quick question - have you spoken to your accountant about the purchase? If it's for business use then you may be better off buying a new(er) car and write off some depreciation.

Also, if the budget will stretch to high $30'sK then you will find a VE R8 with around 80k on the clock.

He clearly states 30K is the budget. Also if you find a VE R8 for that price let me know even with 80K on the clock.

[vz300]

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He clearly states 30K is the budget. Also if you find a VE R8 for that price let me know even with 80K on the clock.

http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?R=7814712&__sid=11FE779A2A00&__Qpb=true&Cr=0&__Ns=pCar_PriceSort_Decimal|1||pCar_RankSort_Int32 |1||pCar_Make_String|0||pCar_Model_String|0&keywords=&__N=1216%201246%201247%201252%201282%204294965530% 204294964634%20464%20415&PriceFrom=464&PriceTo=415&seot=1&tsrc=allcarhome&__Nne=15&trecs=47&silo=1011

[Jarhead]

Would love to know where you have seen them that cheap:confused:

Are you kidding? $39k is retail now in Holden dealerships. Has been for a year or so.

Zupps Mt Gravatt have advertised them numerously at that price. Eagers Newstead have too.

Given that you could have bought a VE 2009 runout for low $50k then what do you think a 3 yr old version with 80,000km is worth? Muppets!

When I go to trade mine in on a R8 wagon next year I won't be expecting more than $30k trade-in. Some people need to come to terms with the word DEPRECIATION!

[redvxr8clubby]

On Carsales there is only one at that price - an 06 with 111,000 K on it (red manual). I think mmid 40's is more typical, but the higher km ones (especially above 100,000Km, can be found around $40,000). No doubt trade sales will easily have at that price and presumably lower.

[smokey777]

ive had 3 VYs 2 V6s & 1 V8 before my VE SS i found the seats in the VY more comfy but i think its because they had better material (cloth no leather for me) but in terms of dynamics, quality & performance (but i went from autos to manual) the VE SS shits all over the VY even a tuned etc VY

my 2 cents

[fishla]

Like said...

Most VY/VZ owners are going to say go the VZ..........Most VE owners will say go the VE.

I say find some extra cash and get that VE R8 :)

[OMR346]

VZ R8 for sure. They are no where near as common as a VE SS/SSV, they look a million bucks, and they are not going to deprectiate as much as a VE SS/SSV.

Or maybe even look for a VZ Senator. They have all the extra comforts, plus the same power as the rest of the VZ HSV range.

Or, another option again... VZ SSZ. They are more rare then a VZ HSV (only 900ish made), they look sexy (im biased lol), and you could find one in the 6Ltr, so they also have the same potentil as the L98. You can pick them up for a decent price still. I paid $30k for my 05 SSZ last year, with 22,000kms on the clock, in mint condition.

[Swordie]

Hi All

I am in the market for a $30k car, 3 years old, 50,000 clicks or less.

Looked at lots of iron, its come down to a VZ Clubsport or a VESS Vseries.

Approx same cost, clubbie has better brakes and prestige, SS is just a nicer looking car with a better interior.

Just want some honest feedback. Should be interesting.....

Are there 3 year old VZ's with less than 50,000kms in your state under $30K?

[R8HSVHRT]

I recon Vz HSV over vessv thats my opinion

[dawkinsdisciple]

bought a SS V so obvious bias

had a mate with a VY clubbie (almost the same except for minor detail and extra kw's) i spent a bit of time driving it and he offered it to me for 21k took a VE ss for a drive and bought an SSv

so much nicer interior/exterior (personal thing i know)
handling and especially steering absolutely smears the VY
likewise power - the VZ's probably quicker but it wouldn't be by much
auto box - not sure if mines a good one but again, craps all over the ole 4 speeder - was looking for a manual but couldn't justify the premium

only thing i really dislike about it is the breaks really. and the a-pillars sometimes. rest of it's a freaking dream car to drive

a vy ss driving nicer? sorry mate, hate to bring up the old motoring journo line

"the VE has mashed it's antecedants into the hallowed halls of history where it belongs and that includes any HSV you care to name

might be just your opinion but it's a bit of a stretch... the VE feels so much lighter on i't feet then the VY/Z even my girlfriend commented on it after driving her sisters VZ SV6 that the car felt heavier, duller.

if you have mods planned, the cost of upgrading the brakes will be offset by the inferior chasis on the older cars

[adventra_Truck]

Thanks for the feedback, awesome info.

the redbook for a trade vessv auto is 24-27k and retail is 30-33k

Standard KM's is 45 - 75

I have found one for 33K with 50 kms in Brissy.

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That ve clubsport is v nice, a lot of KM's though.

I dont intend to do many mods to the car, I must admit if I got a ve Clubbie I wouldnt do a damn thing...

I also saw that you can get standard VESS from the public trustee auctions, ex cop cars. Has anyone ever bought an ex cop car? bit of a lucky dip I would think, but they only have 40k on the clock and a couple of years factory warranty. Any colour you want as long as its white :spew:

The VE HSV has held its value a lot better on redbook, wonder if it will go down now that they released a new one?

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Hmm.. going to look at avalanches now....

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I have certainly not spoken to my accountant about the purchase, last time I did that I ended up in an I30 diesel wagon.......

Like driving a fridge.....

With the extra 50% depreciation bonus on offer a new or demo car is tempting, but I think I save more by buying a good second hand one.

Maybe I am wrong?

[dawkinsdisciple]

I paid $27k a couple of months ago for a very well kept SS-V that had 90k freeway k's on it. couple of months later and it's 100k.

the reason I wasn't to worried about K's is that I'm not really convinced that they're that important. Iv'e seen around the clock taxis with some worn ball and uni joints do better then low k cars grinding through traffic

I owned a VR with low k's on it that was a pain in the ass. alternator, water pump, all the rubbers in the suspension and it didn't feel to strong compared to my old 300k VN - then I raced it with the guy I sold it to and they were neck and neck.

moral was I replaced at least as much with the VR as the VN. more even.

there's so many other variables then just K's. everyone gets so hung up on it and it's been a pretty poor marker in my experience. driver, traffic it's used in, maintenance, when the car was made in the week, model cycle etc.

[Tecca]

Go the VZ mate, you get the brakes that you will end up getting for the VE sooner or later. + like others have said it has the power to keep you happy :)

[Sime]

I've been thinking about the depreciation on the VE SSV vs the VZ Clubby. Technically the VE will drop quicker but I wonder if the VZ value will be dragged down by the VE. Today we're debating which one to get because they're roughly the same price. In 2 years time are we still going to be saying get the VZ because of .......? If the VE is $5,000 cheaper, it's going to be hard to sell a VZ maybe?

Regarding the samll business tax break, I did the sums on a $55,000 ex demo Clubby and if you factor in an average tax rate of 30% it works out you end up getting the car for around $43,000. That includes the GST refund. It doesn't take into account FBT. Car has to be bought in a company/trust also. Food for thought for those business owners out there!

[Angeldust]

im debating this option too. One day i want a vz clubby, the next a ve ss, and others i'm still real happy with my vy II ss...


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[MickmeMate]

I paid $27k a couple of months ago for a very well kept SS-V that had 90k freeway k's on it. couple of months later and it's 100k.

the reason I wasn't to worried about K's is that I'm not really convinced that they're that important. Iv'e seen around the clock taxis with some worn ball and uni joints do better then low k cars grinding through traffic

I owned a VR with low k's on it that was a pain in the ass. alternator, water pump, all the rubbers in the suspension and it didn't feel to strong compared to my old 300k VN - then I raced it with the guy I sold it to and they were neck and neck.

moral was I replaced at least as much with the VR as the VN. more even.

there's so many other variables then just K's. everyone gets so hung up on it and it's been a pretty poor marker in my experience. driver, traffic it's used in, maintenance, when the car was made in the week, model cycle etc.

Yeah mate i agree to a certain point km's dont matter to much especially if there highway k's but my VYII SS has almost 150,000 on the clock they were highway k's and the engine is still very strong i had it dynoed few months back when i got my OTR and Mafless tune done and stock it made 208.6rwkw.
Now i have read that particular model the series 2 is exactley that stock so it hasnt even budged 0.1 of a Kw!!

[duke5700]

Its strange, I find it very hard to appreciate the VE range of commodores as I am stepping out of something that is so very focused to my likes. 6 years with a car will do that to you. But if you take the VE for a longer drive and get it flowing, you find the mid corner grip is there, it feels stable etc etc. It is a better base car, but not necessarily a better overall car based on the models/budget you have. It will be a personal thing in the end but I do suggest if you can do an extended test drive and see how you feel.