HSV configuration from Holden

[simon.w]

Passed a semi load of Holdens on the way to HSV, sporting the tell-tale yellow steel wheels, HSV front guards and grey bumpers.

I've always wondered ... Do HSV send the bits they don't use back to Holden to be fitted to the next batch of HSV's ... or do they get recycled or sold?

I know someone said that when they did the W427 that the cars were supplied with LS2's which where pulled out and sold. There was a steady stream of LS2's on Ebay at the time, which makes sense.

But what about the bumpers for example? Are they the real deal minus paint? These this morning were G8-style ... to fit with the bonnet on the E2. What happens to them now?

And what bits are installed at the factory by Holden? Brakes? Diff Centre? Suspension? Trim? Tail lights?

Apart from the double-up cost of parts, it seems like an inefficient way of assembling a car.

Would love to get a take on it from someone in the know.

[VX2VESS]

bumpers etc are sold to place like holmart etc who sell them cheap to us.

same for the brakes etc they take off the cars, well at least they used to do that, not 100% they still do..

seem it would be easier to fit the brakes etc at holden and have no bumper bars on the cars on seats, or just a dummy drivers seat.

i guess they are just buying cars off holden complete, they don't get special exceptions

[simon.w]

bumpers etc are sold to place like holmart etc who sell them cheap to us.

I know they also sell stuff to NVU who sell it on the web.

[SHANESVZSS]

when they did the w427 , they originaly came with the LS3 (not LS2) than replaced with LS7..

[Marco]

Does that mean that W427s have mismatched engine numbers compared with their Holden build plates?

[Ryzz]

Does that mean that W427s have mismatched engine numbers compared with their Holden build plates?

I dont think they have a Holden Built plate, only a HSV built plate.

The parts are all offloaded to auction houses, holmart, nvu, etc. The parts are not fitted on the Holden production line as its too hard to intergrate the work into the Holden production line for the small volume that HSV require. Instead the cars come with basic parts to HSV, they get stripped out and the HSV Good gear put in in its place.

[simon.w]

when they did the w427 , they originaly came with the LS3 (not LS2) than replaced with LS7..

I thought they used up the last of the LS2's in them because they knew they'd be pulling them out anyway.

[SHANESVZSS]

I thought they used up the last of the LS2's in them because they knew they'd be pulling them out anyway.

Nope definatly started with the LS3 , thats how i got mine :)

[simon.w]

Nope definatly started with the LS3 , thats how i got mine :)

cool ... amazing to think they pulled out perfectly good LS3's and flogged them off. Still ... given their bulk-factory purchase price and what they would have sold them for, I doubt that they would have lost any $.

So I wonder where all the LS2's on ebay came from. Maybe that's how they moved into the LS3 quicker ... or maybe someone just brought in a container of crate motors?

[the mooch]

hi guys, i haven't posted for a while, but i think i can shed some light on this topic. the cars sent to HSV have some parts fitted on line; engine, driveline, interior trim, including seats and instruments. these items are integrated into the build process. the bumpers are a G8 bumper that are moulded in the Plastics plant. they are typically a bumper that have moulding defects in them, so i seriously doubt they are suitable for the second hand market at all. in fact, if memory serves me correct, depending on whether the mould shop has run the G8 part, those bumpers get sent back to the factory for refitting to more HSV's. they do this to avoid transport damage. it's easier to change a throwaway bumper than a new radiaitor/bonnet,front guard etc.... you get the picture. the cars must leave the factory in a drivable state. this also dictates the fitment of bumpers (more of a bullshit insurance issue than anything). apart from that all the other good bits get fitted interstate. so it really is a bit of both doing the work. oh, exhausts are standard, too. as for what happens to the parts after HSV removes them, well, as far as the factory is concerned they are seconhand parts, as they have been fitted to a car already, so they probably do get sold off!

[simon.w]

hi guys, i haven't posted for a while, but i think i can shed some light on this topic. the cars sent to HSV have some parts fitted on line; engine, driveline, interior trim, including seats and instruments. these items are integrated into the build process. the bumpers are a G8 bumper that are moulded in the Plastics plant. they are typically a bumper that have moulding defects in them, so i seriously doubt they are suitable for the second hand market at all. in fact, if memory serves me correct, depending on whether the mould shop has run the G8 part, those bumpers get sent back to the factory for refitting to more HSV's. they do this to avoid transport damage. it's easier to change a throwaway bumper than a new radiaitor/bonnet,front guard etc.... you get the picture. the cars must leave the factory in a drivable state. this also dictates the fitment of bumpers (more of a bullshit insurance issue than anything). apart from that all the other good bits get fitted interstate. so it really is a bit of both doing the work. oh, exhausts are standard, too. as for what happens to the parts after HSV removes them, well, as far as the factory is concerned they are seconhand parts, as they have been fitted to a car already, so they probably do get sold off!

Thanks mooch ... appreciate you taking the time to answer ... it's something I have wondered about every time I have seen a truck load of them on their way to a better life.

[planetdavo]

No parts removed from any cars are refitted to any new cars on the production line for retail sale.
These parts were previously surplus sold to NVU/Holmart etc. This is ending. Holden are progressively offering these parts direct to dealers for selling to the public/trade. This has already started with wheels and tyres, plus steering wheels and shifters. It will soon expand into most other surplus lines.
Re the W427 question, the cars have a VIN of a car built with an LS3. Loading up a VIN in EPC shows them built with an LS3, but with option code W9P, meaning tier 2 HSV conversion (W427). This is so because HSV removed the Holden installed engine, which is the information we list, including original engine number. All VE HSV's are also listed as built with 16 inch steel rims.

[Wayne@GM Motorsport]

Guys, you should organise a factory tour of HSV, its pretty cool, we did it a few years back, they show you all around and explain how they receive the cars and what the take off put on etc and what the do with the used parts "sold off in lots" you can put in a tender.. many please bid on the tender like NVU, Holmart, lots of the bigger parts Holden dealers etc.

The tour is well doing... if the still do them

[SVNLTR]

No parts removed from any cars are refitted to any new cars on the production line for retail sale.
These parts were previously surplus sold to NVU/Holmart etc. This is ending. Holden are progressively offering these parts direct to dealers for selling to the public/trade. This has already started with wheels and tyres, plus steering wheels and shifters. It will soon expand into most other surplus lines.
Re the W427 question, the cars have a VIN of a car built with an LS3. Loading up a VIN in EPC shows them built with an LS3, but with option code W9P, meaning tier 2 HSV conversion (W427). This is so because HSV removed the Holden installed engine, which is the information we list, including original engine number. All VE HSV's are also listed as built with 16 inch steel rims.

Davo do you know when the effect of surplus stuff will be to the dealers only

I been hearing this for a while now?

as always hearing is cheap......and sometimes a load of bull..........

[bok1]

we were told that the hsv factory tours are no longer allowed.


phil

[planetdavo]

Davo do you know when the effect of surplus stuff will be to the dealers only

I been hearing this for a while now?

as always hearing is cheap......and sometimes a load of bull..........

It's happening, and as described above, has already started with part of the range. The remainder is to follow in the near future.
Not every dealer will keep stuff. We all receive a bulletin roughly once a week with what is available, if a dealer is quick enough, they will get stock within a few days.

[simon.w]

This is great info ... thanks everyone.

Davo the build numbers reminds me of a LC GTR torana a mate of mine had that had "prime" on the plates. This apparently meant that it had been built for Holden sponsored racing .. had gone off and done some track work, and then gone back to Elizabeth where it was cleaned up and sprayed in primer, ready to be sold off to other racing teams.

[jonohoang]

Hey guys, i found this PDF on the HSV site which does explain alot of things.
(sorry cannot post link becase i havnt posted enough on the site"

This might explain what the OP was asking. Quote from the docutment:

"Harry’s car looked quite weird coming out of the
Holden plant, with many recyclable components
installed by Holden to make the car fully roadworthy
before it drove out the factory door. Returnable items
including skinny wheels and tyres, dummy front and
rear fascias and dummy front fender vents would all
be taken off the car at Clayton and returned to
Holden in Adelaide for re-use on another new HSV."

[moconn20]

Hey guys, i found this PDF on the HSV site which does explain alot of things.
(sorry cannot post link becase i havnt posted enough on the site"

This might explain what the OP was asking. Quote from the docutment:

"Harry’s car looked quite weird coming out of the
Holden plant, with many recyclable components
installed by Holden to make the car fully roadworthy
before it drove out the factory door. Returnable items
including skinny wheels and tyres, dummy front and
rear fascias and dummy front fender vents would all
be taken off the car at Clayton and returned to
Holden in Adelaide for re-use on another new HSV."

Where exactly on the HSV website did you find that? thats seems to contradict what PD has said.

[planetdavo]

Where exactly on the HSV website did you find that? thats seems to contradict what PD has said.

Not really. It's all in the wording.
Parts may be returned to Adelaide to allow another unfinished E2 to make the trip to Clayton. No parts are refitted to cars that get sold to customers. The re-used parts are only for transportation purposes. Everyone else goes surplus.
Hope that makes sense to everyone. :)

[surfwagon]

So I wonder where all the LS2's on ebay came from. Maybe that's how they moved into the LS3 quicker ... or maybe someone just brought in a container of crate motors?

Most of the LS2's you see on ebay are the US version as they have different waterpump pulley and different exhausts manifolds to ours.