2010 Bathurst 12 hour

[Hamico]

Starts this Friday 12-14th February 2010

Who is going to win ?

http://www.bathurst12hour.com.au/home.asp

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09/02/10

Bathurst gears up for the Armor All 12 Hour


Bathurst residents are counting down until teams and drivers hit town for this weekends 3 day Armor All Bathurst 12 Hour Showroom Enduro.

The Event is now in its fourth year and has something to entertain for all including, Superstreet Nationals, support races and the 12 hour race as the feature on the Sunday.

Raceline Events will present the Superstreet Nationals in Harris Park over the weekend which is a mix of tough street machines, muscles cars, classics, cruisers, rods, imports and hi-tech cars, Drift cars, an exhibition show n shine, audio show and sound off, driving activities, drag cars, trade displays, Pro-Mo Babe competition and Dyno competition.

The Company has been involved every year since the Events inception and Representative Ian Badock believes there will be enough entertainment to knock your socks off.

“It’s going to be “Super” spectacular. We’ve got about 5 or 6 of the top ten drifters in Australia coming to the Event so there will be plenty of talent and great action,” said Badock.

Car clubs from around Australia have also been invited to be a part of the Event with their own display section, which see the following clubs head down from Queensland to partake in the Event; Stadium Drifters, WRX Club and BMW owners club.

“We have a few more car clubs joining us this year. In previous years they were all from the local region but this year we have clubs from Sydney and Queensland.”

This year’s Event will also feature the Super Utes Show with over 200 utes competing.

The support categories will kick-start the Armor All Bathurst 12 Hour Showroom Enduro with Group N Historic Touring Cars are taking to the track at 7:35am for Practice on Friday, 12th February and the 12 hour race will finish off the weekend on Sunday, 14th February.

There will be eight categories contesting the 12 hour race including:

Class A Natrad High Performance (All Wheel Drive)
Class B Harrop High Performance (Rear Wheel Drive)
Class C STP Performance
Class D Racer Industries Production (Sport)
Class E Repco Authorised Repair Production (Small)
Class F Supercharge Battery Alternative Energy
Class H Century Batteries V8 Utes
Class I VIP Petfoods Invitational

The Armor All Bathurst 12 Hour Showroom Enduro is in its 4th year, with a grid of 45 expected to start. The race features production cars in a class structure representative of the mass road-going market. BMW, Mitsubishi, Ford, Holden, Nissan and Subaru will compete for outright honors.

Prostate Cancer is the official charity of the Event and the race will be televised in a 3 hour special on the SEVEN Network, through Fox Sports, New Zealand and other International Markets.

For the first time in the history of the Event, the 12 Hour race will be streamed LIVE through the Armor All Bathurst 12 Hour website www.bathurst12hour.com.au.

Tickets can be purchased through Ticketek www.ticketek.com.au or 13 2849 or at the Gate.

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[Martin_D]

Easy....Steve Glenney :)

[Hamico]

Glen Seton and Neil Crompton in the Evo will be ones to watch

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[Party Pete]

I see that again Channel 7 has been allowed to buy the exclusive TV rights and has chosen not to show one minute of it. Two channels now operating and they prefer to show 30 year old footy flash backs rather than a current event. Why do they buy the rights if they don't want to show it.

[JET-33]

I see that again Channel 7 has been allowed to buy the exclusive TV rights and has chosen not to show one minute of it. Two channels now operating and they prefer to show 30 year old footy flash backs rather than a current event. Why do they buy the rights if they don't want to show it.

what a disgrace! there should be somethin in place to stop this kind of thing :flipoff:

ch7 suck! didnt they take over v8 supercar coverage and ruin it?

[Pickles]

I see that again Channel 7 has been allowed to buy the exclusive TV rights and has chosen not to show one minute of it. Two channels now operating and they prefer to show 30 year old footy flash backs rather than a current event. Why do they buy the rights if they don't want to show it.

An absolute disgrace......why buy the rights of you're not going to show it.
On the other hand, I suppose that this has not been the most popular of events, so maybe there wasn't much interest in it from other channels, particularly to show it live for the full 12 hrs.
I'd say they picked up the rights for a "song"......so what they'll probably do, is compile some sort of "special", & show it later.
Cheers, Pickles.

[Evman]

Finally we get some decent motorsport come around again and it's not going to be shown! I agree Pickles, I think they do a one hour program on it a few weeks after the race :(

[VX2VESS]

did they try Foxtel.. it sucks their is no coverage.

Might be a long race, but it has real cars in it. as opposed to cars that just look like what we drive and have nothing in common except the body shape.

so for me this is more interesting in terms of a car performance.

[Martin_D]

Dont panic, its streaming live :)
http://www.bathurst12hour.com.au/news_article.asp?news_id=49

Entry list here -
http://www.bathurst12hour.com.au/documents/2010_finalentrylist.pdf

Its great they let a Shelby Mustang in the Invitational class, but refused GTR....bullies :lol:

Also....looks like rain :eek:

[Evman]

Dont panic, its streaming live :)
http://www.bathurst12hour.com.au/news_article.asp?news_id=49

Entry list here -
http://www.bathurst12hour.com.au/documents/2010_finalentrylist.pdf

Its great they let a Shelby Mustang in the Invitational class, but refused GTR....bullies :lol:

Also....looks like rain :eek:

Thanks for the links Tuna. Pretty crap they banned the GTR. This is the sort of thing it was made for FFS.

[Martin_D]

Looks like an EVO X benefit this year from the entry list.
It really is surprising (and a shame) that there is no works HSV entry, as some of the guys in that field we deal with all state that with the right chassis setup and driver combination it could be much faster than some of the privateer efforts seen so far and a real threat for outright honours :cool:

[Pickles]

Looks like an EVO X benefit this year from the entry list.
It really is surprising (and a shame) that there is no works HSV entry, as some of the guys in that field we deal with all state that with the right chassis setup and driver combination it could be much faster than some of the privateer efforts seen so far and a real threat for outright honours :cool:
Are there any "Works" teams from any manufacturer?...I wasn't aware of any.
Whilst I'd like to see "Factory" entries for "Real" cars, I can't see that happening....HSV would be quite happy from their exposure with V8 Supercars, so would Holden & Ford.
"Outright Honours"?...I'd like to see that too. But aren't there other types of cars in this race that would clearly outpace an HSV Commodore......I don't know.
Cheers, Pickles.

[Martin_D]

Ummm Pickles - a properly setup LS3 should be able to outpace a boost restricted 2 litre at Bathurst you would think. They were faster down the chute at Oran this year than the EVO X by around 9km/h, and their brakes (they are allowed to run decent brakes not HSV stock) arent half bad either. The biggest problem they will face is lasting for 12 hours, which is the key to winning. Durability at the mountain has never been that good for HSV at the 12 hour :teach:

Team Mitsubishi Ralliart have two cars entered, if you consider them a works entry :cool:

Still my money is on the Pro-Duct EVOX :)

[VX2VESS]

Dont panic, its streaming live :)
http://www.bathurst12hour.com.au/news_article.asp?news_id=49

Entry list here -
http://www.bathurst12hour.com.au/documents/2010_finalentrylist.pdf

Its great they let a Shelby Mustang in the Invitational class, but refused GTR....bullies :lol:

Also....looks like rain :eek:

thanks fishy

ps the list is smallish

[Pickles]

Ummm Pickles - a properly setup LS3 should be able to outpace a boost restricted 2 litre at Bathurst you would think. They were faster down the chute at Oran this year than the EVO X by around 9km/h, and their brakes (they are allowed to run decent brakes not HSV stock) arent half bad either. The biggest problem they will face is lasting for 12 hours, which is the key to winning. Durability at the mountain has never been that good for HSV at the 12 hour :teach:

Team Mitsubishi Ralliart have two cars entered, if you consider them a works entry :cool:

Still my money is on the Pro-Duct EVOX :)
LS3.....in a straight line.....yes, the LS3 would definitely up for it , but you've mentioned "durability" (I'd say particularly tyres, suspension & brakes) which is a big issue, particularly for large cars, in this sort of race. I would say that an outright win for an HSV or an FPV type vehicle would be highly unlikely.....but I'd still like to see it, don't care whether it was a FPV or HSV....however, I don't think I will.
Cheers, Pickles.

[madalbert]

Thanks for the tip about the live stream... the rain should make it interesting :)

[Martin_D]

LS3.....in a straight line.....yes, the LS3 would definitely up for it , but you've mentioned "durability" (I'd say particularly tyres, suspension & brakes) which is a big issue, particularly for large cars, in this sort of race. I would say that an outright win for an HSV or an FPV type vehicle would be highly unlikely.....but I'd still like to see it, don't care whether it was a FPV or HSV....however, I don't think I will.
Cheers, Pickles.

Thing is tyres are R comps (pick your size)
Brakes are all non-factory, as is suspension :)
You would find the Murphy car (VE GTS) would have around $20K worth of coil overs in it hand built and setup specifically for the car. It would have full floating competition brakes much larger than stock, and even modified suspension arms. Its not those bits that seem to stop them in the long haul, but rather stupid small things like oil control, pedal faults, gearshift linkages, dumb little things you would never normally think of :eek:

I know the TMR crew with their EVO X do a post Bathurst 12 hour rebuild that comprises 'changing the engine, diff and gearbox oils and we are ready for next round' thats all, and thats the difference between the cars in a nutshell :lol:

[Pickles]

Thing is tyres are R comps (pick your size)
Brakes are all non-factory, as is suspension :)
You would find the Murphy car (VE GTS) would have around $20K worth of coil overs in it hand built and setup specifically for the car. It would have full floating competition brakes much larger than stock, and even modified suspension arms. Its not those bits that seem to stop them in the long haul, but rather stupid small things like oil control, pedal faults, gearshift linkages, dumb little things you would never normally think of :eek:

I know the TMR crew with their EVO X do a post Bathurst 12 hour rebuild that comprises 'changing the engine, diff and gearbox oils and we are ready for next round' thats all, and thats the difference between the cars in a nutshell :lol:
"that's the difference"....except the weight.
Cheers, Pickles.

[Martin_D]

So a wider tyre and around 100 more kw than a boost restricted EVO isnt enough? Its more than enough, do your research! :eek:
Spend the time, watch the live stream, and see how much time the cars spend getting fixed in the pits. If one of the HSVs gets through without mechanical trouble it should win the race, however this has been a very difficult task so far as history has shown us :teach:

[Pickles]

So a wider tyre and around 100 more kw than a boost restricted EVO isnt enough? Its more than enough, do your research! :eek:
Spend the time, watch the live stream, and see how much time the cars spend getting fixed in the pits. If one of the HSVs gets through without mechanical trouble it should win the race, however this has been a very difficult task so far as history has shown us :teach:

No worries!!...The only research I can do, as I don't know much about race car preparation, is to watch the race, & also other races of this type, which I have done. It is simply my experience that these type of cars have problems...whatever they are. I suppose placing specialized bits on the cars, at considerable expense, may solve part of the problem......but it also takes them further away from the "standard" nature of these cars, which is what some people would say, is what this race is supposed to be all about.
As far as "factory" cars are concerned, maybe Walkinshaw Performance would be the sort of people who could have a go.....but I don't think so, because of the cost, and also they probably realize they would be "up against it", to do well.
Cheers, pickles.

[Martin_D]

Problem is Pickles that the cars that need the help in specialised parts is only done so that they can last more than a handful of laps before ending up in a steaming pile on the side of the track. No one wants to see that, but there are very very few production cars that could run this event without completely different brakes, suspension, and tyres to stock :)

If memory serves me right HSV were allowed proper power steering coolers and engine oil coolers (that didnt exist on the road cars) just so they could make it through qualifying. Personally it should be showroom racing with none of these bits, so if there is one car left at the end....thats the car you should buy if racing is your thing :cool:

[JET-33]

Dont panic, its streaming live :)
[url]http://www.bathurst12hour.com.au/news_article.asp?news_id=49[/url

note to self: save bandwidth :)

what a disgrace it comes to this

[JET-33]

Thanks for the links Tuna. Pretty crap they banned the GTR. This is the sort of thing it was made for FFS.

banned the GTR :vpo: :vpo: :vpo: :vpo:

not happy :flipoff:

[132OFT]

I was there for the 12 hour last year, had an absolute ball. Even bumped into a few people I know and hadn't seen for a while which was a good bonus. The Evos simply dominated, I think the highest placed Holden was 5th which was (I thought) a pretty spectacular effort.

[Tyre biter]

...If one of the HSVs gets through without mechanical trouble it should win the race, however this has been a very difficult task so far as history has shown us :teach:

Tuna, by no means having a go and pretty much agree with you, but on this point that you made, isn't this exactly what happened some years ago with a GTS driven by John Faulkner and others. The thing won and in the rain to boot! When really in those conditions it had no business running and finishing where it did against the 2.0l AWD turbos from Japan. Although I do recall that a number of other GTS' fell over with overheating diffs and there was an inference floating around that the Faulkner car was shagged the same way when it (just) finished...

Cheers, TB

[TIR33D]

From memory the holden backed sportswagon had to do the slave cyclinder about 3.5hrs in which cost them quite a bit of time.

I didn't think they were allowed to upgrade the brakes (ie size and pistons) from standard all they were allowed was fluids and pads. That what killed the wagon in the first year. Holden bought up all the good pads but ended up blowing a rotor to smitherines at about lap 30.

Anyway my money on the class win is Newman, Windsor, Shields - Team Bathurst. Bloody nice blokes who race in what they can afford. They won their class last year and prob will again. They are in an N/a car so they are constantly being overtaken, but are very consistent and quick for their class. I have the liberty of being in their corporate for the weekend via a little sponsorship.

[Blakrok]

Followed the seton/crompton evo up through the Blue Mountains today on the back of a car carrier with 2 other identical evo's.

[hRTHSV]

In the entry lits in auto action the R8 sport wagon is running again with Nathan Pretty, Cam McConville & Jones (Andrew?) that's a factory effort surely. But I do recall from the ppor telecast that we got last year it was still runiing the stock ECM Tune:spew:. I hope they have rectified that this year.

[Party Pete]

This race could be a ripper if it could get TV coverage in some form. The manufacturers are interested because they don't get any TV coverage so why waste the money if no-one can watch it. Channel 7 would argue that if there was manufacture support they would play it, but then it is becoming a bit circular now. What disappoints me is that they are doing no promotion and even with a second channel going spare they choose to show re-runs of old none significant football games rather than given this a go at all.

The problem with Holden and Ford is that competition improves the breed but the current V8 formula allows them to compete without using any road car parts at all. So in reality the road cars don't benefit at all from the competition side other than from projecting an image without any real basis. The Evos are raced in much closer trim to the road car in various rally formulas around the world and consequently have more racing suitable parts on them. If the main touring car formula in this country required them to use closer to road car specs I am sure both Holden and Ford would quickly be coming up with more durable products to compete with.

[Martin_D]

The Evos are raced in much closer trim to the road car in various rally formulas around the world and consequently have more racing suitable parts on them. If the main touring car formula in this country required them to use closer to road car specs I am sure both Holden and Ford would quickly be coming up with more durable products to compete with.

We had this, it was called Group A, and it produced two of the best Commodores ever made, the VL and VN Group A models. Dont expect it to come back again as it required the manufacturer to think, design, and spend money making a better road car for us to buy :teach:

Its much easier to be part of the taxi rank racing cartel where Holden and Ford share all the same parts and are differentiated mainly by a stick on badge on the front of the car. This way you also get a 50/50 chance of winning, by eliminating any other competition before the startline :lol:

Now its mainly street circuit based, the current formula would be up there with the most boring series on earth from a genuine race fans view, but events like the 12 hour will never take off, as the bottom line is the majority of Australia cant bear to see anything other than a Holden or a Ford win, so they simply wont watch it :)

[hsv-105]

We had this, it was called Group A, and it produced two of the best Commodores ever made, the VL and VN Group A models. Dont expect it to come back again as it required the manufacturer to think, design, and spend money making a better road car for us to buy :teach:

Its much easier to be part of the taxi rank racing cartel where Holden and Ford share all the same parts and are differentiated mainly by a stick on badge on the front of the car. This way you also get a 50/50 chance of winning, by eliminating any other competition before the startline :lol:

Now its mainly street circuit based, the current formula would be up there with the most boring series on earth from a genuine race fans view, but events like the 12 hour will never take off, as the bottom line is the majority of Australia cant bear to see anything other than a Holden or a Ford win, so they simply wont watch it :)


As much as it hurts to admit - you are right Mr Donnan.

[GPT]

Well said ST. And with Ford having fewer teams it could soon become even more boring with just a field full of Commodores.

I used to watch the racing religously but now bearly watch any including Bathurst 1000. Does the word boring mean anything to you Mr Cochrane?

[Martin_D]

They used to say racing improved the breed, and that was the exciting bit for us as owners :)
Not any more :(

Anyone old enough to remember the 'pressed tin rocker fiasco' in the Group A Commodores?

[Gee]

Well said a number of times here Tuna.

I accept that a lot of people buy into the Red v Blue thing no matter how stupid that is, and how meaningless the 'supercar' formula may be. Hence that organisation and their stakeholders always dismiss such criticisms with their crowd and ratings figures. Good luck to them I guess.

But I'm not one of them and never will be, disappointing as I loved our motor racing.

[VX2VESS]

Well said ST. And with Ford having fewer teams it could soon become even more boring with just a field full of Commodores.

I used to watch the racing religously but now bearly watch any including Bathurst 1000. Does the word boring mean anything to you Mr Cochrane?

Yes he has given me a lot of free time now. before supercars came in i would go to all the local races, watch the rest on TV all of it, and sit all day watching bathurst.

Now i watch maybe 1 hour if i can be bothered of bathurst, the rest maybe 5mins or nothing, i don't blot out a whole day or afternoon anymore because its rather boring with little overtaking etc.

I find production racing more exciting when one brand dominates and can lap other cars. more exciting to put shit on the other brand i guess..

Good comparison to what car performs better to buy, when the have most of the original driveline etc

dunno close manufacturer racing is boring to me

When brock would win by laps i could say to to others 'ford really sucks' lol... Now its just your shape won, could be a go kart that looks like a holden or Ford these days....They are just not real holdens or Fords. I like comparing the other brands at Bathurst as well, the best 4cyl and 6cyl etc

[Hamico]

I see that again Channel 7 has been allowed to buy the exclusive TV rights and has chosen not to show one minute of it. Two channels now operating and they prefer to show 30 year old footy flash backs rather than a current event. Why do they buy the rights if they don't want to show it.

Very good point, you can bet if it was still on Channel 10 that they would not only be broadcasting it live but would be giving it plenty of promotion as well.

CHANNEL 7 SUCKS !

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[SLE355]

Thanks for the link Tuna, will have a look.

Very piss weak of channel 7 but its to be expected. Too bad ONEHD didn't pick it up and atleast have shown the first and last couple of hours Live.

[Oztrack Tuning]

Watch Grant Johnsons white Hi Tech Motorsport ute. I will be up there this weekend tuning it, hopefully it can take on some of the LS3s and be out there for the 12hrs. There other Holden ute did a 2:33 in qualifying in October and this one is faster in a straight line than it.

[Martin_D]

Was speaking to Steve Glenney who is driving one of the PRO DUCT EVOX Mitsus this weekend and he tells me its raining hard and that Bathurst is on flood watch over the race period. Practice 2 yesterday shows how its going to go - http://www.natsoft.com.au/cgi-bin/results.cgi?14/02/2010.MOUN.P7

8 out of the top 10 cars are Mitsubishi Evolutions. Toppling these little rockets will be well nigh impossible by the looks this year. Mitsubishi certainly have done a great job of the EVO X as a track weapon :cool:

Looks like the ute is struggling in the conditions a little Oz, being 12 seconds a lap off the pace in that session. Lets hope it dries up and gives the Commodores a good shot at the podium :)

[Oztrack Tuning]

Last session Martin was on older tyres to save the good ones and really was just anoither stint for the drivers. It was the 2nd quickest Holden and the aim is to be there in the 12hr and at the end.

Pro-duct are next to us, they are neat looking cars.

[Oztrack Tuning]

There will be some entertaining TV when Ch7 covers some highlights of the weekend. Today the weather varied heaps and created some good racing plus numerous crashes in the Porsche race, Improved Production etc. TV veiwers will love it , but some costly damage to the Porsche's.

[speedyocca]

here is direct link (http://www.ustream.tv/channel/bathurst-12-hour) to the live stream as the bathurst12hr.com.au site has been flooded

[XUV]

what place is the ute in , i think i heard leading class b ????

[Blakrok]

9th overall, first in class (only 3 in its class tho so not anything spectacular)

[XUV]

good bit of exposer being right behind the safety car .
but , ya need bigger decals oztrack .

[Rub]

OOPSIE!!

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4041/4355206574_8871c58c40_o.jpg

[v8dude78]

Go seton & cromly +1 for the old fellas :goodjob:

[Martin_D]

They are looking like a fair thing at this stage, around five seconds a lap faster than anything else :eek:

[Evman]

Safety car with less than 15 mins to go! COME ON HSV TOURER!!!

[RICECOOKER]

yeeehaaaa cmon tourer, ive been streaming it all day, has been a good watch

[Evman]

NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

Safety car finish by the looks :(

[Evman]

And that's that. A huge congrats to everyone that completed the race, and full credit to those that didn't make it :bow: One of the best races I've seen in a long time :)

[matthewfnorbert]

street tuna
i have a small clip of the boys pushing the ute to the garage (i was in ford ute 99 garage at the time) if you want it.

[QIKMIK]

On Seven right now from 1300-1600.

Mick

[Oztrack Tuning]

I missed it so if anyone has a tape or copy that would be great.

[QIKMIK]

Email sent re coverage.

Mick

[Party Pete]

I second that request. Has anyone got any of the footage saved anywhere. I was unable to watch most of it.