Yamaha

[Stevieboy34]

MotoGp Champion = Yamaha M1
World Superbike Champion = Yamaha R1
World Supersport Champion = Yamaha R6
World Endurance Chanpion = Yamaha R1
British Superbike Champion = Yamaha R1

Not bad for a company thats losing huge amounts of money:bawl:

Fairly impressive:bow:

[VX2VESS]

Yes good effort that is...

might not of made the motogp one without Rossie, or Stoner if Stoner didn't get sick.. motogp seems to be very much rider skill than bike type, rossie has prooved that, so has Stoner but not for as long. rumour rossie might go Ducati next, Stoner and Rossie that would be hard to beat....

Motocross who won that ?

[Stevieboy34]

Yes good effort that is...

might not of made the motogp one without Rossie, or Stoner if Stoner didn't get sick.. motogp seems to be very much rider skill than bike type, rossie has prooved that, so has Stoner but not for as long. rumour rossie might go Ducati next, Stoner and Rossie that would be hard to beat....

Motocross who won that ?

Oh year I forgot about that!!! Bubba Stewart beat Reedy to the World Supercross title.

World Supercross = Yamaha YZF450 hehe

Not sure about the other, I dont follow them.
As for motogp I dont agree so much bud. Perdrosa wont win the title on that Honda, Honda really lack a great development rider which Rossi is, as is Stoner. The Yamaha is def the bike to be on as shown in the hands of Lorenzo and Rossi. Stoner is purely and simply a freak, put him on a Fiat Yamaha and he would not get beaton (only my opinion), my god they look nice to ride.

Look at every team mate Stoner has had on the 800, all great riders, all struggle, poven race and world championship winners but the bike is NO Where near the others and only Stoner seems to like it. I guess what I mean is Honda have 5 bikes out their and 4 are factory spec, they still wouldnt win much this year. The BIG thing for motogp is electronics.

Saying that, I reckon Motogp is FAR more exciting with Stoner around, he keeps them very honest... Pitty there are only 4 top guys, maybe Spies next year or some of the new rookies like Bautista or Simoncelli might liven it up?

Bring back 990's with limited electronics and control tyres I reckon. I miss the highsides and slides:smilesandbanana: :bow:

[VX2VESS]

Oh year I forgot about that!!! Bubba Stewart beat Reedy to the World Supercross title.

World Supercross = Yamaha YZF450 hehe

Not sure about the other, I dont follow them.
As for motogp I dont agree so much bud. Perdrosa wont win the title on that Honda, Honda really lack a great development rider which Rossi is, as is Stoner.
Isn't that where that theory falls down? Stoner develops the bike to win but no team mate can match him on what would be the same bike specs Stoner has developed to win, stoner is up front they are down the back.

rossie got a bit greedy for the title, his team mate was getting his development but then Rossie cut him off those details so he could win the title.

actually in Rossie case its probably also his Aussie mechanic/s, he takes them with him when he changes brands that helps him win.

Now Rossie, Stoner both on Ducatti and with aussie mechanics that would be interesting...

The Yamaha sure looks smoother to ride, it would be interesting to see how Stoner went on one in camparison to Rossie. although Stoner wouldn't have 2 years of riding one behind him. wonder if they could arrange an end of season publicity media thing just on this, a one off ride on the same bikes...

[blarks]

from what i understand is that he has already signed with yamaha and will decide in june 2010 where he will go from there

[Stevieboy34]

haha, Yeah i see your point, its just... Your wrong haha I'm joking. Trust me dude, there are 4 riders that can challenge for the wins on any day at the moment, but I believe only the Yamaha has the consistancy to be a world champ bike this year just gone.

Mate they will NEVER arrange a chance for them to ride each others bike, never. Rossi couldnt be pictured sitting on a Duc in Stoners pits let alone ride one.

Rossi is contracted for next year too, and word is Yamaha have already commenced talks to sign another two years it was revealed after Malaysia.

The other thing to remember is Rossi likes uncompetitive team mates (Edwards, Hayden). That was until Lorenzo came along. If Rossi DID ever go to Ducati (which I strongly dont think will happen) I can assure you he wouldnt go alongside Stoner.

This whole Rossi/Ducati thing has been drummed up by the Italian press because Rossi said he wouldnt rule out any manufacturer if the deal was right.
This is the same press that 2 weeks ago said Troy Bayliss was going to sign for Aprilia after a year off for 2010. Troy Bayliss said after Bathurst "if you listen to the European press your a d'head" hahaha.

Personally, I would LOVE to see Rossi in WSBK when he retires!

[gtr27]

Look at yamaha in Aus superbike, where our bikes are closer to street spec (only minor mods allowed).

Yamaha are like 5th and 6th......Honda and Suzuki battling it out for the lead.

When it boils down to it, All the major brands (sportsbike) can build a fast reliable bike. What makes them win is the rider, and if their style suits that particular bike. (i.e. i believe if someone has a Honda ride style and jumped on a yamaha, they wouldnt do as well, as the bike does not suit them as well).

Obviously there are freaks out there like rossi/stoner etc that can win on pretty much anything, but thats also because they have development skills, not just riding skill.

The team that puts the most money/support behind their riders are often as not the most likely to win (as generally they will pay for the best rider also).

[steve_t]

R6 is nice, but I still think I'll grab a ZX6R early next year. It's won HEAPS of supersport review awards :goodjob:

[Stevieboy34]

Look at yamaha in Aus superbike, where our bikes are closer to street spec (only minor mods allowed).

Yamaha are like 5th and 6th......Honda and Suzuki battling it out for the lead.

When it boils down to it, All the major brands (sportsbike) can build a fast reliable bike. What makes them win is the rider, and if their style suits that particular bike. (i.e. i believe if someone has a Honda ride style and jumped on a yamaha, they wouldnt do as well, as the bike does not suit them as well).

Obviously there are freaks out there like rossi/stoner etc that can win on pretty much anything, but thats also because they have development skills, not just riding skill.

The team that puts the most money/support behind their riders are often as not the most likely to win (as generally they will pay for the best rider also).

Your def right about them all building good bikes, and sometimes you like a certain style of bike for sure. But any of our top domestic riders could do well on any brand barring the Kawasaki... Mate the reason Yamaha are not quite as close as the Suzuki and Honda in our local series is the R1 isnt that great in stock trim as we race them over here. Make no mistake Ben Spies and Leon Camier's FIM Spec R1's are NOTHING like our boys ones... That R1 of Bens def has a different crank shaft, still big bang but not the same, the big bang bike is FAR from perfect as a race bike based on our rules. Both the Stauffer boys here are very fast riders, bugger the R1 is behind the 8Ball...

[gtr27]

The R1's not a big bang bike, as people are commonly mislead to believe, but a crossplane crank (ferrari use them in v8's which is why their v8's sound different to a "traditional" v8).

A big bang engine has two or more pistons firing at the same time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_bang_engine

As per that link, an R1 has an "uneven" firing order. A big bang 4 sounds like a twin. (new R1 is slightly different). It's actually the same firing order as a V4 engine (like a aprillia RSV4 or a honda VFR800)

Linky to a genuine big bang engine, which is just a regular 4cyl engine, with different cams, and ecu modified to suit firing order. the crank is actually the same as a normal 4 cyl where the two inner pistons rise together (and two outer rise together)
YouTube- Project Big Bang...

Different technologies, but they are trying to achieve the same thing though, which is allowing the tires to regain grip between firing strokes, to provide more drive traction on corner exit.

Generally a big bang engine will have issues like needing a 24V starter (having two cyls on compression stroke at the same time takes a lot to turn over) and will destroy gearboxes more easily (gearbox now has to cope with effectively 500cc worth of power from a 1000cc engine at any one time, as opposed to 250cc worth of power in a regular, or uneven firing interval).

Kawasaki I believe even had a big bang that had 3 cyl's fire at once, then 1, but as mentioned, it destroyed gearboxes.

Sorry for the long winded post, but it irks me that people call the R1 "big bang". probably, cause i want to see an actual big bang engine come to market (but not likely due to reliability issues). They do sound good though (like a v4!).

EDIT: PS, forums aren't good for conveying emotions etc, i'm not having a dig at you, rather informing people of what is and isn't technically correct :)