VE "woop woop woop" noise.....HELP!

[chillicatqld]

Hi all

I have a VE MY9.5 SSV wagon that I have a problem that I need help with.
Besides finding out yesterday at my 15,000 service at a forum sponsor that my sump is leaking badly (probably will need to be engine out!!).

I also had them try and find a noise that I have had since new, with no luck :(
When you are in the car with engine running idling, you can hear this noise best descibed as "woop woop woop" coming from the engine. Holden told me "they all make this noise!!" But forum sponsor disagress and actually said that noise would drive him mad if it was his car!
They took all ancillary belts off to rule out water pump, air con etc to no avail.

Has anyone heard or experienced this noise, or have the same problem?
It is going back to Holden today to see about the leak and to try and give me some indication of what this noise is. But I will be hitting the roof if they tell me once again that it is "normal"

[bush_basha]

get a video or sound file of the noise. have you got a mate with the same car or engine as get him to go along if they say its normal

[chillicatqld]

Na I havnt got a mate with same engine. I am going to if Holden tell me "it's normal" to put me in 3 cars that make the same noise to prove it.
Will try and get a sound/video file up.

[twodads]

I've got a 09 SSV wagon if that helps mate.
Nick

[chillicatqld]

does yours make any "woopy" noise when it is idling? - sitting in cabin with radio and aircon off helps.

[AGIT8D]

Sounds like you've got the Bloody Beetroots CD stuck in your CD player bro!

[ssv1]

Not the coppers behind you is it? lol, sorry to make light of your problem. But, no, mine doesn't make this noise either. Is this a loud noise or does it sort of 'coincide' with the engine's idle?

[chillicatqld]

Yeah it sort of coincides with the idle, and rises in tone and regularity with the revs. (if that makes sense?)
It also is not there when the car is cold (just started) it comes as the temp rises to operating temp.

[seldo]

Years ago my old VR did this, and i think from memory it was something to do with the air-cond and was fixed with a new receiver/dryer....I think. It was a long time ago...

[ssv1]

My first thought would've been the same as the forum sponsor - check the belts - but as you say, he didn't find they were the cause. Any chance of a sound file? somebody on here more knowledgeable than me may recognise the noise.

[GPT]

If you are hearing woop woop it means your actually with the Pacific Fleet and under air attack from the Japanese.

Sorry. Does it happen when cold or hot?

[Drewie]

Just a wild guess, but if the sump is leaking badly it wouldn't be an air leak at the sump and your hearing air being compressed and expelled as the motor rotates. Maybe a silly thought but who knows.

[twodads]

does yours make any "woopy" noise when it is idling? - sitting in cabin with radio and aircon off helps.

No, no funny noises yet, unless you count her who must be obeyed in the passenger seat:)

[ssv1]

Good thought Drewie. If a leak is bad enough, ie there is a sizeable gap or hole somehere, will frothing occur?

[iloveholden]

Sounds like you've got the Bloody Beetroots CD stuck in your CD player bro!

damn thats what i was gona say!!! :rofl:

[VX2VESS]

customer 'Wheel fell off my car', Holden 'ah they all do that'

lol must be a standard answer for any noise.

try another dealer....

[forman]

Have you checked your spark plugs one might be loose or even cross threaded and leaking and blowing air out .

[chillicatqld]

Well, as I thought... picked up car this arvo.
They have re-torqued the sump and said to keep an eye on it for leaks... I can totally agree with that.

But, they told me the car sounds exactly as it should after listening to it and two their cars (a manual and an auto). I said "rubbish". They asked I I wanted to listen to another car and I said "sure". I was in this car with the foreman and he said to me "this is how your car sounds!" and I went "um, no mate it sounds nothing like this. In fact I wish it sounded like this!!"

We went back to my car and listened and they sound like farkin chalk and cheese! I mean should this bloke even be a foreman if he cannot tell the difference in the sounds we were listening to??? I seriously cannot believe it!

Anyway, I am gonna take it to the other Holden dealer on the coast and let them listen.
Hopefully get a smarter spark....

PS: Have just made some sound files and will load it up shortly...

[chillicatqld]

Have you checked your spark plugs one might be loose or even cross threaded and leaking and blowing air out .

would you hear this more under the bonnet than under the car?
you cannot hear the noise under the bonnet.. it is only in car.

[VX2VESS]

Well, as I thought... picked up car this arvo.
They have re-torqued the sump and said to keep an eye on it for leaks... I can totally agree with that.

But, they told me the car sounds exactly as it should after listening to it and two their cars (a manual and an auto). I said "rubbish". They asked I I wanted to listen to another car and I said "sure". I was in this car with the foreman and he said to me "this is how your car sounds!" and I went "um, no mate it sounds nothing like this. In fact I wish it sounded like this!!"

We went back to my car and listened and they sound like farkin chalk and cheese! I mean should this bloke even be a foreman if he cannot tell the difference in the sounds we were listening to??? I seriously cannot believe it!

Anyway, I am gonna take it to the other Holden dealer on the coast and let them listen.
Hopefully get a smarter spark....

PS: Have just made some sound files and will load it up shortly...

maybe he's tone deaf..

like a guy i know thought he bought a black bike, but it was purple he's colour blind,lol..

part of the improvements on the VE lol, get a petition the noise isn't normal.

[LS1-5.7]

Hard to say without hearing and seeing the car but it could be either a dry spiggot bearing in the flywheel or a bearing in the engine that is suffering more than it should. Might be time to get the stethoscope out to pinpoint where it is coming from. I'm not too sure about the whistling sump idea as mentioned, but it should be easy to determine by running your hand around the sump flange. As for it being "normal" as stated by GMH, is more likely to mean "common" but certainly not normal .... Just because the masses suffer from it does not mean they should be doing it !

[bush_basha]

poke your head underneath the drivers door and listen underneath the car, can you hear it then? if so if could even be an exhaust leak.

[chillicatqld]

shouldnt be an exhaust leak as I had GTS headers put on at approx 10K by PT. The noise has been there since new.

Thanks for all help/ffedback so far. will have a soundfile up in the morning... just waiting for my Digicam to recharge!

[ls2 crew]

chilli, i feel for you i had a l76 ss crewman, the tappet noise at start up was so bad I got rid of it when only 2 years old due to the fear of if stuffing up and fear of not having the dealer support, i complained many times with no real answer or resolve.

felt the same way with recent vibrations in the gear box on my 08 ssv untill i spoke direct to the service manager and also with the head office customer service department, what do you know some answers and also a fixed car.

pm for dealer contact details, you never know.

[chillicatqld]

well I have had a great result today with thanks to Surfers City Holden.

After being told that the noise "is consistent with the model" from other dealer, I went there today to seek another opinion.

Their foreman (?) came out and listened and agreed that it was a strange noise (yay!)
He opened the bonnet and listened more, and then remembered that the V6 VE sometimes had lose fuel/injection rails. He got me in the car and confirm noise was there, and then grabbed the fuel rail pipe as it heads back to the firewall - BINGO!

I could have kissed this bloke!!

We tried it again and yep it was the cause.

he sent me home telling me he will search bulletins etc to see if it is a common fault. By the time I got home he had called me and said he has spoken to Holden Engineers and they have confirmed it as a known problem with no suggested fix. So he has booked me in to drop it off and he is confident he can check for loose brackets or the likes and make the noise go away!!!

I am sooo happy.
Big thanks to Surfers City Holden... at least I know I am not imagining this crappy noise.

Will keep posted with how the fix goes.... cheers to all replies.

[steve_t]

I think you should write a letter to the other dealer telling them that you've gone elsewhere and found the problem. It's a known problem and there's a service bulletin about it. Being told the noise is normal is unsatisfactory and could they pass on this information to the person who looked at your car :1peek:

[VX2VESS]

well you know where to go next time now...well as long as that guy works there anyway

[chillicatqld]

I think you should write a letter to the other dealer telling them that you've gone elsewhere and found the problem. It's a known problem and there's a service bulletin about it. Being told the noise is normal is unsatisfactory and could they pass on this information to the person who looked at your car :1peek:

I am planning on going past there and demonstrating to the Foreman who told me my vehicle sounds like one that was normal sounding how and what the exact problem is, and that he needs to get his mechanical ear in better shape!

[chillicatqld]

here is the sound file if any others are wondering what the noise sounds like.
sorry its kinda big file....

http://i273.photobucket.com/albums/jj214/chillicatqld/th_MOV001-2.jpg

[holden6.0]

woop woop finallyyy glad all can b sorted for u:goodjob: the clip is good can definately hear wot u r on about

[steve_t]

I can't hear a woop woop but i can hear the mechanical sound i think you're referring to. Kinda makes me think you're driving a diesel :smilesandbanana:

[bladerunner]

i can hear it plain as day, funny how a fuel line can cause that but.:confused:

[LS1-5.7]

Very interesting once you hear the noise. So what was the specific reason ? A loose fuel rail can do several things. Where was it loose and what did it affect ?

If you feel inclined to do so, send the Service Manager a letter stating how happy you are with the swift diagnosis. If nothing else, it will keep the tech in a job and maybe get him a few more $$ in the long run :)
Dealerships cop a hiding and rightly so, but when one stands out like this one it's almost worth drinking to.

[chillicatqld]

I told them that they deserve to give this guy a raise... I mean I think maybe the stars were aligned or something today. To get this guy that was so onto it at the right time... man this could have gone on for ever with no result. I am taking the bloke a carton when they finally do fix it.... will book it in next week.

PS:sorry about the goofy video commentary... but it does demostrate what I was on about. Yes, it does sound sorta like a diesel doesnt it. That's what I was trying to tell the first dealership.

[fishla]

Good video, can definitely hear the noise.

Even better that a dealer has found the problem :goodjob:

[VX2VESS]

i can hear it too not sure heard it before like that anywhere.

sorta sound like it touching somewhere and amplifying the sound

[HEXEM]

Damn,

I am pretty sure mine has a similar sound... I thought it was a rotational type of sound... Its been doing it for a while now... I'll go do a video of it and compare.

Please advise what the tech did / touched exactly if you can so I can discuss with my service tech... And I thought it was normal... lol

Cheers Phil.

[HEXEM]

[QUOTE=chillicatqld;1714844]He got me in the car and confirm noise was there, and then grabbed the fuel rail pipe as it heads back to the firewall - BINGO!/QUOTE]

Is this the short (flexible looking) pipe which connects to the injector rail on the passenger side and the fuel line running down the firewall?, It has a strange sort of clip lock mechanisim and if you grab it and pull there is some play in it?...

Sorry for the crapy discription, I have taken a photo with the iPhone..

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk188/VE-SSV/IMG_0014.jpg

Cheers
Phil

[KarmaG8]

Just a wild guess, but if the sump is leaking badly it wouldn't be an air leak at the sump and your hearing air being compressed and expelled as the motor rotates. Maybe a silly thought but who knows.

Logical but the crankcase ventilation design wouldn't allow that sort of pressure build up.

Problem solved thankfully.

[chillicatqld]

Yes VE-SSV that is the exact hose/pipe. Get someone to grasp it firmly as you are in your car and see if it stops your noise.
If you feel the pipe as the car is running you can feel a sort of pulse going thru it.

[chillicatqld]

Well, it's out of the frying pan into the fire as they say....

Just got reversed into at the shopping centre. Old fool didn't even look reversing!! Worse part is I could see it happening as I was behind him and I had nowhere to go.

Done the left rear wheel arch and bumper. Luckily escaped door damage, and any major panel.... spewing!!

Will post a pic after I get drunk!!!!

PS: Only good thing is I will have to get one rim resprayed (has a big scratch now). So might as well bite the bullet and get them to do it black and pay for the other 3!!

[UTESRULE]

hard luck mate u get one thing fixed now there is another thing to be fixed

[themissus]

C**K, bum, poo, shit, wee!!! I read this thread last night and thought woo hoo problem sorted. Now this, that's hard luck:bawl:
I was waiting at the servo in the ute the other day and had a chick in a shit box reverse up from the next line of bowsers. I though she had me for sure, a blast on horn woke her up:rofl:
Hope you get it all sorted soon.
Cheers Kim

[dgp]

My car makes that same noise, to be honest i thought it was normal!
Bloody glad it isn't. What did the tech do to fix the problem permanently?

[chillicatqld]

Hey VYSS370.
I have not had it repaired yet.
The lad that found it at Holden (legend) has spoken to the engineers and there is no known fix! He is getting me to book it in and he is confident that he will be able to fix it somehow(?)
I will post what he has done when I get it into them to look at..... Looks like it is getting some panel beating done first :(

PS: VYSS370 - youre name isnt Dean is it?

[dgp]

Hey VYSS370.
I have not had it repaired yet.
The lad that found it at Holden (legend) has spoken to the engineers and there is no known fix! He is getting me to book it in and he is confident that he will be able to fix it somehow(?)
I will post what he has done when I get it into them to look at..... Looks like it is getting some panel beating done first :(

PS: VYSS370 - youre name isnt Dean is it?

Thanks chillicatqld, would appreciate knowing what the fix is when you have it repaired.
No, the name's Dave.

[chillicatqld]

Too easy Dave. I thought you may have been my cousin. I am an ex Warrnambool lad.

Will post the fix on here when it is donemate... stay tuned!

[firie]

I am sure my car makes this same sound!!

I noticed on your video, you had some gauges on you center console LCD/radio display thingy!

How did you get those to come up? Is it only on newer models?

Cheers.

[chillicatqld]

I am sure my car makes this same sound!!

I noticed on your video, you had some gauges on you center console LCD/radio display thingy!

How did you get those to come up? Is it only on newer models?

Cheers.

It's an SSV mate... those gauges come standard.

[chillicatqld]

well the update...

after taking it to Holden and getting stuffed round for two days as the mechanic that diagnosed it "had to go home" , thus not working on my car, to then taking it back yesterday to get the old "well we can't fix it, as there is no official Holden fix!!" Holden have recognised there is a problem in the model with this noise in the fuel line, but they have no fix yet!

So I go pick up my vehicle, only to find they didnt fix the problem, but managed to wreck the damn "cardboard" blocker that is front of the firewall for me!! Awesome.
Drive back there and show service manager who says "we can fix it by trimming it, or put in a new one for you" Holy crap... are these crew for real!!

It was lucky though as whilst I was looking at their damage I found a problem with my brake booster hose, and I think all with VE's should check theirs out.... My wiper arm has been grinding on my brake booster hose and is almost down to the mesh inside!! It seems my hose does a loop out the top of the booster box, I think they have updated these hoses... so anyway they are getting me that also when they fix the other stuffup.


But, the resolve it seems to my "woop woop" noise is that now I know what it is I am going to have to modify some kind of bracket to hold the fuel line tight so it stops the noise. May just take it to PT to rig something up.

I tell ya after Holden fix that firewall screen and put in my new hose they will not be getting another look at this car!... oh unless that is that my sump does not stop leaking after they have tightened it. I tell you I dread getting my car back if they have to drop the K-frame out of it to fix the sump!!!


On a good note... Got my car back after the old prick reversed into me. Awesome job by panel beaters... cannot tell they have been there.... I also took the opportunity to paint my rims black.... WOW is all I can say.
Anyone need an awesome panel beaters on Gold Coast.... Stephen Goodall Panels is ya man.

[VX2VESS]

Bugger didn't work out.........

maybe a new hose rail setup or get one of those mobile pressure hose ppl to look at it

[chillicatqld]

anyone have any ideas out there as to how you could apply some kind of clamp with slight pressure on the fuel line?

A photo of the line is on post #38

[Podge]

i had a different problem but got the "they all make that noise" so i asked the service manager who told me this to take me out and choose any car on the lot and if any of them make the same noise i will drop the issue.... i got a lot of errs and ummms and then "well obviously i dont have time now"

i asked him to book a time and i will be there to hear this noise on any other VE SS manual (or auto for that matter)... he wouldnt take me up on the offer

i suggest you try the same thing, the look on the service managers face will be priceless

[chillicatqld]

i had a different problem but got the "they all make that noise" so i asked the service manager who told me this to take me out and choose any car on the lot and if any of them make the same noise i will drop the issue.... i got a lot of errs and ummms and then "well obviously i dont have time now"

i asked him to book a time and i will be there to hear this noise on any other VE SS manual (or auto for that matter)... he wouldnt take me up on the offer

i suggest you try the same thing, the look on the service managers face will be priceless



Podge... see my post #18. :smilesandbanana:

[ILLUSIV1]

anyone have any ideas out there as to how you could apply some kind of clamp with slight pressure on the fuel line?

A photo of the line is on post #38
Have you tried a cable tie to the galvanised looking tube behind the trim. Not sure what it is as I don't have a VE. Doesn't have to be tight, just firm.

[chillicatqld]

anyone give me who I would contact at Holden when I want to go higher than my local dealers for a complaint?

[HEXEM]

anyone give me who I would contact at Holden when I want to go higher than my local dealers for a complaint?

As I understand it to escalate issues relating to dealers, service etc, you need to go through Holden Customer Assistance. I personally wouldn't waste my time there..

One thing you could try though is replacing the high pressure fuel line with a new one (to see if its any better) as sometimes its just a part thing... this is all dependant on how much the part costs and to fit it.

Or is one of the forum sponsors have replacement (braided) fuel lines that would suit the standard fuel rail.

I am not to sure but might be worth a shot.... I can understand your frustration... I am about to get out of my SSV and go back to the V6 or even another brand of car... Getting tired of the same crap.... I guess I don't have much luck when it comes to cars (well atleast Holdens)

Cheers

Phil

[chillicatqld]

I am over it.... getting PT to find a fix for me.... !!
Holden shit me to tears!

Got a 10mnth old $55K vehicle that:
1) Has a noise that sounds like a diesel.
2) Scrubbed out a set of $700 each tyres in 11,000klms
3) has a leaking sump
4) has a clutch like a 4cyl Astra

.....other than that I luv the car!! :)

[RB30-POWER]

sounds like it needs a fuel damper on it, many manufacturers use one either at rear of car or up at the engine feed fuel line to dampen the fuel pump and fuel injector pulsations.

they do not restrict flow by any significant amount and i fail to see why one could not be implemented on this car/engine even with the returnless system.

it will no doubt have one in the tank (well you would hope) but not to say it's enough or maybe it's not faulty.

i'm familiar with skylines etc but look at even the old commodore six, the damper is on the inlet line at the fuel rail.

you just need to remove the pulsations.

you can often roll a fuel line up in a circle a couple of times to act as a damper also.

[chillicatqld]

Great info RB30... thanks.
Will pas this suggestion onto PT when I take it in for a fix.

cheers

[HEXEM]

Great info RB30... thanks.
Will pas this suggestion onto PT when I take it in for a fix.

cheers


Chilli,

Mate how did you get on with your issue? Its been a little while and thought I'd ask...

Cheers
Phil

[chillicatqld]

Got no-where with Holden. PowerTorque are currently making a filter line to go in. Hoping to put it in next week.
Will keep you informed and let you (the forum also) know the outcome... fingers crossed.

[HEXEM]

Got no-where with Holden. PowerTorque are currently making a filter line to go in. Hoping to put it in next week.
Will keep you informed and let you (the forum also) know the outcome... fingers crossed.

Thanks for the update. I might make some calls and see if that particular fuel line has been upgraded (change in part numbers).

Cheers
Phil

[chillicatqld]

doubt it mate. Holden know about the problem... but have no official fix for it!

[chillicatqld]

Well I finally got back to fill in the blanks...
I had PowerTorque fit an auxilliary (?) fuel filter just before the injector rail... has made a huge difference and taken the majority of the noise away.
It seems it is vacuum pressure in the fuel line that causes the noise.

Thanks once again PowerTorque.