Respect for police.....or lack of it.

[Pickles]

I was disgusted with that video in the "Mark Weber" thread.

YouTube- Lebanese Car Hoons in Sydney

Why should the Police have to put up with that sort of crap? In fact, why do they put up with it? Why can't they take action against these louts? Why can't they be charged for things like, disobeying a lawful request from a Police Officer, Threatening a Police Officer, battery, intimidating behaviour, etc etc.
I know NOTHING about the law, but can only say that in my day, if we had behaved in that way towards a Police Officer, there is NO WAY, we wouldn't have been charged.
That is why these sorts of things/behaviour like we've seen on this video continue to happen.....because these idiots do this stuff......and they DON'T get charged......nothing happens to them.....so they continue to do it!
Like I said, I don't think the Police should have to put up/tolerate this sort of stuff, and I believe that anyone exhibiting this sort of behaviour should be arrested & charged. So, my question is, "Why aren't they"?
Cheers, Pickles.

[VX2VESS]

not seen it yet but i agree they getaway with too much.

but so many doing it they have no room for them all to be locked up or charged and let go probably take a week they need more police.

[JimmyXR6T04]

If i was a cop, i'd be thinking what's the point? Arrest, charge and get into a scuffle during the process of making the arrest.. Even when some one is charged with assault police they get off with bugger all when it all goes to court. Why would the cops bother doing hours of paper work, only for the crook to be given a slap on the wrist and a small fine?

[VX_INT]

Up here on the Gold coast they dont take shit i work at Boardbeach and you dont want to get on there bad side.... need i say more.

[Pickles]

Excellent work mods, thank you!
Actually, I don't know how to do that (include the video!)
But having said that, of course my post was not only relative to this video....we all see this sort of stuff on TV all the time, from all parts of Aus, so it's widespread, & to me, seems to be getting worse, every day.
I'm simply saying that IMHO these guys, especially the one threatening the Police officer to take his gun off, let's go rarara.....should be arrested & charged. Nobody should be allowed to threaten a Police Officer in that way, & get away with it. As long as that sort of behaviour goes unpunished, things can only get worse for the Police, and the general Public.
Cheers, Pickles.

[JimmyXR6T04]

Excellent work mods, thank you!
Actually, I don't know how to do that (include the video!)
But having said that, of course my post was not only relative to this video....we all see this sort of stuff on TV all the time, from all parts of Aus, so it's widespread, & to me, seems to be getting worse, every day.
I'm simply saying that IMHO these guys, especially the one threatening the Police officer to take his gun off, let's go rarara.....should be arrested & charged. Nobody should be allowed to threaten a Police Officer in that way, & get away with it. As long as that sort of behaviour goes unpunished, things can only get worse for the Police, and the general Public.
Cheers, Pickles.

There are laws against this sort of thing, you can be done for obstruct/hinder/intimidate but the cop has to weigh up whether it's worth going for an arrest/conviction etc... Not much will change until the courts get tough!

[Tony66]

Gutless Lebbos! They are the worst offenders for having no respect for anything or anyone. If the cops would stand up to them and thump a few...I mean, arrest a few then they would calm down. :flipoff: :machinegun:

[Desertws6]

Absolute Shocking behavior! :shock:

Police are to be respected and their job is hard enough, and then to have to deal with people like this.

I'm sure they would have a different attitude if someone was stealing their car or breaking into their home. I doubt you would hear that sort of degradation.

Just my 2c worth,
Steve

[seedyrom]

Dont forget that story on ACA was ran just after the cronulla riots, when 5000 Anglo Australian's gathered to beat up anyone who was ethnic (especially lebanese)


http://www.oz8.org/gallery/albums/Seedyrom/cronulla.jpg

Apologies for not infering that the day was meant to be a peaceful protest.

The media did their best during that time to create a racial cultural divide.
They suceeded. That video is an example, and I certainly wouldn't use an ACA clip to form my opinion

[theVman]

Unfortunately this kind of behaviour taints the whole scene. You can see by recent events why some Police target us. I know if I was abused I would certainly not be as nice as I could back. There is just no respect for authority which I personally find disgusting.

Police take a lot more than they dish out most of the time. In most cases they are a lot more patient and accomodating than most of us give them credit for.

[bad88u]

http://i313.photobucket.com/albums/ll379/bad88u/pd2402140.jpg

straight after the riots and rocks shooting they formed the riot squad.(ninja turtles) got pretty quiet after that for awhile. then the bikie war not that long ago.

[255-LS1]

why is it always wogs (mainly lebos) that are involved with this stuff.

how was the one that going off his nuts "dogs dogs, you want to go, lets fight". i honestly dont know how the police cop stuff like that and have the nerve to just do nothing.. maybe they get used to it.

what a pack of oxygen thiefs.

[BECAUZ]

Gutless Lebbos! They are the worst offenders for having no respect for anything or anyone. If the cops would stand up to them and thump a few...I mean, arrest a few then they would calm down. :flipoff: :machinegun:


A bit of a generalisation there much?

Your from perth so you must be an obese bogan.

Anyone who treats an officer with disrespect should get locked up. And you used to not long ago. I seen a guy in the city one night ask the copper what would happen if he called him a dickhead. Police said he'd look him up. He then asked what would happen if he thought he was a dickhead and the officer replied nothing as long as you dont say it. The guy ended up in the back of the cop car for saying i think your a dickhead.

Bring out coppers with balls. They've got plenty of laws in there favour as it is. You need old school coppers, not the ones we have today, especially not the ones that dob each other in for petty $hit

[SHANESVZSS]

^ im going to disagree here BECAUZ (to a certain extent) i dont think the coppers are soft nor do i think tougher cops will do any better i say this ONLY because coppers cop abuse off both kinds all day , now the moment a copper lays a hand on someone and they happen to "fall" to the ground or get knocked about , bruised ect ect they then complain that the coppers used "heavy handed" resort , the copper/s get in crap and warned ect some even suspended , its the LAW that has to change and yes even some tougher cops who can be brought in , try spitting on a cop in the US and see what happens.. the police dont have many riights in their favour and its a joke , the very law they swear to up hold lets THEM down.

[nthnbeachesguy]

I have a mate in the ME crime squad, he seems to enjoy his work immensely.

[Oztrack Tuning]

Police are let down by the legal system almost everywhere other than with road rules. They desperately need law reform because they see the hypocrisy here as well. But its been hijacked by left wingers who prefer give poor people chances and fine the rich. They think by ignoring problems they will go away.

[ILLUSIV1]

I have a mate in the ME crime squad, he seems to enjoy his work immensely.

What the hell is the ME Crime Squad?

[OMR346]

^ im going to disagree here BECAUZ (to a certain extent) i dont think the coppers are soft nor do i think tougher cops will do any better i say this ONLY because coppers cop abuse off both kinds all day , now the moment a copper lays a hand on someone and they happen to "fall" to the ground or get knocked about , bruised ect ect they then complain that the coppers used "heavy handed" resort , the copper/s get in crap and warned ect some even suspended , its the LAW that has to change and yes even some tougher cops who can be brought in , try spitting on a cop in the US and see what happens.. the police dont have many riights in their favour and its a joke , the very law they swear to up hold lets THEM down.

There was an inncident a couple of years ago ont he Gold Coast. The Police went to a house where an Aboriginal couple were having a domestic. They were trying to calm them down, when the female spat on the officer. That changed the whole game. She was cuffed, drag out the front, and then after spitting again, slammed face first into the bonnet of the patrol car.

The whole thing was caught on film, and sent to ACA. They showed it on the news that night, and some Aboriginal rights group had a big up raw about it. They said they wanted the Officers fired and charged. The Police Commisioner told them to stick it up there ass, and said the Officers had every right to do what they did. They were resisting arrest and assaulted an Officer, and there fore had to be restrained in that manner.

That was one of the best things i have ever seen on ACA. The Police Commissioner telling them to go jump. Now if only that would happen more often.

[Hi Octane]

What the hell is the ME Crime Squad?


Middle Eastern..........

[ILLUSIV1]

Obviously not in melbourne. NSW I assume???

[JimmyXR6T04]

A bit of a generalisation there much?

Your from perth so you must be an obese bogan.

Anyone who treats an officer with disrespect should get locked up. And you used to not long ago. I seen a guy in the city one night ask the copper what would happen if he called him a dickhead. Police said he'd look him up. He then asked what would happen if he thought he was a dickhead and the officer replied nothing as long as you dont say it. The guy ended up in the back of the cop car for saying i think your a dickhead.

Bring out coppers with balls. They've got plenty of laws in there favour as it is. You need old school coppers, not the ones we have today, especially not the ones that dob each other in for petty $hit


The problem is trying to justify your use of force... Get investigated or found out to be using excessive force and you can say goodbye to your job, plus be found liable for injury etc... No cop wants that extra burden on their plate!

[moconn20]

straight after the riots and rocks shooting they formed the riot squad.(ninja turtles) got pretty quiet after that for awhile..

... untill 2 or 3 cops from the riot squad got sacked for tazing a middle eastern man for not moving out of their way on the footpath.

[nthnbeachesguy]

Obviously not in melbourne. NSW I assume???


Yeah in NSW, see him every now and then when I go home and some of the stories he has are intersting to say the least.

[Ellistwo]

.............I'm simply saying that IMHO these guys, especially the one threatening the Police officer to take his gun off, let's go rarara.....should be arrested & charged. Nobody should be allowed to threaten a Police Officer in that way, & get away with it. As long as that sort of behaviour goes unpunished, things can only get worse for the Police, and the general Public.
Cheers, Pickles.


Didn't they write down his name and address? Perhaps they have something special planned for him?

[Jarhead]

Most of these situations escalate when the numbers are in their favour. People get real tough when they have a few mates around them. Imagine the same dude with 5 or 6 SPG cops around him. I'm guessing his tone and attitude would have been very different.

The problem with mob violence is that it is not racially specific. Yes these guys were Lebs but the Bob Jane riot recently was mostly AS males.

I think the cops in this video did the right thing and didn't flame the sistuation.

I train in MMA some of the toughest cops in Qld and I can assure you this kind of intimidation would not go unpunished. The problem is that a good % of cops really aren't trained or capable of fighting off an agressive attacker. The use of lethal force would have been very inappropriate in situaltions like the video clip (although many would argue it would be a good idea).

[Bako88]

Do the Hoons bring a lot of money? Is that why they get away with so much?

[vx_clubby]

Send them back to their parent country is the best option surely?? Then they can act like that there??
Oh I forgot Australia is the worlds dumping ground....silly me.
As for taking their cars, what a brain dead fkn idea, it will stop them for a small amount of time then until they decide they want mine or someone elses car instead to hoon around in.

Its quite interesting that they start that 10pm Sunday night though, I normally want to sleep by then haha.

Edit: Good to see the VL doing a good skid :)

[mummbles]

I can't believe the shit people get away with nowadays.
WHen I was a little younger, if you fronted the police even the slightest bit like that they'd throw you in the back of the car, drive you out to somewhere remote, give you a bit of a flogging, take your shoes and leave you there to walk home.
That was back in the days when if you were brought home by the police your parents would give you a flogging too. Not many parents would bother with that sort of response anymore.

[dawkinsdisciple]

NOT condoning disrespect to any officer of the law BUT the government whipping the sh*t out of the road-going public with inundations of road safety b*llshit gives a pretty poor view of most of society's denizens towards the law at the most frequent point of contact (on the road)
HOWEVER
these are just the sort of d*ckheads that hoon laws were created for. it seems however a much easier job of sticking it to someone who's not going to give a fight. thanks to these wankers we have them and we get stiffed with the full force of the law for minor indiscretions...

[Clubby317]

Police are let down by the legal system almost everywhere other than with road rules. They desperately need law reform because they see the hypocrisy here as well. But its been hijacked by left wingers who prefer give poor people chances and fine the rich. They think by ignoring problems they will go away.


+1 to that.

Give our police the same powers as they have in the US. That will sort these wankers out..

[vx_clubby]

+1 to that.

Give our police the same powers as they have in the US. That will sort these wankers out..

I agree with that too, I was thinking bring 50-100 of them over with their own rules to sort out the area lol.

[cnnonyx]

+1 to that.

Give our police the same powers as they have in the US. That will sort these wankers out..

Dude, things are pretty sh*t in the US.

Thats one of the sh*ttest places in the world to live - with respect to crime etc.

[LS1-5.7]

As far as the choice of arresting or not is concerned, it also has alot to do with the odds. The cops were seriously outnumbered by this lot and it may have led to a far more serious situation. There are always other ways to handle it and follow up on a later date ;)

In todays world we consider some of the actions on that video to be within the bounds of "terrorism" and they should be treated as such.

If we went over to lebanon and carried on like this in their country would we be popular ? I think not. Jail time would be imminent.

We allow them into this country freely and willingly but, if it is too much to ask to behave like civilised human beings, then go back ! No one is holding you here ! And no I am not racist, but I am able to work out if people from a certain background are behaving like animals. If you come to this country then appreciate it like we do or :flipoff:

[vx_clubby]

Dude, things are pretty sh*t in the US.

Thats one of the sh*ttest places in the world to live - with respect to crime etc.

Dont think thats what he meant, he meant they wouldnt take that shit from them. They'd pound their head into the ground until they got back to Lebanon.

[Vulture]

NOT condoning disrespect to any officer of the law BUT the government whipping the sh*t out of the road-going public with inundations of road safety b*llshit gives a pretty poor view of most of society's denizens towards the law at the most frequent point of contact (on the road)

Agree 100%. No wonder the respect for Police is dropping on a yearly basis.

[LSavvy]

Bunch of dopes..... Cops really need zero tolerance policing, absolute appalling behaviour.




why is it always wogs (mainly lebos) that are involved with this stuff.



That is a silly generalisation....I have seen many Anglo's carry on like that.


Should i assume your a bogan Aussie?

[dawkinsdisciple]

america's is based on fear because they have such a fractured, fearful society. it shouldn't have to come to that. while it's gives pleasure to see them putting a wifebeating crackheads face into the ground, it's a very self-deprecating way to conduct a society. obviously a much larger question of social capital awaits here.

a system based on mutual respect would be the best ideal. requires levels of social cohesion not present in Australia really something that works exceedingly well in Japan for example.

they are there to protect us from ourselves (on the road for example) but from each other as well. the more we are deprived of personal responsibility and harangued about our inability to look after ourselves, the less we'll respect the people tsk tsking us. furthermore, we become more reliant on the government to look after us and prevent us from injuring ourselves. classic nanny state arguments. further, the more we are harassed and the less we see them protecting us from each other, from some of the truly malignant areas of society, the less likely thinking people are to hold them in a high place in society and the more suspicious we become of their efficacy and usefulness.

of course for people who don't actually think, as shown, a show of force is probably all they understand.

[Oztrack Tuning]

We are absolute supporters of the Police in my family and believe in using the law as much as possible BUT i hate how the countrys laws on the one hand have been hijacked by softies (the type that would make Australia the political correctness capital of the world) but on the other hand only tweaked by ruling parties to make cash via road laws.

The NSW Attorney General is not pushing for any more law reform simply because they created most of the policies we hate since being in government. To change it now is an admission of error. So we wait, even the Politicians (who agree) who are in the ruling parties wait for after our next election. The Police of NSW can't control Youth crime regardless of its cultural basis. They are not being backed in the courts because of the Young Offenders Act.

[Louie_D]

You know what, reading this thread is pissing me off being ethnic myself and reading the racist comments some of you people are making. I thought this forumn was spose to be under good behaviour or are you mods enjoying reading this crap? Always the wogs lol heard that one before. Im sure this thread would have been closed a long time ago if a so called "wog" mentioned anything about an anglo. Yeah sure theres asshole ethnics out there but you guys are all angels and never commit crime right?

[LooneyR8]

The funny thing is Louie...I dont see colour or ethnicity. I see black and white only. I wouldnt care if the person was pink or purple. Every person whether a police officer or a cleaner deserves some kind of respect. But respect is earned and to act in this way is just not the way it should be.

Back to the real world......A real man will take it on the chin......I know that my car is modified and possibly to loud and if pulled over I will take what I get because I personally have taken the risk....But some people in our society, no matter there background, seem to want to create trouble.

I work hard as do all of us here and that does not give us the right to go and throw a burnout or use working hard as an excuse to flaunt the law or to abuse a person that is trying to protect society.

The Bob Jane incident is a perfect example of what can happen when an over exhuberant group of people get together no matter what there background....

People need to stop making excuses for there actions and take it on the chin...the sooner they start doing that the better off they will be in both there personal and professional life.

[dawkinsdisciple]

You know what, reading this thread is pissing me off being ethnic myself and reading the racist comments some of you people are making. I thought this forumn was spose to be under good behaviour or are you mods enjoying reading this crap? Always the wogs lol heard that one before. Im sure this thread would have been closed a long time ago if a so called wog mentioned anything about an "anglo". Yeah sure theres asshole ethnics out there but you guys are all angels and never commit crime right?

it can be pretty embarrassing... especially when your an anglo-wog. and while not defending it, putting it into perspective, racism is a pretty universal trend. Indian friends bagging any of the subcontinent to the west and east almost as well as their own regional areas was something that made me laugh at uni.

got to say, one of the biggest problems here in aus, following some peoples attitudes of course, is the fact that the media loves a good race story - the more incendiary the better. this then feeds into said people world views as well as a lot of fence-sitters or otherwise uninterested parties and turns a non-story into a global f*ck australia's racist masterpiece

but yep, were better then what we were but still a long way to go...

doesn't help with all those lebos stirring the pot either :hide:

[6.2L.Club]

Police really need to harden the fark up, most of them, and mainly the pommy imports have huge ego's which gets in their way to control or diffuse a situation. In the seven years l was a bouncer there was upteen times l had to help cops arrest someone coz they were getting their arses kicked all over the street.

"Bring out coppers with balls. They've got plenty of laws in there favour as it is. You need old school coppers, not the ones we have today, especially not the ones that dob each other in for petty $hit"

I agree with this toally. Most of the coppers nowdays are academic, fit tosspots that couldn't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. Bring back the days of the old fat cop that if he caught you, you were a goner for sure :lol: Yeah cops have a shit job but they ask to do it and get paid to do it, if all they wanna do is winge and sook to the bloody union then put them behind a desk or piss them off, We need real cops, with real personalities that you can actually have a rational conversation with instead of being treated like they are better than you and have something to prove.

What the government should do is ban cameras and video's in phones etc so the real cops can get on with doing their job without fear of some tosser dobbing someone in for cracking a moron over the back of the head for being the idiot they were. And for any foreign people that cause trouble or get done for a seroius criminal offence, they should be forced to be sent back to wherever the hell they came from. 7 or 8 years ago when we started using metal detectors on the doors to clubs, most asians thought it was ok to have a knife on them and that it was the norm just to leave it in the cloak room for them to pick up on their way back out the door. The nerve of some people is just a joke!!

[VYSHSV8]

I couldn't have said it any Better myself Tim :):)


Its like the old days you used get pulled over by7 the coppers if ya were doing wrong and they made a decision if they wanted to give you a warning or not :):). Now ya get a ticket in the mail or a person preeching ****in Hoon laws that are every road rule on the road :(

[Shulkor]

Australia's going to be fked in 20 years you wont even be able to go out after dark without getting bashed by a gang....

Police don't fix the problems cause the race card just gets played and that's why they wont take any action in my opinion.

Bugga all this crap where all human all the same even if it's the virgin marry her self is slagging the police and spiting at them toughen up get ya club out and give her a beat down.

It's a disgrace that police can be treated like that.
If they did that in half the other country's in the world they would be shot on the spot.

[rodp]

I can't believe the shit people get away with nowadays.
WHen I was a little younger, if you fronted the police even the slightest bit like that they'd throw you in the back of the car, drive you out to somewhere remote, give you a bit of a flogging, take your shoes and leave you there to walk home.
That was back in the days when if you were brought home by the police your parents would give you a flogging too. Not many parents would bother with that sort of response anymore.

Exactly. I know of a few mates who were on the end of a floggin for being dickheads in the 80's. No court, no fines just get your lumps and on your way. It certainly went a long way in tempering their shenanigans.

They're not respected by some because they carry no power or weight - particularly to young males. The world has become too PC in that someone can verbally abuse and threaten an officer (infront of a camera!!) and the officer for whatever reason feels that there's no point in acting on it... or if they do, there's a royal commission about it.

I want a Police Force protecting society. To some, a firm hand is the only thing they'll show any sort of respect for, and the clowns in that video need several firm hands to get the message.

[JimmyXR6T04]

Exactly. I know of a few mates who were on the end of a floggin for being dickheads in the 80's. No court, no fines just get your lumps and on your way. It certainly went a long way in tempering their shenanigans.

They're not respected by some because they carry no power or weight - particularly to young males. The world has become too PC in that someone can verbally abuse and threaten an officer (infront of a camera!!) and the officer for whatever reason feels that there's no point in acting on it... or if they do, there's a royal commission about it.

I want a Police Force protecting society. To some, a firm hand is the only thing they'll show any sort of respect for, and the clowns in that video need several firm hands to get the message.


And that's the main problem, the world is too PC... Not to mention if a cop uses force and the 'public' deem it excessive, then he'll end up going through a load of sh*t for what? As i mentioned earlier, people can assault police and when it gets to court they are essentially let off... So if that happens to people who assault police, what's the point of taking action on people who simply 'verbally' abuse police?

It's all well and good to say they need a beating, but the cops are the ones putting their jobs on the line for it...

[smokey777]

just too many whingers & dickheads nowdays. to me a cop should give ya a floggin if ya deserve it. the world is just getting worse & worse & the cops are stuck with being able to do less & less its bullshit. dont matter what race you are i cant see the reason for people to even argue about a ticket for speeding.

[VX2VESS]

its the goodie goodies again

can't do this, can't say that. ends up friggen everything up long term.

some things are done for a reason, some need something to remember and expect if they do it again. works for most except the crazy.

on the racist thing.
even whites gang up on each other, its not just picking on other races its part of life it seems. Get all white together in a country they will pick on each other, oh you look different, you not from my area etc etc...

What about goes on in other countries, they can't get on with each other either. it has got worse since accepting people coming from countries in the last 20, its getting worse here now . it not just white on ME, Asian, Chinese, Italian, Aboriginal are also fighting each other

i have no idea why people want to be in a gang to fight and kill or whatever. I've got better things to do with my time than storming and suburbs with wild apes...

[rodp]

And that's the main problem, the world is too PC... Not to mention if a cop uses force and the 'public' deem it excessive, then he'll end up going through a load of sh*t for what? As i mentioned earlier, people can assault police and when it gets to court they are essentially let off... So if that happens to people who assault police, what's the point of taking action on people who simply 'verbally' abuse police?

It's all well and good to say they need a beating, but the cops are the ones putting their jobs on the line for it...

20+ years ago, their job wasn't on the line for it. I'm sure it was officially discouraged but unofficially it was - there's a stack of yellow pages just outside the cells lads, just incase you forget the number for Pizza Hut.

These guys use violence and abuse to instill fear in order to control, it's also the only thing they'll likely respond to (if anything...) and when you get any sort of aggressive young punks in a group, it exponentially magnifies.

I don't think it'll ever happen though, not now.. and in the case of the video above, and the clowns that busted up the TMart store, us genuine car enthusiasts get lumped in with them.

[SHANESVZSS]

a little while ago this inncident happened , this is a link for the people who havent seen it..

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/mcleods-not-guilty-of-assault-20090311-8v7y.html


perfect example of our "great legal system"

[JimmyXR6T04]

20+ years ago, their job wasn't on the line for it. I'm sure it was officially discouraged but unofficially it was - there's a stack of yellow pages just outside the cells lads, just incase you forget the number for Pizza Hut.

These guys use violence and abuse to instill fear in order to control, it's also the only thing they'll likely respond to (if anything...) and when you get any sort of aggressive young punks in a group, it exponentially magnifies.

I don't think it'll ever happen though, not now.. and in the case of the video above, and the clowns that busted up the TMart store, us genuine car enthusiasts get lumped in with them.

Unfortunately in 20yrs a lot has changed, the world has literally gone soft. I remember reading an article a few months back that suggested that Thomas the tank engine childrens show was sexist... Go figure! As if my 3yo gives a toss about sexism, yet certain people seem to think it valid consideration?

I've heard some great stories from some older coppers, and what they did back then, they'd surely be out of a job if they did now. The problem is, crims know they can complain/whinge and cops will be investigated... Years back, whinging only got you an extra beating!

[Daves ss]

I HAD a lebbo mate who was the same as these dicks. I remember one night out with him driving, and he got pulled over by the police, random breath test. He was an absolute smart ass to the copper. Few nights later his car got broken into. Who did he call first?? Police. The same copper came around and remembered what happened. So, he started again. The copper said to him " Mate, act ur age and grow up and took off. He was dumbfounded. Didn't know what to do or say. Just funny to see he response from someone who he gave shit to gave it back to him............

[macca33]

And that's the main problem, the world is too PC... Not to mention if a cop uses force and the 'public' deem it excessive, then he'll end up going through a load of sh*t for what? As i mentioned earlier, people can assault police and when it gets to court they are essentially let off... So if that happens to people who assault police, what's the point of taking action on people who simply 'verbally' abuse police?

It's all well and good to say they need a beating, but the cops are the ones putting their jobs on the line for it...


Good analysis there Jimmy.

The fact is that there is NO support for coppers from within the higher ranks and whilst everyone states, 'You should give these people who muck up a kick in the ar$e and send them home,' those are the same people that, if their son / daughter received that type of gentle reminder and were delivered home in the state that they were found in on any occasion, would be the first to complain.

Coppers are being sued by these clowns on a regular basis and I'm quite certain that they will not put themselves in a position - no matter how popular the law enforcement strategy is to some people - whereby they have the real potential of losing their house and having to pay out to a grub.

The old days are gone - in every sense of the word and in every part of Australian life - it is a pity that social engineers have allowed this reality to eventuate.

I might also hasten to add that people cannot take / promote what laws they choose to obey / disobey, either. We hear heaps of robust discussion with regard to the hoon laws and speed enforcement, where people choose to criticise, yet, they put the boot on the other foot on other occasions.

Coppers do not get the choice of which laws they can choose to enforce - they are sworn to enforce ALL laws.

Unfortunately, the morons of political correctness have created a situation where some groups are now marginalised; simply because they pursue legal activities, such as an enjoyment of cars, etc...

cheers

[Curtis-R]

All those idiots in that clip mouthing off disrespectfully should = one of these

http://i.thisis.co.uk/274236/binaries/taser-Steve-Belshaw.jpg

[smokey777]

'You should give these people who muck up a kick in the ar$e and send them home,' those are the same people that, if their son / daughter received that type of gentle reminder and were delivered home in the state that they were found in on any occasion, would be the first to complain.


see herein lyes the problem whenever my daughter went to someones house i always said to them if she plays up bad you got my permission to smack her arse. see back when i was a kid you were scared that if you played up at ya mates house youd cop a floggin from them, then ya parents when ya got home. it all comes down to the parents all of it. all this dont smack my kid or even allowed to not smack your own kid is a crock of shit & is whats ruining todays dumb arse youth.

[JimmyXR6T04]

Good analysis there Jimmy.

The fact is that there is NO support for coppers from within the higher ranks and whilst everyone states, 'You should give these people who muck up a kick in the ar$e and send them home,' those are the same people that, if their son / daughter received that type of gentle reminder and were delivered home in the state that they were found in on any occasion, would be the first to complain.

Coppers are being sued by these clowns on a regular basis and I'm quite certain that they will not put themselves in a position - no matter how popular the law enforcement strategy is to some people - whereby they have the real potential of losing their house and having to pay out to a grub.

The old days are gone - in every sense of the word and in every part of Australian life - it is a pity that social engineers have allowed this reality to eventuate.

I might also hasten to add that people cannot take / promote what laws they choose to obey / disobey, either. We hear heaps of robust discussion with regard to the hoon laws and speed enforcement, where people choose to criticise, yet, they put the boot on the other foot on other occasions.

Coppers do not get the choice of which laws they can choose to enforce - they are sworn to enforce ALL laws.

Unfortunately, the morons of political correctness have created a situation where some groups are now marginalised; simply because they pursue legal activities, such as an enjoyment of cars, etc...

cheers


That's the problem, use force that is deemed excessive and the cop will get sued by the crim.. Again, for what? Because the crim was being a smart ass and verbally abusing the cop? So the cop does what? Pulls his baton and strikes him? Uses OC? Justify that in court... If you can't justify it, or the court sees it as unjustified, then you're in trouble!

Even if trying to make a lawful arrest you have to be careful when you use your accoutrements these days!

[Desertws6]

I HAD a lebbo mate who was the same as these dicks. I remember one night out with him driving, and he got pulled over by the police, random breath test. He was an absolute smart ass to the copper. Few nights later his car got broken into. Who did he call first?? Police. The same copper came around and remembered what happened. So, he started again. The copper said to him " Mate, act ur age and grow up and took off. He was dumbfounded. Didn't know what to do or say. Just funny to see he response from someone who he gave shit to gave it back to him............

What else would happen? If he gave respect in the first place, he would get respect! Back to my original post#8


All those idiots in that clip mouthing off disrespectfully should = one of these

http://i.thisis.co.uk/274236/binaries/taser-Steve-Belshaw.jpg

Beautiful, Sounds good to me!

But as Macca33 stated: "Coppers are being sued by these clowns on a regular basis and I'm quite certain that they will not put themselves in a position - no matter how popular the law enforcement strategy is to some people - whereby they have the real potential of losing their house and having to pay out to a grub."

These folks are out there to protect and serve, not to lose everything that they have worked for because of some idiot. Why risk it?, because of some language? Not really worth it!

But they will remember who has treated them poorly!


,Steve

[VX2VESS]

is it due to greed things are this way now ?

everyone is trying to make a buck all the way from the wanker up to the judge and lawyers.

Lawyers try to get idiot off on technicalities to make a buck, gov'ts make some laws unfair to make money, crims try to sue back because some other lawyer made a buck doing that before etc etc

need to get back to basics and uncloud all these rules and regs.

if its better to bash some fool as a lesson let them, costs less in the long run, no courts no lawyers no extra expense. less chance of re-offence for some. depends on what they are doing wrong of course.

An i agree kids learn better with a smack, now more than ever you can see the results as the numbers of out of controls grow, increased lack of respect etc

[BEARWOOD]

To the people replying about this being a racist thread, your part of the problem here. "oh he called me a Lebo" but they can run there mouth off and call the cops pigs & dogs and disrespect the "Aussies" that died in wars but don't upset the idiots because were a multicultural country now so we have to be spmpathetic towards them! What a fu(kin joke this country is turning in to because of soft (ock politicians etc.. The people in these videos were Lebanese or similar so i can't see how it's racist to call them Lebanese, thats what they are. Picture me(a white & very australian) man with 15 of my mates in the centre of Lebanon or Thailand carrying on like those tools, threatening police disrespecting there culture and the people who died for it, do you think we would be able to continue on our merry way. I may seem racist but i'm not, i'm a realist and i see through the large amout of imigration we have now our country going down hill fast!!

[KPWISHN]

Agree with you there Bearwood. It's like this boat people problem. Harden the fark up Australia. Do you think you could just waltz into China through the bush or via the ocean or whatever. No farken way. They'll use you as target practice. Yet you don't hear the media complaining. Everyone just knows you don't do it or else. The government need to implement or lose some laws so people of all backgrounds know you just don't fark around with the law here in Australia. The pricks in that video need a proper flogging. If that don't work they can do a few nights in the lock up.

[nthnbeachesguy]

An Anglo Saxon and mates wouldn't last 5 farken seconds carrying on like that in Beirut, Gaza, Amman, Abu Dhabi or anywhere similar and would most likely be lucky to escape with their lives. Why the fark we put up with it here I don't know, we don't owe them a brass razoo, if anything they should be thankful they were allowed into the country and the life afforded them because of it.

[Desertws6]

48 hours in one of these would make someone change their attitude!
http://i299.photobucket.com/albums/mm316/kbinette12/WilliamsburgRetreat022.jpg

This would give back and knee pain not to mention some folks with rotten vegetables, or weather conditions!

A jail cell seems a little too nice!

[wikky]

To the people replying about this being a racist thread, your part of the problem here. "oh he called me a Lebo" but they can run there mouth off and call the cops pigs & dogs and disrespect the "Aussies" that died in wars but don't upset the idiots because were a multicultural country now so we have to be spmpathetic towards them! What a fu(kin joke this country is turning in to because of soft (ock politicians etc.. The people in these videos were Lebanese or similar so i can't see how it's racist to call them Lebanese, thats what they are. Picture me(a white & very australian) man with 15 of my mates in the centre of Lebanon or Thailand carrying on like those tools, threatening police disrespecting there culture and the people who died for it, do you think we would be able to continue on our merry way. I may seem racist but i'm not, i'm a realist and i see through the large amout of imigration we have now our country going down hill fast!!

Great post BEARWOOD, I agree 100%. :yup:

[APCLB]

And whats with these oxygen theifs disrespecting the ANZAC's? That alone made my blood boil,luv to see them carry on like that in Duntroon parade grounds......

[the big fist]

Reminds me of this email doing the rounds:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proudwhite.asp

[BECAUZ]

As long as the human race lives there will be racisim.
Im an aussie. proud of it too. Born at baulkham hills private hospital. My mothers Lebanese and my fathers Brazilian.

Does that make me any less australian then a white fellow? Fuc No. Do police target me coz im brown? Fuc No.

Do i have respect when i get pulled over? Sir yes i do.

I've been let off plenty of times for doing stupid shit as a teenager. only coz i had respect. But its the clowns, and plenty of them have posted in this thread that ruin things.

You cant say those vial feral rats swearing at the police are doing it because their "Lebbo's". Its because they are uneducated. Some may be australian some maybe imports. Regardless, australians all over australia disrespect police from all sorts of demographic backgrounds. Is this because they are all lebbo? No its coz they are fucwits that were brought up by fucwits that were brought up by fucwits.

Its time to move on. You'll never change a dog and a dog wont change you.

[Vulture]

a little while ago this inncident happened , this is a link for the people who havent seen it..

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/mcleods-not-guilty-of-assault-20090311-8v7y.html


perfect example of our "great legal system"

Good post. That is absolutely disgusting. Assault a cop, cause him some partial paralysis and basically walk away scott free. But speed when overtaking.....

[Ellistwo]

You know what, reading this thread is pissing me off being ethnic myself and reading the racist comments some of you people are making. I thought this forumn was spose to be under good behaviour or are you mods enjoying reading this crap? Always the wogs lol heard that one before. Im sure this thread would have been closed a long time ago if a so called "wog" mentioned anything about an anglo. Yeah sure theres asshole ethnics out there but you guys are all angels and never commit crime right?

Well of course you are perpetuating the racism by referring to yourself as ethnic and I would suppose the fair shins as Anglo, when in fact very few could rightly call themselves that. But I do know where you are coming from, these youths probably have as much right to call themselves Australian as the next bone fide bloke so in a way they are behaving like Australians, not the attitude we traditionally like, but if that's what the police, the courts and the govt tolerate as acceptable then that's the way it's going to be.

[LS1-5.7]

You know what, reading this thread is pissing me off being ethnic myself and reading the racist comments some of you people are making. I thought this forumn was spose to be under good behaviour or are you mods enjoying reading this crap? Always the wogs lol heard that one before. Im sure this thread would have been closed a long time ago if a so called "wog" mentioned anything about an anglo. Yeah sure theres asshole ethnics out there but you guys are all angels and never commit crime right?

Firstly, no one has played the racist card here Louie, so don't even go there.

The fact of the matter is, a group of testosterone filled insecure males decided to challenge the coppers with a "pack" mentality and totally forgot that they were at fault in the first place.

Secondly, the offenders have to be identified as does anyone else when coming under police notice. Apart from calling them lebanese which is their origin after all, what else would you want them to be identified as ?
Non Australian males with dark skin and a middle eastern accent perhaps ...
The fact they were lebanese has only been picked up on to identify them. No different to them being asian, french, or you guessed it, AUSTRALIAN ! A group of people that has similar interests of a criminal nature is usually referred to as a "Gang" in case you were not aware :)
Do the Bob Jane or Cronulla riots ring any bells ?

Anybody that blatantly disrespects police or anybody else for that matter with such a display of deep seeded hatred, deserves to get roasted by the rest of society whether they're lebanese or not. I have some very good friends that are not australian and they don't carry on like total tools. :kapow:

The world has many more serious imminent issues to deal with to tolerate some turning on their fellow man :stick::slap::argue::bash::merry:

[kpop]

police in america carry shotguns and sometimes even semi automatic rifles. i wonder how long before the same happens here.

[Oztrack Tuning]

Aussies should keep calling a spade a spade thats the tradition. But Aussies are also champions at giving anyone a fair go and respecting peoples women and children. It angers us that the law is hyprocritical and we really need to see a large action group to do something about it, I want to see the Police treated with respect by both all members of the country and especially by the courts.

You are right Becauz there is significant element of boganism and being raised with bad attitudes for generations. This can happen in any cultural group.

[Louie_D]

Firstly, no one has played the racist card here Louie, so don't even go there.

The fact of the matter is, a group of testosterone filled insecure males decided to challenge the coppers with a "pack" mentality and totally forgot that they were at fault in the first place.

Secondly, the offenders have to be identified as does anyone else when coming under police notice. Apart from calling them lebanese which is their origin after all, what else would you want them to be identified as ?
Non Australian males with dark skin and a middle eastern accent perhaps ...
The fact they were lebanese has only been picked up on to identify them. No different to them being asian, french, or you guessed it, AUSTRALIAN ! A group of people that has similar interests of a criminal nature is usually referred to as a "Gang" in case you were not aware :)
Do the Bob Jane or Cronulla riots ring any bells ?

Anybody that blatantly disrespects police or anybody else for that matter with such a display of deep seeded hatred, deserves to get roasted by the rest of society whether they're lebanese or not. I have some very good friends that are not australian and they don't carry on like total tools. :kapow:

The world has many more serious imminent issues to deal with to tolerate some turning on their fellow man :stick::slap::argue::bash::merry:

I dunno LS1 - 5.7 but these comments seem pretty inappropriate as far as im concerned.

"Gutless Lebbos! They are the worst offenders for having no respect for anything or anyone. If the cops would stand up to them and thump a few...I mean, arrest a few then they would calm down."

"why is it always wogs (mainly lebos) that are involved with this stuff."

"Send them back to their parent country is the best option surely??"


Ellistwo, i dont see how im perpetuating the racism by saying its not right. The very few that can call them selves anglo are most likely the people who have the problem with ethnics and telling them to go back to their country. Those who believe they have built this country to what it is today all by them selves :goodjob:

[LS1-5.7]

Louie, I totally agree with the thumping course of action but they already claim to be oppressed so we dare not go there.

I think we need to keep in perspective that if a particular type of person is associated with the same elements of crime time and time again should we maybe not be a little weiry of them ?
If a gang of circus clowns behaved like this we would also relate to them as "those bloody clowns" are at it again. You don't need to be lebanese to carry on like these guys did but, as they are featured in many of the news reports time and time again, they become remowned for similar or previous acts ....

[BEARWOOD]

You know what Lou, minorities or different races seem to play the racist card when it suits them! If your Lebanese and you live in Lebanon you will not be called a Leb but if you live in another country and you have that same appearance you will be known as a Leb. It's not racist it's how it is! Unless your ashamed of your heritage why would someone calling you what you are bother you? if you came up to me and said "hey aussie" or "you white fella" i definately wouldn't have a problem with it. Could you imagine the publicity and carry on if those police officers responded by calling them "dirty lebs" or similar, yet they have to accept being called dogs & pigs. Racism is bread through politicians creating seperate standards,rules and expectations for different nationalities etc.
I heard a saying that is not directed at anyone & by no means intended to be racist but ,if your chinese and don't like being known as a chinaman maybe you should think about relocating to china. No doubt someone will sook about this and i think we are starting to get into something a little of topic.

[Louie_D]

Yes ofcourse they are lebs thats fine, although the generalisation is what may offend some such as the term "wog" which should probably be rephrased.

[Clubby317]

police in america carry shotguns and sometimes even semi automatic rifles. i wonder how long before the same happens here.

Dont think it needs to come to that here...yet.


The governments, highrarky and all these do-gooden pricks need to throw their support 100% behind our police if there is any chance of stamping this sort of disrespectful behavior out.
Police members being sued, what a load of shit, untie their hands and let them do their jobs without worrying about losing their houses.

[Ellistwo]

.......

Ellistwo, i dont see how im perpetuating the racism by saying its not right. The very few that can call them selves anglo are most likely the people who have the problem with ethnics and telling them to go back to their country. Those who believe they have built this country to what it is today all by them selves :goodjob:

See this is where I think you carry baggage. I haven't made any untoward comments that perpetuate racism, but you continue to do so. It's true my ancestors came to Oz a long long time ago, but so did a lot of Muslim camel drivers. I'm white skinned, but my gene pool is Scottish, which isn't Anglo Saxon, Anglo Norman, Albion, or otherwise, but I don't put any stock in some culture that belongs in the Highlands, I prefer Australian culture. If you think Australians are inherently racist against olive skin, then how do you explain the never ending teasing and abuse the POMs (Anglos) have had had to endure?

I was fortunate to be brought up in a neighbourhood full of migrants. I made lots of "ethnic" mates, but the hate came from within the "ethnic" community, not from us "skips". Most of the guys I didn't like were the same guys who thought they were superior. Who could object to the great fusion of food, architecture, style and fashion that migrants have brought to Oz? The "leb" gangs are just the latest in a procession of idiots who will dissolve away when the next more assertive barbarian hoard arrives from some war torn country.

[Cool Daddy]

Commenting on the video of the Lebanese hoons in Sydney it is clearly obvious that they have no regards for the law or anyone else,what would you expect from mostly P platers who are only to keen to show off their bad attitude towards the law and to the police officers who uphold it.It doesnt matter if it was a bunch of Lebs,Aussies,Greeks the result is the same,how about the bunch that trashed the Bob Jane store in melbourne?.The young generation today are taught early what they can get away with and they prefer to take advantage of the situation.Look at any video documents of hooning and street racing and its almost guaranteed at some stage that someone in the video will die as a result of a car accident.I think P platers in general are the most vunerable drivers on the road and they should be the greatest worry for police and for the community in general.

[mrtockley]

This is only going to get a hell of a lot worse so get used to it. All of the civil libertarians out there have complained and been heard and as a result, laws have either been created or changed to protect the 'average' person. As Macca stated, the simple fact is, that ANYONE can make a complaint now, and the police management have set up groups to try and minimize complaints. Anyone in the job knows that a complaint is grief for your boss shit flows down hill. The policies in place are so weak that anyone can make unsubstantiated complaints against a member and it will be thoroughly investigated. If it is found to be untrue, false or unsubstantiated, absolutely nothing will happen to the person that made the complaint, even if it is complete bullshit. If I charge someone and they go to court and win, we can have costs awarded against us for wasting the accused persons time. If someone on the street tells me to **** off, I have to smile and do nothing, yet If I tell a member of the public - even a scumbag like in that video, they can make a complaint against me. I was assaulted at a domestic about 2 years ago and nearly had my jaw broken, and my offsider had his finger broken in 3 places which required plastic surgery and 3 operations. The crook received a small fine and that was it, plus his whore of a girlfriend (who actually called us in the first place to kick this bloke out) made a complaint against us! So as you can see, these are only a few small examples of how we don't get backed by anyone. If you **** up, the department will dump you like a hot cake and leave you out in the cold, and then you have to deal with possibly being sued by a piece of shit that has no job and gets all his legal fees paid for by the OPI, but that's another story ..

Vic Pol have a bit of an inside joke about the unfair bias towards traffic laws and associated penalties, which is basically, if you do a burg and get caught, you'll get a slap on the wrist. Do a burg and get caught driving whilst disqualified and you'll go to jail !

I think most coppers would happily trade respect for offenders actually having accountability and appropriate punishment. As long as there is no mandatory sentencing, these wankers like the ones in the video keep getting away with murder when they come up against touchy feely Magistrate's and Judges.. Bah TJF !!

Tock.

[Pickles]

This is only going to get a hell of a lot worse so get used to it. All of the civil libertarians out there have complained and been heard and as a result, laws have either been created or changed to protect the 'average' person. As Macca stated, the simple fact is, that ANYONE can make a complaint now, and the police management have set up groups to try and minimize complaints. Anyone in the job knows that a complaint is grief for your boss shit flows down hill. The policies in place are so weak that anyone can make unsubstantiated complaints against a member and it will be thoroughly investigated. If it is found to be untrue, false or unsubstantiated, absolutely nothing will happen to the person that made the complaint, even if it is complete bullshit. If I charge someone and they go to court and win, we can have costs awarded against us for wasting the accused persons time. If someone on the street tells me to **** off, I have to smile and do nothing, yet If I tell a member of the public - even a scumbag like in that video, they can make a complaint against me. I was assaulted at a domestic about 2 years ago and nearly had my jaw broken, and my offsider had his finger broken in 3 places which required plastic surgery and 3 operations. The crook received a small fine and that was it, plus his whore of a girlfriend (who actually called us in the first place to kick this bloke out) made a complaint against us! So as you can see, these are only a few small examples of how we don't get backed by anyone. If you **** up, the department will dump you like a hot cake and leave you out in the cold, and then you have to deal with possibly being sued by a piece of shit that has no job and gets all his legal fees paid for by the OPI, but that's another story ..

Vic Pol have a bit of an inside joke about the unfair bias towards traffic laws and associated penalties, which is basically, if you do a burg and get caught, you'll get a slap on the wrist. Do a burg and get caught driving whilst disqualified and you'll go to jail !

I think most coppers would happily trade respect for offenders actually having accountability and appropriate punishment. As long as there is no mandatory sentencing, these wankers like the ones in the video keep getting away with murder when they come up against touchy feely Magistrate's and Judges.. Bah TJF !!

Tock.
I agree with you. It is a very sad state of affairs.
So, it appears that things are only going to get worse? I mean, with no action/penalties, why would these idiots/thugs worry?
Cheers, Pickles.

[VX2VESS]

This is only going to get a hell of a lot worse so get used to it. All of the civil libertarians out there have complained and been heard and as a result, laws have either been created or changed to protect the 'average' person. As Macca stated, the simple fact is, that ANYONE can make a complaint now, and the police management have set up groups to try and minimize complaints. Anyone in the job knows that a complaint is grief for your boss shit flows down hill. The policies in place are so weak that anyone can make unsubstantiated complaints against a member and it will be thoroughly investigated. If it is found to be untrue, false or unsubstantiated, absolutely nothing will happen to the person that made the complaint, even if it is complete bullshit. If I charge someone and they go to court and win, we can have costs awarded against us for wasting the accused persons time. If someone on the street tells me to **** off, I have to smile and do nothing, yet If I tell a member of the public - even a scumbag like in that video, they can make a complaint against me. I was assaulted at a domestic about 2 years ago and nearly had my jaw broken, and my offsider had his finger broken in 3 places which required plastic surgery and 3 operations. The crook received a small fine and that was it, plus his whore of a girlfriend (who actually called us in the first place to kick this bloke out) made a complaint against us! So as you can see, these are only a few small examples of how we don't get backed by anyone. If you **** up, the department will dump you like a hot cake and leave you out in the cold, and then you have to deal with possibly being sued by a piece of shit that has no job and gets all his legal fees paid for by the OPI, but that's another story ..

Vic Pol have a bit of an inside joke about the unfair bias towards traffic laws and associated penalties, which is basically, if you do a burg and get caught, you'll get a slap on the wrist. Do a burg and get caught driving whilst disqualified and you'll go to jail !

I think most coppers would happily trade respect for offenders actually having accountability and appropriate punishment. As long as there is no mandatory sentencing, these wankers like the ones in the video keep getting away with murder when they come up against touchy feely Magistrate's and Judges.. Bah TJF !!

Tock.
good post i agree

so how do we create a law that civil libs are permantely banned from suggesting anything. and all recent suggestions are reversed.

Seem like as time goes on more and more people have no common sence for the long term implications of knee jerk thoughts they come up with that allow things to get to this.

I think you should get your story to the media, as many would agree if they heard it...that will benefit us all

[Speedy Gonzales]

To get respect anywhere you go you have to either show it yourself or earn it, much like trust. Life favours those who know how to give back and to work to achieve, does the police do either I cant say, I dont work in public office nor do I receive my pay via tax payers.

It amuses me that the police are asking for a change in uniform similar to NYPD issue :lol:

Doesnt make a difference if you are wearing a popo uniform in bright pink and marching to the Village People, still soft if getting the shite glassed, stabbed, punched or kicked on duty or off duty :limpy:

[ILLUSIV1]

Yes TJF..............:vpo:

[LSavvy]

To the people replying about this being a racist thread, your part of the problem here. "oh he called me a Lebo" but they can run there mouth off and call the cops pigs & dogs and disrespect the "Aussies" that died in wars but don't upset the idiots because were a multicultural country now so we have to be spmpathetic towards them! What a fu(kin joke this country is turning in to because of soft (ock politicians etc.. The people in these videos were Lebanese or similar so i can't see how it's racist to call them Lebanese, thats what they are. Picture me(a white & very australian) man with 15 of my mates in the centre of Lebanon or Thailand carrying on like those tools, threatening police disrespecting there culture and the people who died for it, do you think we would be able to continue on our merry way. I may seem racist but i'm not, i'm a realist and i see through the large amout of imigration we have now our country going down hill fast!!

No one here was complaining about calling them "Lebo's" or claimed we should be "sympathetic" to this crowd, it's the silly few like CamoV8 that carry on with "Why is it always wogs" type comments. I am Australian, i was born here and class my self as an Australian, why is it that some "Dinky dy Aussies" seem to like to remind some of us with ethnic origins that we are "wogs" when we identify ourselves as "Aussies". I am a proud Aussie, i have no less than 5 Australian flags in my house including on in each of my childrens rooms and would fight for the country, i have taken part in ANZAC Day ceramonies, should i not do this as i am not seen as a true "Aussie" by a few bogans? I think not.:flipoff:


I could relate to Louie_ D's comments, yourself and others have taken it the wrong way and label it as the "racist card" when infact total opposite.

I am also finding it offensive that a few carry on like this on the forum.
Re read the thread, us so called "wogs" have condemed their behaviour, wether "Lebo's" or "Anglo Aussies"!

The issue here is law and order and thats what we should be concentrating on.


Yes ofcourse they are lebs thats fine, although the generalisation is what may offend some such as the term "wog" which should probably be rephrased.

[VX2VESS]

bit off topic but do you boys on the enforcement side think you should be able to breify exceed the limit when overtaking on the wrong side, then quickly return to it?

it not now it seems but should it be

[Shulkor]

The issue here is law and order and thats what we should be concentrating on.

Get a few small squads of army guys patrolling the streets they won't take there shit.

[BECAUZ]

bit off topic but do you boys on the enforcement side think you should be able to breify exceed the limit when overtaking on the wrong side, then quickly return to it?

it not now it seems but should it be

I think its time for a poll.

This issue should also be raised in the public arena

[BEARWOOD]

I am also finding it offensive that a few carry on like this on the forum.

Well LSavvy this comment you made is exactly one of the points i was getting at. Best we stop talking about this incase we offend you anymore! It's good to see that you appreciate this fine country and have respect for those who helped keep it this way but to bad if your offended mate, should we tippy toe around and be mindfull of everything we ever say incase we offend someone. harden up! Jus because the polies are getting softer doesn't mean the whole nation has to. I have no doubt there is alot of decent Lebanese or Chinese or whatever people here in AUSTRALIA but should i have to change who i am incase i offend my imigrant neighbour or 2nd gen foreigner??
It's very Australian to call a spade a spade and if people continually see a certain nationality in very similar circumstances on a regular basis what do you think will happen. We have started to go down another path so we should leave it at that so we don't ruin the thread.

[Vulture]

bit off topic but do you boys on the enforcement side think you should be able to breify exceed the limit when overtaking on the wrong side, then quickly return to it?

it not now it seems but should it be

There should be for sure. I mean, I spend 3hrs cruising at the speed limit, overtake and go over for about 3 seconds I would say---BAM!---You're nicked! Absolutely NOTHING to do with safety and everything to do with revenue. I have heard that there are plenty of sensible Police out there who would cut some slack in this situation but there are perhaps enough who wouldn't to make it a problem.

[KPWISHN]

Here's another classic - father-gets-longer-sentence-than-daughters-rapist-after-punching-attacker (http://www.news.com.au/national/father-gets-longer-sentence-than-daughters-rapist-after-punching-attacker/story-e6frfkvr-1225847716849)

[VX2VESS]

I think its time for a poll.

This issue should also be raised in the public arena

probably, but its hard to create a Poll it says limited to 2 min to create one but it cuts off much sooner, leaving you with a post and no poll. maybe their is no time limit it just doesn't work. mods created the last box one for me after i gave up after 2 attempts.

[SHANESVZSS]

Here's another classic - father-gets-longer-sentence-than-daughters-rapist-after-punching-attacker (http://www.news.com.au/national/father-gets-longer-sentence-than-daughters-rapist-after-punching-attacker/story-e6frfkvr-1225847716849)


yep seen this the other day.. the two scum bags are lucky they ONLY copped a punch in the face , i know of plent of fathers (and im sure all on here to) would have done alot worse.

i have a little story of my own ,

monday morning my gf rings me saying her neighbours wich are scum bags who always strt crap , take drugs , and have no respect for anyother person in the street have just come over yelling ,threatening her because "someone" put a beer bottle in their letter box , she tells them to f...off , half hr later two guys walk up to her door and start calling her a S..t , again she rings me and i head over leaving work early , i go over and give them a ear bashing saying if your feral scum bags ever come on my property again and treat my gf like that again i'll......ect ect , cut a long story short the the 2 guys stayed inside and didnt even come out they spoke thru the door , i was fuming at these dogs , so THEY call the police on me and I get a warning despite the fact the officers even told us they come here all the time for these people yet because the scum bags rang first the coppers take what they say over us :flipoff:

[mrtockley]

good post i agree

so how do we create a law that civil libs are permantely banned from suggesting anything. and all recent suggestions are reversed.

Seem like as time goes on more and more people have no common sence for the long term implications of knee jerk thoughts they come up with that allow things to get to this.

I think you should get your story to the media, as many would agree if they heard it...that will benefit us all

Mate, I don't think we need to go as far as banning civil lib's suggestions, no matter how soft they are, as there has to be some balance, just as I don't think a zero tolerance and throwing away the key approach works either. If the public stood up and made some form of protest, then they would be heard and their opinions would count - especially come voting time. The biggest issue IMO is the Magistrate's and Judges. People don't care about repercussion anymore, as they know that there is really not much punishment if they muck up - and this is multiplied ten fold if they are kids. I've ranted before about this, but the parents don't give a shit, so the kids don't give a shit and it carries on especially when they are in a group.

The public seemingly don't give a shit about the treatment of police and other authorities too, as there are hundreds of stories of police getting assaulted and nothing happening - most recently the poor bloke in W.A that's now paralyzed. In England, if you hit a copper, you go to jail and do not pass go. Doesn't matter if you are a crook or you were pissed and decided to have a crack - you go to jail. That's how it should be and until it's like that here, then it's going to get a lot worse.

On a side note - someone mentioned the uniform issues lately. Firstly, I don't get to comment on what Vic Roads, wear, what the Firey's wear, what nurses and Doctors, or ANYONE else in the government sector wears to work so I find it strange and highly annoying how the public gets to put their 2 cents in every time something involves change within the police force. "should the police get new uniforms", "should the police be able to use tasers", " should the police be able to be in pursuits." It's not any one's business other than the government and the police as far as I'm concerned. Our uniform IS dated and is not practical, comfortable and has basically been the same for some 50 years and if you've ever run a few hundred meters chasing someone over fences with gear on wearing heavy tailor made suit pants, then you'll know why they are considering change!

Sorry for the rant .. again .

[Vulture]

"should the police get new uniforms", "should the police be able to use tasers", " should the police be able to be in pursuits." It's not any one's business other than the government and the police as far as I'm concerned. .

Hang on a minute, you're saying the tax-paying public should not have say in what goes on within the Police force? Who is the government? It is supposed to be a representation of the people. I find this an extraordinary statement. Please tell me I have misunderstood you?

[LSavvy]

I am also finding it offensive that a few carry on like this on the forum.

Well LSavvy this comment you made is exactly one of the points i was getting at. Best we stop talking about this incase we offend you anymore! It's good to see that you appreciate this fine country and have respect for those who helped keep it this way but to bad if your offended mate, should we tippy toe around and be mindfull of everything we ever say incase we offend someone. harden up! Jus because the polies are getting softer doesn't mean the whole nation has to. I have no doubt there is alot of decent Lebanese or Chinese or whatever people here in AUSTRALIA but should i have to change who i am incase i offend my imigrant neighbour or 2nd gen foreigner??
It's very Australian to call a spade a spade and if people continually see a certain nationality in very similar circumstances on a regular basis what do you think will happen. We have started to go down another path so we should leave it at that so we don't ruin the thread.

I am not offended at calling them wogs, leb's or whatever, it was the comment "why is it always wogs", this was the point of my post, not the "wog" word!
I have seen many "Aussie" Junkies, would it be fair for me to say "why is that ALL anglo aussies are junkies"? Is that calling a spade a spade? or am i being narrow minded?



Your comment,

" I have no doubt there is alot of decent Lebanese or Chinese or whatever people here in AUSTRALIA but should i have to change who i am incase i offend my imigrant neighbour or 2nd gen foreigner??"

No dont change, it shows that you are narrow minded, but don't expect respect from your imigrant neighbour if you have an attitude towards "wogs" because they are not anglo aussies. It's all about respect and courtesy towards your fellow man. No i'm not saying you have to respect these thugs, but tolerance to your fellow country men would be nice if they are not like these thugs and live their lives as you do.

[Thunderbird-1]

Most of these situations escalate when the numbers are in their favour. People get real tough when they have a few mates around them. Imagine the same dude with 5 or 6 SPG cops around him. I'm guessing his tone and attitude would have been very different.

The problem with mob violence is that it is not racially specific. Yes these guys were Lebs but the Bob Jane riot recently was mostly AS males.



I would perhaps have to disagree with this statement if you saw the news this arvo which had 2 of the main people who have been charged for instigating the damage..

[BLACK 346]

Hang on a minute, you're saying the tax-paying public should not have say in what goes on within the Police force? Who is the government? It is supposed to be a representation of the people. I find this an extraordinary statement. Please tell me I have misunderstood you?

I think he is saying that someone who has absolutely no idea
what is required to carry out a particular job (ie a uniform
that is totally impractical), should have zero input :)
Simple enough I reckon.
For example the ADF has a uniform to wear for arduous tasks,
and a uniform to wear for ceremonial occasions.

[mrtockley]

I think he is saying that someone who has absolutely no idea
what is required to carry out a particular job (ie a uniform
that is totally impractical), should have zero input :)
Simple enough I reckon.
For example the ADF has a uniform to wear for arduous tasks,
and a uniform to wear for ceremonial occasions.

Yeah that's pretty much what I was trying to get at. I'm just saying that yes the public does contribute via taxes to the running of the police, but I don't think that the ins and outs need to be put up for public debate. Does anyone get a say about what new vehicle's the Ambo's or Firey's get? Do we get to vote when their uniforms change? I wouldn't have a clue about what the best equipment for the Fire Brigade is and I wouldn't want to 'vote' on what their uniform looks like as I have no idea on what their needs are for comfort, practicality and safety, and neither does Jo Average have a clue about what the police needs. How the uniform looks is mostly irrelevant, you have to look good for court and funerals - everything else is about how practical it is.. It's like me suggesting that my mechanic should wear a suit while working on my car because it looks more professional !

[smokey777]

It amuses me that the police are asking for a change in uniform similar to NYPD issue :lol:



i think the change is more of a "every workplace around nearly has the same coloured shirts & pants as coppers now) thats probably more the reason for the change of clobber. i dont think theyre trying to look pretty??

[SINISTER R8]

i thought this would help the police gain more control and maybe respect from the public if they conducted police chases like these offices in South Africa...

http://s1017.photobucket.com/albums/af291/SinisterR8/?action=view&current=SouthAfricanPolicePursuit1.flv

dont think many people would run from the police if they were allowed to do this.

[Vulture]

dont think many people would run from the police if they were allowed to do this.

All fun and games but imagine how many of those go wrong...

[SINISTER R8]

All fun and games but imagine how many of those go wrong...

yeah for sure, you can just imagine when that cop jumped to the ute, if the driver just swerved a little, he would have been axed. just thought i would post it as i can imagine there would be a lot less police chases if crims thought this would happen to them.

[BossV8]

You have to be careful these days as to what we say, otherwise we'll all offend some group, race....etc. But Australia has always called a spade a spade, usually it is in good hearted humour, probably half serious at times as well, but the things that have been said in the past have been true. Webber mentioned last week we were a nanny state- I would say that applied to everything at the moment. Some group has a whinge so they get looked after.

It's not right, there is so much tolerance for bad attitude these days, lack of responsibility for one's actions, that something's gotta give down the track.

[Vulture]

Yeah that's pretty much what I was trying to get at. I'm just saying that yes the public does contribute via taxes to the running of the police, but I don't think that the ins and outs need to be put up for public debate. Does anyone get a say about what new vehicle's the Ambo's or Firey's get? Do we get to vote when their uniforms change? I wouldn't have a clue about what the best equipment for the Fire Brigade is and I wouldn't want to 'vote' on what their uniform looks like as I have no idea on what their needs are for comfort, practicality and safety, and neither does Jo Average have a clue about what the police needs. How the uniform looks is mostly irrelevant, you have to look good for court and funerals - everything else is about how practical it is.. It's like me suggesting that my mechanic should wear a suit while working on my car because it looks more professional !


Fair enough, point taken.

[Rotty]

Sadly here in Qld even the commissioner has waded in the side of the goody two shoes, he came out on the media and said 'that perhaps the police in Fortitude Valley and Surfers Paradise are a bit heavy handed'...this is despite the fact that these places are amongst the most violent alcohol fuelled trouble spots in the state with violent bashings and deaths becoming the norm rather than the exception.....so with support like that from the highest ranking officer, let alone the judicial system why on earth would the police bother? And the crime rate spirals upward....

On the subject of immigrants....this is not a problem here in Australia alone, I recently spent over a year living in Switzerland....crime is rising significantly there, and is being put, rightly so it seems, at the doorstep of the refugees and immigrants, one of the political parties that is gaining considerable support amongst the very conservative and reserved swiss is pushing for major reforms...as in not only stopping immigration, turning refugees away...but also kicking them out of the country at the first sign of trouble...the Swiss are sick of the problems these people bring with them.