VZ SS or BA2 XR8?

[HULK_BA]

I currently have a BA XT with 200,000km and its time to retire it..

I happy to say the wife (minister of funds) has agreed that I purchase a V8..

I have been looking at a BA2 XR8 with 6spd manual and very close to purchase but my brother says go for the VZ SS instead. Also 6spd.

I have not driven a VZ SS but I have driven the BA2 XR8.

So far the intention is to keep either car standard until I can convince the Mrs to allow some mods. Im thinking an exhaust and tune for either car.

I would like to ask those in the know on here to point out some benefits of the VZ SS and its 5.7 motor over the BA2 XR8 5.4 motor. Both seem to be going for around the same price in similar condition.

Thankyou in advance for your input.

Allen.

[SSDVL!]

mate i believe there is a thread already with something similar as to what your asking....if a remember correctly it was split, but a lot of fors and againsts were noted.....i dont knoew thread location though

cheers ed

[MrT]

I drive an FG turbo now but have had a BA turbo before my VE SS. I know you want an 8 but for around 17k you can pick up a good turbo that will eat the other 2. Give it a custom tune for around $600 and it will runs 12s no sweat...

However, if you really want that big V8 the SS would be the far better option imo...

[LS1-5.7]

VZ SS or BA2 XR8? Holy crap ! Asking that here is like choosing between getting invited for a drink OR receiving a public stoning really .... lol in all seriousness the 5.4 blue ovals do go hard but there are no limitations to what you can do with a gen3 engine either. In my opinion a commodore just drives/feels/looks better than any Ford I have driven and based on that I would suggest the commodore. I guess the only way you'll know is to go take a VY/VZ manual SS for a spin and see what you think. Just remember the VZ's run a drive by wire throttle that will feel like squashing a snail compared to the good ol throttle cable the VY's use. Somehow I think you will see the light and tell us about the great choice you made when you left the "dark side" ! If not, have fun on the FPV forum :1peek:

[rgmast]

I presume u will post on both ford and holden forums. So im guessing everyone on here is going to tell u to go the VZ or spend a few more $$$ and get into a VE and on the Ford forum they are going to tell you the opposite

[pelagonia_ss]

VZ SS is quicker.

[troytroy]

The cost of getting a full exhaust for the Ford is more expensive. Fitting headers to the Ford is a nightmare. So labour is expensive. Not as much aftermarket support (competition = better value) for the Ford 5.4 Litre.

From the factory the Ford suffers from being a little gutless down low (arguably the LS1 does to compared to the LS2 and L98 - but the lighter VZ body covers most of it) - it has a strong, small powerband mid range where it comes on at 3,500rpm - and pulls like a train till 5,500rpm and then everything stops - which ultimately blunts performance and 0-100 times. (unlike an LS1 which will still be pushing out Torque and power up to 6,000rpm (and up to near 7,000rpm with a big camshaft)

Altough the standard VZ brakes are not exactly race spec (VZ 6.0 had bigger corvette brakes too compared to standard VY) - they will do the job for street duties - the extra weight of the BA though kills its standard brakes easily. Especially when a large chunk of that weight is up high and forward of the front axle.

You can't exactly do a $3,000 camshaft mod for a Ford either.....(although the Ford guys will say they don't need to because they have four.... - but the Dyno will say otherwise:) )


If your LS1 dies down the track - which it shouldn't unless you've done some crazy km's - you have lots of choices to either stroke and rebuild - drop in an LS2, L76, L98 or even an LS3.....you don't have that level of choice and growth path with the 5.4 litre. There are plentiful blocks and engines available as well due to the comparitively higher number of engines produced compared to the parts-bin-special 5.4 litre.

Assuming you may modify down the track to at least bolt-ons (and you will, 'cause it's addictive) then the LS1 is a better starting point. The fact that you don't have to haul around the extra weight of the Ford is a good performance advantage. (even better - look for a 6.0 litre VZ!!)

Ls1 support for engine, driveline etc is plentiful (like the XR6T really) around Australia and importantly overseas where you can tap into the cheap US market

[DX_]

From a performance perspective, yes I would go with the SS - those Boss engines are a good unit but they are so heavy and dare I say lazy. However the XR8 will have a nicer interior, if you find one with premium sound then you will have the pretty LCD screen as well. Exterior wise I'm sure you already know which one you prefer, personally I prefer the look of the SS and think it has aged a little better (although I preferred the XR's back in the day when they came out, but they have aged).

Either way you jump, you will be quite happy indeed. Not knowing which V8 sedan to buy.. it's a lovely problem to have.

[blnls1]

I, had the same thoughts when i was ready to upgrade. And after driving both, and weighing up all the cons and pros i went with the vz! Mainly because i was always going take the road to more POWER. Simpially i just bolted on a small harrop blower with no other mods and am enjoying 312rwkw everyday. An as other people have pointed out, parts can be sorced easily from the states too. And lets be honest... the interior and extirior looks of the vz kicks ass over the taxi looking xr8...!!!
Just my opinion though.:hide:

[Wonky]

Not quite the same comparison I know but my daughter's boyfriend and his family are long time Ford nuts - regularly went to Bathurst to cheer on Fords. He bought an AUIII XR8 and about a year later my daughter bought a VY2 SS.

He now drives the SS at every opportunity and is now no longer a Ford nut, slowly swinging around to the red team. They've just bought a house and can no longer afford to run two V8s, so it's the Fraud that has to go!

As I said, not quite the same cars as you're talking about but the VZ SS is little different to the VY2 SS. Also as mentioned above by others, my understanding is that there is nowhere near as much go fast gear around as for the LS1 and it is comparatively expensive.

[feistl]

The XR8 is a poor choice from the reasons stated above.

HOWEVER...

A VZ SS vs a BA XR6T is a different story. I was soooo close to buying a XR6T its not funny...

Ended up going the VX SS, as it was worked, had red leather interior, sunroof, airbags and looks tougher IMO.

Still test drive a bunch of models then take your pick.

Cheers

[HULK_BA]

thankyou for the replies, some really good information and enjoyable to read.

It is a good problem to have to choose between a v8 from ford and a v8 from holden. Both excellent cars.

I note from my drive in the xr8, there is a big difference in the response of the motor under about 4000rpm and over 4000rpms. It really does pull very strong when you rev it high. The saleman said that is when the cams cut in? He said its designed like that because families dont want too much torque down low as its dangerous.

Does the ls1 behave similarly or is it more linear in its power delivery? I will be going to look at a blue vz ss with the 5.7 6spd this saturday.

Oh and are they overall about as fast as one another? What about with the exhaust systems and tunes?

Thankyou for your insight, keep them coming.

[macca_779]

thankyou for the replies, some really good information and enjoyable to read.

It is a good problem to have to choose between a v8 from ford and a v8 from holden. Both excellent cars.

I note from my drive in the xr8, there is a big difference in the response of the motor under about 4000rpm and over 4000rpms. It really does pull very strong when you rev it high. The saleman said that is when the cams cut in? He said its designed like that because families dont want too much torque down low as its dangerous.

Does the ls1 behave similarly or is it more linear in its power delivery? I will be going to look at a blue vz ss with the 5.7 6spd this saturday.

Oh and are they overall about as fast as one another? What about with the exhaust systems and tunes?

Thankyou for your insight, keep them coming.

The 5.7's are a bit more linear in their power delivery. I mean that in that its a bit harder to pin point the moment they really come on unlike the Fords. For outright performance the Holden is quicker. The VZ tune wasn't bad out of the box either, but there is of course more on the table. The same goes for the Ford V8. They make really good power when tuned but still they dont use it as well as the Holdens as the power window is just so narrow. Exhaust note, the Ford sounds alot better in my opinion. But then again a nice cam in an LS1 can change that.

For a daily car and if your aren't to concerned on extracting big power either will be fine. I prefer the Ford interior slightly but I much prefer the Holden V8. For me the motor is important. In fact its the only reason I have one, but then I was always going to mod mine and you may not. Either way drive both. Both are good cars but the end choice is your. Just hope we helped.

[cashie]

Having owned 2 XR8s and several LS1 powered Holdens I am probably well placed to offer advice..
I say go the VZ SS, the engine is far easier/cheaper to mod, it has a far more linear power delivery, I also now think the BA/BF is looking dated..
One thing in the XR8s favour is the noise, they do/can sound very nice..

[Scott@VCM]

Be careful with the BA XR6T's.

They are getting that bit older now, and require a number of modifications to create 'safe' power.

If your looking to go down that route, head towards a BF.

Have a chat to your tuner about the cars they see, and $$ required to get good reliable power. :)

Cheers,

Scott@VCM

[READA]

My old man has got the BF2 XR8 - auto...
and i got the Vz monaro - manual pretty much same as an SS
i drive his car during the week to save fuel :)

I have only got an exhuast on my car and it would leave the xr8 for dead!!
even my old man a ford fan for years... steels my keys every saturday morning for a spin :P

i would take the SS for sure better looking car and interior
and appears to be easyer power gains for bolt ons according to a few ppl around the town...

[charlie15]

I used to work at Ford and drove Xr8's quite a lot. At that time I owned a VY SS. The Xr's revs cut out too early, just seemed a little sluggish. However,the Xr6T is another story. All round very decent sedan. I'll tell you one thing though, I was glad to be driving my SS home every night.

[SHANESVZSS]

if you can get a nice condition 06 SS (theres plenty around to) with the 6.0ltr , you wont look back , doesnt have the "lazyness" down low like the ls1 does..

[HULK_BA]

I read that the xr8 has 260kw and 500nm and SS has 250kw and 470nm.

Wouldnt this make them very even in performance? But people say the SS is more faster and better fuel economy too?

[AndrewR8]

At the end of the day mate, buy what you want. I have a feeling that your slightly more weighted towards the Ford in your message. I have spent hours driving both a BA XR8 and VZ SS for work. From a comfort perspective the XR8 won hands down, the interior just felt nicer, more comfortable and it had the premium sound with color lcd screen. The VZ had a more rougher finish especially around the center console and heaps of black plastic, but the leather seats were nice.

Engine wise my opinion of a stock VZ SS is that they are very doughy and slow, the autos are also horrible, manuals are fantastic. The BA had a much nicer note, also slow off the line but in saying that the traction light came on a lot. Both cars lined up would be very close with the average driver. Although if one of the cars was a manual it would win.

There are more options for the 5.7 in the after market dept, but there are some good charged 5.4's getting around, you tube a few.

They are both good cars, drive both and see what suits you the best, its your money and never buy to impress, buy to enjoy.

If it were me I would lean towards the SS in manual as I would be taking the after market route.

[FlatfootV8]

The BA's V8 engine is a lard arse of an engine compared to the VZ 6 litre engine. So the XR8 is more front heavy compared to the XR6 and XR6 turbo and VZ SS's.

I always found the V8's in Holdens rev more freely than the Boss V8.

[bladerunner]

if you can get a nice condition 06 SS (theres plenty around to) with the 6.0ltr , you wont look back , doesnt have the "lazyness" down low like the ls1 does..

agree there. that would be my preference as well. the xr engine is a very smooth idleing motor but it does suffer from a narrow tq band. as for the turbos ive heard of some horror stories with them but they are on the whole a bloody great engine. from what ive experianced though they can get a tad "nervous" when boosted up. my pick of the turbos would be a bf-2 as they have the typhoon bottom end in them. but each to their own. its your money so buy what you want.

[LTH-00L]

Read any comparison review between these 2 cars and you will find they all say with no doubt that the SS is a far better package. Much better handling and quicker in the straight line. If you’re going to go for a Ford, buy the XR6T over the XR8. The XR8 engine weighs a lot and this affects the handling of the car greatly. Personally I would go for the SS over either of them as I’m a V8 man…. And the Holden is a far better V8..

[Djbarnstar]

The Boss 5.4 is more than 100KG heavier than the LS based engines. This gives the V8 fords a snow plough action on the track. :bawl:

[cashie]

The Boss 5.4 is more than 100KG heavier than the LS based engines. This gives the V8 fords a snow plough action on the track. :bawl:

And on the street...........

[iloveholden]

I know this is a Holden forum and I am one Holden supporter but the VZ SS would be my pick for various reasons even if i wasn't bias.

My reasons;

FOR VZ SS:

- Looks nicer and less dated
- Is Faster
- More economical
- Easier and cheaper to tune and mod
-IMO a way nicer interior

Against

-The LS1 isnt all great down low in the revs imo
- There are a shitload of VZ SS's running around
- The fact that just a year or two up the MY06 SS would be too tempting imo....even nicer interior with full Climate control, nice leather seats standard, monaro wheels, better tail lights and most importantly a L76 (6L) which imo is a better motor....yes i've driven both an LS1 and L76 many times :)

The BA on the other hand can sound meaty and tuff but its expensive to mod and the damn thing ways too much to be quick out of the box, and like i mentioned the interior to me is a little taxi like and exterior possibly dated today.

I know this all sounds very Holden bias but its what i honestly believe :)

[HULK_BA]

Ive managed to source down two motor\wheels reviews..

1st review, both vehicles auto, bf xr8 has 6spd auto and vz had 4spd auto.. The xr8 was quicker and judged the better overall car.

2nd review, both cars 6spd man, the vz ss 5.7 was quicker but the xr8 still judged the better overall car. They said the steering and all round polish was better?? Felt a generation ahead??

Im a little confused now.. Ill drive the ss on saturday and go from there.. the ba xr8 reminds me too much of my xt.

[iloveholden]

Dont base your purchase on Motor or Wheels reviews mate, or even 0-100k;s times etc They have been known to write rubbish from time to time and also both proceed to run time trials etc in different fashions. :)

[csv rulz]

Iv got a VY SS and my mate has a BA XR8 - both manuals, he was blown away when i took him for a ride in my car by how much quicker it was. I also use around 1.5-2L less per 100km than him for similar driving. For me there was no comparisent - an XR6T might tempt me but even then i think i would miss the V8 burble to much.

[255-LS1]

dont want tho throw a spanner in the works but what about a y series clubby or R8 if you can stretch. Well equipped (esp on R8) and have that level of exclusivity. look the goods to IMO.

just a thought

[HULK_BA]

i dont think i could stretch to a hsv as the insurance would defeat me.. Plus my wife and i need to be able to park it places etc.

I think looks of both BA XR8 and VZ SS is arguable and down to personal preference. Same with interior.

But i think the drivetrain sets them apart. Many holden people including my brother say go for the ss vz as its got better fuel economy and better performance..

Then the ford guys say holden had to release the 6.0l v8 just to compete with the 5.4 boss series motors in the fords? Is this true?

Are the comments in this thread about the 5.7l vzs or 6.0l? My budget only extends to a ba2 xr8 or vz ss 5.7...$20,000-24000... The 6spd manuals are also more rare in both model and more pricey.

[SHANESVZSS]

the ford guys are wrong! the only reason holden brought out the 6.0 in 2006 is because the ls1 no longer met the new emmisions standards..nothing to do with ford.. if you look hard you should be able to pick up an 06 manual for that budget.. just bargin hard :)

[DVS VT Clubby]

go the ss mate the ls1 destroys the 5.4 litre and is cheaper to mod in the long run. My car makes 285 kw at the wheels and gets between 600 and 650 k's to a tank. My dad has the 5.4 litre stock as a rock and strugles to get 400k's to a tank on a trip, with cruise on. LS1 tuned right will make power and get econoy.

[clubbie]

Have you driven both?

If you have not, how about you get off your a$$ and away from your computer and simply drive them both.

Until then you are simply having a w@nkfest. I mean do you care what other peoples opinions are on your prospective car? You have to drive it and own it, not the internet forum.

I have driven both and I do not like the feeling of sitting high on top of the seat (XR8) rather than in the seat (SS). You might be the opposite.

So the question should be "What car do you like?"

[HULK_BA]

yes i will be looking at a vz ss 6spd on saturday and hope to make a decision there and then. It has 64000km, leather and asking $23500. The xr8 is $24000 but has leather, premium sound and 57000km. I have basically got him down to $22,500

The comments on here have been helpful. I want to go and see the ss armed with some of the things to look out for when benchmarking it to the xr8. Thankyou for providing some good starters.

So to get a balanced view where would the 5.7 SS be lacking with respect to the xr8 5.4 v8?? Surely it cannot be all ticks?

[calais190]

Have you driven both?

If you have not, how about you get off your a$$ and away from your computer and simply drive them both.

Until then you are simply having a w@nkfest. I mean do you care what other peoples opinions are on your prospective car? You have to drive it and own it, not the internet forum.

I have driven both and I do not like the feeling of sitting high on top of the seat (XR8) rather than in the seat (SS). You might be the opposite.

So the question should be "What car do you like?"

He's right. On paper both cars are extremely similar, but until you take each out for a drive and see how they feel (to you), you'll never get the right answer here.

Interesting place to ask that question too, for some reason i think most people will suggest the SS would be better... but who knows why...

[rgmast]

yes i will be looking at a vz ss 6spd on saturday and hope to make a decision there and then. It has 64000km, leather and asking $23500. The xr8 is $24000 but has leather, premium sound and 57000km. I have basically got him down to $22,500

The comments on here have been helpful. I want to go and see the ss armed with some of the things to look out for when benchmarking it to the xr8. Thankyou for providing some good starters.

So to get a balanced view where would the 5.7 SS be lacking with respect to the xr8 5.4 v8?? Surely it cannot be all ticks?

What have they been saying on the Ford Forum?

[mjrandom]

Years ago when these were new I was after a replacement to my VT SS and I looked at the options and rated them like this:

XR6T then SS then XR8.

I bought the XR6T. It was a great car (premium brakes, premium sound, sunroof, leather...) apart from a near useless handbrake and some rattles. Brakes were almost up to the job as well. It was undertyred but then all the turbos are like that.

If you are wedded to a V8 then my view is the SS is the better buy. If you go for the Ford watch out for the traction control, in my view it comes on too late (and you have already started compensating for the slide) and it can really bite.

Michael

[HULK_BA]

i hear you all but a drive around the block doesnt really expose the cars strengths and weaknesses. Especially the way i drive lol.

Its the day to day traits that we learn through ownership. Hence i ask.

Personally i have always tend to swing to the larger motor, hence i went with the xt falcon over the commodore v6.

But in the v8s, holden has the bigger motor so i would imagine more torque. But the specifications say its not so. 500mn against 470mn. Dont get me wrong either car is more than enough power for me but i want to get the best for my money.

Looking forward to my drive on saturday in the ss. What are the pitfalls of the 5.7 against the ford 5.4?

[BigAnt]

The sound. Maybe a little bit of torque down low. Get the SS and a tune.

[JET-33]

my votes gotta be for the VZ SS (VZ SSZ with the 6.0L if possible)

[csv rulz]

I havnt owned an xr8 so i cant comment, but my experiance in owning the SS for the last 6 months.

Pros:
Very comfy seats - especially over long distances
Great driving position
Tons of room and comfortably seats 5 over long distances
Plenty of power when overtaking
Easy to drive day to day - i was doing 150km + per day
Light clutch
Solid/stable on the road
Great fuel economy for the amount of power 12L/100km round town, 8.5L/100km on HWY - its only doing 1,500rpm at 100km in 6th.
Full car loads does not seem to affect the fuel economy.
No dearer to service than my old VT V6

Cons:
Typical door/window rattles for the VT-VZ body
Sloppy gear change - some people struggle to put it into the right gear
Feels like you have to wind it up to really get moving - pulls a hell of a lot stronger above 3,000rpm
Ride on 18inch rims can be very harsh at times - but i do live in the country

Overall i am very very happy with my purchase, and would not go back to a V6, considering the power you get the fuel economy is bloody great

[cashie]

Just drive them both and decide which YOU prefer.
As I have already said, I have owned 2 x XR8s, have also owned an XR6 in 03 when the BA first came out and a BF XR6T..... I have always respected the BA/BF for the great improvements Ford Aust were able to bring to market.
BUT, I would always recommend a VZ SS (either LS1 or L76) over an XR8 for many of the reasons already given.
If you do decide on a XR8, ensure it has leather and premium sound (the sports leather and dual climate prestige sound is even better) as the standard stuff looks very taxi.

[iloveholden]

my votes gotta be for the VZ SS (VZ SSZ with the 6.0L if possible)

The SSZ was only 5.7L Jet

[ratter]

Are you the same Hulk BA from the ford forums, the 1 that allready has a cammed boss 260 making 270 rwkw?

[HULK_BA]

no i am not on the ford forums as a member yet. I actually copied the login name from another forum as i have been reading many of their posts about XR8s for a while.

I have come on here due to my brother recommending i buy the ss instead.

I am 49 years old and although not technically minded about this car or the xr8 but i do like to drive nice cars and have been saving money for some time to buy this car.

I appreciate all the help so far

The biggest advantage i have discovered so far is the 2litres per 100km fuel economy advantage the holden seems better as after all we will be driving the car 30000km per year. Im just hoping its a better to drive than the xr8

[hardaz]

iv owned an xr8 and sold it for the ls1, you cant get any easy power out of the xr8. and their fuel bill is worse. i would choose the ls1 anyday mate.

heres a pic to prove

http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv352/hardaz/IMG_0554.jpg

it did look like sex though

[misterS]

There is probably room for non-technical comment...for the missus maybe.

Something I really like, even after a couple of years, is that the the Holden seat and driving position remains very comfortable. On a long trip I still find myself thinking "jeez this is comfortable".

The VZ is also a very good-looking car and so are the earlier cars in the series. You have to look around the "b" pillar when you look over your shoulder when overtaking, but is doesn't have the "a" pillar issue VE drivers have to compensate for.

Whether you like the particular look of the Ford model you are considering,
(and they got progressively less ugly) I think it is fair to say that the earlier Fords in that series do not compare with the fundamental good-looks of the Holden design.

The Monaros really exemplify the beauty of this series, but even the sedans just look nicely balanced. Every time you come back to the car to get in you think "yeah, that is a nice-looking car".

Of course, if you like driving the other one better - buy it.

[troytroy]

Since you're up in the Blue Mountains. I have the answer for you.

Get the SS and drive it straight to OZTRACK (also in Blue Mountains) and spend $500 on a tune and your fuel economy will be somehting that Xr8 drivers can only dream about and the gain in torque and power across the whole rev range will be tangibly noticeable. 6th gear might also get used....

It will be the best $500 you'll ever spend.

The on paper STOCK power and torque differences between the Ford (260kw - 500Nm) and Holden (250kw and 470Nm) is irrellevant because FORD measured power differently back then compared to Holden. which meant if measured the same way was roughly the same.

However as touched on earlier - It's the power and torque throughout the rev band that makes the diefference!!! - The Ford has only a small Torque band. Which makes it slower and harder to get off the line.

And more importantly diff ratios on Auto Ford are terrible - thus making them feel sluggish and THEY WEIGH MORE - hence slower.

[macca_779]

Since you're up in the Blue Mountains. I have the answer for you.

Get the SS and drive it straight to OZTRACK (also in Blue Mountains) and spend $500 on a tune and your fuel economy will be somehting that Xr8 drivers can only dream about and the gain in torque and power across the whole rev range will be tangibly noticeable. 6th gear might also get used....

It will be the best $500 you'll ever spend.

The on paper STOCK power and torque differences between the Ford (260kw - 500Nm) and Holden (250kw and 470Nm) is irrellevant because FORD measured power differently back then compared to Holden. which meant if measured the same way was roughly the same.

However as touched on earlier - It's the power and torque throughout the rev band that makes the diefference!!! - The Ford has only a small Torque band. Which makes it slower and harder to get off the line.

And more importantly diff ratios on Auto Ford are terrible - thus making them feel sluggish and THEY WEIGH MORE - hence slower.

VZ was when Holden started quoting DIN. I remember seeing some VZ brochures recently.

[johnmekLS1]

mate i havent read the whole thread but im sure somone has sugested the XR6 turbo. We had a BA Typhoon at work a few weeks ago and that thing was stupidly quick. The turbo is very much somthing to think about. But the SS beats the XR8 hands down.

[Torxteer]

If your leaving them stock, then really either is going to be a good car. Will come down to your personal preference of looks/feel etc. Both STOCK they are very similar in straight line performance. Both high 13 second cars.

If your looking at modding then the SS would be the way to go. The XR8 can be modded but starts to get expensive after the basics.

[dawkinsdisciple]

every single comparo I remember bw AU-BF XR8 and VT-VZ SS rated the falcon as the winner. superior suspension setup, better ergonomics and depending on model generally better gearbox kept handing it to the falcon

that said, the clubsport probably won about 50% of the fights agaainst the GT/TE/S50

logically, an SS with uprated suspension, brakes etc would probably be hard to pick over a similar specced falcon. and the GM motor responds better to mods.

seems to be falcon standard, commodore for mods

[VzSS06]

Iv got a VY SS and my mate has a BA XR8 - both manuals, he was blown away when i took him for a ride in my car by how much quicker it was. I also use around 1.5-2L less per 100km than him for similar driving.

Ive got the same type story,my VZ SS 6 litre(just a full exhaust,extractors,cats,tune) and a workmate with a BF Xr8,i took him for a drive and flattened it from standing and he couldnt beleive how my SS went.I overheard him telling someone afew days later he couldnt beleive how much harder it went than his.
He also averages up to 4 litres/100km extra fuel in just everyday driving.

[Evman]

6L VZ hands down

[iloveholden]

6L VZ hands down

Yeah pretty much what i was getting at previously :lol:

[tmob]

if your keen on the v8, go VZ no questions.
if you decide to stick with Ford, do yourself a favour and test drive a xr6T or a F6. spoil yourself tho and go for the leather seats and premium sound.
i almost bought a VZ SS 2 yrs ago, till i test drove an xr6t. still to this day I'm glad i bought the xr6t.
mind you after 2 years of a spooling turbo, its bloody music to the ears being back in a holden v8.
now just wish i could bring myself to sell the xr6t.

go on some more test drives, explore the options. you'll know it when you find "the one".....

cheers
tommy

[GTS_365]

If you hunt around you can get a 6L VZ SS cheap. Last month I picked up a black 6L vz ss for 21k drive away from a dealer. Beautiful car to drive, and the torque down low is great. IMO, don't waste your money on a ford v8.

[HULK_BA]

So the 6L seems to be the go.

Is the 6L have the same or better fuel economy to the 5.7L?

I might just stick the ford XR8 purchase on the back burner until ive explored the 6L VZ. there seems to be very few around.

[macca_779]

So the 6L seems to be the go.

Is the 6L have the same or better fuel economy to the 5.7L?

I might just stick the ford XR8 purchase on the back burner until ive explored the 6L VZ. there seems to be very few around.

It's worse. But not much worse

[VzSS06]

So the 6L seems to be the go.

Had my VZ on the dyno today,specs are L76,4spd auto,Pacey 4 into 1's,ballistic cats,dual 2.5",ziggy Otr and Oztrack tune and it pulled 264.5Kw's.

[ratter]

I'm surprised at the maturity of some of these answers, I was expecting that on a holden based forum as this to see mainly holden bias as many other posts have gone and I know the answer would be the opposite on a ford forum.

The boss is an underated engine, mainly by people that have not driven one, just read about them.
My own experience was with a BA Pursuit, sure it was the Boss 290, but slow it wasn't. 280 + rwkw with just bolt ons and tune.
Add a small convertor and some 4.1 gears and it went 12.2 driven to Heathcote race track and change to MT street radials, 11.73 at calder on slicks and with approx 100 kg removed and an extra 500 rpm in the convertor.

You need to drive both cars and pick what feels good to you, you can change either car to do what you want, but start with what feels good to you.

[HULK_BA]

i have checked on carsales. Very rare to see a 6l in a vz.

There are a few around but im worried about the km. 100,000km or thereabouts.

The xr8 i have been looking at is mint condition and 6x,000km. The is a vz 5.7 im looking at on saturday with 57,000km.

How many km is too much? I dont want to spend over $20,000 on a car to give me issue etc.

[1BEAST2NV]

just make sure its got a FSH with it..

100k is fine so-long as its been looked after, thats average ks (25,000 a year)

obviously less k's is better :)

I personally dont think there's a whole lot of difference between the 5.7 and 6ltr (but thats just my opinion)

good luck with your search :goodjob:

[charlie15]

It depends on the year of manufacture, I'd like it to have done at most 10,000 -15,000kms per year. I just bought an 04 monaro with 38,000 on the clock and couldn't be happier.

[HULK_BA]

one of the reasons why it must be a manual is im trying to avoid the ex police cars. They really thrash them.

I dont think they used Xr8 as police cars? About 50% of the vz ss available are ex pursuit cars.

1 police km = 50 normal km.

[Kuzman89]

one of the reasons why it must be a manual is im trying to avoid the ex police cars. They really thrash them.

I dont think they used Xr8 as police cars? About 50% of the vz ss available are ex pursuit cars.

1 police km = 50 normal km.

Then don't buy an ex police car????

F**k, seems like you have already made up your mind, no doubt this is a trolling thread trying to convince us all the Ba is somehow better.

Both different cars, you will love either, Holden to me will always have the better 8, but thats just one factor.

EDIT: yeah he's trollin, a quick search of the ford forums shows a few threads boss against the ls1. He's not interested in an xr6t because he already has/had one. noob

[HULK_BA]

the last post doesnt really add much to this discussion. I am not the same user as the ford forums character. Read my previous post on this.

Im just trying to justify either the purchase of the XR8 or the SS. Both have their pros cons.

Please keep the discussion on topic. Thankyou for your responces, they have been helpful. As I said, I dont know much about these cars and trying to read and find out as much as possible.

[GODSMACK]

EDIT: yeah he's trollin, a quick search of the ford forums shows a few threads boss against the ls1. He's not interested in an xr6t because he already has/had one. noob


The fact he joined in Feb 2010 and his first thread was a Ford v Holden thread gave it away along time ago.

[HULK_BA]

That is not nice.

I have a $250 deposit on a xr8 but im willing to forgo it if i can find a better car. My brother has pointed out the VZ SS and i would like to explore this further.

Hence this thread is about the VZ ss and its shortcomings and advantages over the BA XR8 which I have a deposit on.

I really appreciate the help but dont understand why some are hostile? Isnt this a community to share our points of view in a helpful way?

Allen

[Evman]

L98, 224/228 cam, over 300rwkw just about every time in both auto and manual. Nothing more needs to be said.

[HULK_BA]

there is definite good arguments in favour of the holden engine. I will be armed with a bit more info when test driving.

there are some people on here a little hostile, please point out how i offended anyone.

[VzSS06]

1 police km = 50 normal km.

Fk me that means mines got 3,500,000 kms on the clock and still going!!!! Im gonna go log into Ford forums now and see if i can find the equivalent thread on there

[HULK_BA]

i went to a place on parramatta road famous for selling ex police cars.

I couldnt beleive the condition. He had a xr6 turbo and many ve ss ex police cars, described as "as new" condition on carsales website.

When i arrive, scratches on the dash, freyed seats, drill holes in roof, boot and dash, marked paint everywhere. But only 52,000km. It was incredible how bad the condition was. I couldnt do that damage even if i tried on purpose. I was going to say was this car vandalised?

Obviously i did exaggerate my comment 1 police km = 50 normal km.

But the ratio is realistically 1 police km= 4 normal km. Im just turned off because i saw the condition they were in.

The VE was out of my price range but I would not pay $20,000 for the ve that i saw. It also had the 6l v8. They were asking $29k

[Kuzman89]

The fact he joined in Feb 2010 and his first thread was a Ford v Holden thread gave it away along time ago.

haha, he even talks the same if you read his threads on ford forums :rofl:

[Kuzman89]

Fk me that means mines got 3,500,000 kms on the clock and still going!!!! Im gonna go log into Ford forums now and see if i can find the equivalent thread on there

Yeah basically, the holden motors are good for 10,000,000km's haha

[HULK_BA]

thankyou for your help.

Im going through carsales. 6l are very scarce.

I didnt know it was an offence to compare one car against another? Some of you are helpful and mature and the rest of you are obviously p-platers

[VzSS06]

Ok i went through the same thing as you are now but about 18 months ago,i was a ford guy before,looked at XR8's,XR6 turbos,Calais,SS',HSV's and in the end i went the VZ SS due to the fact it had the 6 litre but also because at the time the VY SS was only slightly cheaper if not the same where i was looking,i did see some very nice XR8's and XR6 turbos however they were 5 grand dearer at the time.
A mate put it into perspective for me,he said it doesnt matter which car you buy,because they will all be nice!!!

[255-LS1]

drive both on the same day, which ever one makes you go ooohhhh when you look sit in it and drive it is the one, regardless of all other things, you buy a car like this to enjoy dont worry what everyone else thinks. drive them both close to each other and you'll know which one it is

cheers

[cashie]

Have you test driven a VZ SS yet, either LS1 or L76?
Let us all know what you think after the drive....

[bok1]

seems you live up the blue mountains i can take you in a e2 clubby for a run and show you how well a v8 goes from the holden brand.

phil

[HULK_BA]

seems you live up the blue mountains i can take you in a e2 clubby for a run and show you how well a v8 goes from the holden brand.

phil

That would be great.

I intend to drive both back to back this weekend and hopefully make a decision. I will report back as to my views.

My birthday is on 19th February so hope to have a nice V8 gift before then. (Turning 50)

[mickeyVX350]

Mate, your mind is made up! Just do it! Stop wasting carbon credits on the argument. You put a deposit on a Ford, we tell you we aren't a fan, and on you go! Seriously, pick what YOU want, not what OTHER PEOPLE want!!!

As for the twat with the ratio of Police K's, and the Odometer Police, get a life! I guess I messd up buying a 6 with 180K and no FSH!!! 100K later it's still going, by all logic it should have exploded!

Pick the car you want, make up your mind, and don't look for someone to blame if you don't liike the choice you make. The time has come to man up! (PS.. I had lots of beer!)

[FlatfootV8]

Mate, your mind is made up! Just do it! Stop wasting carbon credits on the argument. You put a deposit on a Ford, we tell you we aren't a fan, and on you go! Seriously, pick what YOU want, not what OTHER PEOPLE want!!!

As for the twat with the ratio of Police K's, and the Odometer Police, get a life! I guess I messd up buying a 6 with 180K and no FSH!!! 100K later it's still going, by all logic it should have exploded!

Pick the car you want, make up your mind, and don't look for someone to blame if you don't liike the choice you make. The time has come to man up! (PS.. I had lots of beer!)


Ahh good ol beer sometimes it helps to get the point across without the BS. :)

I said sometimes. ;)

Its the next day that hurts.

[GODSMACK]

Yeah basically, the holden motors are good for 10,000,000km's haha

My VE just reached 10,000,000 kms, and my first service reminder just popped up!! Fricken sensational kms between services i must say!!!

[VzSS06]

As for the twat with the ratio of Police K's, and the Odometer Police, get a life! I guess I messd up buying a 6 with 180K and no FSH!!! 100K later it's still going, by all logic it should have exploded!)

What you talking bout Willis?

[255-LS1]

seems you live up the blue mountains i can take you in a e2 clubby for a run and show you how well a v8 goes from the holden brand.

phil

dont do it, other wise you will want a LS3, i guarantee it! :lol:

[Kuzman89]

As for the twat with the ratio of Police K's, and the Odometer Police, get a life! I guess I messd up buying a 6 with 180K and no FSH!!! 100K later it's still going, by all logic it should have exploded!



You mean this twat?


one of the reasons why it must be a manual is im trying to avoid the ex police cars. They really thrash them.

I dont think they used Xr8 as police cars? About 50% of the vz ss available are ex pursuit cars.

1 police km = 50 normal km.

Just thought I'd post up a few more of his comparison 'threads' on the ford forums :1peek:

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11279586&page=1&pp=25&highlight=HULK_BA

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11287126&highlight=hulk+ba



:rofl: He already owns he Ba, heck look at his name HULK BA lol??

[mickeyVX350]

Oops... I guess I could have been a little more diplomatic!

I think my point was that this conversation seems to be going 'round and 'round!

Obviously the OP hasn't got out there and tested the 2 products, has put a deposit on the Ford, and is just looking for someone to blame when he thinks that he chose the wrong one. He is leaning toward the Ford but wants us to tell him what is so great about LSx's. If he gives in and buys one, the first time he has any iota of doubt, or something goes wrong he is going to say "F(*ken Holden piece of s(*t, stupid B(*tards on the internet telling me these things are good.. blah blah blah - never touch another Holden, blah blah'

[Wonky]

You mean this twat?



Just thought I'd post up a few more of his comparison 'threads' on the ford forums :1peek:

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11279586&page=1&pp=25&highlight=HULK_BA

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=11287126&highlight=hulk+ba



:rofl: He already owns he Ba, heck look at his name HULK BA lol??

I can't be farked looking at Ford forums but this HULK BA has already explained at least twice in here that he is not the HULK BA on the Ford forum!! :weirdo:

[FlatfootV8]

I can't be farked looking at Ford forums but this HULK BA has already explained at least twice in here that he is not the HULK BA on the Ford forum!! :weirdo:

I had a quick squiz but I almost fell asleep was like arguing with my one eyed idiot ford loving family.

:rofl:

[Kuzman89]

I can't be farked looking at Ford forums but this HULK BA has already explained at least twice in here that he is not the HULK BA on the Ford forum!! :weirdo:

Yeah and pigs fly haha

[VzSS06]

Have a read of this for a good laugh
http://autospeed.com/cms/title_Caming-the-Boss-260/A_2758/article.html

[tyrhantc]

I can't be farked looking at Ford forums but this HULK BA has already explained at least twice in here that he is not the HULK BA on the Ford forum!! :weirdo:

Yeah Wonks don't know about that...2 HULK BA's both asking about the difference between BOSS' and LS1's. Me thinks me smells a fish.

[justin_d]

Have a read of this for a good laugh
http://autospeed.com/cms/title_Caming-the-Boss-260/A_2758/article.html

Got to admit that I didn't know whether to laugh or punch the computer.

[VzSS06]

Got to admit that I didn't know whether to laugh or punch the computer.
Shurely you wouldn't buy a Boss 260 after reading that

[justin_d]

Surely you wouldn't buy one to begin with! I found it frustrating that the article dissed a superior motor. :soap:

[VzSS06]

Some people never let the truth get in the way of a good story

[Evman]

Autospeed is the biggest load of crap. I mean, I am one-eyed to a point but Autospeed is 10 times worse than me or most other members. Any chance they get they rubbish Holden.

To the point that to review a Holden they have to go out and hire one because Holden now refuses to give them car to test :lmao:

[HULK_BA]

well i test drove the vz ss and the ba xr8 today and here are my observations.

Vz ss: it feels like the gears are very long. You rev it out thinking your up near the red line and there is another 1000rpm to go. Just cruising around in say 4th gear it doesnt seem very torquey. When the revs are up theres no doubting its got some straight line go. It feels like its a more flexible engine and more linear in its power delivery. Its more usable over wider range of revs than the 5.4. I would say it doesnt have the top end sting of the boss but it would have higher average power over wider range of revs.

Ba xr8: more of the same. Up top it feels like it has plenty power but just cruising about in 4th gear etc it doesnt seem very torquey. It feels like it has more punch up top compared to the holden but doesnt follow through, just hits the rev limiter. Out of the power zone its a little dissappointing, sounds nice but not really going until 4000rpm. Also the steering is heavy. Its like you need a heavy vehicles license to drive one. Under 4000rpm i think the 5.7 is better but over 4000rpm i think it has more punch. It just doesnt punch for long enough through.

I think both cars standard arnt really overly exciting in standard form. It feels like you need a long open road to enjoy them. Between traffic lights they dont feel too exciting. it feels like they both need a set of diff gears and a tune to lift the torque down low.

Im confused about which to buy.

[VZWPN]

VZ SS is the obvious choice

[Swordie]

I'd take an XR6T for a test drive. Coming from a six with good power (BA) you probably will not feel a big jump in power when driving a stock V8. The Ford six is a great motor.

[iloveholden]

well i test drove the vz ss and the ba xr8 today and here are my observations.

Vz ss: it feels like the gears are very long. You rev it out thinking your up near the red line and there is another 1000rpm to go. Just cruising around in say 4th gear it doesnt seem very torquey. When the revs are up theres no doubting its got some straight line go. It feels like its a more flexible engine and more linear in its power delivery. Its more usable over wider range of revs than the 5.4. I would say it doesnt have the top end sting of the boss but it would have higher average power over wider range of revs.

Ba xr8: more of the same. Up top it feels like it has plenty power but just cruising about in 4th gear etc it doesnt seem very torquey. It feels like it has more punch up top compared to the holden but doesnt follow through, just hits the rev limiter. Out of the power zone its a little dissappointing, sounds nice but not really going until 4000rpm. Also the steering is heavy. Its like you need a heavy vehicles license to drive one. Under 4000rpm i think the 5.7 is better but over 4000rpm i think it has more punch. It just doesnt punch for long enough through.

I think both cars standard arnt really overly exciting in standard form. It feels like you need a long open road to enjoy them. Between traffic lights they dont feel too exciting. it feels like they both need a set of diff gears and a tune to lift the torque down low.

Im confused about which to buy.

VZ SS is the choice from that mate....reason why is you dont seem happy enough with both cars in stock form so therefore some mods will be required in the future once a car is purchased. The LS1 has a much larger range of affordable mods imo an exhaust, OTR and Tune and the car turns into a different animal, if you want to push it further a CAM change will make 260-285rwkw in the SS and the change is a hell of a lot cheaper than the BOSS.

Thats my opinion anyway.

[clubbie]

well i test drove the vz ss and the ba xr8 today and here are my observations.

Vz ss: it feels like the gears are very long. You rev it out thinking your up near the red line and there is another 1000rpm to go. Just cruising around in say 4th gear it doesnt seem very torquey. When the revs are up theres no doubting its got some straight line go. It feels like its a more flexible engine and more linear in its power delivery. Its more usable over wider range of revs than the 5.4. I would say it doesnt have the top end sting of the boss but it would have higher average power over wider range of revs.

Ba xr8: more of the same. Up top it feels like it has plenty power but just cruising about in 4th gear etc it doesnt seem very torquey. It feels like it has more punch up top compared to the holden but doesnt follow through, just hits the rev limiter. Out of the power zone its a little dissappointing, sounds nice but not really going until 4000rpm. Also the steering is heavy. Its like you need a heavy vehicles license to drive one. Under 4000rpm i think the 5.7 is better but over 4000rpm i think it has more punch. It just doesnt punch for long enough through.

I think both cars standard arnt really overly exciting in standard form. It feels like you need a long open road to enjoy them. Between traffic lights they dont feel too exciting. it feels like they both need a set of diff gears and a tune to lift the torque down low.

Im confused about which to buy.

Which 6 speed gearbox did you reckon was better to use?

Did you make that up?

or did you read it on the internet or a magazine?

[macca_779]

VZ SS is the choice from that mate....reason why is you dont seem happy enough with both cars in stock form so therefore some mods will be required in the future once a car is purchased. The LS1 has a much larger range of affordable mods imo an exhaust, OTR and Tune and the car turns into a different animal, if you want to push it further a CAM change will make 260-285rwkw in the SS and the change is a hell of a lot cheaper than the BOSS.

Thats my opinion anyway.

Is everyone forgetting that the Fords can be tuned too. After tune only the Holdens start to become more affordable for larger mods, like a cam, heads and so on. But you'll get 260-270rwkw out of a BOSS tune only. Just something to keep in mind.

[HULK_BA]

Which 6 speed gearbox did you reckon was better to use?

Did you make that up?

or did you read it on the internet or a magazine?


I thought the 6spds felt good in their own way. I had no complaints about the holden, Ford also. I thought the ford felt a little more notchy to be honest but it could be the particular car.

My account is followin my visit to a private buyer for the SS and shortly after I drove another Xr8 but at Car city at Mitchinbury.

Im not a fan of the XR6 turbo, I want a V8. Im a little old school.

[macca_779]

Im not a fan of the XR6 turbo, I want a V8. Im a little old school.

Thats why I'm in a Holden and not a Ford. The 6T is a better engine than both the Holden and Ford V8's. But I, like you, prefer V8's and the Holden one appealed to me more because of its mod potential.

[Kuzman89]

Is everyone forgetting that the Fords can be tuned too. After tune only the Holdens start to become more affordable for larger mods, like a cam, heads and so on. But you'll get 260-270rwkw out of a BOSS tune only. Just something to keep in mind.

:confused: Boss 260kw engine getting 260-270rwkw just after a tune??

[Evman]

Is everyone forgetting that the Fords can be tuned too. After tune only the Holdens start to become more affordable for larger mods, like a cam, heads and so on. But you'll get 260-270rwkw out of a BOSS tune only. Just something to keep in mind.

And then develop a harmonic in the oil pump gears and send some wonderful metal fragments through the oil supply :lol:

[Torxteer]

:confused: Boss 260kw engine getting 260-270rwkw just after a tune??

Would be talking the 290 Boss with those figures.

[ratter]

have seen 260,s go 250-260 rwkw with bolt ons and tune, my own 290 went 280 with tune and bolt ons (a4 auto) and when raced was spun to 7000 with no dramas with oil pump gears, maybe I was lucky

[Kuzman89]

Would be talking the 290 Boss with those figures.

Still doubt that very much. Stock you are looking at around 220rwkw right?

[macca_779]

Still doubt that very much. Stock you are looking at around 220rwkw right?

They're held back alot more than the equivalent Holdens. No knock sensors on them remember.

[HULK_BA]

In my reading on the ford forums, i see that standard xr8s are around 200kw at wheels and with a special tune and exhaust they can make upto 260kw at wheels.

The holdens 5.7 seem to make around 230kw at wheels with tune and exhaust.they need a cam also to achieve those 260kw and beyond. On the flip side, the holden has less weight to push around.

The 6l seems to make more power with tunes and exhaust like the 5.4l

Correct me if i am wrong.

[Kuzman89]

In my reading on the ford forums, i see that standard xr8s are around 200kw at wheels and with a special tune and exhaust they can make upto 260kw at wheels.
.

So you are HULK_BA on the ford forums then :)

60rwkw from a tune and exhaust, sorry you are all dreaming.

[macca_779]

So you are HULK_BA on the ford forums then :)

60rwkw from a tune and exhaust, sorry you are all dreaming.

Mate thats what they get. Do the research yourself. They still dont go that quick though.

[VZWPN]

the almighty kws might go up... but does the all important torque go up by much?

[ratter]

Not trying to detract from the original subject, but just mentioning some facts

My 290 auto made 223 rwkw stock on my mainline, after fitting extractors and full system, under drives, cold air box, larger throttle body and then tuning made 280 on the same dyno or 290's on another brand of dyno.

I did a manual GT the other day and was surprissed at the starting point, 266 rwkw allready had extractors and system, underdrives, and cold air box, after tuning it went 280's

I have seen 250-260 from the 260's with bolt ons and tunes

[ratter]

Mate thats what they get. Do the research yourself. They still dont go that quick though.

Depending on what gets done and how they get set up, some cars have gone 11's, others will go 12's

[macca_779]

the almighty kws might go up... but does the all important torque go up by much?

Yeah it does.

[VZWPN]

why do they still suck arse then?

[ratter]

because taste is an idividual thing and some people are brain washed that you either have to like Ford or like Holden, when people are like this there will always be 1 eyed views.

:)

[macca_779]

Depending on what gets done and how they get set up, some cars have gone 11's, others will go 12's

That's true. But generally the same power in a commodore is usually quicker.
Still lots of ignorance on this fourm to what a BOSS can do. I always point out the heads to people. Often people rave about the L92 Heads. Look at a BOSS head. It shits all over it

[ratter]

totally correct in what you say, but I think a lot of it has to do with the extra weight, not making excuses as we all choose our weapons we use and have to put up with what we choose.

[macca_779]

totally correct in what you say, but I think a lot of it has to do with the extra weight, not making excuses as we all choose our weapons we use and have to put up with what we choose.

Everyone I've driven just doesn't hook up that well either. They pull hard once they get going and you can look at the MPH they pull to show it. I think the rear end in standard form is just a little to hardly sprung. Not bad in the twisties like that. But then the front end weight just ruins what good work the rear end is doing.. Hence I like the 6-T as it does it all well :). Bring on the 5.0L. She'll be a weapon.

[ratter]

The boss motor does suffer from the iron block, an aluminium one would have been better, but I think we are getting too far off topic.
:)

[HULK_BA]

So you are HULK_BA on the ford forums then :)
.

For the 5.7th time, i am not hulk_ba from the ford forums. If i was, wouldnt I just admit it? What would be the repercussion? A public flogging?

I also read the ford forums and have tried to join as a member but i have not received any validation email as yet. I have used the hulk ba name as ive read many of this persons threads on the ford forum.

Having driven both cars, im not sure wether to try save up for the 6l v8. But i would have liked a shiny new car on or before by 50th birthday this coming week

[Kuzman89]

yep :jerk:

[1BEAST2NV]

dont mean to be a smart arse, but why would you want the same user name as someone else??

back on topic, I'd go the SS over the BA, only thing the ford has going for it is nicer interior, but the ss wins hands down for looks and performance.

[cashie]

Mate thats what they get. Do the research yourself. They still dont go that quick though.

Obviously my two were tuned by the wrong workshops then... :1peek:
260 at the wheels sounds a bit on the high side, maybe on a happy dyno.

However my XR6T did make that sort of power:

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd309/cashie5/DynoAFRatioA.jpg

[macca_779]

Obviously my two were tuned by the wrong workshops then... :1peek:
260 at the wheels sounds a bit on the high side, maybe on a happy dyno.

However my XR6T did make that sort of power:

http://i223.photobucket.com/albums/dd309/cashie5/DynoAFRatioA.jpg

Obviously. Not to unexpected though. There is alot more involved in tuning their controllers. The GM stuff is easy by comparison thank god

[GODSMACK]

For the 5.7th time, i am not hulk_ba from the ford forums. If i was, wouldnt I just admit it? What would be the repercussion? A public flogging?



:jerk: ... same name, threads re: ford v holden, same writing style etc etc...

Same username must be a coincidence too right?

[HULK_BA]

wouldnt i just admit it if i was? I used that user name as i was just reading the ford hulk_bas posts. I tried a few other hulk names on here but they were taken. So i used this name. Have i broken any law? Again i was reading ford forums and placed a $250 deposit on a ba xr8 before i joined here. I joined here as my brother amongst others told me to explore the vz ss instead.

on topic, i cannot find any vz 6.0 ss that is not a police car. I dont really want to settle for a sv8.

[GODSMACK]

wouldnt i just admit it if i was? I used that user name as i was just reading the ford hulk_bas posts. I tried a few other hulk names on here but they were taken. So i used this name. Have i broken any law? Again i was reading ford forums and placed a $250 deposit on a ba xr8 before i joined here. I joined here as my brother amongst others told me to explore the vz ss instead.

on topic, i cannot find any vz 6.0 ss that is not a police car. I dont really want to settle for a sv8.

Obviously not.. The only one your kidding is yourself... here is another for you ---> :jerk:

BTW, how long is this mystery BA XR8 owner willing to hold your $250 deposit while you troll forums pretending like your actually considering to buy a Holden? very patient seller indeed!!! here, have yet another one ---> :jerk:

why not just give him the remaining $250 and drive off with your BA?

[FlatfootV8]

Obviously not.. The only one your kidding is yourself... here is another for you ---> :jerk:

BTW, how long is this mystery BA XR8 owner willing to hold your $250 deposit while you troll forums pretending like your actually considering to buy a Holden? very patient seller indeed!!! here, have yet another one ---> :jerk:

why not just give him the remaining $250 and drive off with your BA?


I come to the conclusion that some Ford fans must be so bored with their Ford product that they come to a Holden forum to fire up a shit storm just for some entertainment...

[GODSMACK]

I come to the conclusion that some Ford fans must be so bored with their Ford product that they come to a Holden forum to fire up a shit storm just for some entertainment...

Both his FF threads quoted earlier in this thread have been closed... Im amazed this one is still running... Clearly a troll...

[HULK_BA]

im sorry if i have upset anyone. I am legitimate in trying to buy the best product i can afford.

I thank the many that have given mature insight into both xr8 and ss.

I dont understand the hostility off some on here. I post respectively and i intend to be a member of this forum even if i proceed to buy the xr8.

I would think that we are like minded people who enjoy cars. Again im sorry if anything i have posted has upset anyone.

[mmm]

you've had 10 pages of responses now in the past week
you're not going to learn anymore from here
time to shit or get off the pot
what did / are you going to buy ?

[GODSMACK]

you've had 10 pages of responses now in the past week
you're not going to learn anymore from here
time to shit or get off the pot
what did / are you going to buy ?

He has already put down a 50% deposit on a BA ($250).. He's just saving up the other half now....

[HULK_BA]

it would be nice to receive 10 pages of quality responses and not the hostility that some bring. Unfortunately some people on here are very immature in their replies. Can somebody please point out why some people are hostile on here? why do they fail to accept my questions on face value?

I have placed $250 deposit on a ba xr8 which i am supposed to collect on thursday 18th feb. In the meantime i am trying to find a 6L holden but not a police car for obvious reasons. I may just forgo the $250 deposit if need be as the consensus is the 6l is the better engine than ford 5.4 or holdens 5.7.

[Drewie]

My personal opinion is the BA2 XR8 is the better looking car out of the two cars you are considering, looks more aggressive and perhaps a bit more modern in appearance, but just my personal preference others may not agree.
I have not driven either so can't comment on the performance/comfort side of it, just an opinion from reading about the two is that the XR8 probably is a bit more of a cruiser and probably a fairly nice daily driver, where as the VZ SS might be a bit more gruntier and hard edged, more so the 6 litre, another thing to consider if you go the 6 litre is that the VZ has the L76 with the DOD lifters that are not activated and a few have had issues with them, not a lot but still something to consider or research. If you like the XR8 stick with it, still a very nice car, really nothing wrong with either, some people get too hung up on that one is a tenth of a second quicker here and there, does it really matter for a road car.

[Kuzman89]

He has already put down a 50% deposit on a BA ($250).. He's just saving up the other half now....

:lmao: Going to take him awhile with all the trolling he's got going on.

[VZMY06SS]

I drive a VZ SS 6L and I wouldn't even consider a BA XR8. IMHO the L76 is a vastly superior engine in stock form, and even more so with modifications. The seats and interior of a BA have nothing on that of the VZ (and VT-VY) interior with the seating position detracting from the BA's appeal as a cruiser. I'm around 6'2 and anything more than an hour trip in the back of a BA and I'm in need of a strech. Not so in the VZ.
I think that either car has great looks, depending on your taste.

Although this is a Holden forum, my comments are from my own experience and without bias. In the end though, it doesn't matter what a bunch of guys on the internet reckon, as long as you are happy with your purchase.

Good luck with whatever you choose!

Steve

[REBinc]

I don't see how you can pass on the VZ.

[hRTHSV]

To many pages to read, the XR8 can't match the SS on fuel economy. If you want to buy a Ford buy a XR6T they are far better get similar economy to the SS and don't understeer round roundabouts like the XR8.

[macca_779]

To many pages to read, the XR8 can't match the SS on fuel economy. If you want to buy a Ford buy a XR6T they are far better get similar economy to the SS and don't understeer round roundabouts like the XR8.

I wonder how they go for economy tuned. After all they are a smaller more efficient engine on paper.

[VzSS06]

In the meantime i am trying to find a 6L holden but not a police car for obvious reasons.

Which are??? Im very happy with my ex police L76,there were no so called Holes allover the dash(like you mentioned) as there are people who plastic weld them up before you buy them,is my car going to fall apart by 100k km's???

[deans ute]

i've owned a VZ monaro and also BF II XR8, both nice cars, both 6M.
the 5.7 monaro was a lot quicker off the mark than the XR, the XR, once it wound up..say 3000rpm, it is a completely different car,great fun, i swear the 5.4 just feels like its got turbo lag.
I can't tell you how the VZSS would ride but i'd imagine it's not much different to than the monaro was, great seats,steering nice feel & feed back were as the XR was very comfortable, great highway car, just a dream to drive on freeways, felt like it floated along, felt a bit flighty pushing it into corners fast...but it was just too average for me, unless you put a set of rims on it, lower it maybe an exhaust it just wasn't exciting at all, lots of them around.
I'd honestly go a turbo before the 8 again, but the V8 noise IS contagious. If you get a test drive of the both of them, the SS should be instant excitement, just make sure you get the XR a 'top end' chance to prove itself, cause its good fun once its in its powerband.

But as others have said, your choice, enjoy whatever toy you decide on.

[macca_779]

Which are??? Im very happy with my ex police L76,there were no so called Holes allover the dash(like you mentioned) as there are people who plastic weld them up before you buy them,is my car going to fall apart by 100k km's???

I know enough cops to know that I wouldn't touch one. Absolutely raped they are. You'll find a few guy in the job on here that may add to that. :)

[HULK_BA]

I drive a VZ SS 6L and I wouldn't even consider a BA XR8. IMHO the L76 is a vastly superior engine in stock form, and even more so with modifications. The seats and interior of a BA have nothing on that of the VZ (and VT-VY) interior with the seating position detracting from the BA's appeal as a cruiser. I'm around 6'2 and anything more than an hour trip in the back of a BA and I'm in need of a strech. Not so in the VZ.
I think that either car has great looks, depending on your taste.

Although this is a Holden forum, my comments are from my own experience and without bias. In the end though, it doesn't matter what a bunch of guys on the internet reckon, as long as you are happy with your purchase.

Good luck with whatever you choose!

Steve


Thanks steve, thats the type of response i was hoping for. You raise valid points.

I think overall the ford 5.4 is better than the gen 3 5.7 but the holden 6.0 is better than both. Steve is right.

But im not sure if i can afford a 6.0 ss vz. People want closer to $30k for them. Im looking for one but i dont want an ex police, i saw a ve ss that was ex police and a bf xr6t that was ex police and they were terrible condition. Turned me off completely.

Anyone on here have a vz ss 6.0 manual for sale?

[hRTHSV]

I know enough cops to know that I wouldn't touch one. Absolutely raped they are. You'll find a few guy in the job on here that may add to that. :)

Police car either never driven one of mine like you drive one of those plenty of threads on that.


I wonder how they go for economy tuned. After all they are a smaller more efficient engine on paper.

I thought the same however after speaking to Herrod about this very subject he said because they don't have the torque down low (an issue with bore and stroke apparently) that's were the lose in economy.

Having driven many thousands of km's in both if you want a Holden buy the VZ SS if you want a Ford don't buy the XR8 buy the XR6T gruntier down low uses less fuel but looses out to XR8 on top end.

[banarcus]

I've had both a VY LS1 and a BA2 XR8. The Holden was an auto and very healthy stock SV8 and the Ford was a proven healthier 5.4L than most other XR8s and it was a 6 speed manual.

-If it is grunt, then it is even stevens.
-If it is sound, a bellowing Boss motor sounds similar to my old VR V8, sounds great.
-If it is handling, the Holden FE2 is great and sharp but rough on the bumps. The Ford, ploughs into corners, giving the outside front a hard time although if driven normally, smooth ride if a little on the pillowy side of things.
-If it is modability? then the Holden is great here, just like the SBC and SBF in the states, there is a great supply of aftermarket goodies for the LS1. Cheap too. Ford stuff is expensive.
-If it is styling, well that is subjective, both external and internal. I found the Ford interior to be a tad classier but that is against a poor mans SV8. Go with what you like here.
-Ford handbrake was poo and I had to get the timing chain tensioners done under warranty but this wont be a problem for you.
-Holden central locking problems caused me much frustration, damned door lock plungers.

Both cars were great, but again, it is not all about the motor, it's the overall package. Compared these to my old VR Statesman? Give me the Statesman for low down torque any day........

[ratter]

My wifes stock BA XR6T compared to my Stock Boss 290, the 260 would be down even lower as compared to the 290

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j216/ratter11/Xr6t_Vs_290_boss.jpg

[cashie]

Thanks steve, thats the type of response i was hoping for. You raise valid points.

I think overall the ford 5.4 is better than the gen 3 5.7 but the holden 6.0 is better than both. Steve is right.

But im not sure if i can afford a 6.0 ss vz. People want closer to $30k for them. Im looking for one but i dont want an ex police, i saw a ve ss that was ex police and a bf xr6t that was ex police and they were terrible condition. Turned me off completely.

Anyone on here have a vz ss 6.0 manual for sale?

To re-cover my last 3 posts:

Having owned 2 Boss 260 engined XR8s and 4 LS1 engined Holdens I can tell you that I have found over many 1,000s of kms of driving and ownership that the LS1 is a far better engine in every day driving.
The Boss is frustrating, just when it comes on song it pegs the redline... no where near as flexible as an LS1, especially an LS1 with a $500 mail order tune... Fuel economy on the LS1 is about 2l/100kms better too.
If you buy a Boss engined Ford budget to do some suspension work, the weight of that engine over the front axle impacts the handling in a major way. Test drive your deposit car quickly through a roundabout (rapid direction/weight change on the front end) to feel what I am saying... Also get a 6 speed manual to try to drive in the power band of the Boss.

[cashie]

My wifes stock BA XR6T compared to my Stock Boss 290, the 260 would be down even lower as compared to the 290


XR6T down about 20kW and up about 50NM, but the power is higher everywhere up to about 4400rpm, about how my XR6T felt on the road too, plenty of midrange torque that my XR8 didn't have (and maybe the LS1 too).. :)

[rgmast]

:sux: just go buy a Ford

:closed:

[alto]

agreed. go the xr8

[VzSS06]

I know enough cops to know that I wouldn't touch one. Absolutely raped they are. You'll find a few guy in the job on here that may add to that. :)

Fk i better go trade it in for a BA XR8 then

[ratter]

Another chart showing the torque and derived torque

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j216/ratter11/290Vs6T.jpg

[Kuzman89]

Wonder if the 5.0l will be alot better? Those charts look pretty good, shows the Ba 8 has alot more up the top. Would you say your 290 is faster??

[ratter]

Standard car I beleive it was faster, but a tune on the turbo and they will beat a lot of cars.

A standard turbo is not a weapon as a lot of people think, but so easy to get power out of them and the midrange once boosted harder can not normally be matched by an NA 8 (there will always be exceptions though :bow: )

[Kuzman89]

Standard car I beleive it was faster, but a tune on the turbo and they will beat a lot of cars.

A standard turbo is not a weapon as a lot of people think, but so easy to get power out of them and the midrange once boosted harder can not normally be matched by an NA 8 (there will always be exceptions though :bow: )

Is the reliability good on modded turbo 6's compared to an NA 8? What do you prefer to drive? Soon as I get off my p's I'll be wanting something with abit more power.

[HULK_BA]

To re-cover my last 3 posts:

Having owned 2 Boss 260 engined XR8s and 4 LS1 engined Holdens I can tell you that I have found over many 1,000s of kms of driving and ownership that the LS1 is a far better engine in every day driving.
The Boss is frustrating, just when it comes on song it pegs the redline... no where near as flexible as an LS1, especially an LS1 with a $500 mail order tune... Fuel economy on the LS1 is about 2l/100kms better too.
If you buy a Boss engined Ford budget to do some suspension work, the weight of that engine over the front axle impacts the handling in a major way. Test drive your deposit car quickly through a roundabout (rapid direction/weight change on the front end) to feel what I am saying... Also get a 6 speed manual to try to drive in the power band of the Boss.

Thankyou for your reply. Probably the most helpful post in this thread.

I did drive 2 holdens on sunday. They were out of my price range but i just took them for a drive. 1st car was a monaro v3 6 spd manual. I think it was 260kw. It went ok, built up a nice head of steam. Similar to the vz ss i drove. But it was a little lazy lugging about in the wrong gear.

The second car i drive was a 297kw vz clubsport but it was auto. Boy did that have some grunt, low end and it basically exploded in a rage once the revs climbed 4000rpm. It actually broke traction when i pushed it into the top revs. It was like a bullet in a straight line, made the monaro feel very slow.

Would the 6l vz ss behave the same? Would it be the same difference over the 5.7 vz ss?

Im definately loving the 6l if it was the same as the 297 version. Im just not sure if we can afford one.

[ratter]

A lot of it depends on how far you push the power and to what sort of service life the car has had.

Quite a few turbos are starting to come apart recently as a lot of younger drivers are getting hold of them as they become cheaper and they want to push big power and the cars may have done quite a few klms.

If I was to buy 1, I would be looking for a stock car and with a good service record and as little klms as possible, but of course you pay more for a car with less klms.
A BF produces better gains and also a later BF has stronger internals to handle a bit more power.

[macca_779]

Thankyou for your reply. Probably the most helpful post in this thread.

I did drive 2 holdens on sunday. They were out of my price range but i just took them for a drive. 1st car was a monaro v3 6 spd manual. I think it was 260kw. It went ok, built up a nice head of steam. Similar to the vz ss i drove. But it was a little lazy lugging about in the wrong gear.

The second car i drive was a 297kw vz clubsport but it was auto. Boy did that have some grunt, low end and it basically exploded in a rage once the revs climbed 4000rpm. It actually broke traction when i pushed it into the top revs. It was like a bullet in a straight line, made the monaro feel very slow.

Would the 6l vz ss behave the same? Would it be the same difference over the 5.7 vz ss?

Im definately loving the 6l if it was the same as the 297 version. Im just not sure if we can afford one.

The power differential you've just experienced is more or less in the tune. The VZ LS2 pulls strong because its a bigger motor and its got a better tune being a HSV. A VZ L76 wont be as strong, but tune it and it will be stronger everywhere. Hell that goes for LS1's too.

[HULK_BA]

so is the ford 5.4 with the equivalent tune a no contest for the tuned 5.7 or 6l?

Should i just forgo my deposit on the ba xr8?

I will most likely get at least the tune on whatever car i get even for the fuel economy benefits.

[macca_779]

so is the ford 5.4 with the equivalent tune a no contest for the tuned 5.7 or 6l?

Should i just forgo my deposit on the ba xr8?

I will most likely get at least the tune on whatever car i get even for the fuel economy benefits.

The Ford will make more power tuned over a tuned 5.7 and be around as quick. A tuned 6L though will be quicker..

[cashie]

Should i just forgo my deposit on the ba xr8? YES



Are you reading my posts... :)

[ratter]

A couple of questions

Do you want a race car or do you want a nice street car - it pretty much does not matter about the race car thing as there will always be some one quicker or faster than you who is willing to spend more or sacrafice their car to be a race car.
Ford or holden will be pretty closely matched most of it will get down to the driver or who gets the jump first.

Do you want a car that I or some other stranger on the net beleives is best, or do you want a car that suits you, surly you don't need us to make up your mind for you.

Opinions will vary according to what forums you go to, I'm sure if you go to Kia_Rio.com they will tell how great their cars are and how they beat mighty V8's

Do yourself a favour and drive both, make up your own mind.

[cashie]

A couple of questions

Do you want a race car or do you want a nice street car - it pretty much does not matter about the race car thing as there will always be some one quicker or faster than you who is willing to spend more or sacrafice their car to be a race car.
Ford or holden will be pretty closely matched most of it will get down to the driver or who gets the jump first.

Do you want a car that I or some other stranger on the net beleives is best, or do you want a car that suits you, surly you don't need us to make up your mind for you.

Opinions will vary according to what forums you go to, I'm sure if you go to Kia_Rio.com they will tell how great their cars are and how they beat mighty V8's

Do yourself a favour and drive both, make up your own mind.

:goodjob: Good Post, listen to this man! :goodjob:

[GODSMACK]

A couple of questions

Do you want a race car or do you want a nice street car - it pretty much does not matter about the race car thing as there will always be some one quicker or faster than you who is willing to spend more or sacrafice their car to be a race car.
Ford or holden will be pretty closely matched most of it will get down to the driver or who gets the jump first.

Do you want a car that I or some other stranger on the net beleives is best, or do you want a car that suits you, surly you don't need us to make up your mind for you.

Opinions will vary according to what forums you go to, I'm sure if you go to Kia_Rio.com they will tell how great their cars are and how they beat mighty V8's

Do yourself a favour and drive both, make up your own mind.

You said 'a couple of questions', but you asked him a few!!! :1peek: :jester:

[bladerunner]

sheeeeet! is this still going? just buy a bloody car!:jester:- vz 6ltr that is ,forget the ford. do we have to grab you between the ears!

[HULK_BA]

high 20s is too much to pay for a 06 VZ SS with the 6L V8. Add transfers etc and a few mods...too much.

If I could get one for low 20s Id grab one but after transfers and tune, costs will blow out. Im either 5.4 or 5.7.

I might just buy the 5.4 I have a deposit on. Its a sweet car.

[ratter]

Geez what a coincidence, HULK_BA makes a post on the ford forums at 10.31 and another HULK_BA makes this one on the LS1 forum at 10.38.

this is weird don't you think if it's not you

[VzSS06]

I might just buy the 5.4 I have a deposit on. Its a sweet car.
Youve said it yourself now go buy it PLEASE

[Evman]

You get what you pay for. They cost more because they're better.

[1BEAST2NV]

VE SS 6ltr, m6, 86000ks, $27k

get your 6ltr, manual, current model......whats the hold up, even has mags


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[HULK_BA]

VE SS 6ltr, m6, 86000ks, $27k

get your 6ltr, manual, current model......whats the hold up, even has mags


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The hold up is it is high km. I will not accept more than 15000-18000km per year. It might be cheap for a ve ss but its no good spending a few thousand less but get a rough car. I would buy a mint condition vy commodore over a rough ve

[HULK_BA]

Geez what a coincidence, HULK_BA makes a post on the ford forums at 10.31 and another HULK_BA makes this one on the LS1 forum at 10.38.

this is weird don't you think if it's not you

Why is it weird? Late evening is a very popular time for people to use the internet. Are you saying that its weird for two people called "steve" to be using the internet at similar times? Are you and I one and the same too as you were also online whilst I am online. So if I am posting now what time is the corresponding post from the other hulk user? if you want to be detective colombo, you should point the one similarity you describe as weird but also point out the vast differences as well.

Why cany people stay on topic and stop accusing me of being some other user? I have asked a very legitimate question and should be accepted on face value like many of you are. I always post respectively.

[Evman]

:lol: My car has over 180,000km on it and it's in terrific condition. Even the drive line was before I had it all upgraded. You can't make assumptions about a car just from the distance it has travelled. A car with 20,000km on it that has been flogged has still been flogged.

[VZMY06SS]

high 20s is too much to pay for a 06 VZ SS with the 6L V8. Add transfers etc and a few mods...too much.

If I could get one for low 20s Id grab one but after transfers and tune, costs will blow out. Im either 5.4 or 5.7.

I might just buy the 5.4 I have a deposit on. Its a sweet car.

Mate, my car is valued (by my insurance company) at a fair smack more than mid 20k's this year. I wouldn't take low 20's for it, as that wouldn't get me a stocker of the same spec. If you mean it's too much for you personally, then thats fine, but not from an actual value point of view.
If you can't afford a 6L, then so be it.

From what I can see either a 5.7 or a 5.4 is going to do what you want, so stop tossing up about the engine and choose the car that you like.
If you think that the BA is a sweet car and can't find a VZ that you like better, then buy it.

As has been said, don't buy a car that people on a Holden or Ford forum reckon you should, buy the one you want.

Steve

[HULK_BA]

I will ultimately buy what im happy with (hopefully tomorrow) but people on here do give good insight. Well most of them do.

[rgmast]

I will ultimately buy what im happy with (hopefully tomorrow) but people on here do give good insight. Well most of them do.

I would hate to see how long it takes you to choose a meal at a restaurant or decide what to wear in the morning.

There is 10 odd pages of u procrastinating go buy a camry

:goodjob:

[GODSMACK]

I would hate to see how long it takes you to choose a meal at a restaurant or decide what to wear in the morning.

There is 10 odd pages of u procrastinating go buy a camry

:goodjob:

A Camry tis too good a car for a troll. He would be more suited to a Daihatsu Cappucino.

[ratter]

Why is it weird? Late evening is a very popular time for people to use the internet. Are you saying that its weird for two people called "steve" to be using the internet at similar times? Are you and I one and the same too as you were also online whilst I am online. So if I am posting now what time is the corresponding post from the other hulk user? if you want to be detective colombo, you should point the one similarity you describe as weird but also point out the vast differences as well.

Why cany people stay on topic and stop accusing me of being some other user? I have asked a very legitimate question and should be accepted on face value like many of you are. I always post respectively.


Just another coincidence that both were logged on both forums at a similar time today.

I think the name Steve may be a little more common than the name HULK_BA

Your question has been answered many times allready

Sorry if the other user is not you, but remember that old saying " if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it normally is a duck"

[justin_d]

Quack Quack

[nudenut]

" if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it normally is a duck"
Or it could be Toby Hagon.

[Kuzman89]

Just another coincidence that both were logged on both forums at a similar time today.

I think the name Steve may be a little more common than the name HULK_BA

Your question has been answered many times allready

Sorry if the other user is not you, but remember that old saying " if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it normally is a duck"

hahahahahahaha!!! Too many coincidences, I say!!

[VzSS06]

Just thought id check in on "Days of Our Ls1 Lives" so hows it hanging???

[ratter]

the same, just going around in circles

[HULK_BA]

Sorry if the other user is not you, but remember that old saying " if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, it normally is a duck"

I accept your apology. Im sorry im not the other guy.

Thankyou all for your help. Tomorrow Im going to see the XR8 again, if it is as I remember I am likely to pick it up.

I hope I can be a member of this community even if I do buy the ford.

[ratter]

I'm a ford owner and I visit here everyday, I read and learn, I try to give accurate advice where I can, it just will not be tolerated by some members if a ford owner comes here claiming their car is better than everybody elses here because it's a ford

[Wonky]

Apparently it's much worse the other way around though!! Whilst Ford owners are well tolerated here as long as they don't try to continually preach to people about how great :eek: their cars are (most of us on here do give Ford credit for their turbo 6s) I gather Holden oriented people are given short shrift on Fraud forums and quickly booted off.......... :bawl:

[HULK_BA]

I checked an old wheels magazine and it said the vz ss 6.0 had a 0-100 time of 6.0 seconds and 400m time of 14.2 seconds. This test was conducted in 03\06.

The XR8 was quoted in the same magazine as 0-100km\h as 6.2 seconds and 400m of 14.3 seconds. Test done in 01\06.

These times are extremely close, so i wouldnt say that either the 6.0 or the 5.4 is clearly superior. Even the 5.7 is on par too.

[SHANESVZSS]

motor did 13.8 in the o6 vz ss manual..the 260 boss simply can not match the 6.0ltr..


either way good luck with your choice when you make it

[Kuzman89]

I checked an old wheels magazine and it said the vz ss 6.0 had a 0-100 time of 6.0 seconds and 400m time of 14.2 seconds. This test was conducted in 03\06.

The XR8 was quoted in the same magazine as 0-100km\h as 6.2 seconds and 400m of 14.3 seconds. Test done in 01\06.

These times are extremely close, so i wouldnt say that either the 6.0 or the 5.4 is clearly superior. Even the 5.7 is on par too.

:feedtroll:

[Evman]

:lmao: This guys is a joke. I'm amazed he even has a licence seeing as he must drag race everywhere :lol:

[VZMY06SS]

motor did 13.8 in the o6 vz ss manual..the 260 boss simply can not match the 6.0ltr..


either way good luck with your choice when you make it

Why can't I stop myself from feeding the troll?!?!?!?

I can verify this with a mates VZ 6L. Ran consistent 13.8's on cheese cutter 15's. I recall hearing somewhere that the reason the VZ 5.7 ran similar 0-100km/h times to the VZ 6L was due to holden using 3.7's in the 5.7's and 3.45's in the 6L's (in the manuals anyway).

Although it is interesting to compare the times, even 0.5 of a second will be hard to feel in the real world, and would only be relevant assuming drivers of identical skill level, cars of identical mechanical condition and countless other variables. When buying a car I can think of a million different reasons to purchase a specific model, but a 0.2 second difference in 0-100km/h times would not sway me either way.

[GODSMACK]

I will ultimately buy what im happy with (hopefully tomorrow) but people on here do give good insight. Well most of them do.

What, A blow up doll?

[Kuzman89]

hahaha GODSMACK!! :bow: :bow:

HULK_BA, you're such a clown :jester:, i'm glad you aren't indicative of the majority of ford fans... or perhaps I should have said mankind!!

[HULK_BA]

motor did 13.8 in the o6 vz ss manual..the 260 boss simply can not match the 6.0ltr..


either way good luck with your choice when you make it

13.8 is a fast time but dont motor test under different conditions? So its like comparing apples with oranges.

I have quoted times from wheels for both cars so the times are presented cetaris paribus. So tested under like for like conditions they appear to be equal (1\10th in favour of 6l)

Im off to pickup my xr8, bank cheque in hand. I will report back in a few hours on how it goes etc. Try to post up a picture too. You will be surprised at what im getting for my money.

[SHANESVZSS]

^ lol i knew that was comming 11 pages ago :1peek:

[rgmast]

:closed::lock:

[GODSMACK]

Try to post up a picture too.



Oh please do, im so hanging to see this POS...

[HULK_BA]

i have collected my XR8 6spd manual. I picked my boy up from school in it. All his friends looked jealous as we drove away in the new car. I said to my son, you gotta work hard in school and one day you could have one of these too.

Im surprised at the power delivery of this car. I definately underestimated it in my previous test drives. The way the power arrives when you rev it up, its very violent, you just have to hold for dear life above 4000rpm. That bonnet bulge thing is also very noticable.

I picked the car up for $20500 with 68000km. I will now wash it and take a few photos and post them up for your enjoyment.

I turn 50 tomorrow so its an excellent way to celebrate dont you think?

Im sure the holden would have been as good but im happy with this new car, so far.

[Evman]

See you over on the Ford Forum then :wave:

Oh wait, I was banned for having a favourable opinion about Holden :doh: No loss :lol:

[Brandonsdad]

Does that mean this thread can now get :closed:

[Mega76]

Oh please do, im so hanging to see this POS...

Bit harsh mate.

[charlie15]

wow 14 pages! I think my post on this topic is on the 2nd page, didn't think this would hit such a number lol

[csv rulz]

Hi mate, congrats on the purchase, it wouldnt have been my choice but each to there own. Look forward to seeing pics. I do like the look of the bonnet bulges on them things, it separates them from the xr6t and makes look more like a muscle car.

I think a few guys on here are getting worked up because from the start you were going to buy the XR8, it was noticable in ur first post that you were set on an xr8. In saying that there its still no reason to get nasty.
And at the end of the day it doesnt matter what others think, as long as you enjoy it.

[rgmast]

i have collected my XR8 6spd manual. I picked my boy up from school in it. All his friends looked jealous as we drove away in the new car. I said to my son, you gotta work hard in school and one day you could have one of these too.



:rofl: Yep and if u had of work harder u could of had a Holden :jester:

[Kuzman89]

haha, he's picking up his imaginery Ba!!! Priceless!! Considering this douchebag already owns the car!!!

I can imagine him right now, handing himself over $500 cash hahahaha

[Kuzman89]

Hey can someone from the ford forums post this thread up? I think the boys in blue will get some entertainment from this douche, they got pretty sick of the clown on AFF anyway. :jester:

[planetdavo]

15 pages to get the result almost everyone was expecting anyway...

[FlatfootV8]

i have collected my XR8 6spd manual. I picked my boy up from school in it. All his friends looked jealous as we drove away in the new car. I said to my son, you gotta work hard in school and one day you could have one of these too.

Im surprised at the power delivery of this car. I definately underestimated it in my previous test drives. The way the power arrives when you rev it up, its very violent, you just have to hold for dear life above 4000rpm. That bonnet bulge thing is also very noticable.

I picked the car up for $20500 with 68000km. I will now wash it and take a few photos and post them up for your enjoyment.

I turn 50 tomorrow so its an excellent way to celebrate dont you think?

Im sure the holden would have been as good but im happy with this new car, so far.


A predictable ending can you predict the next lotto numbers?
:jester:

[Evman]

I said to my son, you gotta work hard in school and one day you could have one of these too.

Depending on your son's age, by the time he finishes school BA's could actually be worth bugger all... So he prob wont have to work very hard to get one :)

[1BEAST2NV]

:worthless:

let see what all the fuss was about!!

[rgmast]

Mate Ford Forum dont want u
Holden forum dont want u
Go see what Toyota can offer (I hear they need cheering up)

:wave::jerk:

[BadSeed]

heres the pic http://www.impactlab.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/ugly-car-67.jpg
nice bonnet bulge

[VZMY06SS]

Now that I think about it, HULK BA is a pretty strange name for a bloke can't make a decision between a VZ and a BA.. Would have been unfortunate if you had have 'decided' on the VZ :goodjob:

Steve

[FOON]

Haha this thread is gold for stupidity lmao, as far as I can tell on AFF, you have had this car for quite a while, go sell it and buy a Prius idiot.

[VXSS346]

The guy bought an XR8, big deal!!!

Is it worth getting so hyped up over? :weirdo:

Personally, I couldn't give a s*** what car he buys. :D

And besides, even if he is a so called Ford troll, a lot of you guys took the bait anyway, the jokes on you. :bawl:

If you think he's such a dickhead, ignore him, and he'll go away, guaranteed!!! :idea:

Comprehendo???

[planetdavo]

Ummm, VXSS346, an "enthusiust" Holden forum by very definition would be full of Holden loving (hence Ford not loving) individuals.
Even if the OP is an A-grade troll, if you expected differently, you need a new hobby. :teach:

[dawkinsdisciple]

yep my post was somewhere back there too

seriously mate, don't get too stirred up by people giving you shit

with a name like hulk_ba and an entertaining the alternative but not really, it was pretty clear which way you were heading.

suck it up and enjoy the ba. and make a decision like a man/american in future!

think less, revel in the consequences!

ps. re page 10 or so, that VE looked pretty f*cking good. mine's 100,000+ and doing better then some of the brand new ones on here - k's are such a small part of the picture, my old low k VR was a pile of shite, high K VN was as good.

[VXSS346]

Ummm, VXSS346, an "enthusiust" Holden forum by very definition would be full of Holden loving (hence Ford not loving) individuals.
Even if the OP is an A-grade troll, if you expected differently, you need a new hobby. :teach:

Thanks for your input. :) :rofl:

[cashie]

i have collected my XR8 6spd manual. I picked my boy up from school in it. All his friends looked jealous as we drove away in the new car. I said to my son, you gotta work hard in school and one day you could have one of these too.

Im surprised at the power delivery of this car. I definately underestimated it in my previous test drives. The way the power arrives when you rev it up, its very violent, you just have to hold for dear life above 4000rpm. That bonnet bulge thing is also very noticable.

I picked the car up for $20500 with 68000km. I will now wash it and take a few photos and post them up for your enjoyment.

I turn 50 tomorrow so its an excellent way to celebrate dont you think?

Im sure the holden would have been as good but im happy with this new car, so far.

Congrats on the new car Hulk... picked it up for a good price too I would say.
Get some pics up.

[mustanger]

i have collected my XR8 6spd manual. I picked my boy up from school in it. All his friends looked jealous as we drove away in the new car. I said to my son, you gotta work hard in school and one day you could have one of these too.



Haha , don`t know about that.:confused:

:teach:At my kid`s school , a BA Falcon wouldn`t be allowed in the school grounds . :lol: I would also say to my sons, if they don`t do well at school , they will be driving BA Falcons :lmao:( Now there is some incentive right there )

[VzSS06]

Any pics on the way? Or have you gone now? Oh happy birthday btw

[planetdavo]

Any pics on the way? Or have you gone now? Oh happy birthday btw

Anyone else notice he only joined the forum the day before starting this highly suspicious thread?

[pelagonia_ss]

I think he came here to prove to himself in his little head that a BA XR8 is better than a VZ SS. LOL

[FlatfootV8]

I think he came here to prove to himself in his little head that a BA XR8 is better than a VZ SS. LOL

Everyone start singing Ba ba black sheep..... :jester:

[GODSMACK]

Anyone else notice he only joined the forum the day before starting this highly suspicious thread?

He has been accused of trolling on many occasions, mods let it be...

[t33d3]

imo if you want a v8 go a holden if you want a 6 go a ford mate.

[rgmast]

imo if you want a v8 go a holden if you want a 6 go a ford mate.

:rofl: bugger if only u had mentioned that a couple days earlier he might of bought a Holden :goodjob: :jester:

[VzSS06]

:rofl: bugger if only u had mentioned that a couple days earlier he might of bought a Holden :goodjob: :jester:
Nah it woulda been an ex cop car

[VE SS Wagon]

Nah it woulda been an ex cop car

With the equivelent of 1,000,000 KM's on it :rofl:

[charlie15]

Anyone else notice he only joined the forum the day before starting this highly suspicious thread?

yep i noticed, just didn't say anything. It was obvious it was going to be a ford over the holden anyway; the name HULK BA for one and the other was that he previously owned a ford.

Oh well as long as he's happy with it. I agree that ford make better sixes, but if you're buying an 8, a holden is the way to go, personally the ford v8's just don't go well.

HULK BA if you think that your xr8 goes hard jump into a 5.7l or 6.0l, that may change your mind. I'm not bias, I've had an xr6 and I preferred that over the sv6. As previously mentioned though, every time i was at work and i hopped into an xr8 - I was glad to be driving home in my 5.7l.

[HULK_BA]

thankyou for all the advice and laughs this thread has provided. I will post up some pics tomorrow. You holden guys are ok.

[1BEAST2NV]

where not all bad, some just like to stir the pot

ford make the awesome 6's

but holden rule the 8's

enjoy the wheels

[planetdavo]

where not all bad, some just like to stir the pot


And considering he logged on for only one minute for the first time in over a day, at a time of night people tend to have a belly full of grog, I think he might be still stirring the Holden pot, just quietly...:)

[redvxr8clubby]

where not all bad, some just like to stir the pot

ford make the awesome 6's

but holden rule the 8's

enjoy the wheels

I'd agree with that, If you want a good 6, the 4.0 ford is probably the pick, If iou want an 8, the 6.0 Holden is easily the pick. If your'e looking at a new 6, the Ford XR6, or G6 is offering pretty good value really. If you look at a 4 as an alternative, a Mazda 6 etc. costs just about the same as the Ford 6's. Definitely value in the Fords. Some people like their Holdens, some like their Fords, it's all good stuff and a good country.......gotta love it. Enjoy your XR8 Hulk BA - post them pics up soon.

[awesome _vzss]

funny thing about this thread had the same
situation about a year an a half ago.
isn't hard to see what i picked in the end
i test drove both cars and was open minded
about it and the vz ss is a much better car
as in build quality ,feel,power looks and just
alround better in my opinion ,the ford really
lacks the power and it just didn't have that
special feel to it

[VTV691]

I'm so glad you bought the Ford mate :goodjob: Well done!

Would be a waste of a Lion in your hands!

If u hold for your life at 4000rpm in the BA, the poor SS would porbably never see past 2500-3000rpm.
Also would probably never see good tune, cam or anything else.And I guess would be driven to school and back :lmao: :lmao::lmao:

Glad you bough the Ford:goodjob:, Someone has to keep the ford sales up!

So enjoy your 200 odd rwkw coz coz ~300rkwk would be too much for you;)

And stay away from the drag strip, coz cars go really fast there and you might get disapointed :eyes:

[Torxteer]

HULK BA if you think that your xr8 goes hard jump into a 5.7l or 6.0l, that may change your mind.

I find it odd how a lot of Holden guys say this. I drive a heap of SS's etc at work and I dont know why everyone says the 5.7 is years ahead of the Boss. Sure when you start heavily modifying yes but in standard form they are much the same in outright performance barring the top end 300kw GTSs. The first LS1s from the VT/VX feel slow these days and are only slightly better in VY/early VZ form.

[VY18s]

Never driven either, but based on what car I would buy if it came to looks the VZ would be the way to go. I really do like the BA XR8s, but IMO the VZ SSs have a far less "taxi" look to them.

[charlie15]

I find it odd how a lot of Holden guys say this. I drive a heap of SS's etc at work and I dont know why everyone says the 5.7 is years ahead of the Boss. Sure when you start heavily modifying yes but in standard form they are much the same in outright performance barring the top end 300kw GTSs. The first LS1s from the VT/VX feel slow these days and are only slightly better in VY/early VZ form.

Fair call in regards to a VT/VX but I could definitely tell the difference at higher revs between a vy 5.7 and a ba 5.4. My mates dad has a pursuit ute with 260 at the wheels and it still seemed like it just didn't go as well as he'd hoped, especially after a few decent power upgrades, whereas my SS only had 223 at the wheels and it just felt noticeably quicker, especially up high. BTW he sold it for an F6, which I think goes better than anything that Holden/HSV has to offer at a price under 80K.

[VzSS06]

So enjoy your 200 odd rwkw coz coz ~300rkwk would be too much for you

But if he fits a Helix Spacer he should get 400 rwkw

[iloveholden]

But if he fits a Helix Spacer he should get 400 rwkw

Maybe he'll fit a flux capacitor so he can go back in time and never buy the Ford and purchase a VZ SS due to the mistake he has made! :jester:

[planetdavo]

Can an Energy Polariser be adapted to a Ford?
I thought I heard that the rear window sticker antenna thingie didn't align the molecules properly on a Ford, hence it didn't feel any different, especially compared to the massive change Holden's have when it's fitted...

PS: The OP hasn't been back for over two days now, since his midnight p!ss up continuing to play with you guys, not to mention his 2nd "promise" of being about to post up photo's.
:feedtroll::feedtroll::feedtroll:

[HULK_BA]

sorry i have not posted up pictures yet.

I have not logged on lately as i have been enjoying the power of the ford V8. My wife described the car as feeling heavy to steer.

But she was knocked sideways by the power of the 5.4 V8. Near my house there is a long windy road and under power the car feels terrific. It does feel like the back of the car could jump out at any moment.