Note vs Drone VE V8 wagon

[azzss]

G'day all, I'm about to buy a 09 SSV manual wagon. I will be fitting a full system (headers cats etc) with a otr and tune. I was hoping on some feedback on what works well on these with a good note while having minimal or no drone. I've heard HM/perry are quite good but am open to any suggestions people might have as hopefully i'll get it right the first time:goodjob:. It dosen't need to sound like a doorslammer just a nice note as its a family wagon (one 2yo and one on the way in may!).
Thanks for any help.

[Aussie Pete]

I have a walkinshaw system behind HSV headers/cats. Mine is an L98 auto. Right now I'm running the standard mid section and just the rear cans off the walkinshaw system. All good so far and that's saying something because I was real scared being a wagon. No drone and nice subdued note. I will be refitting the mid section in the next week after a minor mod to the front flange (caused by a stuff up not of walky's doing). This is the exact system sold by Perry/HM albeit with the machined alloy tips. Is it worth $1900, nah. But if you get a deal like I did I'd say go for it.

[azzss]

Thanks aussie pete, Sounds like the hsv/hm system could be the go. Just thought i'd throw this up and see what is a good system for the wagons.
Cheers

[Nidz]

I've had a few catbacks on my V8 wagon and I'd stay off Xforce cause they are pretty loud but it all depends on what mods you end up doing to it..

[SARS]

azzss,

KPM Exhaust Systems guarantees there system not to Drone!!

This is why I went to them after my first system.

Full System with:
Ceramic (4 into 1 Performance Headers) with 2.5 Inch Exhaust

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=81269&page=10

Hope this helps ;)

[BEARWOOD]

azzss,

KPM Exhaust Systems guarantees there system not to Drone!!

This is why I went to them after my first system.

Full System with:
Ceramic (4 into 1 Performance Headers) with 2.5 Inch Exhaust

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=81269&page=10

Hope this helps ;)

With a cam the KPM 3" full system WILL DRONE at certain rpms. If you just want a bit of a note & no drone go with a catback in the 2.5", which one will be up to you as everyone has a different opinion on what sounds good.

[simon.w]

I have X-Force 4 into 1 Extractors, High flow cats, & 3" system on a hot cammed SSV. Was loud and droaned with X-Force Mufflers so I fitted Varex. Now I can have it loud or medium when I want, or quiet with absolutely no droan at all. I highly recommend them!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmrTNhZbNLw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WXEi8hTNM0

[iloveholden]

Twin 2.5 or 3" MANTA system mate :)

[Smitty]

G'day all, I'm about to buy a 09 SSV manual wagon. I will be fitting a full system (headers cats etc) with a otr and tune. I was hoping on some feedback on what works well on these with a good note while having minimal or no drone. I've heard HM/perry are quite good but am open to any suggestions people might have as hopefully i'll get it right the first time:goodjob:. It dosen't need to sound like a doorslammer just a nice note as its a family wagon (one 2yo and one on the way in may!).
Thanks for any help.

I am running a (2nd hand) VE GTS mid section and rear mufflers on my SSV manual wagon (which got rid of the original factory cackle) AND my next door neighbour
turned up at the weekend with a brand new manual SS wagon ...with Walky exhaust

interesting that our chat got onto exhausts....his is notable loud and boomy at idle and also as he moves off and changes gear,
but on cruise (constant throttle) it just rumbles away V8 material...those are his comments (and not sure whether it was worth the $ now)

Mine? just sounds like a VE GTS with HSV system...no boom with the wagon, just a nice rumble at all times and you know its a V8 :bow:


hth

[Aussie Pete]

I am running a (2nd hand) VE GTS mid section and rear mufflers on my SSV manual wagon (which got rid of the original factory cackle) ........

Mine? just sounds like a VE GTS with HSV system...no boom with the wagon, just a nice rumble at all times and you know its a V8 :bow:
Isn't the GTS mid section same as the SSV anyhow? I thought the only difference was the headers/cats and the rear cans?

[MTC]

Isn't the GTS mid section same as the SSV anyhow? I thought the only difference was the headers/cats and the rear cans?

Yep that's correct. mid section is exactly the same

[azzss]

azzss,

KPM Exhaust Systems guarantees there system not to Drone!!

This is why I went to them after my first system.

Full System with:
Ceramic (4 into 1 Performance Headers) with 2.5 Inch Exhaust

http://www.ls1.com.au/forum/showthread.php?t=81269&page=10

Hope this helps ;)

Thanks sars, I will give them a ring. How does is sound compared to your first system?

[Smitty]

Isn't the GTS mid section same as the SSV anyhow? I thought the only difference was the headers/cats and the rear cans?

was advertised as catback system off a GTS
and for $100.... which included fitting, i just had the whole thing fitted (I assumed the middle is different)

[Super_Matt]

I've got HSV headers and cats with HM/Perry 2 1/2" stainless steel catback.
No drone...

At first I just had the catback.. still had no drone. The HSV headers and cats gave the catback a slightly deeper note. The car is a SSV Sportswagon A6.

On my last car (VE SS sedan) I had a full Xforce system, consisting on 1 5/8" extractors with high flow cats and 2 1/2" catback... it crackled a lot and droned in the cabin.

I rate the current system on my wagon, for $900 delivered (bought from Ebay) i think it was good bang for buck.

[OFDHZY]

I've got a Hm perry system on my ute.... sounds ok build quality is crap had to get a brand new system re-welded with in days of install... In heinsite should have jus got KPM from the get go..... KPM all the way...

[SARS]

Thanks sars, I will give them a ring. How does is sound compared to your first system?

Its great foot down V8 sound is awesome.
But cruising along nice note. NO Drone!!
BTW - I have a 2 year old as well, so it makes my wife happy ;)

[azzss]

Its great foot down V8 sound is awesome.
But cruising along nice note. NO Drone!!
BTW - I have a 2 year old as well, so it makes my wife happy ;)

I have spoken to KPM and i reckon that will be the go. What size headers are you running sars?. Some are saying 1"3/4 and then 1"7/8 are better some say. I'll get a mafless tune and otr but no cam at this stage.
Cheers

[Wonky]

I've got 1 7/8" Pacies with my KPM 3" system and Oztrack has found even with stock cam the 1 7/8" plus DUS OTR is giving fantastic results.

[Aussie Pete]

Well now fitted my full system. HSV headers and cats with the Walkinshaw cat back twin 2.5. This is the same system as the HM Headers just with Walkinshaw etching and the twin machined tips (which I like a lot). No drone. Nice note when on throttle but very ordinary idle sound (mine is a stock L98 A6 wagon).

Made me finally walk up the road and talk to a guy that drives past every morning. Talk about coincidence he has a Hi-Tech Mufflers system modded/ specific to Charlestone exhaust. Great note throughout and if I had the money I'd go that one for sure. But apparently best on manuals and definitely not for AFM.

[SARS]

I have spoken to KPM and i reckon that will be the go. What size headers are you running sars?. Some are saying 1"3/4 and then 1"7/8 are better some say. I'll get a mafless tune and otr but no cam at this stage.
Cheers

I am running 1"7/8 with OTR and Oztrack tunes (Auto and Engine tune)

[chillicatqld]

I have got GTS headers and CATs on my 9.5 wagon.
Can someone tell me if the rear cans off a GTS sedan will fit on the wagon, and if they do, will they sound a bit better than the standard ones - I can get a set for free!!

[Smitty]

I have got GTS headers and CATs on my 9.5 wagon.
Can someone tell me if the rear cans off a GTS sedan will fit on the wagon, and if they do, will they sound a bit better than the standard ones - I can get a set for free!!


yes they fit.... I have a set on mine (mid pipes and mufflers fit easy peasy)
and yes they sound far better than the original muffler cackle
Holden call a note....

[chillicatqld]

thanks Smitty
are the mid mufflers better also than the standard?

[Smitty]

thanks Smitty
are the mid mufflers better also than the standard?

.....no
as i found out after the fitment on mine (see above posts)
the cat back pipes are the same on the GTS and the SSV
so really its only the mufflers that are different

[chillicatqld]

awesome mate - thanks

[Slammer]

I have the Defillipo full system on mine
Great note and ZERO drone

[Aussie Pete]

The difference as far as I know is GTS on VE2 uses a mid section which is the same as a Walkinshaw twin 2.5. All other models in VE use the same mid section. As far as rear mufflers if I am right the HSV rear mufflers are the same as the early twin baffle true twin outlet mufflers just wiuth twin alloy tips. Please correct me if that's wrong but that's what I have found so far (without gutting the mufflers).

[chillicatqld]

I have the Defillipo full system on mine
Great note and ZERO drone

Slammer I see you have a Maloo.
We are talking about wagons specifically here as they have a bad tendency to drone/boom.

[azzss]

I'm going with the KPM 2.5 inch system with pacemaker headers. Gets fitted next week hope will be all good. Thanks everyone for there feedback:goodjob:

[Wonky]

:goodjob: I've never heard a 2.5" KPM VE system but my 3" is awesome! So deeeeeeeep........

[azzss]

:goodjob: I've never heard a 2.5" KPM VE system but my 3" is awesome! So deeeeeeeep........

Yeah wonky, they recommend the 2.5" for the sportswagon so they tell me.

[Wonky]

Yeah, have heard that and probably quite right on a wagon given their tendency to boom.

[MORFTUP]

Ive just had my OTR and full Difillipo twin 3" system changed over from my SSV ute to my CalaisV wagon (selling the ute and didnt want to waste all the $$$ i spent), had to mod the exhaust a little bit but was fine. The wagon is noticeably louder than the ute was as could be expected however the wagon also had AFM so when it dropped back to 4 cylinders it sounded like crap and when it kicked back into V8 mode it was like a fur seal chocking on a penguin.
In the end i had the AFM tuned out so it runs in V8 mode constantly and that fixed the problem (it was something i hadnt even considered)
The note is a little droney at cruise but nothing you cant handle (ive heard worse) and the V8 note sounds great when you give it some juice.
Had it dynoed just with the Russo OTR (mafless) and difillipo system at 320 RWHP which is nothing outrages but not bad for a family car.

[Aussie Pete]

After doing a few more kays in mine with the Walkinshaw exhaust it has a slight drone maybe around 1600-1900 revs but only light throttle and momentarily just before upshifts. In steady state it is okay. When you open it or put load on the engine it sounds pretty good. But as per my experience of HM design systems on my CV8 Monaro LS1 and others, it really sounds very ordinary at idle. In fact the only time it sounds half good at idle is when it is in a cold start and the revs are up. Perhaps they sound better when you cam the car and the manifold vacuum is changed.

In talking to most exhaust places when you really put down the gauntlett and ask them to guarantee satisfaction re drone on a wagon they acknowledge the difficulty versus sedan/ute. Add AFM and you're in a limited market!

[Wonky]

As I've mentioned previously my full KPM 3" system (inc 1 7/8" Pacies, not 1 3/4") had absolutely no drone in AFM mode. My wife couldn't even tell when the AFM had kicked in and she is normally reasonably perceptive car wise for a woman. :nutkick: (what will happen to me if she reads this! :lol:)

Plus the KPM idle is to die for!! :drool:

[Aussie Pete]

As I've mentioned previously my full KPM 3" system (inc 1 7/8" Pacies, not 1 3/4") had absolutely no drone in AFM mode. My wife couldn't even tell when the AFM had kicked in and she is normally reasonably perceptive car wise for a woman. :nutkick: (what will happen to me if she reads this! :lol:)

Plus the KPM idle is to die for!! :drool:
I think ute and sedan are well sorted (your being a ute obviously). It seems wagons are creating issues even for those in the know and selling this stuff.

I can't think of having had a ute that ever droned!

[Aussie Pete]

Just had a look at the KPM website. Says "our systems are guaranteed not to drone" which to me is good enough reason provided the cost is in your budget range and there are no special conditions like having to tune out AFM.

Anyone know what places in Sydney do KPM off the shelf? Wouldn't mind hearing one in the metal.

[chillicatqld]

Just put the rear cans off a GTS on the wagon.
Looks great and has really added a mild burble that was not there with the standard rear mufflers.
I now have GTS headers and CAT's and rear cans... so I suppose a whole HSV exhaust.
Great little mod for the carton that I paid for the rears...thanks Kev!

[mummbles]

Just put the rear cans off a GTS on the wagon.
Looks great and has really added a mild burble that was not there with the standard rear mufflers.
I now have GTS headers and CAT's and rear cans... so I suppose a whole HSV exhaust.
Great little mod for the carton that I paid for the rears...thanks Kev!

I've not seen any GTS gear come up on ebay. Where are you guys sourcing this?
FOr that matter, will holden spare parts sell em to me?

[Wonky]

I've not seen any GTS gear come up on ebay. Where are you guys sourcing this?
FOr that matter, will holden spare parts sell em to me?

Holden won't sell anything now to non HSV owners, plus you'd have to hand over your nuts and promise them your first born child!! :lol: Just keep an eye out on here in My Ride for guys with E series vehicles who upgrade or even better are about to upgrade their exhaust as often they just leave them at the exhaust shop.

[chillicatqld]

I've not seen any GTS gear come up on ebay. Where are you guys sourcing this?
FOr that matter, will holden spare parts sell em to me?

Hey mate... there is a VE GTS whole exhaust on ebay at moment.. search for VE muffler. The clown is asking $1000 for it though!

Ring PowerTorque or HiTorque and ask if they have any sets for sale there.

[mummbles]

THanks guys, will do.

[azzss]

Well the KPM 2.5 inch system and 1"3/4 paceys on my sportswagon is a great system for note and NO drone. I'd recommend this setup to anyone with a sportswagon and it tucks up under the car very nicely as well as mine is lowered (not much though, pedders sportsrider) and it doesn't hit speed humps etc.
Cheers.

[IanR8]

Hey mate... there is a VE GTS whole exhaust on ebay at moment.. search for VE muffler. The clown is asking $1000 for it though!

Ring PowerTorque or HiTorque and ask if they have any sets for sale there.

I left my full system at Power Torque last month they may still have it. It had only done 9,000Km. VE R8

[chillicatqld]

I'm loving the GTS rears/headers combo. I mean sure I would love a more rumbling V8 noise... but I can easily see how these wagons would be the biggest drone boxes!
The GTS mufflers just have a nice burble on the inside, anymore and it would be annoying I reckon!

[Smitty]

..............The GTS mufflers just have a nice burble on the inside, anymore and it would be annoying I reckon!


+1

mine are sweet
the only hassle is keeping the alloy tips...shiny
they discolour quickly :bawl:

[chillicatqld]

Yeah it took me ages to clean mine up when I got them. They are off one of the first GTS's, so they had been sitting round for a while!

[Aussie Pete]

+1

mine are sweet
the only hassle is keeping the alloy tips...shiny
they discolour quickly :bawl:

Ahh my son I have a hint for you. I use Mother's Billet Alloy polish. It's as expensive as anything you will ever buy but it works. You will need to give the tips a very good go first time though. I got one of those Mothers foam polishing cones and launched into my Walkinshaw tips. Now all I do is wipe them down every few days and use the mothers lightlt once a month. easy.