f*cking telstra

[throttlehappy]

im about to get the keys to our new house so i got the phone connected yesterday and went to get the net hooked up today drooling at the thought of adsl2 in my own joint only to find out adsl is available! we've built in a new estate which apparently has a rim exchange setup (mini exchange in the estate) and is limited to adsl only, so i max speed of 8mb a sec....:1peek:

to say im pi$$ed is an understatement, not only that but i will only be able to have access to adsl if there is a port open :flipoff:

how does telstra get away with this sub standard cr*p?
have to wait a couple of days to find out from the local ip

mega pi$$ed

[duke5700]

Exactly the same in Canberra. All new estates are lucky to get 85-120kb real world kb/sec download.

Welcome to privatisation... why spend money on infrastructure and earn less return? Internode ADSL2 plans are cheaper than the ADSL1 stuff...... Telstra just ream everybody as they have the monopoly.

[Nidz]

Haha damn hey.. Telstra don't play the game, they own it..

[S2VYSS]

Its just the internet guys, not the end of the world

:hide:

[duke5700]

Its just the internet guys, not the end of the world

:hide:

I like my porn in HD and extra fast :hide:

[S2VYSS]

Wait there is porn on the internet? I thought the internet was just for forums? :confused:

[throttlehappy]

I like my porn in HD and extra fast :hide:

and i like hardcore gaming

[ryno]

its pretty shite.. Im in a new estate that fortunatly has ADSL2+ but....it doesn't mean squat because the linework is shite and the static on the phone line gives me constant drop outs.. They fix it, it breaks again.. My ADSL1 had a better connection and a higher rate..!!

[Roonstain]

i live in a fairly large suburb in wollongong, and I cannot even get ADSL!!!!!!!!!!! You are lucky mate!

[throttlehappy]

i live in a fairly large suburb in wollongong, and I cannot even get ADSL!!!!!!!!!!! You are lucky mate!

its a friggen joke

[duke5700]

and i like hardcore gaming

Yeah I don't have to many troubles with MW2 etc

YouTube- The Internet is for porn avenue Q original - Video

[LooneyR8]

Thats why I havent moved to ADSL2+ especially since the new plans for Telstra Cable include a 30meg down and 10meg up connection using a Cisco router....

Should keep me happy for a bit.

[Party Pete]

Same here. It sucks and there is no answer. I had to sign up with Telstra several years ago to even be able to get ADSL1 as that was the only way I could get them to reconfigure the lines to do that. Before that I had dial up at the massive speed of 28k. Although the new fibre network will be faster (if it ever happens) it will be years before Adelaide will get it. I imagine that wireless will be offering better speeds before that ever happens here. So, I hate Telstra too.

[Wazza]

Thing is with this govt broadband network coming out, telstra give no fark for installing better infrastructure in new estates, where it will potentially not earn them much money for the next couple of years and then basically be un-used or under-used. With the new govt network where it will be fiber to the home, you can run basically everything over fiber (phone, broadband, free to air and pay TV etc) their existing copper network will be basically worthless.

There are some new estates where the developers have a "smart community" fiber install, I believe the costs are basically split between all home buyers, and you're basically forced to use it in atleast some degree - no other way to get a phone/tv service (fairly sure they don't allow external antennas to be installed on the roof, though I suppose you could have an in-roof antenna for free to air) and only non-fiber internet available would be wireless.

[WKGrange]

This is no excuse for Telstra but I don't see any other Telco providing infrastructure. Telstra are not the only Telco in Australia (we have competition) why can't they spend some money for a change.

[goofafidamedes]

Start blowing up their shight.

Faulty DSLAMS and substandard equipment has a nasty habit of being replaced when confronted with severe voltage heading in the opposite direction. :jester:

[Rub]

It's cheaper for Telstra to roll out RIM's or "Mini-exchanges" rather than upgrading the exchanges in your area.

Same has happened to me out in the western suburbs.

If you are on a RIM Distribution area, you will be lucky if you can get an ADSL port.

Most places only have a 1:2 raio of ports on RIM's which means 50% of people miss out..

[wally01]

We are on a Rim(NEW ESTATE) took 4 years for us to get ADSL ,Telstra kindly put in another Rim took forever .
The fastest we can get is 8000 capped at 3000 and not stable had this plan about 2 years ago ,went back to 1500/256 so atleast we can download @160 k nice and stable ,as for ADSL 2 not likely just have to be happy with what we have..

[the big fist]

Had a similar problem here at work. Up until maybe 2 years ago we couldnt get adsl as we were on a RIM. Try running a large engineering company only on 56K.
:goodjob:

[mmm]

it's OK fellas, "David Thodey, chief executive officer at Telstra, said in the past fiscal year the telcos net profit grew 10.3 percent to $4.1 billion..."

[SteveK]

This is no excuse for Telstra but I don't see any other Telco providing infrastructure. Telstra are not the only Telco in Australia (we have competition) why can't they spend some money for a change.

Fine, you go get the keys to the exchanges so we can put in infrastructure? Oh, so you mean there is a 'process' to go through that can take months just to get access? Oh, and part of that process is a continually re-hashed excuse of "The contractor forgot the keys".

Welcome NBN. The times, they are a changing.

[mikeparkinson]

im about to get the keys to our new house so i got the phone connected yesterday and went to get the net hooked up today drooling at the thought of adsl2 in my own joint only to find out adsl is available! we've built in a new estate which apparently has a rim exchange setup (mini exchange in the estate) and is limited to adsl only, so i max speed of 8mb a sec....:1peek:

to say im pi$$ed is an understatement, not only that but i will only be able to have access to adsl if there is a port open :flipoff:

how does telstra get away with this sub standard cr*p?
have to wait a couple of days to find out from the local ip

mega pi$$ed

I to have this problem at my house I was just as frustrated with the speeds particularly the guy who I rent a room to loves to leave his torrent programs running 24/7. :flipoff:

BUT if you are looking at pointing the blame on why they place RIM's in estates new you have to blame the developer....

When they build these estates they only have to provide infrastructure like water, gas, elec, drainage.. Communications is last on the list..
And everyone one works to the cheapest quote.

I work in the communications industry and I happen to work for a TelCo service re-seller.

When companies come to us to deliver services to there say for example. mining camp / estate / remote site office, they want to know what its going to cost to get the infrastructure to there location.. They don't ask what technology is going to be delivered they just want to know how many $$$ is it going to take to provide acceptable level of service.

We always provide option A and B, Option B being the cheapest option and that is the one that generally gets approved. And generally there is more than one company tendering for the job.. so the more companies that tender the cheaper things get down side tho service gets worse to...

So instead of blaming just the Tel Co's blame the developers to.. They always do everything for the least amount of $$$$.

Just to let you know.. it can cost up to $11,000 - $20,000 per KM to lay sufficient cable to, Estates, Camps etc etc

The Government needs to really buy back all the Telstra infrastructure and take it back into GOV control. There idea of puting there own network is just not feasible..

:soap:

[Nidz]

I'm proud to say that none of my phone/internet services are with Telstra anymore.. I use there copper wire and my ISP has a DLAM at the Telstra exchange and that's it.. It's only people who don't care or aren't smart enought to know that Telstras is ripping them off use there products and services. People who have relied on Telstra since the says of Telecom think they are being loyal but it's nothing like it used to be and loyalty means nothing. The little guy never has any voice against such a big company like Telstra. it's a faceless company and when do you hear stories in the media when people say Telstra has done something good. Most of there publicity is negative.. Bugs me when they send an indian bloke to knock on my door to try and win me back as a client of one of there many services. My afternoon rant..

[SteveK]

I'm proud to say that none of my phone/internet services are with Telstra anymore.. I use there copper wire and my ISP has a DLAM at the Telstra exchange and that's it.. It's only people who don't care or aren't smart enought to know that Telstras is ripping them off use there products and services. People who have relied on Telstra since the says of Telecom think they are being loyal but it's nothing like it used to be and loyalty means nothing. The little guy never has any voice against such a big company like Telstra.

In this day and age, the only customer getting special service from big corporations is the customer with the title "Shareholder".

Shareholder > Customer.


it's a faceless company and when do you hear stories in the media when people say Telstra has done something good. Most of there publicity is negative.. Bugs me when they send an indian bloke to knock on my door to try and win me back as a client of one of there many services. My afternoon rant..

I had a guy of the outsourced persuasion from "The company I work for" come to my front door trying to sell me a service from "The company I work for" even whilst I stood in front of him wearing a staff lanyard around my neck for "The company I work for". He then proceeded to tell me he could get me better prices on the plans he has from "The company I work for" and when I questioned him that he can do better than the staff rates for "The company I work for" he replied 'Yes'. So I asked him again, can you get me rates cheaper than $0 because I am a staff member for "The company I work for", he still answered 'Yes'.

I gave up.

[kpop]

I had a guy of the outsourced persuasion from "The company I work for" come to my front door trying to sell me a service from "The company I work for" even whilst I stood in front of him wearing a staff lanyard around my neck for "The company I work for". He then proceeded to tell me he could get me better prices on the plans he has from "The company I work for" and when I questioned him that he can do better than the staff rates for "The company I work for" he replied 'Yes'. So I asked him again, can you get me rates cheaper than $0 because I am a staff member for "The company I work for", he still answered 'Yes'.

I gave up.

shoulda taken him up on his offer! him beating your $0 employee rates means he will pay you :)

also a little bit off topic, but my telephone is seriously messing with my ADSL2 right now. unplug the phone, and i get a download speed of 400kb, but as soon as i plug the phone back in (with adsl2 filter) my speed drops down to < 100kb...really annoying. tried a new filter, and moved it from one phone line connection to another, still no go. so i might have to get a new phone now :soap:

[Devil CV8]

whew, had to check what forum this was as I thought I was on whirlpool for a second with all the anti telstra ranting

[SteveK]

shoulda taken him up on his offer! him beating your $0 employee rates means he will pay you :)

also a little bit off topic, but my telephone is seriously messing with my ADSL2 right now. unplug the phone, and i get a download speed of 400kb, but as soon as i plug the phone back in (with adsl2 filter) my speed drops down to < 100kb...really annoying. tried a new filter, and moved it from one phone line connection to another, still no go. so i might have to get a new phone now :soap:

Mate, your issues with the phone could be true. Some of the stock Telstra phones that are supplied have capacitance issues so they will be discharging back onto the phone line. Used to happen in the modem days when it would cut out after 10 minutes exactly. Telstra acknowledged it was the fault of the phone and they said the newer stuff was better.

Don't know if this could product noise onto a DSL line but it's possible.

[vx_clubby]

This is one of the many reasons I gave telscum the flick with everything and they still owe me money and wont pay me :(

[throttlehappy]

We are on a Rim(NEW ESTATE) took 4 years for us to get ADSL ,Telstra kindly put in another Rim took forever .
The fastest we can get is 8000 capped at 3000 and not stable had this plan about 2 years ago ,went back to 1500/256 so atleast we can download @160 k nice and stable ,as for ADSL 2 not likely just have to be happy with what we have..

f*ck that!

i need online gaming alomost daily

[crtx]

wait till more people jump of the rim and slow it down then telstra will be capping your plans and still expecting you to pay for the 8MG service.

Good luck!

[wally01]

wait till more people jump of the rim and slow it down then telstra will be capping your plans and still expecting you to pay for the 8MG service.

Good luck!

Had that happen our rim is capped at 3 mg when we first had the 8000 plan i was able to get 800 k on downloads that soon stopped all i could manage was 300k not paying top dollar for shit speed ,so iam stuck for now on 1500 until something else comes along or we move house ,could be worse we could still be on dialup ...

[crtx]

Had that happen our rim is capped at 3 mg when we first had the 8000 plan i was able to get 800 k on downloads that soon stopped all i could manage was 300k not paying top dollar for shit speed ,so iam stuck for now on 1500 until something else comes along or we move house ,could be worse we could still be on dialup ...

Spot on a guy at work loves his internet he lives just past frankston suburb called skye on a new estate. His lucky now to get 1MG/256 ADSL1 specs his looked a 3G and satelite but he loves his online gaming so as most of you know 600-1000MS ping times just doesn't cut it... its basically dialup specs.

Funny thing was his old ISP never told him he was on a RIM he found out this the hard way he was with netspace, his lodged compaints with the TIO and netspace they all have done everything possible. Its up to Telstra...

[blakout]

what happened to rudd the dud`s plan ? :flipoff:

[mikeparkinson]

what happened to rudd the dud`s plan ? :flipoff:

That was just one of the way's to get him self into the top seat....

It will be to expensive to pretty much re cable the entire country to every household/business.. By the the time they recoup the costs of the rollout we would have moved onto a newer technology..

There is allot of work and hops involved to deliver 2 strands of copper to a house..

[vlcalais2005]

I got ADSL2 love it but only if i go through telstra cant get it through anyone else

[Ryzz]

By the the time they recoup the costs of the rollout we would have moved onto a newer technology..

There is allot of work and hops involved to deliver 2 strands of copper to a house..You obviously dont pay that much attention. No-one is rolling out any copper, they are rolling out Fibre. Fibre is pretty much as close to future proof as you can get and is very very easily upgradeable, an is just a matter of replacing the equipment on both ends of the fibre to increase the bandwidth. Not to mention the ability to run multiple lights simultaneously down the same piece of glass fibre tubing, enabling multiple streams.

So its far from being a case of moving to newer technology!

[mikeparkinson]

Rolling out fibre through what pit systems? All the pits services belong to publicly listed company's..

They already stated they will not be feeding fibre out to regional area's.. they will only be receiving dial-up services.

People often forget that WA is not high density living like it is in other states, our population may not be the majority but we do our bit to keep this country ticking over....

Kruds scheme was to deliver high speed internet to every household.. That's what I'm picking on, its one thing to say we are going to roll this technology out, but i can tell you its hard work, as some of the backbone / pipes run through private property's etc etc.

Im just commenting on from my point of view being someone who organizes
these type of infrastructure installations...

*Ryzz, not being a smart ass, but I am keen see your answer

[Ryzz]

They already stated they will not be feeding fibre out to regional area's.. they will only be receiving dial-up services.
Far from Dial-up services, infact the wireless requirements for regional areas was mandated at 12mbs from memory, which considering most people on DSL average 10-15mb thats not to foul in the grand scheme of things.

[mikeparkinson]

Far from Dial-up services, infact the wireless requirements for regional areas was mandated at 12mbs from memory, which considering most people on DSL average 10-15mb thats not to foul in the grand scheme of things.

In what state Ryzz?

Think of the country as a whole not a state.. Divide the average by the people who have to still use dial up or cant net at all, that 10-15mb doesn't go to far...

Think of the hundreds and thousands of people who live in isolated area's all over the N.T, WA, and South AUS.

No mobile coverage, no spare copper lines, not even a piece of fibre running into there town..

Like I said in my above posts, optical fibre runs can be from $11,000 to $20,000 per KM and it only gets more expensive the further out you go.

[Ryzz]

In what state Ryzz?

Think of the country as a whole not a state.. Divide the average by the people who have to still use dial up or cant net at all, that 10-15mb doesn't go to far...
The NBN is being looked at from a National level mate, the requirements were 100mbs Fibre, and where fibre couldnt reach/cost prohibitive (this i dont know the exact figure) would possibly be delivered by Wireless/Satellite technologies.

This wasnt a NSW thing, and I do know what areas are like that are in the middle of nowhere with little to no access to Copper/Fibre/etc. Im not thinking State level here, im thinking National wide/country/etc. That is the purpose of the NBN.

Yes is bloody expensive hit in the back pocket for tax payers, but its also looong over due and hopefully something that will last a long time into the future.

[Ryzz]

Taken from the NBNCo website.
http://www.nbnco.com.au/coverage.aspx


Our goal is to provide broadband coverage to the country with speeds of up to 100MBps to 90% of the population and up to 12MBps to the 10% remaining. The majority of the country will receive broadband through fibre to the premise, while the rest receive access via wireless broadband or satellite.

Given the size of the country it is expected that it will take approximately eight years to build and operate a National Broadband Network.

[mikeparkinson]

Yes is bloody expensive hit in the back pocket for tax payers, but its also looong over due and hopefully something that will last a long time into the future.

I totally agree with your comment here 100% this needs to be rolled out, other wise we are going to be left in the dark ages. But we are going to have to dig in deep into our pockets to do so.

My thoughts are that the carriers are not interested in upgrading networks fast as they could because of the loss of revenue because of VOIP and other voice technologies that will be available to a wider part of the population. VOIP exists here but not 100% reliable as the QOS is just not up to scratch so there for forcing people to still use PSTN and ISDN services.. They don't make money of data they make money off calls, that's all there interested in that's why we are in the dark ages..

I can go on all day about the flaw's of there network plan, but ill finish it up quickly.

1, Fibre is expensive or difficult to run through regional area's

2, Mobile broadband is limited by the amount of service points the tower is geared up for. and range is limited by the terrain surrounding it. You need to either run a fibre to each tower or Microwave to repeat the next tower (mesh network)

3, the aus government doesn't own any communications satellite to be able to deliver it at a cost effective price to mass group of consumer customers. Do you want to pay up to $1.20 - $10 per MB both up and down?

4, As time and time again when there is any form of upgrade. Majority is done on the east coast, leaving places like N.T, SA and WA still out in the cold.

End of the day the network needs to be upgraded, needs to be done by the Government, Telstra should have never been sold. But us people in the communications industry can see the floor's and corners that will be cut.

[flappist]

Start blowing up their shight.

Faulty DSLAMS and substandard equipment has a nasty habit of being replaced when confronted with severe voltage heading in the opposite direction. :jester:


You do realise what happens to TERRORISTS don't you?

Your whacking 240v down a phone line and destroy Australian infrastructure because you are angry will be viewed no differently to making crank calls about bombs on planes or trains or butting razor blades in cornflakes packets provided to do not hurt of kill someone. You will just go to jail for a few years.

On the other hand if by your electrifiying the exchange or pillar you kill some poor innocent tech then like all murderers you will get to spend most the rest of of your life in a very bad place.

Don't even joke about it, AFP have zero sense of humour.......

[kpop]

chill out mr 350z, nothing will happen :)

a bit off topic (again) but the yanks and the japs must be laughing their asses off at us

. US = $50 a month gets you unlimited download at full cable speeds with no limit whatsoever

. japs = common to get 5meg a second downloads

while im here jumping for joy if i can get a steady 200kb per second speed :bawl:

[throttlehappy]

find out if we've got a port or not tomorrow

fingers crossed

[Party Pete]

Being stuck on the RIM system myself I really want a better service, but I do wonder if it is necessary to run fibre optic cable to every house when wireless technology seems to be capable of delivering more than sufficient speed for any home user. Telstra currently offers up to 21mbs speeds on their Next G network and is about to upgrade it to 42mbs. They claim that they will upgrade it to double that again later. Further, Telstra is about to trial a 4G system in Hong Kong which is capable of 100mbs to start with and has the potential to provide much higher speeds. There is a WA company who is meant to be about to roll out a 4G network in Perth and someone else is about to do the same in Sydney. I realise that these are always theoretical speeds and they never deliver that to your computer, but I understand that a fairly typical speed from the next G network with the fastest modem is around 7 mbs now which is similar to ADSL2. Surely it would be cheaper therefore to provide a national wireless system than run individual cables to every home?

[throttlehappy]

got the keys today, internet went through with the local ip only to find out it wouldnt work

no ports was the response from telstra..........
f*cking bullsh*t, so pi$$ed off
so now we're on dial up once a get a 56k modem :vpo: until a port opens up which will probably be never

[retch]

got the keys today, internet went through with the local ip only to find out it wouldnt work

no ports was the response from telstra..........
f*cking bullsh*t, so pi$$ed off
so now we're on dial up once a get a 56k modem :vpo: until a port opens up which will probably be never

Ring them up once a week and ask if there are any cancellations [people who cancel their connection when they move etc] and you might queue jump...it was done in my area by a couple of people who were on a long waiting list...from memory it took around 3/4 months of ringing.

[mikeparkinson]

Don't mean to dig up an old thread, but thought id finish the thread off.. i told you i was right.

LACK of clarity, technical ignorance and a rushed timeframe doomed the federal government's aborted tender for the original national broadband network from the start, costing more than $30 million in private and public funding.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/m-wasted-getting-tender-for-broadband/story-e6frg6nf-1225826519721

[feistl]

Don't mean to dig up an old thread, but thought id finish the thread off.. i told you i was right.

LACK of clarity, technical ignorance and a rushed timeframe doomed the federal government's aborted tender for the original national broadband network from the start, costing more than $30 million in private and public funding.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/m-wasted-getting-tender-for-broadband/story-e6frg6nf-1225826519721

That refers to the original FTTN network... as the government decided that none of the applications were suitable they decided to build a (much better) FTTH network.

That article refers to the wasted time/money spent taking applications for the FTTN originally now thats its been superceeded by FTTH.

The current proposal in place is going to be MUCH MUCH better long term, as it completely removes the need for helstra copper pairs to each home.

Had the FTTN been built, it would have had massivly quick backbone fiber delivered to each exchange... but then telstra could still ask for $30+/month to use their copper to get it to the actual physical homes.

Now, as soon as fiber rolls past, you can completely disconnect your home phone line (No more telstra :D) and run VoIP.

Depending what happens with the final negotiations with Telstra... They could be broke/losing a LOT of money in the next 10 years.

As IPTV gains popularity, foxtel is in serious trouble going forward. The only thing still valuable for Telstra is wireless/NextG network... And what the government has up its sleeve is the wireless spectrum thats going to be freed up when the analog TV network is switched off. If they prevent Telstra from using this, they will be forever stuck on 3G speeds. Companies like Optus/Vodaphone etc could buy in and release 4G wireless networks... meaning better coverage and much higher speeds.

So in essence, if i was a Telstra share holder i would be selling out... They've been MASSIVELY ripping off customers due to their monopoly control of the market. Now their old shitty copper network is worthless, the pay TV model has limited days and potentially they wont get access to the required bandwidth for 4G, they dramatically need to change their way of business. Hence thier new CEO is a lot more open to dealing with the government, as he realises the companies dominance is limited.

For one, im happy as a pig in shit.... I HATE telstra and the government for they way they privatized it. Rather than our communications network being run as a utility by the government to deliver the best possible service, it became a private entity with the sole focus of maximizing profits (for some overseas investors) and as a result the Australian public has been left in the dark ages.

Death to Telstra :flipoff:

The new network will cost a lot to implement, but it will be useful for 60-100 years in the future. The medium (Fibre) which is being rolled out, is basically the best medium that has been, or very possible WILL EVER BE designed. You cant travel faster than light, and copper supports multiple channels.

The massive initial cost (43Bn) is a lot, but once in place upgrades will simply be new devices on each end of the fibre. Providing the fibre is always owned/run as a utility (eg not maximizing profits), every Australian will be much better off. This is probably the one thing the government has done right. Just a shame their pushing ahead with a totally useless filter that will not have the desired effect.