Looks like a mock up to me [Archive] - Australian LS1 and Holden Forums

Louie_D

13-11-2009, 08:08 PM

Thats not a genuine vx ss as far as im concerned. Its got vt series 1 seats, cluster, s pac front lights, aftermarket side skirts. Correct me if im wrong but thats pretty damn dodgy :flipoff:.

http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Holden-Commodore-VX-SS-Genuine-BT1-360kw-HSV_W0QQitemZ320443658267QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car s?hash=item4a9bee301b

Number55

13-11-2009, 08:27 PM

The dodgiest part is the bumper strips on the side. The biggest dead giveaway for mock up HSVs and SS's.......

HEXEM

13-11-2009, 08:48 PM

I agree, very dodgy.

The Seats are VT series 1 SS, The pattern on them cam out in that series.

The side skirts and rear bumper (apart from the the red reflectors) are from the VT Series 1 and 2, VT SS and S pac were alot different.

The instrument cluster is definately not VX SS. The VX SS had italic style numbering. The VX SS also had like a silvery colour trim surrounding the dash and centre console etc etc...

When they give the spec of the car stating it had 225/60/15 wheels etc they are wrong there... They were the standard fitment to the VT II executive with the 5.7ltr. The list goes on.. I'd say it probably a VT S2 executive with the 5.7ltr done up...

It probably should be reported to ebay. Hell I might send the seller a msg and tell him he's dreamin....

VNV8

13-11-2009, 09:15 PM

high mount stop light (aswell as spoiler LEDs) gave it away for me. seats are wrong too they're from a series 1 VT SS (totally different SS logo and pattern). the dash fascia should be silver as stated above, oh and the letter from Holden doesnt say it's an SS !!!

WLDLS1

13-11-2009, 09:25 PM

its probably a stolen and recovered vt 5.7 exec and they tried to mock it up as a ss or it might have been a vx exec. who knows.

motomk

13-11-2009, 10:32 PM

VX exec police car.

Lunchbox

13-11-2009, 11:06 PM

Whoever buys it might also wanna check out the condition of the running gear. It's somehow loosing 100kW through the driveline!!:rofl:

Cheers, Lunchbox

macca33

13-11-2009, 11:13 PM

VX exec police car.
:yup:

cheers

Louie_D

14-11-2009, 12:59 AM

I might drive my ss down to check it out on the weekend, just to show him how much of a crap con artist he is.

macca_779

14-11-2009, 01:09 AM

VX exec police car.

Yep just looks like a normal chaser to me. Nothing there to contradict otherwise.

vzss05

14-11-2009, 06:56 AM

Wow 360kw = 260rwkw, :rofl:

What a tool, or maybe since my car has the same rwkw I can now brag I have 360kw LOL

csv rulz

14-11-2009, 07:50 AM

just looks like an x cop car. prob a VX Exec V8 and he has put bits a pieces on it to make it look better.

Ryan1982

14-11-2009, 08:39 AM

possibily a "S pac" with factory gen 3... seats and badges changed

matls1

14-11-2009, 09:22 AM

cant someone just run the VIN if it is the right VIN that is, Should tell you straight away

cheers Matt

planetdavo

14-11-2009, 09:47 AM

cant someone just run the VIN if it is the right VIN that is, Should tell you straight away

cheers Matt

And stop everyone making their wild, baseless accusations? :lmao:
It is a series 1 VX V8 by VIN. I can tell that just looking at the VIN already.

ls2GTS

14-11-2009, 10:44 AM

planetdavo

14-11-2009, 11:35 AM

One of the forum experts responsible?
"SOMEONE POINTED OUT OUT TO ME THAT THE INTERIOR IS FROM A VT SS, AND YES IT IS I SWAPPED INTERIORS AS THE OLD ONE WAS NOT IN THE BEST CONDITION AND DID NOT NOTICE THEY WERE DIFFERENT, ALSO THE DASH AND THE BODY KIT ARE NOT STANDARD VX SS, IF YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH ON VX X COP CARS THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES
(as i stated above).
THANKS"
312 feedbacks at 100%. As per usual, people have jumped on the bandwagon and slagged him off as a suspect seller. I don't believe he is. How many people on here have a variety of different parts fitted to their car? :)

Chappy

14-11-2009, 12:00 PM

:yup:

cheers
Macca just to side track here for a minute mate, if a vehivle say had 300kw and was auto what might the rwkw be?

I was told once to work on around the 23% for an auto and 18% for manual but that could be wrong I wouldn't know.

Thanks
Ken.

macca33

14-11-2009, 12:51 PM

Chappy, I simply do not know - I don't subscribe to the 'constant' percentages, as it would mean that a 300fwkw engine making, say 20% less through the driveline, would make 240rwkw (a derived loss of 60kw).

Now, if you upped the ante and put a nice, cammed LS3 that made 380fwkw into the same car, should that mean that the car would lose 76kw through the same driveline and become 304rwkw, when the 20% constant is used?

I would expect the driveline losses to be the same, well, within very close proximity to one another and not be dependent upon the engine output, per se.

My opinion is that the driveline loss would best be described as a nett loss, not a percentage, however, that is very difficult to measure - it would mean an engine dyno, then a chassis dyno, to be exact.

I 'spose the percentages can be used as a guide and I reckon they are a rough one that would put you in the ballpark, but the accuracy could be contentious.

cheers

TUFFIE

14-11-2009, 01:57 PM

Yep just looks like a normal chaser to me. Nothing there to contradict otherwise.

NO, no way an ex chaser in in way shape or form, dash is wrong, speedo dial is wrong and the headlights are s pac lights, SS had the black surrounds. and there were no Exec Chasers built (to my knowledge anyway)

FAKE :flipoff:

---------- Post added at 02:57 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:53 PM ----------

One of the forum experts responsible?
"SOMEONE POINTED OUT OUT TO ME THAT THE INTERIOR IS FROM A VT SS, AND YES IT IS I SWAPPED INTERIORS AS THE OLD ONE WAS NOT IN THE BEST CONDITION AND DID NOT NOTICE THEY WERE DIFFERENT, ALSO THE DASH AND THE BODY KIT ARE NOT STANDARD VX SS, IF YOU DO YOUR RESEARCH ON VX X COP CARS THERE ARE SOME DIFFERENCES
(as i stated above).
THANKS"
312 feedbacks at 100%. As per usual, people have jumped on the bandwagon and slagged him off as a suspect seller. I don't believe he is. How many people on here have a variety of different parts fitted to their car? :)

Suspect as, selling it as an ex BT1???? come on man, are you just defending him for the sake of it? or based on facts??

I think i may know a thing or two about BT1 as they call em...

So let me get this right, he's changed interior, dash, added spoiler, changed the headlights. Yup genuine vx SS?????? WTF man....

motomk

14-11-2009, 02:10 PM

NO, no way an ex chaser in in way shape or form, dash is wrong, speedo dial is wrong and the headlights are s pac lights, SS had the black surrounds. and there were no Exec Chasers built (to my knowledge anyway)

FAKE :flipoff:

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Suspect as, selling it as an ex BT1???? come on man, are you just defending him for the sake of it? or based on facts??

I think i may know a thing or two about BT1 as they call em...

So let me get this right, he's changed interior, dash, added spoiler, changed the headlights. Yup genuine vx SS?????? WTF man....

I would say planetdavo would have fact on his side here.
Maybe not Victoria, it is probably from another state initially. Look at the bit of paper he has there, that explains it or has the Vin on it.
An VX Exec LS1 police car with a VX SS bodykit + wheels, a different dash and different seats.
Don't see too much wrong with the ad. Not as bad as some I have seen on there.

TUFFIE

14-11-2009, 02:13 PM

I would say planetdavo would have fact on his side here.
Maybe not Victoria, it is probably from another state initially. Look at the bit of paper he has there, that explains it or has the Vin on it.
An VX Exec LS1 police car with a VX SS bodykit + wheels, a different dash and different seats.
Don't see too much wrong with the ad. Not as bad as some I have seen on there or some of the users whilst I am at it.

LOL as for the P- CAR have a look at any sedan build plate has P-CAR which means Passenger car...:eyes:
Please anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong.

planetdavo

14-11-2009, 02:17 PM

LOL as for the P- CAR have a look at any sedan build plate has P-CAR which means Passenger car...:eyes:
Please anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
So what?
All some of you have done is point out that you know more than him about the car he is selling. That hardly makes him a suspect seller...:rolleyes:
As soon as someone pointed out this fact, he changed his ad. Really, what's the problem?
Christ, my Monaro has got CV8-R taillights and wheels, and AP Racing brakes, so it's nowhere near as built. If I put that on ebay and failed to mention it, with my 434 feedback at 100%, would I be "suspect" too? :confused:
(no offence intended tuffie)

TUFFIE

14-11-2009, 02:20 PM

So what?
All some of you have done is point out that you know more than him about the car he is selling. That hardly makes him a suspect seller...:rolleyes:
As soon as someone pointed out this fact, he changed his ad. Really, what's the problem?

Wellll there you go.....its called a difference of opinion....live with it.:goodjob:

Noo offence taken what so ever..

Brandonsdad

14-11-2009, 11:03 PM

I would say planetdavo would have fact on his side here.
Maybe not Victoria, it is probably from another state initially. Look at the bit of paper he has there, that explains it or has the Vin on it.
An VX Exec LS1 police car with a VX SS bodykit + wheels, a different dash and different seats.
Don't see too much wrong with the ad. Not as bad as some I have seen on there.

That bit of paper also has a 2001 VX commy on it.

Its advertised as a 2000 VX SS.

planetdavo

15-11-2009, 07:47 AM

That bit of paper also has a 2001 VX commy on it.
Its advertised as a 2000 VX SS.

Probably a late 2000 build, but the 1 in F1L of the VIN identifies it as a 2001 model year, which is what Holden calls it. Same thing is happening at the moment, with people telling the forum about their MY10 VE's, but we are still in 2009.

Louie_D

15-11-2009, 10:33 AM

I reckon if it was an SS the paper would state its an SS. And what ever model it is, its pretty suss concidering i cannot find many VX SS trims on that car from interior to exterior. I guess we all have different specs and who ever decided to modify that car had very different specs as to how i would do it, fair enough. A mate of mine has an ex chaser and it was exactly like mine, theres no obvious difference in them. I dont think chasers have any obvious differences in them at all. I could be wrong but thats what i believe.

planetdavo

15-11-2009, 10:38 AM

Well, it looks like I'm going to have to load this VIN at work tomorrow, just to settle all the innuendo down.

Brandonsdad

15-11-2009, 01:24 PM

Well, it looks like I'm going to have to load this VIN at work tomorrow, just to settle all the innuendo down.

Sounds like a good idea.

Im tipping its a VX Exec Ex cop car.

Im also tipping it came out in black. Hehe.

wanabtuff

15-11-2009, 03:55 PM

my vx ss had blacked out chrome in the headlights, not what the car advertised has (all chrome), I thought all SS models in vx had black?

planetdavo

15-11-2009, 04:10 PM

my vx ss had blacked out chrome in the headlights, not what the car advertised has (all chrome), I thought all SS models in vx had black?

I think we all agree it is not a "standard" regular issue VX SS. It depends on what it ends up having started as, being an ex police interceptor, with other parts changed since.

whitels1ss

15-11-2009, 04:21 PM

I think we all agree it is not a "standard" regular issue VX SS. It depends on what it ends up having started as, being an ex police interceptor, with other parts changed since.

Prob. a cut and shut or stolen and recovered, repairable write-off that's had a backyard re-build that's body shell came out of the factory as an interceptor?
:nyuk::nyuk::nyuk::nyuk::nyuk::nyuk:

planetdavo

15-11-2009, 04:24 PM

Prob. a cut and shut or stolen and recovered, repairable write-off that's had a backyard re-build that's body shell came out of the factory as an interceptor?
:nyuk::nyuk::nyuk::nyuk::nyuk::nyuk:
:lmao:
I've sent the VIN to my work email, so I'll know more tomorrow.

seedyrom

15-11-2009, 04:30 PM

planetdavo

15-11-2009, 04:36 PM

Spider

15-11-2009, 04:39 PM

It's a torana thats been turned into a vx.

Brandonsdad

16-11-2009, 05:16 PM

I've got a VT-II Calais. I've spent thousands to turn it into a VX-II Calais.
I challenge anyone to pick it on parts alone. In fact, i'll wager a gorilla or ten on it.

A 10 year old car can differentiate from the way it left the factory.

Deal with it, or move on.

CSI Australia has left the building

Its just the fact that somebody MAY be trying to offload just a run of the mill ex cop car, as an SS.
Obviously the thread starter thought it was shonky and some others agree. Some dont agree though, but theyre not getting bashed around the ears about it are they.
Its just like you advertising your mocked up VT as a VX, when it isnt.
Imagine spending thousands of dollars on a Rolex, only to find out youve got a fake. It would leave you feeling a bit green in the face I reckon.

Anyway, Im sure Davo is about to put it to rest once and for all. If its a fake, then hopefully some poor unsuspecting bugger finds out before they buy it, and if its a genuine VX that came out with everything inside and out looking like a VT, then good luck to the seller.

By the way, you wanna buy a cheap Rolex for 500 bucks. Its genuine I tell ya.;)

Also Seedy, when you want to update to the VF, let me know and I'll sell you my VE.
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It's a torana thats been turned into a vx.

Haha, best reply so far.:)

planetdavo

16-11-2009, 07:53 PM

Its just the fact that somebody MAY be trying to offload just a run of the mill ex cop car, as an SS.

Anyway, Im sure Davo is about to put it to rest once and for all.

:yup:
(but suspect the arguments will start all over again mate...:hide:)

Car is a VX Executive V8 auto 2001 model year with 9C1 Police Pack.
So, yes, it is a mock up of an SS, but 9C1 does share a fair bit in common with SS. Whether you see that as a big issue or not depends on whether you are someone actually interested in the car or not!!!!!! If the price is fair for an ex intercepter with SS additions and a power up is far more important in my mind than whether it's actually an SS or not.
Most people glam up their ads a bit. He did spend more time telling everyone it was an ex intercepter than it being an SS in my mind.

whitels1ss

16-11-2009, 08:42 PM

:yup:
(but suspect the arguments will start all over again mate...:hide:)

Car is a VX Executive V8 auto 2001 model year with 9C1 Police Pack.
So, yes, it is a mock up of an SS, but 9C1 does share a fair bit in common with SS. Whether you see that as a big issue or not depends on whether you are someone actually interested in the car or not!!!!!! If the price is fair for an ex intercepter with SS additions and a power up is far more important in my mind than whether it's actually an SS or not.
Most people glam up their ads a bit. He did spend more time telling everyone it was an ex intercepter than it being an SS in my mind.

Good work Dave, and now perhaps all these good people will be able to sleep tonight! :goodjob:

CSI Australia has left the building

Let's hope so!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::closed:

TUFFIE

16-11-2009, 11:10 PM

So for all intensive purposes its a FAKE....

planetdavo

17-11-2009, 06:27 AM

I'm going to add my final comments to this subject.
I recommend anyone who cares to go back and have a PROPER read of the ad, and form your own opinion of just how much this is being "passed off" as an SS, and how much it is being advertised as an ex police car.
After doing that, do a search on just about any part that will fit a Commodore of some form, then see just how much of those include the words "HSV" somewhere in the description.
I think that will put it into perspective for (just about) everyone...:)

Brandonsdad

17-11-2009, 03:23 PM

Good work Dave, and now perhaps all these good people will be able to sleep tonight! :goodjob:

Let's hope so!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::closed:

I was already in bed by that time, so had to wait until now.

What a relief.