NSW number plate exemptions - SS V Special Edition

[08ssv]

Hey guys,
New legislation was brought into force in New South Wales on the 01/02/2010 in relation to displaying number plates. I will post the legislation below. What it effectively states is that if a vehicle is manufactured in such a way that it is not practicable to display a registration plate then that vehicle is exempt from doing so.

This legislation practically covers cars such as Fezzas and Lambos etc but also after examining the legislation it has also been found to encompass the SS V special edition with the Pontiac front bumper Due to its design being made for North America where the displaying of a front number plate is not required for the majority of states. This legislation would also apply to anyone lucky enough to have 150k to fork out for a new Camaro as well.

What this effectively means is that there are 3 options available to owners of these vehicles

1. Have the number plate bracket available fitted and fit the number plate.

2. Have a Vinyl Sticker replica made of your number plate and fix to front.

3. You are exempt from displaying a plate at the front.

I would opt for option 2 myself as it will stop a lot of hassle from being pulled over and having to explain that you are exempt. This is only new legislation and will take a while for it to be common knowledge.

Hope this assists some of you,

THE LEGISLATION

NUMBER PLATE EXEMPTION
The Roads & Traffic Authority have advised that they have issued an exemption notice in relation to the display of number plates under the provisions of clause 10 of Sch 2 of the Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Regulation 2007. This exemption took effect on 1 February 2010. The exemption covers clause 61(2)(c)



61 Number-plates
(1) In this clause:

number includes a letter of the alphabet.

vehicle number-plate means a number-plate other than a bicycle-rack number-plate.

(2) The vehicle number-plate issued by the Authority for a vehicle must be permanently affixed to the vehicle so that (assuming the vehicle to be on level ground):
(a) the number-plate is at all times:
(i) in an upright position that is substantially parallel to the vehicle’s axles, and
(ii) not more than 1.3 metres above ground level, and
(b) the number-plate is not obscured, defaced or otherwise not legible, and
(c) the numbers on the number-plate are clearly visible from a distance of 20 metres at any point within an arc of 45 degrees from the surface of the number-plate above or to either side of the vehicle, as shown in figures 1 and 2 of diagram 1 (in relation to heavy vehicles) and figures 1 and 2 of diagram 2 (in relation to light vehicles), and
(d) any cover on the number-plate:
(i) is clear, clean, untinted and flat over its entire surface, and
(ii) has no reflective or other characteristics that would prevent the successful operation of a device approved for use under a law relating to the detection of traffic offences, and
(e) in the case of a motor vehicle other than a motor bike—one number-plate is affixed to the front of the vehicle and another to its rear, and
(f) in the case of a motor bike or trailer—at least one number-plate is affixed to its rear, and
(g) in the case of a motor vehicle for which number-plates of different sizes are issued—the larger of the number-plates is affixed to the rear of the vehicle.



The exemption has the following effect.

Clause 61 (2)(c) regarding the display of number plates on a registerable vehicle does NOT apply if:
a) due to the original construction of the vehicle it is not practicable to comply with that subclause; or
b) the number-plate is affixed in a manner that complies so far as practicable with the subclause.

Note that this exemption applies only to the original construction of the vehicle, therefore does not cover vehicles that have been modified irrespective of the modification being approved by an engineering signatory

[planetdavo]

I'd be amazed if this legislation lasts...
Certainly in the case of the G8 front SSV, it's a piece of p!ss to mount a plate straight to the bar cover.

[Toddler78]

speaking of SA at least it is illegal to display a number plate other then what is supplied by the governement ie you cant get a sticker made up and use it.
all the SA police bikes tried to push for front numberplates a while ago by putting stickers on the front of the bikes and all got in trouble for it.:rofl:

I have been told by an officer that a front number plate is not required to be displayed. I tested this theory out when I was getting my front bar repaired and didnt run a front plate. didnt even get a second look even when I was pulled over for an RTA

[08ssv]

I'd be amazed if this legislation lasts...
Certainly in the case of the G8 front SSV, it's a piece of p!ss to mount a plate straight to the bar cover.

You are spot on but that is the beauty of traffic legislation. It can be made to work against you and for you. By having the slight raised angle at the centre of the bar, when a number plate is fitted the edges of the plate protrude further than on a flat bar. This then creates a pedestrian hazard by having the sharp edge of a number plate easily able to cut into an adults leg or a childs torso and head in a pedestrian collision.

In NSW there is also legislation in regards to pedestrian hazards on the front of motor vehicles. An example is that no fishing rod holders are allowed to be fitted to bull bars anymore. These offences are punishable by fines and defects. The sharp edges of the number plate protruding at the sides fits into the definition of a pedestrian hazard. What this effectively means is that by complying with one rule by displaying plates you are effectively breaching another by creating a pedestrian hazard. Before this legislation came into effect that is how I would have gotten out of putting a front plate on one of the SE SS V. Put that in writing to the RTA and bingo, one exemption from displaying plates.

Exemptions have been available in NSW for years. They were just approved on a case by case basis. All this does is cut out a chunk of paperwork that the RTA has to follow up on. The beauty of it is that the legislation as it reads encompasses the Pontic fronted SS V.

This legislation will stick. Trust me, anything that means the RTA has to do less work will never never be taken away.

[08ssv]

speaking of SA at least it is illegal to display a number plate other then what is supplied by the governement ie you cant get a sticker made up and use it.
all the SA police bikes tried to push for front numberplates a while ago by putting stickers on the front of the bikes and all got in trouble for it.:rofl:

I have been told by an officer that a front number plate is not required to be displayed. I tested this theory out when I was getting my front bar repaired and didnt run a front plate. didnt even get a second look even when I was pulled over for an RTA


It is the same here in NSW about displaying anything other than a regulated plate. However in this case you are complying with legislation as you are displaying the Plate number as practicably as you are able to do so, IE a sticker so that at least everyone is aware of what the plate is, however under the legislation you are not required to do that either.

I would only do it as there are a lot of Police who are as yet unaware of the legislation and it is easy for them to write a ticket that will take you a letter to State Debt Recovery Office to get cancelled.

[planetdavo]

You are spot on but that is the beauty of traffic legislation. It can be made to work against you and for you. By having the slight raised angle at the centre of the bar, when a number plate is fitted the edges of the plate protrude further than on a flat bar. This then creates a pedestrian hazard by having the sharp edge of a number plate easily able to cut into an adults leg or a childs torso and head in a pedestrian collision.

The Pontiac number plate base is readily available for this model, so I'm still rather confused why this model would be exempt. The only reason just about every one does not use it is purely for appearance reasons, not because Holden don't supply it.

[heavyduty1340]

Lets see if this makes its way to W.A.:goodjob:

[Devil CV8]

The Pontiac number plate base is readily available for this model, so I'm still rather confused why this model would be exempt. The only reason just about every one does not use it is purely for appearance reasons, not because Holden don't supply it.

Simple question: Is the number plate base part of the car from the factory or is it added at the dealership?
If factory, then yep front number plate required. if no, then it meets the exemption requirement.

[08ssv]

The Pontiac number plate base is readily available for this model, so I'm still rather confused why this model would be exempt. The only reason just about every one does not use it is purely for appearance reasons, not because Holden don't supply it.

It's exempt through it's design and interpretation of the legislation. Just because there is a number plate holder available does not mean that it has to be fitted. As I stated the legislation was brought in for high end luxury sports cars like lambo, ferrari and the like but due to the wording being "due to its design" it inadvertantly fits the SE SS V into the legislation. It was "designed" to be used in a country where the fitment of front number plates is only compulsory in a handfull of states. Therefore the design of the bar was allowed to have the raised ridge of a kind that is not seen on the majority of cars for sale in Australia. It's one of many little inconsistencies that you can use to your advantage if you can interpret and analyse the legislation.

The plate cant be mounted to one side of the bar either as in NSW that is an offence. To break it down basically the plate on a car in NSW must be displayed in the centre of the bar. If you really wanted to under this exemption you now could put it to either side but why display the plate if you dont have to and why drill holes through one side of your bar.

But as also stated that number plate base increases the distance the number plate protrudes from the bar which, here in NSW is subject to pedestrian safety legislation. Number plates slice through flesh like a hot knife through butter. The legislation is there so people should use it.

Most of the Traffic legislation in NSW contradicts itself somewhere with another part of the legislation. It only comes to attention when a matter is heard at Court or when police recieve a request for examination of a Traffic Infringement Notice by state debt recovery agency.

[planetdavo]

Simple question: Is the number plate base part of the car from the factory or is it added at the dealership?
If factory, then yep front number plate required. if no, then it meets the exemption requirement.

It is a genuine Holden part originally developed for Pontiac, with a Holden part number to order it if you smash your original.
That's why it is confusing.

[seedyrom]

Number plates slice through flesh like a hot knife through butter.

http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/Seedyrom/DSCN0643.jpg

The red paint hides a lot of the splatter from my kills

So I could possibly drop the front plate?
Cool.

The poor front bar had to be drilled, and number plate bent in the middle to fit on. So I guess that means it wasn't meant to be (from the factory).

[the mooch]

my wife and i have just picked up our SSV SE today, and i asked the dealer not to fit the front plate, to which they obliged. does this legislation exist? particularly in SA, and if so where can i get it in writing? i'd like to keep a copy of it in the glovebox! seriously if anyone can help out here it could save me from having to hack the front bar.:bawl:

[Devil CV8]

It is a genuine Holden part originally developed for Pontiac, with a Holden part number to order it if you smash your original.
That's why it is confusing.

understand all that, but simply put, NSW now does not require front numberplates to be fitted for the pontiac fronted specials.

[Hos]

my wife and i have just picked up our SSV SE today, and i asked the dealer not to fit the front plate, to which they obliged. does this legislation exist? particularly in SA, and if so where can i get it in writing? i'd like to keep a copy of it in the glovebox! seriously if anyone can help out here it could save me from having to hack the front bar.:bawl:

i am in the same boat. pick up our new SSV SE wagon in bout ten days, would love to be able to keep the front bar plateless.:bow:

hope we can find something in SA legislation!!!!

[seedyrom]

I'm starting to think either there is misinformation being presented here, or it is very much someone's interpretation, rather than how the laws are actually meant to be perceived.

You'd hate to spend $10,000 in legal fees to gain a moral victory.


The number plate having to be in the middle for instance.

What about the Alfa 147?
http://www.italiancar.net/site/FACTfiles/alfa/alfa147GTA_Seles/picts_big/Alfa_147_GTASelespeed_AU_18a_lg.jpg

Driving into work today, I was looking at front number plates.

The amount of old and new cars which didn't have provisions for number plates, but were simply screwed into a rounded bar was amazing.

Keep your eyes peeled.
So many cars are in this boat, surely they couldn't seriously allow everone to start dropping the plates.

[Mega76]

http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/Seedyrom/DSCN0643.jpg

The red paint hides a lot of the splatter from my kills

So I could possibly drop the front plate?
Cool.

The poor front bar had to be drilled, and number plate bent in the middle to fit on. So I guess that means it wasn't meant to be (from the factory).


Awesome little car Seedyrom. Always seen you had one per your signature but have never seen it. Is it in the "my ride" section?? Got a soft spot for those early Beemers. Cheers Matt

[moconn20]

It's certainly an interesting move considering theyve just spent so much money on IR flashes for their fixed speed cameras so they are able to get front on speed camera photos.

Now half of NSW can hammer through as fast as they like without being identified.

[Hos]

is anyone in SA able to head to a ServiceSA or Registrar to get an answer? i have tried all the phone numbers in the book, all tell me to go to my nearest ServiveSA office as they deal with all number plate enquiries.......:vpo:

be good to get a straight answer. if i find anything i'll post it up for sure, dont thinki can get to an office til next week tho, hopefully get an answer before i get holes in my new front bumper....

[planetdavo]

To be honest, I can only see people trying to pursue this path for "camera avoidance" reasons.
If people want to dance with the devil and not fit them, expect a headache.
Most people don't need another headache...

[08ssv]

I'm starting to think either there is misinformation being presented here, or it is very much someone's interpretation, rather than how the laws are actually meant to be perceived.

You'd hate to spend $10,000 in legal fees to gain a moral victory.


The number plate having to be in the middle for instance.

What about the Alfa 147?
http://www.italiancar.net/site/FACTfiles/alfa/alfa147GTA_Seles/picts_big/Alfa_147_GTASelespeed_AU_18a_lg.jpg

Driving into work today, I was looking at front number plates.

The amount of old and new cars which didn't have provisions for number plates, but were simply screwed into a rounded bar was amazing.

Keep your eyes peeled.
So many cars are in this boat, surely they couldn't seriously allow everone to start dropping the plates.



Laws are always open to interpretation. They are brought in to be perceived in one way but in effect leave themselves open to interpretation. This is especially prevalent in New South Wales Traffic Law. I have spent many dull hours sitting in a courtroom while arguments of defintition of Law have been going on. It is my interpretation of the law but with six and a half years Highway Patrol experience and now being Traffic Supervisor for a major metropolitan Local Area Command with the NSWPF I dont see it as misinformation.

As I have stated earlier this legislation was designed for Lambos etc etc, but due to the wording of the exemption it encompasses other vehicles. As for the Alfa having the number plate to one side it meets the requirements of the legislation because it was designed to do so. If you have, for example, a normal SS commodore and throw a numberplate to one side you will be copping a $300 ticket and probably a defect to go along with it, depending upon the copper.

Even though I dont own one of the SE SSV, if I did I wouldnt be putting a front plate on it now with this exemption but then I probably have an advantage over most in that if some copper tried to give me a pill I would be able to tell him exactly why I did not need to have one.

But as I also said before my advice would be to fit the vinyl sticker copy of a numberplate to the car. Win win situation. You are as practicably as possible complying with displaying number plate legislation (even though you dont have to display) and not having to drill holes in your bar.

As you stated driving around you can see heaps of cars that could comply with this exemption and you are absolutely right. They do. People seem to believe that the Government couldnt bring this in when there are so many loopholes in it. Well since when have you known the State or Federal Government to have anything of that lost art of common sense.

In the last twelve months two pieces of legislation have been advertised to be going to be put in place in New South Wales and then been put on the backburner. The first was the suspension legislation in relation to lowering and raising vehicles. People who know nothing about cars designed this legislation and though it would be a great idea. Basic premise for lowering was not allowed a certain height (cant remember exact amount) lower than standard suspension height of the vehicle as from the factory. My SS V when I bought it sat as high as a 4wd yet brand new HWP SS commodores sat as low as mine when I lowered it. In NSW we get extra wiring harnesses in the vehicle but everything else is stock as sold to general public including suspension. That legislation was slated for review but it will never see the light of day again.

The second is the new child restraint laws slated to come into force on March 1st. They didnt even though the media are still advertising it. Its been put on hold till July which will blow out to September and on and on.

There are numerous other areas where there are little clauses and loopholes to get mods and what not through in traffic legislation. It can work against you and for you.

I dont take any negative comments to heart and merely post the information as information only. It is up to individuals to decide for themselves what they want to do with it if anything at all.

Cheers

[Uwish]

Thank fu(k.
Brother lambo looks gay with teh front plate

[planetdavo]

Thank fu(k.
Brother lambo looks gay with teh front plate

Every car would look better designed for a world without number plates.

[the mooch]

well, too late. i screwed the number plate into the front bar yesterday. but i took a slightly different approach. i made up some aluminium right angle brackets that screw into the upper section of the lower grilles and protrude out and up. the brackets are held in place with some scrivets . i spent about two hours pulling the front fascia apart in a way that allowed me to screw to the bumper beam with similar brackets, but to no avail. so i took the next best option imo. the way i've mounted the brackets means the fascia stays hole free. the only parts that get holes are easily replaceable, are unpainted, and the hole location means they can't be seen even if you took the brackets off, not that i'd need to. i'd post some pics, i'm not allowed to yet:)

[OzJavelin]

Interesting .. my wifes FG XR6 ute was four screws at the top of the front number plate to force it to bend around the curve of the front bar. Sounds like it's not designed to fit and should be except too! :)

BTW: Would historic LHD vehicles (eg. from America with "small" numberplate holders) also be allowed to not run a front plate (or rear?), or must they be listed? In Victoria, I had to make a custom rear plate bracket to push the laregr Aussie plate out so it was not bent .. AND make a modified light out to the new position (all very ugly)

[bonners]

Slightly off topic. I was at Holden the other week and was looking at a E2. I noticed that it obviously had the indent for a plate but it didn't actually have holes in the bar itself for screws. Is this correct? Are you supposed to just drill some holes and mount that way. IMO, it seems a very poor fitting option when I am spending up to $100k on a car.

[moconn20]

Slightly off topic. I was at Holden the other week and was looking at a E2. I noticed that it obviously had the indent for a plate but it didn't actually have holes in the bar itself for screws. Is this correct? Are you supposed to just drill some holes and mount that way. IMO, it seems a very poor fitting option when I am spending up to $100k on a car.

i dont know about you but my ssv didnt come with holes when i got it brand new either. i think you'll find all holdens are like this.


I wonder if this rule would apply to those people who have done a G8 conversion to their VE? or if it applies only to vehicles not suited to front numberplates as they come from factory?

[6Sixes6]

I've got a SE SS V ute and would agree with most of the comments on here. I'd love to just not have the front number but it doesnt actually bother me that much and (I'd have to have anotehr look but) I'm pretty sure it's only 2 screws holding it in.

Agree with the pedestrian argument, when I first got it i whacked my shin into the plate when moving around the front of it and luckily I hadn't pulled the dealers plate protector off or it'd have hurt a bit more.

[shreksm]

When you consider how many tollways, speed / red light cameras and the like that are around nowdays, and the need to identify vehicles - front and rear number plates are a must. For this reason alone I don't see this happening.

[Devil CV8]

When you consider how many tollways, speed / red light cameras and the like that are around nowdays, and the need to identify vehicles - front and rear number plates are a must. For this reason alone I don't see this happening.
In NSW it already is able to happen, as of 1/2/2010.

[REDHOTLS3]

If you can order a slimline for the front in your state they do look better, but they cost you.

[DTAILA]

My dealer so kindly drilled holes into the front bar of my ssv special edition to mount the plate .

How nice of them to drill the holes crooked :goodjob:

[the mooch]

My dealer so kindly drilled holes into the front bar of my ssv special edition to mount the plate .

How nice of them to drill the holes crooked :goodjob:

yep, care factor 0% attitude by workers at the dealerships is the primary reason for me requesting the front plate not be put on.

[shreksm]

In NSW it already is able to happen, as of 1/2/2010.

Sorry Devil, I stand corrected - maybe speed cameras and tollways aren't that much of an issue in NSW:confused:

[Hos]

i have been told by my local Service SA (RTA) that there is nothing like this in SA so i will have to put a plate on the front...:vpo:

rules are rules....

i'll be more pissed off if something changes in coming months to follow NSW legislation.

[Benboy]

Legislation in SA regarding number plates is very specific. In short, you must have plates fitted to the front and rear of your vehicle. there are exceptions (motor bikes etc). The full wording of the Regulations can be found her ....http://www.legislation.sa.gov.au/LZ/C/R/MOTOR%20VEHICLES%20REGULATIONS%201996.aspx

[the mooch]

i have been told by my local Service SA (RTA) that there is nothing like this in SA so i will have to put a plate on the front...:vpo:

rules are rules....

i'll be more pissed off if something changes in coming months to follow NSW legislation.

i can send you a pic of how/where i mounted my front plate. it's not screwed into the bar. pm me if you are interested, regards the mooch

[moconn20]

Iv seen a couple of special editions around my area with the numberplate mounted on the lower left black grille section. dont know it its legal but avoids drilling holes.

[DTAILA]

Hi has anybody got a link to this legislation on the RTA website?

[ti0350]

Hi has anybody got a link to this legislation on the RTA website?

I think this is it, sorry but it's long and I didnt have time to check it out fully..
http://www.legislation.nsw.gov.au/fullhtml/inforce/subordleg+522+2007+pt.6+0+N?#pt.2-div.5

[KarmaG8]

Hey guys,
New legislation was brought into force in New South Wales on the 01/02/2010 in relation to displaying number plates. I will post the legislation below. What it effectively states is that if a vehicle is manufactured in such a way that it is not practicable to display a registration plate then that vehicle is exempt from doing so.

This legislation practically covers cars such as Fezzas and Lambos etc but also after examining the legislation it has also been found to encompass the SS V special edition with the Pontiac front bumper Due to its design being made for North America where the displaying of a front number plate is not required for the majority of states. This legislation would also apply to anyone lucky enough to have 150k to fork out for a new Camaro as well.

What this effectively means is that there are 3 options available to owners of these vehicles

1. Have the number plate bracket available fitted and fit the number plate.

2. Have a Vinyl Sticker replica made of your number plate and fix to front.

3. You are exempt from displaying a plate at the front.

I would opt for option 2 myself as it will stop a lot of hassle from being pulled over and having to explain that you are exempt. This is only new legislation and will take a while for it to be common knowledge.

Hope this assists some of you,

THE LEGISLATION

NUMBER PLATE EXEMPTION
The Roads & Traffic Authority have advised that they have issued an exemption notice in relation to the display of number plates under the provisions of clause 10 of Sch 2 of the Road Transport (Vehicle Registration) Regulation 2007. This exemption took effect on 1 February 2010. The exemption covers clause 61(2)(c)



61 Number-plates
(1) In this clause:

number includes a letter of the alphabet.

vehicle number-plate means a number-plate other than a bicycle-rack number-plate.

(2) The vehicle number-plate issued by the Authority for a vehicle must be permanently affixed to the vehicle so that (assuming the vehicle to be on level ground):
(a) the number-plate is at all times:
(i) in an upright position that is substantially parallel to the vehicle’s axles, and
(ii) not more than 1.3 metres above ground level, and
(b) the number-plate is not obscured, defaced or otherwise not legible, and
(c) the numbers on the number-plate are clearly visible from a distance of 20 metres at any point within an arc of 45 degrees from the surface of the number-plate above or to either side of the vehicle, as shown in figures 1 and 2 of diagram 1 (in relation to heavy vehicles) and figures 1 and 2 of diagram 2 (in relation to light vehicles), and
(d) any cover on the number-plate:
(i) is clear, clean, untinted and flat over its entire surface, and
(ii) has no reflective or other characteristics that would prevent the successful operation of a device approved for use under a law relating to the detection of traffic offences, and
(e) in the case of a motor vehicle other than a motor bike—one number-plate is affixed to the front of the vehicle and another to its rear, and
(f) in the case of a motor bike or trailer—at least one number-plate is affixed to its rear, and
(g) in the case of a motor vehicle for which number-plates of different sizes are issued—the larger of the number-plates is affixed to the rear of the vehicle.



The exemption has the following effect.

Clause 61 (2)(c) regarding the display of number plates on a registerable vehicle does NOT apply if:
a) due to the original construction of the vehicle it is not practicable to comply with that subclause; or
b) the number-plate is affixed in a manner that complies so far as practicable with the subclause.

Note that this exemption applies only to the original construction of the vehicle, therefore does not cover vehicles that have been modified irrespective of the modification being approved by an engineering signatory

The small amount of Legislation experience I have tells me straight away that this is not an exemption from running a front plate.

The exemption is only from clause 61 (2) (c) which covers angle of visibility, not all of section 61 (2)

All the remainder of section 2 is still non negotiable. I'm sure 08ssv has mis-interpreted this exemption. The exemption is aimed at vehicles with large, deep frontal air ducts where the plate is mounted too far back in the duct to meet the angle of visibility rules.

[JJW501]

:1peek:I think all you SE owners are missing the point.

Any benefit to looks one might gain from not running a front number plate are far outweighed by the ugly yankee front end anyway.

Or do you need more room to bolt on Bowtie badges??......i think that is the real reason!

[Chris_L98]

Or do you need more room to bolt on Bowtie badges??

That is the one thing I simply don't get :confused:

[andrewslr]

I'm starting to think either there is misinformation being presented here, or it is very much someone's interpretation, rather than how the laws are actually meant to be perceived.

You'd hate to spend $10,000 in legal fees to gain a moral victory.


The number plate having to be in the middle for instance.

What about the Alfa 147?
http://www.italiancar.net/site/FACTfiles/alfa/alfa147GTA_Seles/picts_big/Alfa_147_GTASelespeed_AU_18a_lg.jpg

Driving into work today, I was looking at front number plates.

The amount of old and new cars which didn't have provisions for number plates, but were simply screwed into a rounded bar was amazing.

Keep your eyes peeled.
So many cars are in this boat, surely they couldn't seriously allow everone to start dropping the plates.

The Alfa 147, 156, 159, etc actually have a flat section to the LHS of the front bar to mount the plate, along with some indented guide holes to be drilled. Pedantic I know, but the bumper is designed for a number plate.

I would assume that with plastic front bars the norm, there is an expectation of the dealer drilling to mount number plates, but left blank to accommodate the varying size plates between states.

The Italians know a thing about beautiful cars, food and women!

[planetdavo]

The Italians know a thing about beautiful cars, food and women!

Option one breaks the wallet maintaining it.
Option two breaks belt buckles.
Option three breaks both the wallet and the heart.
:)

[KarmaG8]

:1peek:I think all you SE owners are missing the point.

Any benefit to looks one might gain from not running a front number plate are far outweighed by the ugly yankee front end anyway.

Or do you need more room to bolt on Bowtie badges??......i think that is the real reason!

Too cynical for your own good mate, why would anyone bolt a CHEV badge on a PONTIAC front?

[JJW501]

Too cynical for your own good mate, why would anyone bolt a CHEV badge on a PONTIAC front?

Hahaha this was weeks ago!!!!!!!!

I did see a chev badge on a SV6 the other day.

I don't understand it at all. Your statement does not make any sense of putting a Chev badge on a Holden. Or a Pontiac grill on a Holden.

Why don't you make it left hand drive? Then the yankee wannabe's would really think you have a genuine US muscle car.

JJW

[Hos]

Cars are a personal thing. some drive Holden's, others drive Frauds.

so not everyone is gonna like the G8 Front end, and not everyone likes the standard VE holden front end.

each to their own, again.

[JJW501]

Cars are a personal thing. some drive Holden's, others drive Frauds.

so not everyone is gonna like the G8 Front end, and not everyone likes the standard VE holden front end.

each to their own, again.

I agree mate......i was just stirring for a little fun, no insult intended for SE owners! (why do you have to be reasonable and ruin the fun?!:stick:

I am yet to see an SE on the road without a front number plate, so I think this idea is dead in the water unfortunately.

JJW

[moconn20]

Too cynical for your own good mate, why would anyone bolt a CHEV badge on a PONTIAC front?

Why would anyone dig up an old thread to continue a lame chev badge argument.
And for the record there is a "special edition" sedan in the Newcastle area with chev badges.

[Space Pope]

Quite a few US states forgo a front 'licence plate' altogether. Seems not to create issues there. (Mind they probably don't have two way static speed cameras booking folks 24x7 either).