Poll: VE Clutch & Box Issues

[VX2VESS]

Coming from the other threads on this and the idea to get numbers to see how big the issue is.

[rodp]

Just got my VE, the box feels the same as my LS1 VT was, it's like dajavu. Feels a little clunky going into gear and occasionally won't go into gear (until you slot it out and try again). I'd be annoyed with it if I wasn't already used to it. :P

[ShotPointBlank]

07 SS. Only Done 22180km's

Selecting 2nd no matter what rpm is always a struggle. 1 in 10 changes will be smooth but the other 9 i really have to wrestle. 2nd to 3rd could be a little better as its abit rough but from then on its smooth sailing.

Sometimes when just in first (like pulling up to a set of lights or driving through a carpark) i push the clutch in and the box will make a real clunky noise aswell. Only occasionly though.

[VX2VESS]

you fixed the poll thanks mods...

just voted myself and forgot to add the pickup point, bugger.

Shotpointblank yours sounds like mine...except occasionally I can't select first at the lights after sitting in neutral waiting, so as not to look totally stupid i select 2nd and move off slow lol.

Should be good to see how common the issues are.

if anyone had the issues and they were fixed somehow, please say how here.
except for the to the floor issue that in the other thread and may have a solution.
this ones to collect numbers really, and answer to the other issues listed.

[ShotPointBlank]

yeah mate, and from what ive read on here theres afew other blokes who have similiar or same problems. Great idea for a poll though mate. Should be very interesting to see what others have to say:goodjob:

[ShotPointBlank]

btw on your response to the selecting first at the lights. Your not the only bloke that looks like a d**khead. HAHAHA. Im in the exact same boat as you and have taken off in second many a time...

[VX2VESS]

Damn after have autos for a while i really wanted manual, i wish i knew these issues before i did. this is the worst box i have driven, excels change better anything does i think..

its ok sometimes but sometimes isn't good enough, you'd expect more from a car that cost this much, at least 3 times more than the cheap 4's that change well.

don't worry auto guys, you not missing much.....at least you can move off at the lights lol

engine braking is better on winding roads only benefit

[ShotPointBlank]

Is there any chance of a ripshifter or the like rectifying the dodgy gearshifts

or are me and vt2vx up sh*t creek? I mean i can live with it but i prefer the car to be a pleasure to drive. Not a hassle

[Marco]

I keep having trouble getting it into first from neutral...not good when you want to get away when the lights go green! No problem found, according to the dealer.

[VX2VESS]

Is there any chance of a ripshifter or the like rectifying the dodgy gearshifts

or are me and vt2vx up sh*t creek? I mean i can live with it but i prefer the car to be a pleasure to drive. Not a hassle

not sure if its the shifter or the box. VE is different to earlier cars as it doesn't go into the box under the shifter, uses linkages that go much further up the front of the box. the VE rip only replaces the shifter not the linkages running up into the box. (as far as i'm aware, could be wrong).

a few have had improvements with using gearbox oil, thinking about it...

looks like the first thing is the most common so far, maybe should have listed that seperatly as well...

[ShotPointBlank]

Yeah i looked at the price of mainlube and nearly fell outta my chair
Comments suggest its a superior product but im only an apprentice..Haha

anyone wanna donate to the "save our gearbox foundation"?

[Djbarnstar]

And to think peeps got flamed for raising issues with the clutch and box back in 06' and got rejected by the dealer....:stick:

[1BEAST2NV]

notice anything in common about the dealers???

they all say the same shit.... that its fine, it ok, its suppose to make noise, oh that feels fine to me, cant find any fault......blah blah bullshit, just fix the damn things and we'll stop complaining :D

I bet theres been quite a few complaints about it, its not funny :)

Since my car went in to holden for repairs, nearly all my gears shift feel notchy, mainly 1st to 2nd, 5th to 6th and reverse...... sometimes I have to have a couple of cracks at the gear cos it wont go in , like somethings catching inside the box, then when I give it some "help" it goes in.... then after that it ok.

gives me the shits cos I know what it "use to " be like :(

[BECAUZ]

i found that when your coming to a stop in either first or second you need to depress the clutch heaps earlier then you would with any other car to minimise the chances of getting the big clunck.

Ive had my clutch replaced at 17000km as well. Thats in a MY9.5 which was meant to have a fix :o

[VX2VESS]

notice anything in common about the dealers???

they all say the same shit.... that its fine, it ok, its suppose to make noise, oh that feels fine to me, cant find any fault......blah blah bullshit, just fix the damn things and we'll stop complaining :D

I bet theres been quite a few complaints about it, its not funny :)

Since my car went in to holden for repairs, nearly all my gears shift feel notchy, mainly 1st to 2nd, 5th to 6th and reverse...... sometimes I have to have a couple of cracks at the gear cos it wont go in , like somethings catching inside the box, then when I give it some "help" it goes in.... then after that it ok.

gives me the shits cos I know what it "use to " be like :(

yeah yours is interesting since it was good now isn't overnight after the clutch repairs wasn't it?

So whatever is up with yours is most probably whats up with the rest of us poor shifters, doubt its the box (unless they thrashed the crap out of it on the test drive), probably something to do with shifter alignment, slave or still some clutch issue.

get your fixed that might help the rest of us, get details of whatever the fix is pls.

[DAVESS-V]

[QUOTE=vt2vx;1703960]if anyone had the issues and they were fixed somehow, please say how here.
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Yeah, got a new clutch..

[VX2VESS]

[QUOTE=vt2vx;1703960]if anyone had the issues and they were fixed somehow, please say how here.
QUOTE]

Yeah, got a new clutch..

and that fixed which issue/s you had before?

[Smitty]

in my case...no probs with the box or gear changes
it just works not matter how slow or quick you shift
(and its no noisier than the box I had in the VX)

my pet hate is a clutch take up point that changes (clutch works fine)
its been bled, had the clutch pedal and slave and master cylinders changed..........
its still does it:vpo:

[DAVESS-V]

[quote=DAVESS-V;1704070]

and that fixed which issue/s you had before?

2nd and 3rd on the list

[bonners]

Clutch and pedal were installed yesterday. Feels better at the moment (only driven twice since getting it back). Feels slightly heavier. I feel at this point I am having to re-learn the shift points but feels like I have to let it out quite a bit further.

I didn't vote for it but a mate reckons mine has a lot of transmission noise as well so I guess mine is all of the above.

I also had a gearbox replaced about a month ago

[fatas]

guys steve from MAINLUBE has the best oil it will fix most of the box issues my mate had a well worn vx 207000 km we drained his soup out of his box refilled with new oil ran for 2 days then drained again and put steves magic oil in and it feels like a brand new box :goodjob:

[VX2VESS]

guys steve from MAINLUBE has the best oil it will fix most of the box issues my mate had a well worn vx 207000 km we drained his soup out of his box refilled with new oil ran for 2 days then drained again and put steves magic oil in and it feels like a brand new box :goodjob:
yep that on the cards for shift issues!
like to here from those that have done that to a VE due to the different shifter and clutch setup. lot to fork out if make no difference to the VE.

a lot are ppl with low k issues it seems, so boxes are newish to start with

[The_Senator]

Obvioulsy the "stuck to the floor" is a big issue.. But it's finally being solved..

My problem is selecting first at the lights.. Some times it slips in smooth, others require and few clutch depresses, and then every now and again it sort 1/2 goes in (feels likes it's all the way in though), and then when you take off it pops out of gear giving a BANG noise which scares the SH!T outta ya..

Other gears no problems..

[1BEAST2NV]

yeah yours is interesting since it was good now isn't overnight after the clutch repairs wasn't it?

So whatever is up with yours is most probably whats up with the rest of us poor shifters, doubt its the box (unless they thrashed the crap out of it on the test drive), probably something to do with shifter alignment, slave or still some clutch issue.

get your fixed that might help the rest of us, get details of whatever the fix is pls.


No, my car went in for engine noise, had a stuffed lifter which also damaged/scored the cam :vpo:

Anyway since they removed the motor, obviously removed the clutch cos it was on an engine stand, and since putting it back together, the clutch has changed, it doesnt change properly, grab point feels higher off the floor, when the cars turned off, all the gears are notchy and grab, sometimes wont even go into third unless I select another gear first, clutch is now noisey/rattley.....so Im thinking its something to do with fittment, something out of alignment or bent, cars done 16k's:confused:

[Smitty]

No, my car went in for engine noise, had a stuffed lifter which also damaged/scored the cam :vpo:

Anyway since they removed the motor, obviously removed the clutch cos it was on an engine stand, and since putting it back together, the clutch has changed, it doesnt change properly, grab point feels higher off the floor, when the cars turned off, all the gears are notchy and grab, sometimes wont even go into third unless I select another gear first, clutch is now noisey/rattley.....so Im thinking its something to do with fittment, something out of alignment or bent, cars done 16k's:confused:

I would put money on it..that whoever did the engine repair let the box hang off the clutch and didnt support it
while getting it off the bellhousing (or off the engine itself)

those symptoms you report are caused by doing that ....or doing the same while re-installing the box

it warps the clutch (driven) plate and maybe also the pressure plate . the only fix is a new one!

[Uwish]

I had my GB oil changed by my Dealer and the box is 100% better.
also bleed my new clutch ( LS7 fix ) and all is good.

[Mix 6000]

Had issue with clutch pedal sticking to the floor & slipping on the Maloo at 30,000k's...Dealer replaced clutch...clutch was still slipping? Apparently they stated that there was an oil leak from the box?....another new clutch....Box & clutch are fine now, with 70,000k's under the belt....cheers...:)..

[308hjute]

Obvioulsy the "stuck to the floor" is a big issue.. But it's finally being solved..

My problem is selecting first at the lights.. Some times it slips in smooth, others require and few clutch depresses, and then every now and again it sort 1/2 goes in (feels likes it's all the way in though), and then when you take off it pops out of gear giving a BANG noise which scares the SH!T outta ya..

Other gears no problems..

x2 on that bloody BANG noise. My missus goes of her tits when it does that to me...... reckons it never happens to her.

[Knawful]

Obvioulsy the "stuck to the floor" is a big issue.. But it's finally being solved..

My problem is selecting first at the lights.. Some times it slips in smooth, others require and few clutch depresses, and then every now and again it sort 1/2 goes in (feels likes it's all the way in though), and then when you take off it pops out of gear giving a BANG noise which scares the SH!T outta ya..

Other gears no problems..

Mine did that, only it started in 2nd.
Then it got hard to get into gear (2nd, 4th and 6th) like a couple of other's have posted.

I now have a new box under warrantee..Car had less than 22k km's at the time.
They would'nt tell me, or the Service manager the problem with the box when the tech's pulled it down.
Get 'em looked at, and dont take no for an answer from the dealer, it's NOT normal 'box behaviour.

[bonners]

hmmmm. sim response when they replaced my box

[VX2VESS]

so far the only fixes to hard selection is box replacement, but they don't say what the issue was...

there is that fix in the other thread from PD.

Difficult to Select 2nd 4th 6th Gears

The cause of the above condition is interference between the pin at the U-joint on the shift rail, and the top of the transmission casing.
The shift rail forms part of the shift cover assembly fixed to the transmission.
Engineering investigations have found that the pin is out of specification causing it to walk out of its intended position. As the pin moves out of position, the circlip surrounding the pin is also pushed out of the groove.
If it can be confirmed that the pin has “walked out” of its intended position and has made contact with the top of the transmission casing, the shift cover assembly must be replaced.
92234508.
Revised shift cover assemblies have been fitted to vehicles from:
ISOVIN: Built Date:
6G1EK55H09L179417 08/05/08

i called Holden parts they didn't know that part number. and is it the linkages into the box or the shaft from the selector to the box? i diagram would be good of this part and where it is..

[VX2VESS]

just over half so far have shifting issues, guess that is common then....

[1BEAST2NV]

mine is worse when the car is NOT started, if the cars turned off, and I push the clutch in selecting different gear, they are ALL notchy and some gears WONT select and need abit of force to get them into gear, once that gear goes in one of the other is gets hard....

In the mornings (obviously cold), I can really here my thrust bearing, like it has sand in it.....and with the windows up in the car, the clutch is noisy...

But even once warm the gear 1, 2, 5, 6, R are the stiffer ones, 3 & 4 are'nt so bad.

All this is due to a so called "mechanic" that "fixed" my car :confused: hahaha thats laughable.

[Ve Grn]

Hi Guys

This is my forst post and its a pity I have to post on such a crap topic. I've got a my9.5 SS and I thought I had a good box as 2nd to 3rd was good as were all the other gears.

Then after about 10,500kms selecting reverse was a struggle, I would either have to roll forward or let the clutch out a bit and then put it in.

Took it to Holden and they said if it is the clutch I would have to pay, to which I said after having done about 400 to 500,000 km's in manual cars, mainly 4wd's , and never having replaced a clucth I would be very unhappy.

Anyway, they called me back and told me the clutch was fine it was the box which was no good and they would fit a new gearbox. The new box wasn't as good as the old one, exlcuding reverse of course, and now after 1500 kms it looks like this box has shat itself.

Started on Friday night when I heard a snatch into second, and from then on I struggled to get it into first and reverse. Now all the gears are crap.

Its booked in tomorrow to go back to the dealer.

Hopefully it goes well.

[VX2VESS]

i don't think chucking in a new box fixes the issue, seems most issues return again. A few have had that as well...

i think its another problem causing this...In the other Clutch thread one guy had a good box, bad clutch, got the new clutch now has shifting issues....seems to be a lot of indicators like that that point to something else, we need to find out what.

different shifter setup in the VE maybe thats why they are having more issues.

[mad_industries]

mine isnt the best of gearboxs.
i think this may be worse than my VZ (both V6)
seems noisy, sometimes squeaks and sometimes difficult to select gears.
only has 7000kms on the clock :bawl:

[tsute]

Hi Guys,

I have a SSV ute, 08/08. On the 12/03/09 the gearbox got replaced due to a sqealing noice at 116 km/h. The new box that was fitted is the T6060 box which I am told is fitted to the W427. Box is good, a little noisy and some times a little clucky, but it is a big box with alot of gears in it so I wouldn't expect it to be quiet, my old 87 skyline had a noisier box. Now to the clutch, had issues with the clutch pedal staying down and not returning, Zupps Mt Gravatt, fitted the new clutch and pedal box to it and I tell you it feels 400% better than the original. I am told it is the LS7 clutch but I am not 100%.

Here are the part numbers that have been fitted.
GM24248985 Plate Asm-clutch
GM12571611 Flywheel Asm
GM92238450 Pedal Asm-clutch
GM11569956 Bolt

GM92202469 Gearbox.

[blown vess]

my box shat itself again last night could hear the the whining so I just gave it more dont care with holden warranty been threw to much hassle this is the second box in 12 months first one input shaft before i did any major work now I will just buy a better box sorry gave up on holden warranty just give you back the same shit so you will break it again

[VX2VESS]

my box shat itself again last night could hear the the whining so I just gave it more dont care with holden warranty been threw to much hassle this is the second box in 12 months first one input shaft before i did any major work now I will just buy a better box sorry gave up on holden warranty just give you back the same shit so you will break it again

whats a better box that fits without mods?

maybe need the same box rebuilt better..

wonder who does the boxs for the v8 brutes???

[HSV Manta]

I am SOOOO glad I bought an auto.....

[Ve Grn]

Have an update.

They test drove the car today, confirmed its difficult to change gears, bled the clutch which apparently made it worse.

They will take the box out tomorrow so I guess we will see what happens then.

So if anyone from Holden reads this stuff, I'm glad you spent a billion on this thing, imagine if you had of spent less.

[Ve Grn]

I am SOOOO glad I bought an auto.....

I'm alergic to auto's, so even if I knew then what I know now, I still would have bought a manual.

[simon.w]

I rang the dealer I bought my car from and told them about the clutch issue ... they claimed they knew nothing about the problem ... including the foreman.

I then rang city Holden (in Adelaide) and they were brilliant. They replaced the pedal box under warranty, but couldn't do the clutch under warranty (with hot spots, nearly worn our clutch plate and 310rwkw that was fair enough). They recommended the Xtreme organic kit that I wanted anyway ... supplied and fitted at less than trade of the kit alone. It is brilliant now!

Much better outcome than getting a stock clutch put back in under warranty anyway.

I asked them about an LS7 clutch and their advice as HSV dealers was that they they are not as good as the Xtreme.

Bottom line was it came down to the individuals. They owned tough cars themselves, knew what they were talking about and most importantly were flexible enough to help, while not abusing the warranty with Holden. Can't ask for anything more really.

[Muncha]

I had issues with my box, ssv ute.

When in stock form, it felt pretty good. The only real issue was the clutch staying on the floor when giving it a spirited launch. Apart from that it was good.

When modded, with all bolt on mods and a aftermarket clutch, i had slight issues. Most of the time it handled abuse pretty good, big launches on slicks and all. The main issue was it not going into gear properly when shifting above 6000rpm. If i shifted at or below 6k it would be fine but above 6k it would jam and not go in until the revs dropped a bit. It mainly did it going into 3rd at the start and then it started doing it in most gears. I got a Ripshift fitted which seemed to cure most of the problem but it still did it in 3rd.

I tried bleeding the clutch about 8 million times. I used about 5-6 different brands of fluid ranging from Motul rbf 600 to factory Ford fluid. It would always feel good for a little bit right after the clutch bleed but would return to the gear selection problems after a few hundred klm's.

I never had any issues with noise or anything else. But it was driven pretty hard with a lot of runs at the drags on slicks and MT radials. I tried a few other things to fix it and was looking at some other solutions but got over it and sold it.

[hyperss82]

I have my ssv ute in Holden now waiting on holdens answer as on Friday flywheel bolt came loose and took chunks out of bellhousing after several visits to Holden for clutch issues, I'm worried there going to try and blame me for this